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Sorry about that bro. Can you read Arabic? If so, here's Sayyid Ja`far Murtada `Amuli's analysis of it.

http://mezan.net/sayed_jaafar/s-j-b/bayan.htm

Basically it's a recent book that contains a number of supposed narrations containing specific predictions, but which are not found in our actual books of hadith, and which bear the hallmarks of something made up in contemporary times (e.g. words used in them)..

thanks for the link.to be honest,i did not bother to read or continue reading after i read the first line:

قبل كل شيء، أقول: إنني لا أتهم مؤلف كتاب: «بيان الأئمة». بأنه هو الذي وضع الأخبار، ونسبها إلى المعصومين.

the Sayyid refuting the book is simply saying that he is not accusing the compiler of the book to have forged hadiths or attributed lies to the Imams (as).but that it is possible that he may have collected false narrations by fabricators.so let us say like all hadiths books,the hadiths contained in the book can either be proven true or false.so it is still left for us to treat each hadith individually.

we should be able to know when the book was compiled and the hadiths collected.

let me tell you what i think:if the book was compiled before 1978 or before Imam Sadr was kidnapped,then i have no doubt to say that the particular hadith in question is true and we will soon have the Imam home.it is incredible to just read a prophecy that a sayyed will be kidnapped in the lands of the maghreb and that became true.if the first part was true then the second too must be.

so please tell us the date this book was compiled and by who.thanks.

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Wow, I didn't know Imam Musa Sadr's daughter could speak such beautiful Farsi.

Anyway she is saying:

There have been recent confirmations of reports of Imam being alive in the prisons of Ghadhafi. For 33 years -- 33 years -- we have cried out that Imam is in Ghadhafi's prisons, but hundreds of Libyans had to be killed in order for officials to believe us. Imam Musa Sadr is alive. All of the reports that have been coming in have confirmed that he is alive and well. And all evidence -- whether rational, shar'i, or physical -- points to him being alive in a Libyan prison. It was in the year 2002 that in the ceremonies for Libya's national holiday, when Ghadhafi himself admitted to Imam being alive, thus invalidating all of his previous statements on this issue.

Sorry if it's bad, I just did a quickie translation. Didn't read through it.

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Wow, I didn't know Imam Musa Sadr's daughter could speak such beautiful Farsi.

Anyway she is saying:

There have been recent confirmations of reports of Imam being alive in the prisons of Ghadhafi. For 33 years -- 33 years -- we have cried out that Imam is in Ghadhafi's prisons, but hundreds of Libyans had to be killed in order for officials to believe us. Imam Musa Sadr is alive. All of the reports that have been coming in have confirmed that he is alive and well. And all evidence -- whether rational, shar'i, or physical -- points to him being alive in a Libyan prison. It was in the year 2002 that in the ceremonies for Libya's national holiday, when Ghadhafi himself admitted to Imam being alive, thus invalidating all of his previous statements on this issue.

Sorry if it's bad, I just did a quickie translation. Didn't read through it.

^ Thanks bro :) Something to be hopeful about.

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130 Libyan soldiers executed for not following orders

http://presstv.com/detail/166757.html

Thu Feb 24, 2011

130 Libyan soldiers have been executed for refusing to open fire on pro-democracy protesters, International Federation for Human Rights says.

An amateur video footage shows the slain soldiers with their hands tied behind their backs.

This comes as there are more reports of defiance among army ranks and soldiers who have refused to obey orders by embattled Muammar Gaddafi to shoot peaceful protesters.

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Wow, I didn't know Imam Musa Sadr's daughter could speak such beautiful Farsi.

Anyway she is saying:

There have been recent confirmations of reports of Imam being alive in the prisons of Ghadhafi. For 33 years -- 33 years -- we have cried out that Imam is in Ghadhafi's prisons, but hundreds of Libyans had to be killed in order for officials to believe us. Imam Musa Sadr is alive. All of the reports that have been coming in have confirmed that he is alive and well. And all evidence -- whether rational, shar'i, or physical -- points to him being alive in a Libyan prison. It was in the year 2002 that in the ceremonies for Libya's national holiday, when Ghadhafi himself admitted to Imam being alive, thus invalidating all of his previous statements on this issue.

