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Why Most Iranians Hate Khomeini?

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Some good info I just found:

Wikipedia puts the "Iranian"-American population at between: 326,205[1] - 691,000[2]

And I again note the good Iranian Muslims I have met in Amerikkka itself who while middle class, etc. still have the Deen of Allah(SWT) and fight for justice.

But again let us even say the Western minority of Iranians are allegedly mostly "irreligious" (which I could again refute with examples of good Iranian Muslim in the West) even when we compare the Iranians in the West to the Islamic Republic of Iran's massive population of nearly 73 million people the "Westerners" are nothing and do not at all "show" that Iranian people are allegedly "against" the Islamic system (which they are not). In fact the Iranian people freely elected President Ahmadinejad(ha) and stand by Rahbar Khamenei (ha), Alhamdulillah. Western propagandists also love to trot out a few token "Iranian" Uncle Tom's in the West and try to shoot this out on media that will try to brainwash Iranians. Iranian Muslims must realize this is the whisper of Shaytan, and we Muslims must seek refuge with Allah(SWT) and follow the blessed system of Wilayat al-Faqih that has fought from its very first second against the wicked oppression of the Amerikkkan imperialists and Zionist "Israeli" colonialists. The Muslim Ummah will establish justice, and defeat the oppression of the kuffar, insha Allah. We must be brave and have sabr (patience); we must also work as hard as possible preparing and building ourselves and our Muslim Ummah to fight the demonic imperialist/neo-colonialist forces. This is certainly a form of Jihad going to school, university, work, inventing new things, etc. The more we develop the sooner we will be able to end the strangle hold of colonialist kaafir powers on our blessed Muslim people, insha Allah.

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Another set of people that held deep contempt toward Ayatollah were drug addicts. He allowed cleric Khalkhali to wipe them out, given that with drugs, comes other problems like theft, murders, prostitution, STD's, and God knows what else. Shortly after his death, Khameini loosened some of Khomeini's laws given that the country became much more stable after the Iran-Iraq war.

They killed drug addicts? Or do you mean to say sellers/dealers?

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Ever since I came to Canada, every single Iranian I've met has this unimaginable hate for ayatollah khomeini and curse him in the most pathetic and disgusting ways. Not one Iranian i've met has said anything good about him (at least here). While Afghans love him and give him utmost respect. I believe we have some dedicated and knowledged iranians here who could help me understand this issue. Why are these people accusing him for whatever's happening to Iran. They blame him for everything. Was he a political figure that ordered destruction of Iran or was it because he banned women walking around in bikins and men from consuming alcohol and living the french life?

Since i don't have any knowledge of his history and achievements, I can't really argue with them.

Allah bless Khomeini..

don't care about those men and women who try to become model or actor, thinking to become carle bruine and nikolas sarkozy.

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One day I was sitting at work with an Iranian Shiite girl born and lived in Iran for 20 years and a lebanese Sunni girl born and brought up in Australia.

In our discussion I asked the Shia girl secretly "do u hate umar and abubakar"

She replied: it's Sunnis who hate them right?

And the Sunni girl sneaked in and said who are those two in discussion. :)

Most people are plitical entusiast in both Sunni and Shia; nothing much to do with religion.

Ya Ali Madad

I, once had a debate with a mid 30's iranian women about this, because it did bother me. She gave an explanation which to some extent i agreed too but i don't how much of it is to be blamed on ayatollah khomeini. she said if you're raised in a country that impose evil laws on you and all you see is cruelty in the law, and the ones enforcing it call it Islamic law, wouldn't you naturally grow hatred for Islam while growing up in that community? specially if you don't know the real Islam and all you know it is through your government? she said she doesn't know anything about Islam (she is christian) but the govt. laws were definitely evil and inhumane because of which people were so distressed and had enough of it that they denounced Islam as a whole, only because of a corrupt govt. system. Then this other Old man started cursing all of them, from the prophets to the imams, then all the way to the govt of iran, simply stating that they took away democracy and killed 1000's of men and are still killing us and opressing us and Khomeini is to be blamed for all of this. Very shallow of him but thats what he believed.

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I, once had a debate with a mid 30's iranian women about this, because it did bother me. She gave an explanation which to some extent i agreed too but i don't how much of it is to be blamed on ayatollah khomeini. she said if you're raised in a country that impose evil laws on you and all you see is cruelty in the law, and the ones enforcing it call it Islamic law, wouldn't you naturally grow hatred for Islam while growing up in that community? specially if you don't know the real Islam and all you know it is through your government? she said she doesn't know anything about Islam (she is christian) but the govt. laws were definitely evil and inhumane because of which people were so distressed and had enough of it that they denounced Islam as a whole, only because of a corrupt govt. system. Then this other Old man started cursing all of them, from the prophets to the imams, then all the way to the govt of iran, simply stating that they took away democracy and killed 1000's of men and are still killing us and opressing us and Khomeini is to be blamed for all of this. Very shallow of him but thats what he believed.

