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Atheist Belief

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From my little interaction with atheists, I understand there are two types of them:

1. One who does not believe in god at all.

2. One who does believe in god (a super being) but not in organized religion.

I usually start by using their own approach.

Ask them where humans came from, and they will say animals.

ask them where animals came from and they will give a reply

for each reply, ask them what that came from (eg if he say animals evolved as him evolved from what)

and so on till you reach a point where he has no answer

The leave the discussion at that point. Give him time to ponder and realize that there must some force (God) that started creation. Let him move from category one above to category two.

Only after that can you fine tune his thoughts and guide him

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I agree with Bazari. The only thing you can do with an atheist, especially one who isnt that concerned with it is to make them question what they belief. Make them contemplate it.

A lot of peoples minds are locked on that one thing they hold to be true, there isnt anything you can do. Leave them be.

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If their intention is to understand, then you can ask them to engage in a discussion where each of you (ie him and you) both justify their belief.

Do not agree to a one way discussion where only you have to provide justification to him and he can either accept it or question it. Tell him you are completely willing to become an theist if he can convince you of his belief. That will get him on the dialogue process and he will try to explain his reasoning. Its there that you can question his thoughts and leave him to contemplate and come up with answers to your question.

A one way traffic will not work with people of the first category

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Salam,

First note that convincing an Atheist is not as easy as counting ABC, it will take time, patience and thorough understanding about not only Islamic religion, but about the subject of evolution itself so you can counter whatever he plunges at you through scientific research and examination, so it takes time, Logic is really vital here, and should be the starting point of any discussion, here is an example i like to use/start of although depending on what subject/matter he/she wants to begin with first:

Who created you? Your mom didnt create you, your dad didnt create you? even you you said they did then who created them!!! if you say it was evolution than who created that? if you say it was the big bang, then Who created that? using science saying protons and neutrons cant think and combine on their own and must utilise a cause (cosmological cause and effect) therefore everything must have a beginning, and that beginning is Allah (swt), then you follow the process of science and Islamic teachings combined with more logical examination. It takes time and research.

I hope that gives a clear picture.

wasalam.

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What if their mind is locked on to believe that I am wrong and they are right?

What if your mind is locked and you believe you are right and they are wrong?

There is no 'church of atheism'; there are no common set of beliefs.

Atheists may believe in crop circles, the power of crystals and pyramids, UFO's, the Loch Ness Monster, Big Foot or anything that strikes their fancy.

An atheist is someone who does not think there is a God.

Because there is no evidence for God.

The best that can be said for the proposed evidence is that God is one possible answer among other possibilities.

But mostly, the proposed evidence is speculative, insufficient, and often self-contradictory.

I do not think there is a God.

Is there anything you would like to ask a non believer?

Wslm.

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What if your mind is locked and you believe you are right and they are wrong?

There is no 'church of atheism'; there are no common set of beliefs.

Atheists may believe in crop circles, the power of crystals and pyramids, UFO's, the Loch Ness Monster, Big Foot or anything that strikes their fancy.

An atheist is someone who does not think there is a God.

Because there is no evidence for God.

The best that can be said for the proposed evidence is that God is one possible answer among other possibilities.

But mostly, the proposed evidence is speculative, insufficient, and often self-contradictory.

I do not think there is a God.

Is there anything you would like to ask a non believer?

Wslm.

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Why do you choose to roam this forum full of believers if you are not one yourself?

To not believe in god is a huge huge huge thing.. I cant stress more about that

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I think it is a waste of time talking to atheists. They are not talking to you to learn about your religion. Rather, most of them want you to become like them. If atheists do not believe in God or Religion, why do they spend so much time talking about it? Think about it.

Agnostics on the other hand, are better behaved because they have some doubts and they wish to learn something.

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I think it is a waste of time talking to atheists. They are not talking to you to learn about your religion. Rather, most of them want you to become like them. If atheists do not believe in God or Religion, why do they spend so much time talking about it? Think about it.

Agnostics on the other hand, are better behaved because they have some doubts and they wish to learn something.

The evangelical drive is, ironically, quite strong in them. Go figure.

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Well, atheists come in different shades and colors. In my personal interactions, once a person turns atheistic, he will never turn back to whatever he came from. My gut instinct is that, at the end of day, atheists are just a bunch of people who wants to be free from all organized/decreed duties and rituals. I have atheist friends who were once Hindu, Christian, and Taoist. They all show the same trait to me. No point discussing with them.

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I think it is a waste of time talking to atheists. They are not talking to you to learn about your religion. Rather, most of them want you to become like them. If atheists do not believe in God or Religion, why do they spend so much time talking about it? Think about it.

