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Why Most Iranians Hate Khomeini?

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Seems like you might been hanging around too between Younge & Steeles and Yonge & Finch. Canada has a very large Iranian population and majority of them are all Shah-lovers. So in other words, you might be meeting up with the wrong Iranians.

Why don't you go to the Iranian mosque in Canada and see if you still see the same reaction?

Wassalam

talking about the one near Victoria pk and O'Connor? you're right I should've. Never been there. And I'm talking about the main concentration of Iranians, Richmond hill, but rest of Toronto too.

See its not like I'm going around interviewing people about it, but it just happens that out of nowhere they start cussing Khomeini out, out of their frustrations for leaving their happy life in Iran and coming to Canada. I thought maybe there was more to it, that's why I made this post in the first place.

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Bah, im to tired of explaining in many words, so here is a short summary. 1. Majority of the Iranians in foreign countries are either, mojahedeen khalgh, shah lovers, or basically with no religio

Firstly brother, whenever you ask people's opinions you should always look if the sample is one reflective of the society you want to assess. Iran has an Islamic government. Iran also has free immigra

Shia girl was being sarcastic Sunni girl probably arrived in the conversation late You were probably duped by a couple of girls lol 

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I don't like Khomeini and I am a Muslim Shia. Yes he was a great man in the sense that he brought about the revolution that not many people could do so and he has influenced many people, i'm not going to deny that. However, he has the blood of innocent people on his hands. He didn't put a stop to khalkhali executing innocent people and then declaring them as shaheeds... yes i'm aware some of them were part of the MKO whom betrayed their own country. In fact, if we look at this Islamically capital punishment can't take place so easily as you need a lot of evidence and during the time of ghayba not all parts of the sharia can be implemented.

The people who hate khomeini with a passion is due to the fact that he imposed all these rules on them without them being prepared so obviously they would rebel against this. Furthermore, a lot of people were put in prison and people were condemned for wearing jeans etc and i even heard that acid used to be thrown on them. At the end of the day, all these killings were done under the name of Islam. This is what happens when people gain power and during the course of history we can see how these so called khalifahs used Islam as a means to control people.

Also, those who did vote for Ahmadenejad wouldn't have done so if they knew what was to come. I neither support Ahmadenejad nor Musavi.They're both as bad as each other.

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However, he has the blood of innocent people on his hands.

You assume that they are innocent. Why?

The people who hate khomeini with a passion is due to the fact that he imposed all these rules on them without them being prepared so obviously they would rebel against this.

This is true...

Furthermore, a lot of people were put in prison and people were condemned for wearing jeans etc and i even heard that acid used to be thrown on them.

... but this is just rumor-mongering. Don't believe everything you hear.

At the end of the day, all these killings were done under the name of Islam.

The only "killings" that happened were for traitors who collaborated with Saddam and the imperialists.

Therefore, one should not be ashamed if such executions are carried out in the name of Islam.

Islam prescribes for capital punishment in such cases.

This is what happens when people gain power and during the course of history we can see how these so called khalifahs used Islam as a means to control people.

Typical "power corrupts" mentality.

Well I got news for you: power and administration are a necessary part of any society. And we would rather have righteous leaders and let Islam's name become tarnished in the eyes of certain naive people than have corrupt leaders and an Islam that is not "tarnished" by the "evils" of politics.

Also, those who did vote for Ahmadenejad wouldn't have done so if they knew what was to come.

This is unsubstantiated...

Moreover, "what was to come" was a product of the naivete and treachery of the greens. So why would that make people who voted for Ahmadinejad regretful?

I neither support Ahmadenejad nor Musavi.They're both as bad as each other.

You Shirazi followers are always trying to stay on the fence by saying things like this.

This is not about Mousavi vs. Ahmadinejad. Those are just names. This is bigger than me, this is bigger than you, and this is bigger than even Mousavi or Ahmadinejad. This is about our obligation to prevent the revolution from becoming deviated. This is about truth against falsehood, just like in all those stories you read about in that book we have.

Anyway, Iranians should be proud to have a president like Ahmadinejad. A man who works hard, gives up sleep, doesn't steal from the people, lives a simple life; someone who says what he means and means what he says. Me and my friend were talking about this today and we came to the conclusion that with all the moft khors in our country, we probably deserve an imperialist stooge like Mammad Reza Shah rather than a lion like Ahmadi.