First The Islamic Republic of Iran implements proper Islamic law based on the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh) and the Holy Ahl al-Bayt (as). Anyone who criticizes the Islamic Republic for implementing what Allah(SWT) decreed needs to repent to Allah(SWT). I think your basing what your saying about the Islamic Republic of Iran on the words of a few corrupt Shah(la) supporters and secularists in the West. Again using exiles as a source is not valid, because they are such a small minority when compared to the overall massive population of Iran (over 70 million people in number). The "Iranian" exile minority in the West are again most often rich people who were associated with the Shah(la) to some extent who had to flee (just like the Shah) to escape the wrath of the Iranian Muslim masses in the blessed Islamic Revolution of 1979. These wretched Shah(la) supporters are a small group of people, they just are rich (from their theft of Iran's wealth as a close clique right below the Shah) and able to easily access Zionist Jewish owned Western media sources where they live in exile. Again you don't see average Iranians speaking on CNN or Fox (Faux) "News"! You see relatives of the Shah(la) and other members of this accursed minority of "Iranian" Uncle Tom Shah(la) supporters who managed to flee the wrath of the Iranian Muslim nation.

Issues like what you are speaking of (using these few Western Shah supporters) were spoken of and handled very well in an earlier thread, I recommend it!

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/234968731-the-lowest-moque-attendance-of-any-islamic-country/

Poster: baradar_jackson

Post #- 60

Quote- Nima why do you insist upon using the Iranian diaspora as being representative of Iran as a whole?

The diaspora is a bad sample because it consists only of people who can afford to leave the country and establish a life in a foreign country. This is a very limited sample because it consists of elites and petit bourgeois. You don't see any Iranian farmers or workers going to Europe.

Rich people tend to be less religious than poor people; this is a universal trend.

end quote.

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Ever since I came to Canada, every single Iranian I've met has this unimaginable hate for ayatollah khomeini and curse him in the most pathetic and disgusting ways. Not one Iranian i've met has said anything good about him (at least here). While Afghans love him and give him utmost respect. I believe we have some dedicated and knowledged iranians here who could help me understand this issue. Why are these people accusing him for whatever's happening to Iran. They blame him for everything. Was he a political figure that ordered destruction of Iran or was it because he banned women walking around in bikins and men from consuming alcohol and living the french life?

Since i don't have any knowledge of his history and achievements, I can't really argue with them.

Not a big deal that iranian diaspora hate Khomeini

it's like the vietnamese diaspora in us and france most of them were against the communist regime that's why they left

but if you take a look on the Iranian living in Iran they are very proud of what Khomeini done and without an indefectible support of the masses Khomeini would never done what he made (removing a westernized strong monarchy and turn it into an Islamic Republic).

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Not a big deal that iranian diaspora hate Khomeini

it's like the vietnamese diaspora in us and france most of them were against the communist regime that's why they left

but if you take a look on the Iranian living in Iran they are very proud of what Khomeini done and without an indefectible support of the masses Khomeini would never done what he made (removing a westernized strong monarchy and turn it into an Islamic Republic).

Your 100% correct my brother. This is the case in every revolution, there is always a small minority of wealthy elites (who got wealthy via their association with the Western backed monarch/dictator) who manage to flee justice and get away from the revolution of the masses. In the case of the Islamic Revolution in Iran the bulk of these Shah(la) supporting oppressive elites went to Los Angeles, California in the United States of Amerikkka. I believe I heard there is at least a few hundred thousand of these "Iranian" Uncle Toms in Los Angeles alone (making up the vast bulk of the "Iranian" population in Amerikkka). These cronies of the Shah(la)'s inner-circle now often appear on Western propaganda media (controlled by the Zionists) and try to mislead the Muslim people of Iran. But insha Allah those kaafirs evil plans will never succeed.

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First The Islamic Republic of Iran implements proper Islamic law based on the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh) and the Holy Ahl al-Bayt (as). Anyone who criticizes the Islamic Republic for implementing what Allah(SWT) decreed needs to repent to Allah(SWT). I think your basing what your saying about the Islamic Republic of Iran on the words of a few corrupt Shah(la) supporters and secularists in the West. .

I strongly disagree on this matter. How is Iran implementing proper Islamic laws by stoning people to death? how is Islamic law being implemented by hanging poor girls til death because they were rape victims and the accused was a govt./political figure? How is Allah's law being put into action, when they go house to house in mashad and threw afghans out of their houses and sent them back to their land while their poor children hadn't even returned from school?