Sorry if it's bad, I just did a quickie translation. Didn't read through it.

The family is from Iran, and Sayed Musa him self spoke arabic with a Farsi accent. His brother Ayatullah Redha Sadr was living in qum most of his life and died a few years ago, but what most people do not know is that his brother had very bad relations with the government. He even wrote a book called "Dar Zindane Vilayat Al Faqih" - In the prison of Wilayat al Faqih. They (the sadr family) were very close to Sayed Shariatmadari, and his brother believed that he and qutbzadeh were falsely accused of attempting to assassinate and he became very bitter to the government. In fact he (as well as others) tried to have a funeral for shariatmadari in qum but were prevented, and he (Reza Sadr) claims he was supposed to enact Shariatmadari's will but was prevented from doing so, through out his life Sayed Reza Sadr complained of being constantly harassed by the government.

Now that there is allot of talk about the sayed possibly being alive and returning, many people are wondering how he will react to what happened with his brother and late family friend shariatmadari.

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Although I am usually skeptical about such things, I will post this any way (Allah knows best if it is true)

http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8912040885

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^Fars news claiming a man named Muhamad Ali Muhtadi asked the late Shaikh Bahjat several years ago about Sayed Musa Sadr, to which shaikh bahjat stated that sayed sadr was alive and that he had a very special blessing from Allah bestowed on him, and that he would return and have a big impact on the region.

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This is according from Mohammad Ali Mohtadi, a Middle East expert, concerning Musa Al-Sadr. The source is in Swedish, but a simple Google translate did its job.

"According to Fars news agency the now-deceased visionary and mystic Ayatollah B...ahjat Foumani considered the then trace missing opposition leader Imam Sayyid Musa Sadr as "God's reserved access on the earth" to come to have an influential impact on the region in the future.

In an analysis of the in Libya abducted opposition leader Imam Musa Sadr pointed Middle East expert, Mohammad Ali Mohtadi of various witnesses that the imam is alive. "At a meeting several years ago with Ayatollah Bahjat, I asked him specifically about Imam Musa Sadr's position, and he replied that he is alive," said Mohtadi.

He added: "Ayatollah Bahjat confirmed that Imam Musa Sadr would return one day and reiterated that he is' God reserved access" and that God has plans for him on his return and will be a very important role in the region. "

Source: http://dagsbladet.se/index.php/mellanoestern/2768-ayatollah-bahjat-qimam-musa-sadr-aer-vid-livq

Farsi source: http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8912040885

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Subhanallah brother

thanks for posting this hadith

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Salam wa rahmatullah

This is according from Mohammad Ali Mohtadi, a Middle East expert, concerning Musa Al-Sadr. The source is in Swedish, but a simple Google translate did its job.

"According to Fars news agency the now-deceased visionary and mystic Ayatollah B...ahjat Foumani considered the then trace missing opposition leader Imam Sayyid Musa Sadr as "God's reserved access on the earth" to come to have an influential impact on the region in the future.

In an analysis of the in Libya abducted opposition leader Imam Musa Sadr pointed Middle East expert, Mohammad Ali Mohtadi of various witnesses that the imam is alive. "At a meeting several years ago with Ayatollah Bahjat, I asked him specifically about Imam Musa Sadr's position, and he replied that he is alive," said Mohtadi.

He added: "Ayatollah Bahjat confirmed that Imam Musa Sadr would return one day and reiterated that he is' God reserved access" and that God has plans for him on his return and will be a very important role in the region. "

Source: http://dagsbladet.se/index.php/mellanoestern/2768-ayatollah-bahjat-qimam-musa-sadr-aer-vid-livq

Farsi source: http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8912040885

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Thank you for posting that in English. Sometimes Google translate is not so bad. I ask a relative all the time if he has seen any news about Imam Musa Sadr and he said no. But after maghrib prayer tonight, he said he saw this on a Farsi website and told me about it. InshaAllah we get good news soon! Ya Allah!