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The experience of the Egyptian "Revolution" vindicates everything that Ayatollah Khomeini did. Any reasonable person is totally aghast at the way in which the U.S. is manipulating the wishes of the Egyptian people.

The following article in the UKs centre-left Guardian newspaper has a large number of comments and many of the highly recommended ones are along the lines of:

American and Israeli interests will do all in their power to maintain their proxy strangle hold on the country but the natives are restless and eventually they will gain their freedom.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/feb/06/andrew-rawnsley-egypt-mubarak-democracy?intcmp=239

And

Already the US is manouevering behind Sulieman. I fear a return to the old order with the usual reprisals against any who champion free speech.

It's easy and naive to think that the IRI was a natural conclusion to the 1979 Revolution. In reality there were many forces inside/outside Iran more than happy to derail it. If they ended up dead, too bad.

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talking about the one near Victoria pk and O'Connor? you're right I should've.

Yes.

And I'm talking about the main concentration of Iranians, Richmond hill, but rest of Toronto too.

It's the same old Shah loving Iranis bro; most of the new generation doesn't care or know jack all about religion.

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The reality is that every group of religion will be given the chance to rule but none can impplement justice.

Shias too in ghayba will make their own imams as Sunnis previously did and still do.

All u people wait for imam ajf and he will decide what Khomeini and khamenei or his likes are.

Just wait

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The reality is that every group of religion will be given the chance to rule but none can impplement justice.

Shias too in ghayba will make their own imams as Sunnis previously did and still do.

All u people wait for imam ajf and he will decide what Khomeini and khamenei or his likes are.

Just wait

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What is the point of gheibat if we are to sit on our hands and do nothing?

What is the point of revelation if much of its content is to be ignored in this period (of gheibat)?

Nobody can be a leader in gheibat? The affairs of the world are to be ignored during gheibat?

If the revolution didn't happen, it would have been preferable? God is more pleased that people live under Taghut than under a just leader like Emam Khomeini or Seyyed Ali Khamenei?

It's funny that you make such implicit accusations against Emam and against the leader (telling us that we should "just wait" for Imam Mahdi to come and punish them), because it shows that you see yourself to be the one who knows what Imam Mahdi wants or will want. And your kind calls us arrogant for thinking that the leader is a representative of Imam Mahdi in gheibat? lol

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What is the point of gheibat if we are to sit on our hands and do nothing?

What is the point of revelation if much of its content is to be ignored in this period (of gheibat)?

Nobody can be a leader in gheibat? The affairs of the world are to be ignored during gheibat?

If the revolution didn't happen, it would have been preferable? God is more pleased that people live under Taghut than under a just leader like Emam Khomeini or Seyyed Ali Khamenei?

It's funny that you make such implicit accusations against Emam and against the leader (telling us that we should "just wait" for Imam Mahdi to come and punish them), because it shows that you see yourself to be the one who knows what Imam Mahdi wants or will want. And your kind calls us arrogant for thinking that the leader is a representative of Imam Mahdi in gheibat? lol

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Ironically, when Islam was brought to the people of Yemen, There had a group who said....yeah, we are Muslim,. but let us Wait for Allah to implement Islamic Law rather then who the Prophet (pbuh) appointed to carry out the Criminal Justice in Yemen.

They are there every generation with the same Idea but using a different yet similar excuse.

I guess the saying holds true...."The More things change, the More things stay the Same"

And the fact is, people like this don't just want us to wait for capital punishment to be implemented by the Mahdi, they want to wait for EVERYTHING to be implemented by the Mahdi.

AKA: We should just promote an Ultra-Secular no holds bar society until his arrival.

An Example of there General Attitude-

You say: Look at all the Pornography on TV. How am I supposed to raise my daughter with this! This should be Banned!!!

They say: Oh, Just lower you gaze and shut of your TV.

You Say: This man has been caught producing Alcohol in an Islamic state when he knows it is against the law and it's punishment. He deserves the appropriate amount of Lashes!

They Say: You Cant Implement such thing! Wait till the Arrival of the Imam!

Ohhhhh The Hypocrisy!

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Grand Ayatollah Significance of MKO Sympathizer! ;)

one ridicule followed by another.....very mature guys.

I have nothing to do with how they run the country, nor do i acknowledge MKO...Someone said: wanna say something smart? think of something stupid then don't say it.

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one ridicule followed by another.....very mature guys.

