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lol..because she is female it'll bring harm to her and it would go against the ruling of Allah where he asks females to look after their chastity, etc. Of course it's not her fault she's female but if we were all males on this earth, where would the children come from?

And a female can lead other females in prayer as that brings no harm. And if she wanted to become a scholar, she can become one amongst her family and teach her family. If she was to go to the outside world, then it may bring her harm as the way men look at women isn't in the same way women look at men. Am i right?

You can't use the same context for an illegitimate child. :)

Also leading prayers is not a privilege but a responsibility. Women already are burdened with so much responsibilities, leading prayers is out of the question despite the fact that even during namaaz law of attraction still applies.

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Let me explain sister, basically there are undercover salafi infiltrators on SC who quote ahadith left, right and center about apostates being punished by death, inequality between genders, slavery being permissible etc etc. So I felt confused because all that didn't make any sense logically and after all Islam is a logical religion and if something is against common sense then it must be wrong. So I asked a shaikh and he told me not to pay attention to the ahadith being posted because all ahadith are limited to a certain time and context and secondly if a hadith contradicts Qur'an then it must be rejected. So you see, Qur'an says "La ikraha fi al din"(there's no compulsion in religion). Qur'an also say "Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim"(By the name of Allah the most gracious the most merciful).

So this clears up everything that all ahadith which promote death for apostates, less rights for illegitimate children, inequality between genders etc etc are against Qur'an because Qur'an makes it clear that there's no compulsion in religion and also that Allah(swt) is merciful so such unfair rules can never be true because they're against common sense. This makes me so happy. Now I'll never leave Islam. My advice to all bros and sis who are confused about Islam, just visit your local shaikh and he'll annihilate all your doubts, guaranteed!

To date your only sensible post on the forum.

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Reality check: whats the difference between men and pigs? Pigs don't turn into men when drunk LOL

Very well said! Men are truly disgusting and are always trying to oppress women by manipulating religion. After all Qur'an says in surah al Hujrat that the closest to Allah(swt) is one who's most muttaqi(pious/god fearing). So that automatically means Qur'an teaches equality of genders and any hadith that says women can't lead prayers, get less share in inheritance(oh wait, doesn't Qur'an say the same? Oh ya, it's limited to a certain time and context :) ) or any fatwa that says women can't be marja etc are against Qur'an and must be rejected. That's true Islam and anyone who thinks otherwise is backwards. :)

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(salam)

I was telling him that that kind of privileges is not even available to the female Muslims (women), even legitimate one.

its not a privilege when one has a lot of responsibility. with responsibility comes more punishment and accountability. only in the dictator arab world the responsibility is a privilege because they can leave the throne with 70 billion dollars.

leading prayer means if you make mistake then you bear the burden of all the followers.

being marja is like playing with fire every day , your desire influences one of your verdicts and you will throw yourself in fire for the wrongs of all the mislead.

regarding gender equality. the equality is in the value not in the duties and laws.

inheritance of women is half of the man because the islamic family system makes the nafaqah (maintainance) compulsory on the man not the woman hence the woman will need a smaller share of the inheritance because her husband has a duty of provision but the man will lend up having to provide so he is entitled to a bigger share of the inheritance. . this issue is not due to the gender but is only applicable to the children for example the wives who are also females get different shares.

the leading and managerial role of marja3 is also for the man because its compatible with his gender and not the females.

Edited by alimohamad40

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Do you think a righteous muslim of legitimate birth should marry a muslim who is illegitimate? According to you, a spouse of illegitimate birth is much more likely to engage in adultery than a spouse who is of legitimate birth.

First, it is not 'I' who think so; it comes to me from my leaders who speak the truth.

Second, while there is not a blanket ban on people of legitimate birth marrying those who were born illegitimate, it has come in traditions that it is disliked.

I am offering no personal opinion and there is no condemnation in our religion until the deed is done.

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Salam all,

I read through and did not find even one correct answer to the op's question. I don't know how people compare a hadees to which ever verse they deem comparable and deny hadees so easily.

No soul bares the burden of others. The illegitimate child hinself was responsible because of his deeds prior to being born.

Ya Ali Madad

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(salam)

Answering some posts from above:

1) As far as im aware, a woman that gets pregnant due to rape can decide whether to keep the child or miscarry, miscarriage becomes halal in this type of situation!

2) An illegitimate Child cannot lead prayer nor become a scholar, one of the mysteries of the universe!

3) The Quran should **NOT** be re-interpreted to suit modern times, cannot fathom on the human errors that will follow? We Shia have strong understanding of the Quran thanks to Ahlul Bayt (as) as revealed the Quran can be interpreted both literally and metaphorically, and we Shia know exactly which ones are literal and which are metaphorical.

4) I cant imagine what would happen if a woman was allowed to marry 4 men...She would be the man and they would be the woman? Theres so many others i dont think it would be appropriate mentioning them here :)

Regarding the subject of salah, a woman cannot lead for various logical reasonings, im going to speak in a non formal manner depicting how men would act in the presence of a female leader:

5) If she had a sweet sounding voice, men will start picturing her beauty in their head, may flrt emotionally and be distracted from prayers!

6) Due to the way salah is prayed, a woman will most certainly distract men when doing ruku3...

7) I cant imagine how funny it would sound for men when a robots voice leads prayer, i.e Steven Hawkins voice would definitely distract me.

Edited by sn00pking

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(salam)

Answering some posts from above:

1) As far as im aware, a woman that gets pregnant due to rape can decide whether to keep the child or miscarry, miscarriage becomes halal in this type of situation!

2) An illegitimate Child cannot lead prayer nor become a scholar, one of the mysteries of the universe!

3) The Quran should **NOT** be re-interpreted to suit modern times, cannot fathom on the human errors that will follow? We Shia have strong understanding of the Quran thanks to Ahlul Bayt (as) as revealed the Quran can be interpreted both literally and metaphorically, and we Shia know exactly which ones are literal and which are metaphorical.

4) I cant imagine what would happen if a woman was allowed to marry 4 men...She would be the man and they would be the woman? Theres so many others i dont think it would be appropriate mentioning them here :)

Regarding the subject of salah, a woman cannot lead for various logical reasonings, im going to speak in a non formal manner depicting how men would act in the presence of a female leader:

5) If she had a sweet sounding voice, men will start picturing her beauty in their head, may flrt emotionally and be distracted from prayers!

6) Due to the way salah is prayed, a woman will most certainly distract men when doing ruku3...

7) I cant imagine how funny it would sound for men when a robots voice leads prayer, i.e Steven Hawkins voice would definitely distract me.

and all of the above is from imam e masoom or you just made ur own deen?

Ya Ali madad

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