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Although I am usually skeptical about such things, I will post this any way (Allah knows best if it is true)

http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8912040885

^Fars news claiming a man named Muhamad Ali Muhtadi asked the late Shaikh Bahjat several years ago about Sayed Musa Sadr, to which shaikh bahjat stated that sayed sadr was alive and that he had a very special blessing from Allah bestowed on him, and that he would return and have a big impact on the region.

INSHALLAH.

I choose to have HOPE instead of condescending skepticism that plagues this forum.

Inshallah Imam is alive, and free soon.

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2011/02/13

Though Imam Musa Sadr does not have a written Quranic work, his life was a Quranic one, said Hojat-ol-Islam Mohammad Reza Nurollahian, an advisor to the Supreme Leader’s Office.

(Ahlul Bayt News Agency) - He stressed that there are numerous examples in Imam Musa Sadr’s life demonstrating the role of the Noble Quran in his successes and achievements.

Many prominent figures are known for their Quranic activities through their works and their disciples. For instance, Allameh Balaghi who wrote the Ala Ar-Rahman Exegesis, Mirza Javad Agha Tehrani with his Quran exegesis as well as grand Ayatollah Khoee, grand Ayatollah Sabzevari, and Grand Ayatollah Sobhani, he noted.

“But Imam Musa Sadr’s Quranic character was manifested as a Muslim leader of the Arab world, especially in Lebanon, and also in the current status of the Islamic resistance movement, Hezbollah,” Hojat-ol-Islam Nurollahian stated. “He interpreted the Quran through his life, and let the teachings of the Quran enter his soul and existence.

“Musa Sadr was born into a Quranic family, that of grand Ayatollah Sayyed Sadreddin Sadr, a family you can regard as the most Quranic one among the families of scholars and sources of emulation. All members of the Sadr family strived for promotion and development of Quranic teachings and did great services in this field.”

Elsewhere in his remarks, Hojat-ol-Islam Nurollahian referred to Imam Musa Sadr’s Hijra (migration) from Iran to Lebanon as a Quranic Hijra.

“He was a student of law at the University of Tehran and at the same time a Mujtahid (Islamic scholar) at Qom seminary. He was a man whose life was based on the teachings of Quran. He embarked on his Hijra to Lebanon based on these very teachings, based on Quranic verses about peace, war, defending the oppressed, justice, and resistance against oppressors.”

Elsewhere in his remarks, Hojat-ol-Islam Nurollahian said that Imam Musa Sadr, due to his spiritual growth based on Quranic teachings, created a huge movement in the Middle East and became known to the world as an exceptional leader. “His leadership brought about social developments and great political phenomena like resistance against Zionism and creation of Islamic Amal Movement.

“Inspired by the teachings of the Holy Book, he stressed the importance of Islamic unity and proximity and made a lot of endeavors to promote Islamic unity. Whenever asked about his achievement in strengthening unity in Lebanon, he would say he was encouraged by the verse ‘And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves’ (Holy Quran, 3:103).”

Hojat-ol-Islam Nurollahian also referred to Imam Musa Sadr’s role in promotion of the status of Shia Muslims in Lebanon and said today many of influential scientists and scholars in the fields of Islamic teachings, medicine, law, and industry are Shias thanks to Imam Musa Sadr’s endeavors.

Source: http://abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&id=225885

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the family of Imam Sadr is calling upon those who love the Imam both within and outside Libya to make effort to free the Imam.the family does have information that the Imam is still alive.his daughter,this time speaking in arabic to almanar said there is big hope that the Imam is still alive.(paraphrasing from almanar tv news 24/02/2011)

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On 2/24/2011 at 3:54 AM, mehdi soldier said:

the family of Imam Sadr is calling upon those who love the Imam both within and outside Libya to make effort to free the Imam.the family does have information that the Imam is still alive.his daughter,this time speaking in arabic to almanar said there is big hope that the Imam is still alive.(paraphrasing from almanar tv news 24/02/2011)

Salams to all,

I would like to hope that Sayyid Musa Sadr is still alive, but we have to be realistic. We know, and now the whole world knows what a brutal thug and a monster Khadafi(la) is. If Khadafi was the one who kidnapped him, I think it is highly improbable he would still be alive. Of course, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) can do absolutely anything, so he could have been kept alive by some sort of miracle, but I don't think we should expect this and assume that it is true. If he is alive, and is being held by Khadafi, then we will know soon since his regime is collapsing very fast at this point. The brothers should be able to get into anywhere in Libya now so if there is solid reports, I'm sure that they are searching high and low and will find him if he is there. Surely we should ask Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) in our Duas to bring this great man and great Alim back to us so that we can benefit from his guidance.

