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One of the best Martial Arts, particularly for street fighting, you can learn is called the 'Pikey Shuffle with the Iron Fists', as practised by Bartley Gorman :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartley_Gorman

I had a local Pikey lass after me once I knew through a few lads from the Pikey community I am friends with. A stunner and I was puzzled why she was after a ugly big eejit like me. Seems that one of her six brothers was the Provincial bare knuckle fighting champion, and the other 5 brothers were no wimps either. Even all the local Pikey lads were scared to go near her, so she decided to look outside the community for a bit of 'Mutah'. Thankfully one of my Pikey mates warned me before things got too friendly between me and her :o

I've been doing lots of different martials arts, weight lifting and boxing since I was in my early teens, so 20 odd years now, but no women is worth facing a Pikey bare knuckle fighting champion ( and probably the other 5 brothers also if I got a lucky punch on him ) :D

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One of the best Martial Arts, particularly for street fighting, you can learn is called the 'Pikey Shuffle with the Iron Fists', as practised by Bartley Gorman :D

just looked him up on the youtube....what a warrior!!!

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bro is muay thai better than krav maga?

nope....but ive been to the krav maga centre which is about an hour away from where i live, and the trainer is a chocolate teapot, its a waste of time n petrol going there. id travel that far if the teacher was good though.

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just looked him up on the youtube....what a warrior!!!

If you get a chance to read his biography 'King of the Gypsies', its a great read. One of my Pikey friends Uncles seen him fight a few times, and said the man was a machine. He had fists as hard as sledgehammers and could probably take a hit from a sledgehammer and still get up and come back at you. Going unbeaten that long in one of the most hardest bare-knuckle fighting sports is no mean feat.

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^^ absolutely, ive only ever come across pikeys and gypsys twice, both at the factory that i used to work, they kept stealing all the discarded s[Edited Out] metals from the metal bins to sell on, and there used to be a field near to the factory where they kept their caravans, i used to visit them and ask for materials i needed, er, second hand they would get them for me for 1/10th of the price lol. wouldnt even think about fighting one theyre like bengalis....one stands in front of you and his whole tribe attacks you from the back lol

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I think the objective in martial arts is SPEED ..

Speed is achieved through flexibility combined with strength .. Kind of like the deadliness of bullets being in their speed.

Timing, rhythm n flow are vital for successful for successful attack/defense .. This is controlled by heart beat, which is controlled by breath which is controlled by mind/spirit/psyche/soul.

Also alteration btw soft and hard

A trivia question to all Shia ahlalbayt: where does the "energy" come from in a strike? Easy question.

I think this topic should be moved to health section .. As martial arts is not really a typical sport .. It's more of a warriors way of life .. With the competition being real life situations ..

Also if we learn how to hurt people, we automatically learn how to heal .. All about meridians, energy systems n easy flow ..

Salam

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A trivia question to all Shia ahlalbayt: where does the "energy" come from in a strike? Easy question.

the hips and your connection to the ground? somehow my strikes are harder if i start at my legs and the explosion travels up my body into my limbs as i twist

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I knew somebody here would get that .. The only ppl smarter than Jews ( in my opinion ) are the lovely Shia Ali subhan Allah.

Energy comes from the ground .. For example if we throw a strike with right arm. The energy comes from the ground .. Into the left foot .. (mainly .. About 70%) through the knees into hip gate .. Then amplified in center of gravity ( tan tien ) below naval area .. Then continues whipping (like butterfly) diagonally to the right shoulder gate .. To the shoulder joint .. Elbow .. Wrist .. Fingers .. Then at that point only tense and flex ( sting ) .. Then relax again . So the energy goes through the hand .. For instance into a ball, which then is charged with energy which turns into kinetic ( moving) energy ..

However, am 99% sure that there is also in parallel a heavenly (vs earthly) energy that flows from up down through our "crown chakra" through our body.