I have nothing to do with how they run the country, nor do i acknowledge MKO...Someone said: wanna say something smart? think of something stupid then don't say it.

I was closely reading your post and replies. I would ask you to read from the very beginning and see from where you started and where you ended up! And speaking of maturity, you must work on that, you exposed yourself too quick.

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What is the point of gheibat if we are to sit on our hands and do nothing?

What is the point of revelation if much of its content is to be ignored in this period (of gheibat)?

Nobody can be a leader in gheibat? The affairs of the world are to be ignored during gheibat?

If the revolution didn't happen, it would have been preferable? God is more pleased that people live under Taghut than under a just leader like Emam Khomeini or Seyyed Ali Khamenei?

It's funny that you make such implicit accusations against Emam and against the leader (telling us that we should "just wait" for Imam Mahdi to come and punish them), because it shows that you see yourself to be the one who knows what Imam Mahdi wants or will want. And your kind calls us arrogant for thinking that the leader is a representative of Imam Mahdi in gheibat? lol

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oh u imagined that imam Mahdi ajf will come and punish them however I never said that. Baradar, I don't have to do with any country or any laws. Do u know where I live. Wilayate Ali asws. And u guys want punishments implemented or u want rule. You can be a political enthusiast and even rule to establish justice and to which I don't have any problem.

It is Allah azwj who would have A problem, if any.

And yemeni's wanted Allah azwj to establish laws and Allah azwj did establish the laws in yemen and it is Allah azwj's rule even today all over, atleast I am under His rule alhamdolillah..

Al ajal ya imam

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I was closely reading your post and replies. I would ask you to read from the very beginning and see from where you started and where you ended up! And speaking of maturity, you must work on that, you exposed yourself too quick.

"Exposed"??? Well, those who understood my question, already answered me. But thanks for your concern.

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You Shirazi followers are always trying to stay on the fence by saying things like this.

I'm a Shia, not a Shirazi. It's not good to put ourselves in these labels. You can have a government which has Islamic values. It doesn't necessarily mean they have to call themselves Islamic.

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I'm a Shia, not a Shirazi. It's not good to put ourselves in these labels. You can have a government which has Islamic values. It doesn't necessarily mean they have to call themselves Islamic.

You can have shia values, you dont need to call yourself shia? According to you it seems that unless you 100 percent reflect the term shia, you should not call yourself by that title? The IR is based on islamic fundamentals, agreed on by fuqaha, it is working towards becoming 'more' Islamic, so why shouldnt it be refferred to as the Islamic Republic?!

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You can have shia values, you dont need to call yourself shia? According to you it seems that unless you 100 percent reflect the term shia, you should not call yourself by that title? The IR is based on islamic fundamentals, agreed on by fuqaha, it is working towards becoming 'more' Islamic, so why shouldnt it be refferred to as the Islamic Republic?!

You're right. We should not call ourselves Shia if we are not truly following the teachings of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) . Actually, there's a hadith regarding this issue though i don't exactly remember it. Not all scholars agree with the current system of the Iranian government and it should not be referred to as Islamic as the only true Islamic state shall be under the Imam of our time.

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Imam Khomeini (ra) is a good person, watch this documentary if you don't believe me.

As to Syed Khamenei, he has proved he is smarter than the other leaders in the region because his government wasn't toppled by a bunch of teenagers with green ribbons LOL

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I'm a Shia, not a Shirazi. It's not good to put ourselves in these labels. You can have a government which has Islamic values. It doesn't necessarily mean they have to call themselves Islamic.

The Shiite Muslims who truly hate the IRI, are the Shirazi followers. They hate the revolution. They hate both Emam Khomeini and Khamenei Seyyed. I've never seen a Shirazi, who admire IRI.

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Imam Khomeini (ra) is a good person, watch this documentary if you don't believe me.

As to Syed Khamenei, he has proved he is smarter than the other leaders in the region because his government wasn't toppled by a bunch of teenagers with green ribbons LOL

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Haidar? Is that really you?

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Haidar? Is that really you?

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Yes sir, I realized that it is a strong duty governing over 80 million people and that mistakes are inevitable. The system isn't designed so that every little mistake goes back to Syed Khamenei, that's ridiculous. It is best to leave history as it was because bickering over it isn't going benefit us, what's done is done and the damage has been healed. What we should do now is try to support those living in Iran so that we can prove to people and also ourselves that Shias aren't a bunch of fighting school kids. And as always May Allah curse the Shah!