I agree that if he is alive and returns to Lebanon, it will be equivalent to Imam Khomeni returning to Iran, or maybe more than this. Words are inadequate to express the attachment the Shia

in Lebanon (and other Shia who know the value of the great man) and even the non Shia have to him. It will be a game changer for sure.

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Salams,

I have been googling this story for the past few days. It seems like there are a few Libyan (probably former now) Army officers who claim that Sayyid Musa Sadr is in the prison in Sabha. The other reports, like the one from Shia news and Al Alim, and here on Shiachat are all quoting from the same source. Since it seems that this is an isolated, single source, I don't know how credible it is. If he was in fact there, you would be hearing from multiple sources since some knowledge of this magnitude would be hard to keep hidden, at this point. So unless we start hearing this from multiple source (that he is in the prison at Sabha), I am going to assume this is an isolated claim. Also, it is possible that the CIA or Mossad went in and grabbed him, which is very disappointing but very possible since we know that Khadafi works hand to hand with these Kuffar groups.

I am not saying that the claim is false, but as of right now, there is little evidence to back up this claim. InshahAllah, Someone will take out Khadafi or he will kill himself soon and then we will see what is really the case with this.

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NOTE:I DO NOT NECESSARILY AGREE WITH ALL WRITTEN IN THE BELOW ARTICLE:

Shiite leader missing since 1978 during official visit

Mousa al-Sadr alive in Libyan prison: sources

DUBAI (Saud al-Zahed), BEIRUT (Elia Jazaeri)

As protests sweep Libya demanding the ouster of the regime and several accusations of human rights violations are directed at Muammar Gaddafi, the file of the disappearance of Mousa al-Sadr has started coming to the forefront once more with sources telling AlArabiya.net that the Shiite imam is alive in a Libyan prison.

Sources close of the family of Iranian-born Lebanese Islamic thinker and religious leader Sadr told AlArabiya.net they received information that he is alive and detained in a Libyan prison.

The family, according to the sources, is exerting its utmost effort to make sure this information is correct and in order to release Sadr and take him to Lebanon where a committee is to be formed to receive him when he lands in the capital Beirut.

During the search AlArabiya.net conducted in order to obtain more information on the destiny of the Shiite cleric, a source close to the Amal Movement, founded by Sadr in 1974 in Lebanon to address the grievances of the marginalized Shiites in Lebanon, said that several Libyan officers who fled to Egypt confirmed that they saw him in one of the prisons in Libya.

This drove Sadr’s family to form a fact finding committee to verify the information.

Sadr disappeared in August 1978 during an official visit to Libya, where he was accompanied by Sheikh Mohammed Yaacoub and head of the Lebanese news agency Abbas Badreddine. Nothing has been known of the three of them ever since.

The most widely-circulated rumor is that Gaddafi ordered Sadr’s killing even though the motives were not clear. The Libyan leader denied the charges and insisted that his three visitors departed for Italy after leaving Libya.

If Sadr comes back Sadr will be shocked to see what Hezbollah and the Amal Movement are currently doing in Lebanon

Iranian historian Alireza NourizadehAlireza Nourizadeh, historian and director of the Center for Arab and Iranian Studies, argued that it might be better for Sadr not to come back so that he will not be shocked at the current state of affairs in Iran.

“If he returns he will find out that his friend Sadegh Ghotbzadeh, the first director of the national radio and television in the Islamic republic, was executed and that the Shiite cleric Grand Ayatollah Shariatmadari was humiliated before his death,” he told AlArabiya.net.