Next question for my dear brothers / sisters .. Am sure you all know that energy continuously flows in our bodies ( actually any body with mass has energy flow )

What path does this energy flow in our body exactly?

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I knew somebody here would get that .. The only ppl smarter than Jews ( in my opinion ) are the lovely Shia Ali subhan Allah.

Tell that to Manny Pacquiao ( a devout Roman Catholic ), who likely knows where the "energy" come from in a strike, as he is probably one of the hardest punchers for his bodyweigh in boxing at the moment, and I cant think of many former boxers of such light bodyweight that carried such punching power.

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It's not about the ability .. Like a gorilla can beat ur roman catholic person into smithereens .. It's about understanding the truth the science the mechanics .. The least important aspect of self defense studies is the physical manifestation .. Then come the mental then the moral / spiritual knowledge and execution .. They are all connected actually .. We can get a more flexible minds by making our physical body more flexible .. We can also work up-down and get a stronger body by having a stronger spirit / heart

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It's not about the ability .. Like a can beat ur roman catholic person into smithereens .. It's about understanding the truth the science the mechanics .. The least important aspegorilla ct of self defense studies is the physical manifestation .. Then come the mental then the moral / spiritual knowledge and execution .. They are all connected actually .. We can get a more flexible minds by making our physical body more flexible .. We can also work up-down and get a stronger body by having a stronger spirit / heart

I disagree, go and face Manny Pacquiao in the ring with your moral / spiritual knowledge and see how long you last. It will probably end up giving you spiritual knowledge, because you would be meeting Allah very quickly. The mechanics and science ( training, nutrition etc.. ) of fighting, and having a fighters heart are most important. Moral / spiritual knowledge may help you as a person, but will not help you much in the ring!!

What Moral / spiritual knowledge does a gorilla have, yet one would beat you to bits in a fight!!. You answered your own question!!

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No u misunderstood .. You don't even know me or my background skill level etc .. Yet u judge and predict a situation that most likely won't happen .. And am not talking about myself .. Talking about a gorilla silverback who no barehanded human can take on.

Another misunderstanding of yours is that I said that the spiritual mental and physical "knowledge" abilities skills and knowledge are connected. For instance .. People who have higher mental focus abilities will be able to break more bricks and transfer more energy.

And let me tell you something else .. No matter how fit ur fighter currently is .. A simple strike ( maybe a 4 pounds one ) into his chin, or a quick precise kick to his knees .. Will make him incapable of fighting anymore .. No matter how much he trains .. He's Human .. Also you can defeat people with eye contact alone, stun them with a battle cry, or drain them with our tongue .. Words .. That is mental fighting ..

Then there are angels who can do the jib fir us as we watch in an infinite ways .. All kinds of angels .. Let's say if u have a buddy poltergeist jinn supporting me in the ring ( hypothetically) then that's also a good weapon that not many humans can resist. Martial arts and sciences is not about competition and fake ring environments .. It's for personal development, improvement and real life situations. It is to humble us and NOT for roman gladiator style mentalities ..

I respect people who fight in rings professionally and want to be gladiator heroes .. It's just not very realistic and not very Islamic ... But personally organize MMA fights and Muay Thai competitions .. Just isn't my cup of tea .. Personally .. Am saving it for the real world

Btw .. Read my entry again .. And a word hit deleted by accident .. I meant to write a "gorilla" can annihilate any human .. Even a chimp is several times stronger than any Human .. Due to their stronger bone structure, which the muscles are connected to .. So wasn't referring to myself .. I know that all victories among humans are on Gods hands .. Even a little girl can kill me if God so wills it

Peace

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Another misunderstanding of yours is that I said that the spiritual mental and physical "knowledge" abilities skills and knowledge are connected. For instance .. People who have higher mental focus abilities will be able to break more bricks and transfer more energy.

Mental focus is different to spiritual knowledge. An atheist can apply mental focus to break bricks.