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Yes sir, I realized that it is a strong duty governing over 80 million people and that mistakes are inevitable. The system isn't designed so that every little mistake goes back to Syed Khamenei, that's ridiculous. It is best to leave history as it was because bickering over it isn't going benefit us, what's done is done and the damage has been healed. What we should do now is try to support those living in Iran so that we can prove to people and also ourselves that Shias aren't a bunch of fighting school kids. And as always May Allah curse the Shah!

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Hmmm...

I'm not sure how serious you are.

If you are serious, then what was the cause for your overnight transformation, my son?

Was it my guidance (i.e. hitting)? Was it someone else's guidance? Was it your own evolution as a human being?

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Imam Khomeini (ra) is a good person, watch this documentary if you don't believe me.

As to Syed Khamenei, he has proved he is smarter than the other leaders in the region because his government wasn't toppled by a bunch of teenagers with green ribbons LOL

(wasalam)

Is the law put forth by Imam Khomeini the same the one being implemented right now? or is it modified? ...just wondering

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Is the law put forth by Imam Khomeini the same the one being implemented right now? or is it modified? ...just wondering

The Law isnt made by Imam Khomeini, what are you on about?

You think one man sat down and wrote the whole book of laws the country has?

Laws in a country goes from traffic laws, school, social, realestate, tax, banking, etc etc etc.

The System of power was designed by Imam Khomeini and other scholars yes. Like WF. president, parliament, majlis khobregan, etc etc.

Here ill give you a crash course:

You have 3 departments.

1. Seats of power that are elected by the people are:

  • Parliament, which in its basics suggests laws and changes in laws.
  • President, which is the executer of development and to a certain degree laws.
  • Assembly of experts. which choose and supervise WF.

2. Then you have seats of power which are elected by the elected powers above.

  • These are Guardian Council, which is chosen by Parliament, WF and the Judiciary. Holds 6 clerics and 6 lawyers. Chosen by WF, the judiciary and Parliament.
  • The Cabinet which is the Presidents Cabinet.
  • And finally the WF which is chosen by Assembly of experts.

3. Unelected powers are also 3, Judiciary, armed forces and expediency council. These are chosen directly by the WF.

Now, the way laws are made are as such. First when the revolution was created a whole bunch of people sat down and made the initial laws of the country. But when new laws are created or undone it is as such: A suggestion is made to the parliament, and they vote on it. If its accepted it goes to Guardian council for approval(usually to approve if it doesn't violate any Islamic laws). If its approved there, then it is passed and new law is created. If not, then it is asked to be restructured or abandoned.

Now you might come to wonder why some laws aren't Islamic sometimes. There are several reasons for this.

Parliament might be majority secular or members with non islamic values. They keep suggesting laws that benefit economically driven business men, sometimes themselves. And they are really tricky about it too. They try to pass laws that isn't exactly unislamic, but result in some people making loads of money. There were also times(majority of the revolution) where the Liberals controlled most of Parliament, President, Cabinet and to some degree Guardian Council. Now you can use math and put two and two together and figure out why some things went wrong.

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The Shiite Muslims who truly hate the IRI, are the Shirazi followers. They hate the revolution. They hate both Emam Khomeini and Khamenei Seyyed. I've never seen a Shirazi, who admire IRI.

What Shirazi should do is he should get a hold of his takfeeri brother before going at his muqalids heh.

Hmmm...

I'm not sure how serious you are.

If you are serious, then what was the cause for your overnight transformation, my son?

Was it my guidance (i.e. hitting)? Was it someone else's guidance? Was it your own evolution as a human being?

I am serious. I'll tell you what was wrong, I never used common sense. If we were to fight over these issues for 20 years more, what would we gain? Headaches? Even if "Shirazis" were to win the arguement, it wouldn't change what happened in the past. It isn't going to bring back anyone from the dead.

If there's one pitch you keep swinging at and keep missing, stop swinging at it. -Yogi Berra

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I think from now on those that say "We can do whatever we want, refuse to listen to whomever we want, and nobody can tell us what to do, until Mahdi arrives"

should be called "Mahdists", I will add this to my collection of blind messiah worshippers who don't want to live for today, but somehow want to live for tomorrow, and also happen to hate a lot of Shariah laws for reasons beyond my simple comprehension.