“He will also discover that his octogenarian friend Dr. Ebrahim Yazdi is in jail and struggling with cancer, that Hashemi Rafsanjani is about to be expelled from the political scene, and that his dear friend Abulhassan Banisadr, the first president of the Islamic republic, is currently living in exile.”

On the Lebanese front, Nourizadeh added, Sadr is bound to receive another blow upon finding out that his disciple Sheikh Ali al-Amin was dismissed by Hezbollah from his position as the mufti of Tyre and Mount Amel.

“Sadr will be shocked to see what Hezbollah and the Amal Movement are currently doing in Lebanon.”

Nourizadeh explained that even though Musa al-Sadr was related by marriage to the family of the founder of the Islamic republic Ayatollah Khomeini, he has always disagreed with him over the Guardianship of the Jurist (Wilayat al-Faqih), a Shiite concept that gives a top cleric absolute authority.

Iran and Libya Suddenly Iran is acting as if it’s always been enemies with Libya even though they’ve been closest allies for the past three decades

Iranian historian Alireza NourizadehNourizadeh, who is a staunch critic of the regime inTehran lashed out at the Iranian government for its passive stance on Sadr’s disappearance, which he attributed to the strong strategic ties between Iran and Libya.

“The stance of the Shah’s regime on Sadr’s disappearance was much better than that of the Islamic regime. The Shah sent a delegation to Damascus and asked the late Syrian president Hafez al-Assad to help in finding out what happened to Sadr.”

Nourizadeh expressed his surprise that the Iranian Islamic regime that names its streets after controversial people, on top of whom is Islamist fundamentalist and assassin of late Egyptian president Anwar Sadat, did not think of doing the same with Musa al-Sadr.

“The government did not bother to even name a narrow alley after Musa al-Sadr because of the relations between Iran and Libya and because of Sadr’s stance on the guardianship issue.”

It is also surprising, Nourizadeh pointed out, how Iran changed its stance on Libya after the protests that called for the ouster of Gaddafi started.

“Suddenly Iran is acting as if it’s always been enemies with Libya even though they’ve been closest allies for the past three decades.”

Iran has earlier condemned the violent crackdown on protestors as “unacceptable” and called upon the international community to stop the bloodshed and protect the rightful demands of the Libyan people.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/02/23/138850.html

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I didn't know much about him, until about a week ago. He seems like an amazing personality. I'll pray for his safety. InshAllah Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) keep him safe and he wil be released.

And if it is him in the hadith about the Sayyed leader, then InshAllah we will be a step closer to the reappearance of Imam Mahdi (عليه السلام). (ajf).

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Did you just make that forum today? There is nothing on there about Imam Musa Sadr!

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Don't know why someone would create a forum and not post any messages there.

Looks like that photo of Imam Musa Sadr and using his name is only a ploy to draw people there. :unsure:

The only thing I see is a huge button to click on that says PLAY NOW and another button that says DOWNLOAD. :squeez:

Today I saw a video online, a documentary about him, and when I clicked on it there was a commercial first of beauty products with nonhijabi woman. :wacko:

After I waited through that commercial :angry: there was an error message that said Oh no, that video has been removed.

If the video was removed, why didn't that person delete the commercial? :shaytan:

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Does anyone actually think that Gaddafi would keep him alive?

it is not the power of qaddafi that will keep him alive.it is the power of Allah.

dont you remember the story of Sukaina,daughter of Imam Hussain (as) and the words of Sayyiah Zainab (as) in the court of yazeed (la)? Sayyidah Zainab (as) responded to the syrian who wanted to enslave Sukaina (as) that the affair is not in his hand nor in the hand of his master (i.e. yazeed (la).

recall that Imam Zainul-Abideen (as) survived Karbala.

dear sister,i am not trying to draw parallels,but i am trying to be hopeful and prayerful to Almighty Allah that He will grant us a miracle.inshaAllah with the millions whose hearts are with Imam Sadr,he will return safely by the special grace of Almighty Allah.

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one of the facebook pages of the Imam has just posted that sources from the iranian revolutionary guards say that Imam al-Sadr is now in Iran.

the above news was also circulated a few days back.not sure how true the news is.

Haven't read anything like that in the Iranian newspapers, so unfortunately I doubt it is true.

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