And let me tell you something else .. No matter how fit ur fighter currently is .. A simple strike ( maybe a 4 pounds one ) into his chin, or a quick precise kick to his knees .. Will make him incapable of fighting anymore .. No matter how much he trains .. He's Human .. Also you can defeat people with eye contact alone, stun them with a battle cry, or drain them with our tongue .. Words .. That is mental fighting ..

If the fighter is good, his chin will be moving, or guarded by two fists, one or both of which may be heading towards your chin also. Likewise for the knee, especially if he is a Thai boxer. It will probably be making contact with your chin whilst you were still getting ready to kick it. Fighting is real life is different to books and theory

Then there are angels who can do the jib fir us as we watch in an infinite ways .. All kinds of angels .. Let's say if u have a buddy poltergeist jinn supporting me in the ring ( hypothetically) then that's also a good weapon that not many humans can resist.

:wacko:

Martial arts and sciences is not about competition and fake ring environments .. It's for personal development, improvement and real life situations. It is to humble us and NOT for roman gladiator style mentalities ..

It can be about both, and usually is.

I respect people who fight in rings professionally and want to be gladiator heroes .. It's just not very realistic and not very Islamic ... But personally organize MMA fights and Muay Thai competitions .. Just isn't my cup of tea .. Personally .. Am saving it for the real world

Probably for the best by the sounds of it. If you change my mind, take out a good BUPA health insurance scheme :D

Peace

War :)

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Well Mr. Irishman I can understand ur promoting your fellow catholic fighter and am sure he's good at it like millions of other people.

And there is a difference between the spiritual and the conscious mind of course .. Especially in real life. And if ur a believer in God then you'll surely agree that all victory lies in Gods will. It's impossible to say with any certainty how a fight with your friend and me would work (God forbid) .. That reminds me of the conversations I used to have with my friends when i was an infant.

Point if this topic is not to intimidate you or me or anybody .. Its educational in the name of our God.

And concerning styles: best one studies all of them and not to win a belt and have people applause us in ring .. A rush fir the ego. The aim in advanced real martial arts us actually not to fight .. And reserve the wrath for life/death self and others defense .. Innocent people .. Remember also in the real world any object can be a weapon .. Plus the fastest runner and jumper has a giant advantage in the real life .. I refuse to hurt people anywhere .. Including ring .. When they did nothing wrong to me ..

I am not posting here to say how cool I am or how much I can kick a** .. I am posting here to help the division of the prophets family, with whatever little I can. It's more for spiritual reasons :)

Peace! :)

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Well Mr. Irishman I can understand ur promoting your fellow catholic fighter and am sure he's good at it like millions of other people.

Unlike millions of other people, Manny Pacquiao IS rated as the BEST pound for pound boxer currently. So its not just my opinion, unlike your opinion Quote "The only ppl smarter than Jews ( in my opinion ) are the lovely Shia Ali subhan Allah."

I'm glad you think so highly of Jews btw, its an uncommon Muslim trait it has to be said.

And there is a difference between the spiritual and the conscious mind of course .. Especially in real life. And if ur a believer in God then you'll surely agree that all victory lies in Gods will. It's impossible to say with any certainty how a fight with your friend and me would work (God forbid) .. That reminds me of the conversations I used to have with my friends when i was an infant.

Well I guess God must love Manny Pacquiao more than Muslim boxers then?

Point if this topic is not to intimidate you or me or anybody .. Its educational in the name of our God.

No, you are trying to say Jews and Shia's are more smarter than people of other religions. If you are trying to apply it to ability to understand how to "strike", well in boxing in particular, you will probably find that nearly all world champions currently ( except Khan, and maybe one or two more ) are non-Muslim and non-Jewish, and usually South American/US./European/Cuban Christians.

And concerning styles: best one studies all of them and not to win a belt and have people applause us in ring .. A rush fir the ego. The aim in advanced real martial arts us actually not to fight .. And reserve the wrath for life/death self and others defense .. Innocent people .. Remember also in the real world any object can be a weapon .. Plus the fastest runner and jumper has a giant advantage in the real life .. I refuse to hurt people anywhere .. Including ring .. When they did nothing wrong to me ..