Islamic republic of Iran has nothing Islamic in it. Matter of fact, no Islamic govt has anything Islamic in it. I understand your love for your country (if you're Iranian) but truth stands clear, doesn't it? One afghan poet once said, I went to the east, I saw Muslims but no Islam, I went to the west, i saw Islam but no muslims....or something like that.

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You started with this:

While Afghans love him and give him utmost respect.

Then you post this.

How is Allah's law being put into action, when they go house to house in mashad and threw afghans out of their houses and sent them back to their land while their poor children hadn't even returned from school?

Hope you can see the inconsistency.

Islamic republic of Iran has nothing Islamic in it.

In the context of your obvious expertise in this topic, I think the IRI would take this as a compliment.

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Hope you can see the inconsistency.

In the context of your obvious expertise in this topic, I think the IRI would take this as a compliment.

it is consistent....in the sense that Afghans have utmost respect for Ayatollah Khomeini but he never ordered to get them kicked out of Iran. But the so-called "Islamic republic" is carrying out what i've listed. I don't think what they're doing now has anything to do with Khomeini. I request you read my post without any prejudice ( if any). But its not just about Afghans, its what they're doing to Iranians too, and now this uprising by students and all. these 1000s of civilians can't be all wrong.

And my apologies if I, in any way, showed my expertise, if I was an expert, I wouldn't post this question here. Im just stating my opinion from what I've seen. My blood boils when I see people using Islam as a tool/weapon to suite their desires.

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I strongly disagree on this matter. How is Iran implementing proper Islamic laws by stoning people to death? how is Islamic law being implemented by hanging poor girls til death because they were rape victims and the accused was a govt./political figure? How is Allah's law being put into action, when they go house to house in mashad and threw afghans out of their houses and sent them back to their land while their poor children hadn't even returned from school?

Islamic republic of Iran has nothing Islamic in it. Matter of fact, no Islamic govt has anything Islamic in it. I understand your love for your country (if you're Iranian) but truth stands clear, doesn't it? One afghan poet once said, I went to the east, I saw Muslims but no Islam, I went to the west, i saw Islam but no muslims....or something like that.

Your thread topic was misleading. You were pretending to be inquisitive when it turns out you already have your mind made up.

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Your thread topic was misleading. You were pretending to be inquisitive when it turns out you already have your mind made up.

read my post #26, i was not pretending to be inquisitive, but if thats how you look at things, then all the power to you. you guys are mixing up the issue of Khomeini with current political structure of Iran, while I made it clear about what i was inquiring about.

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But its not just about Afghans, its what they're doing to Iranians too, and now this uprising by students and all. these 1000s of civilians can't be all wrong.

And my apologies if I, in any way, showed my expertise, if I was an expert, I wouldn't post this question here. Im just stating my opinion from what I've seen. My blood boils when I see people using Islam as a tool/weapon to suite their desires.

You are attempting to show your 'expertise' by lobbing in a few anecdotal stories, which lack background and explanation and from these anecdotes you are attempting to draw some conclusions.

To the observer it seems clear that you have a pre-formed opinion and you are simply trying to justify it on very flimsy evidence indeed.

Take the example of Afghan refugees. Iran is internationally acknowledged as having one of the largest refugee communities in the world and one which it treats far more sympathetically (compared to other countries) given its own economic situation.

Secondly the thousands of civilians who protest against the regime are not wrong, they have their opinion. Unfortunately for you, they are more than matched by the many more civilians that the regime is able to bring out in its own defence.

The Egyptian government tried something similar, but it couldn't.

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You are attempting to show your 'expertise' by lobbing in a few anecdotal stories, which lack background and explanation and from these anecdotes you are attempting to draw some conclusions.

To the observer it seems clear that you have a pre-formed opinion and you are simply trying to justify it on very flimsy evidence indeed.

Take the example of Afghan refugees. Iran is internationally acknowledged as having one of the largest refugee communities in the world and one which it treats far more sympathetically (compared to other countries) given its own economic situation.

Secondly the thousands of civilians who protest against the regime are not wrong, they have their opinion. Unfortunately for you, they are more than matched by the many more civilians that the regime is able to bring out in its own defense.

The Egyptian government tried something similar, but it couldn't.

If you wanna be hard headed about it as i said before, by all means, but please do it at an appropriate thread. this is just taking us away from the topic of this thread. I DO have a pre-formed opinion, and that's not exclusively to Iran, but to all so-called Islamic countries. I lived in Iran more than I lived in Afghanistan (5 years compared to 8 months of infancy), therefore, i have deep attachments to that country. also i grew up thinking Iran is the biggest shi'a country and the central school of shi'a studies. So please don't bring those differences here, on this thread.

if the example of afghans really disturbs you then you can scratch that off. but are you really convinced Iran is implementing the laws of Allah and the prophet's sunnah??? I highly doubt so. Even still, my question is about majority of iranians in north america hating khomeini.

So can we please get back on track now?

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