1. Bahais

2. Ahmadiyyas

3. Yarsans

4. Mahdists (The recent cult) (They are worse than the above 3, given that they are found all over the Muslim world and come in larger quantities than the above combined).

Tomorrow they will say, all hadiths good and bad, are useless, the Quran is outdated, who knows, they will come up with newer jokes.

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I think from now on those that say "We can do whatever we want, refuse to listen to whomever we want, and nobody can tell us what to do, until Mahdi arrives"

should be called "Mahdists", I will add this to my collection of blind messiah worshippers who don't want to live for today, but somehow want to live for tomorrow, and also happen to hate a lot of Shariah laws for reasons beyond my simple comprehension.

1. Bahais

2. Ahmadiyyas

3. Yarsans

4. Mahdists (The recent cult) (They are worse than the above 3, given that they are found all over the Muslim world and come in larger quantities than the above combined).

Tomorrow they will say, all hadiths good and bad, are useless, the Quran is outdated, who knows, they will come up with newer jokes.

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I've seen that before and i found it totally offensive!

What is so offensive about it?

He is making a very simple and reasonable argument: if political activity is to be suspended (for the believers) in this period of gheibat, what is the point of gheibat? Is Imam Mahdi ashegh-e cheshm o abroo of a particular generation, to decide to reappear during this or that era? No. If the basic relationship between people is the same as it was during the time of the Prophet (S) -- if there is no change in the structure of these relations -- then it makes no difference when he reappears. Every era is just as corrupt and therefore just as much in need of his leadership. But then this would make his reappearance arbitrary. But how can his reappearance be arbitrary? If Islam is compatible with reason, how do we explain this?

If zuhoor is not arbitrary, then either:

1) He will come in a time of unprecedented corruption. Or:

2) We make him come by trying to create an order which he would want to create.

The first option is nonsensical because it would mean we would benefit most from encouraging corruption. In fact some backward people once did this: they would encourage corruption to bring about zuhoor! This makes no sense. Why would we be rewarded for bad behavior? The Quran was given to us so we could stamp out corruption, and now we must act corrupt in order to bring about the return of Imam Zaman?

The second option is the only one, therefore, that makes sense. It is the only way that zuhoor can be compatible with reason. And all Islamic doctrine is compatible with reason.

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Yes, I do realise that just praying for the Imam to come whilst doing nothing is pointless in a sense however the man in the video didn't seem to convey his message properly as he was mocking the way people mourn...

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Yes, I do realise that just praying for the Imam to come whilst doing nothing is pointless in a sense however the man in the video didn't seem to convey his message properly as he was mocking the way people mourn...

He wasn't mocking the way people mourn but the fact that people mourn while lacking political consciousness.

He is arguing against a Christian Ashura, where crying for Imam Hussein cleanses us of our sins.

He is instead arguing for a pure Ashura, where we don't just cry but understand the significance of Ashura and of Imam Hussein's revolt.

That's not so offensive. I think most people would agree with that assessment. We shouldn't cry for someone we know nothing about.

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I think from now on those that say "We can do whatever we want, refuse to listen to whomever we want, and nobody can tell us what to do, until Mahdi arrives"

should be called "Mahdists", I will add this to my collection of blind messiah worshippers who don't want to live for today, but somehow want to live for tomorrow, and also happen to hate a lot of Shariah laws for reasons beyond my simple comprehension.

1. Bahais

2. Ahmadiyyas

3. Yarsans

4. Mahdists (The recent cult) (They are worse than the above 3, given that they are found all over the Muslim world and come in larger quantities than the above combined).

Tomorrow they will say, all hadiths good and bad, are useless, the Quran is outdated, who knows, they will come up with newer jokes.

imam as did say that our return is in your hands. If u recognise our rights and become pious our day of meeting us not far. Either, we aren't pious or do not recognise his rights. If u say piety then there is lot more awareness and piety these days than a couple of decades ago.

So, we don not recognize his ajf's right. And thank u, supporting khamenei is not the Right of our imam. 90% of religion is taqiyya so u would call all those the worst most. It is people like u; who want the rights of imam ajf in a non imam's hand. So, beware of ur faulty language and generalisation or I will take this to the admins as u are trying to cause a fitna.

And this guy in the video, mr. Hasan, what a blasphemy against azadari e Hussain; allahuakbar. Love is the biggest act of showing love and acknowledging the rights of imam ajf but how will u understand this after ur preconceived notions.

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