Lack of fighting experience will be evident when you need to fight, and if you face a same level, but ring experienced fighter, he will beat you.

I am not posting here to say how cool I am or how much I can kick a** .. I am posting here to help the division of the prophets family, with whatever little I can. It's more for spiritual reasons :)

Peace! :)

You seemed to post in a Martial Arts topic to try and make out you are smarter than people of other religions, and understand how to strike better, yet you wont go into a ring to prove it.

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It has nothing to do with islam .. Our prophet told us to learn all the way to china .. So I learned this stuff from daoist and budhhist among many other religions with truth. Let me tell you one thing .. The best fighters in the world stay away from being a lord if the ring .. They don't like the limelight .. God knows and God chooses whom to give what powers. And let's all give praise to the Lord before all of us return to dust .. Back to God.

Peace Brother Irish Man

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It has nothing to do with islam .. Our prophet told us to learn all the way to china .. So I learned this stuff from daoist and budhhist among many other religions with truth. Let me tell you one thing .. The best fighters in the world stay away from being a lord if the ring .. They don't like the limelight .. God knows and God chooses whom to give what powers. And let's all give praise to the Lord before all of us return to dust .. Back to God.

Peace Brother Irish Man

How can they know they are the best if they have not fought the other 'best' fighters?. I guess Manny Pacquiao is actually no longer the best pound for pound boxer in the world then. I am, and I dont need to get into the ring with him to prove it :D

I'll start phoning the newspapers and Ring magazine and let them know :lol:

Anyhow, being serious. Each to their own I guess. I believe that fighting against other trained fighters, in a ring environment, with a ref around to stop someone's head being punched after they are already knocked out, or no longer capable of defending themselves, if a healthy way of learning to improve fighting skills.

If other people want to learn the 'theory or spiritual side' of fighting, well that is their choice. But if they want to claim to be the best fighter, they should be prepared to back up those words with actions.

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:D Am flattered brother,

Almost feel like doing it .. Was tempted b4 and backed out of a K1 pro competition in emritaes 2 weeks b4 the fight ..

I see it as a respectable career and have plenty of friends who chose this pathb.. However i prefer making a living differently :D

So I never said that the best fighters are aware of their quality. I said Allah knows best .. Or along this line :)

And it's not about that .. I care more about others than myself anyway .. I believe a little boy can kick my a** if God so has written.

This topic needs to be moved to health and fitness section so people only compete with themselves .. Be masters of the self .. Sayed el nfs

The point in life is to become better than we were .. Not look at others and judge n compare ..

We die alone, so better face yourself and think of God and ask Him to make us stronger men

Salam to everyone, please let's be artistic fun and light about this topic .. Academic and sharing knowledge ..

Peace live love in God

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Anyhow, being serious. Each to their own I guess. I believe that fighting against other trained fighters, in a ring environment, with a ref around to stop someone's head being punched after they are already knocked out, or no longer capable of defending themselves, if a healthy way of learning to improve fighting skills.

If other people want to learn the 'theory or spiritual side' of fighting, well that is their choice. But if they want to claim to be the best fighter, they should be prepared to back up those words with actions.

we are in agreement; i studied supposed kung fu and realised it was little more than gymnastics. the only kung fu i think is useful is wing tzun sticky hands, but i guess im biased.

this is what attracted me to muay that, sure you have the culture and the tradition and the pomp and ceremony, but man it teaches you to ANNHIALATE your opponent. get in the ring and smash every hard part of your body into every soft part of his before he does the same to you.

this is why very few amateurs make it in professional boxing...they are so used to trying to land points when they get in the ring and get hit HARD and REPEATEDLY they crumble.

theory is fine, but if you want to learn how to fight then...learn how to fight. dont sit in a classroom writting essays on "why the mantis position overcomes the tiger"

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Yes exactly .. Sparring is the best way to test our skills .. It's fun, mostly harmless (although accidents can happen) .. And when we realize how many options we potentially have in a hypothetical fight .. Infinite .. Then we stop trying to compare ourselves .. Except an innate feeling of temporary superiority .. Being ready and feeling strong ..