Agnostics on the other hand, are better behaved because they have some doubts and they wish to learn something.

I always find the position of atheist is weird since according to empiricism, God can't be proved nor disproved.

So, agnosticism might be the more logical position compared to atheism.

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The evangelical drive is, ironically, quite strong in them. Go figure.

Yes, kadhim, ... go figure.

Belief in God and the supernatural induces lack of responsibility.

It promotes dislike of ' Materialistic' and unconcern towards 'Natural'.

If Nature is the garment of God, believers witness with passive indifference its destruction.

Prayers are offered to One who is needless whilst His Works are raped, burnt and exploited with increasing fervour.

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Yes, kadhim, ... go figure.

Belief in God and the supernatural induces lack of responsibility.

It promotes dislike of ' Materialistic' and unconcern towards 'Natural'.

If Nature is the garment of God, believers witness with passive indifference its destruction.

Prayers are offered to One who is needless whilst His Works are raped, burnt and exploited with increasing fervour.

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First of all, I have to say that your sentences are worded nicely (very poetic). This is a compliment :)

However, I don't agree with you conclusion. You are implying that people who are religious are doing the raping, burning and exploitation. I don't agree with this statement. I don't know of any religion that allows the destruction of "nature" (as you term it).

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(salam)

First of all, I have to say that your sentences are worded nicely (very poetic). This is a compliment :)

However, I don't agree with you conclusion. You are implying that people who are religious are doing the raping, burning and exploitation. I don't agree with this statement. I don't know of any religion that allows the destruction of "nature" (as you term it).

I am not implying that at all.

In religion pride of place is given to the Metaphysical, whilst Naturalism is demoted and often ridiculed.

The idea that "Nothing shall ever happen except what God has ordained for us" (9:51) induces a fatalistic approach to life; indifference towards 'natural'

This is the reason I speak out; it seems to me that theists are little concerned; almost indifferent to the plunder of that we have received in trust.

Thanks for the compliment, I am blushing. :)

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I am not implying that at all.

In religion pride of place is given to the Metaphysical, whilst Naturalism is demoted and often ridiculed.

The idea that "Nothing shall ever happen except what God has ordained for us" (9:51) induces a fatalistic approach to life; indifference towards 'natural'

This is the reason I speak out; it seems to me that theists are little concerned; almost indifferent to the plunder of that we have received in trust.

Thanks for the compliment, I am blushing. :)

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Illiterate nonsense. Religion is centred on the triad of God, Cosmos, and the connection between the two realized in enlightened Humanity.

You have such a caricatured superficial conception of religion that it's not even funny.

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Illiterate nonsense. Religion is centred on the triad of God, Cosmos, and the connection between the two realized in enlightened Humanity.

You have such a caricatured superficial conception of religion that it's not even funny.

Sanctimonious assertions.

(still without a shred of evidence).

Religion is centred on fear, ignorance and superstition; it is a highly profitable business held together by clerics and finances an industry of deceit to keep the show on the road.

Your pompous excogitation of religion borders on the pathetic.

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I am not implying that at all.

In religion pride of place is given to the Metaphysical, whilst Naturalism is demoted and often ridiculed.

The idea that "Nothing shall ever happen except what God has ordained for us" (9:51) induces a fatalistic approach to life; indifference towards 'natural'

This is the reason I speak out; it seems to me that theists are little concerned; almost indifferent to the plunder of that we have received in trust.

Thanks for the compliment, I am blushing. :)

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That is absurd. You have NOTHING in reply to the nature of nature, yet you claim it is "fatalistic" that we include God in it.

Sanctimonious assertions.

(still without a shred of evidence).

Religion is centred on fear, ignorance and superstition; it is a highly profitable business held together by clerics and finances an industry of deceit to keep the show on the road.

Your pompous excogitation of religion borders on the pathetic.

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Surprisingly, the number of atheists I have met are even more ignorant than those religious ones. Just the other day I met a strong atheist who believed that our world was created by aliens who designed us. Yet the notion of God was something he ridiculed.

Religion, along with anything else, is abused. Theoretically, we have never seen a true democracy, true socialism, true dictatorships. They always lead to tyranny.

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What do you to tell a person who doesn't believe in Allah the almighty?

For instance, one who claims humanity originated from animals and other species..

:( one who is lost!

actually, to scientists, especially those familiar with taxonomy... humans by definition are animals. we are mammals, we are chordates, we are hominids etc etc etc.

do you believe humans arent mammals?

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