Wing chub was developed originally by a lady who went and trained at shaolin temple, and she was upset that this extreme northern, long, hard style is only suitable for super-fit men .. So she got frustrated after losing hope and moved on to develop a style which aims at having a weak opponent being able to defeat a stronger one .. Ex: woman vs. Man.

So wing chun has very easy high stances .. Not many complications .. And very effective .

She focused on idea of intercepting fist and straight lines .. So wing chun has among the highest frequency of punches per second. Legs are only used for lower body attacks .. Of course there is sticky hands etc. Bruce Lee's (xiao lo .. Little dragon) style is originally wing chun. He went on to make his own version called jet kun do ., which essentially means way of intersecting fist ..

Concerning the intercepting fist : it is along principle of attack is best defense .. The strike us used as a block or potential strike .. N if u miss it's ok .. There is another one coming up in 0.001 seconds .. And another .. So on ..

Wing chun is the most commercial and accessible branch of Chinese martial arts .. Kind of like McDonalds of martial arts .. But very good to know .. And excellent to become potential fighter in fastest way possible. Problem is that most people who study wing chun are bullies with inferiority complexes .. So they need to stroke their egos every day in training and prove they're the best .. Therefore I hardly entered any wing chun schools. They challenge me all the time!!!

Bruce lee's master is called yip man & he's the modern grandmaster legend of this style ..

Anyway .. It's an art .. Personal .. Each man chided his own style direction and stuff ..

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Walaykum asalam

Street fights are real life situations

Life is a giant test .. Every situation is a test .. And martial arts is mainly for health reasons .. Good for flexibility and good circulation ..

Allahu Akbar

Edited by Philip

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lool! yea but i dont like beating ppl up :(

no of course not .. it's all about hitting & kicking pads, bags .. imaginary fighters .. lool :) and when u target moving people who hit back, then of course you'll take it easy on each other right ???

BEST MARTIAL ART OUT THERE SHAOLIN MONKS!

i think so too .. they have the greatest

variety

discipline

physical education

flexibility

speed

etc

etc

i think anybody searching shaolin videos wont find any more fit people on earth .. fit-for-fight .. when i lived with them, they were super nice and have a history much like shia .. always "rebellious" against oppressive people .. that's y the shaolin temple was burnt down like 5 times and exterminated .. with a handful of monks surviving .. i love them honestly .. they're really nice

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no of course not .. it's all about hitting & kicking pads, bags .. imaginary fighters .. lool :) and when u target moving people who hit back, then of course you'll take it easy on each other right ???

i think so too .. they have the greatest

variety

discipline

physical education

flexibility

speed

etc

etc

i think anybody searching shaolin videos wont find any more fit people on earth .. fit-for-fight .. when i lived with them, they were super nice and have a history much like shia .. always "rebellious" against oppressive people .. that's y the shaolin temple was burnt down like 5 times and exterminated .. with a handful of monks surviving .. i love them honestly .. they're really nice

so u are from china? did u train with them?</p>

u are soo lucky

i know there is a sholin monk training camp in canada but i think it requires u to become a Buddhist

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so u are from china? did u train with them?</p>

u are soo lucky

i know there is a sholin monk training camp in canada but i think it requires u to become a Buddhist

:) no im not from china .. i just went there to train kung fu .. they knew i was muslim and i prayed in front of them .. i felt they respected my religion and respected me as a foreigner as well .

i think there are shaolin schools all over the world now .. just go watch and observe before joining, to make sure it's your cup of tea ..

and of course there are many many other very effective martial arts as well that maybe suit you too .. it's an art i believe

(salam)

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