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Shia missionaries from Iran have increased the share of the followers of that trend in Islam within Tajikistan from 11 percent a year or so ago to 33 percent now, according to Dushanbe officials, a development that has already sparked intra-Islamic conflicts in that country and threatens to deepen its problems in the future.

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While the expert community in the former Soviet space and the West has paid some attention to Dushanbe’s recent efforts to recall Tajiks studying in Islamic schools abroad in order to block Sunni radicalism in that Central Asian republic, few writers have paid much attention to a development that may prove even more serious.

Historically, Tajiks, although they speak a Persian language, overwhelmingly have been followers of the Sunni tradition in Islam, something that both distinguishes them from the Iranians and has limited Tehran’s influence there. But the small indigenous Shiite community has grown dramatically in recent months.

In an analysis posted on the Centrasia.ru porta, Fariddun Kabirov argues that this development has been assisted both by Tajikistan President Emomali Rakhmon’s policy of rapprochement with Iran and by Dushanbe’s assumption that it has sufficient resources to counter any Shiite-Sunni clashes.

But that assumption may no longer be justified, Kabirov says. There have already been clashes in various regions of that Central Asian countries between Sunni and Shiia Muslims, clashes that have increased in number and intensity as Shiite missionaries, exploiting Dushanbe’s approach, have “flooded into Tajikistan” and pushed a pro-Iranian line.

According to Kabirov, the Gorno-Badakhshan autonomous oblast, Khatlon and Sogdian oblasts and “even Dushanbe” are now centers of Shiites there. “It is sufficient to note,” Kabirov continues, “that a year or two ago, Shiites were on the order of 11 percent of all Muslims of Tajikistan. Today this number has more than tripled to 33.4 percent.”

The Muslim Spiritual Directorate (MSD) of Tajikistan, “just like the official powers that be,” has proved itself incapable of blocking the spread of Shiism there.”

Given this, Kabirov argues, “Shia” are increasingly the dominant players in Tajik religious life among young people, and they routinely “send the young for instruction in the religious schools,” something Rakhmon opposes.

The rapid shift from Sunni to Shiia among Tajikistan’s Muslims reflects a particular feature of post-Soviet Muslim communities. Because the communist regime prevented Muslims from knowing much about their faith, few Muslims even after 1991 could define with any degree of precision differences between Shia and Sunni.

Indeed, in many post-Soviet republics, including Tajikistan, Shiia mosques often are referred to by the population as “Iranian mosques,” and Sunni mosques are identified as “national” or “Turkish” or “Saudi” depending on who paid for them and who is the head of the local Muslim community.

That will have the effect of further which they rely and make it far easier for Iran to gain influence in a region where most observers had assumed over the last two decades that it had been largely shut out.

http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&Id=218237

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This reads a bit like Anti-Iranian political propaganda to me. 1/3 of a country converting in the course of a year sounds unlikely.

This reads a lot like the typcial Sunni "Oh noes the crafty Persians are out to invade us!" line that we see in nominally Sunni nations where people are coming around to the Shia school of thought.

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This reads a bit like Anti-Iranian political propaganda to me. 1/3 of a country converting in the course of a year sounds unlikely.

This reads a lot like the typcial Sunni "Oh noes the crafty Persians are out to invade us!" line that we see in nominally Sunni nations where people are coming around to the Shia school of thought.

I agree. It is quite hard to believe this, especially given the enormous Russian (kafir) influences on Tajikistan and other former Soviet states. But even if a small percentage of the their population are shias then that is still a very good news.

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On 17/01/2011 at 8:59 PM, kadhim said:

This reads a bit like Anti-Iranian political propaganda to me. 1/3 of a country converting in the course of a year sounds unlikely.

This reads a lot like the typcial Sunni "Oh noes the crafty Persians are out to invade us!" line that we see in nominally Sunni nations where people are coming around to the Shia school of thought.

Well abna is not really an anti iranian website isnt it ?

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On ۱۳۹۶/۴/۱۳ at 1:04 PM, alidu78 said:

Well abna is not really an anti iranian website isnt it ?

Abna is a shia media that supports by Iran.

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Most of the Tajik people are Sunni Hanafi. Shiites of Tajikistan are divided into two groups of Shiite Imams and Shiites of Ismaili. About 90% of Shiites in Tajikistan living in Badakhshan are located in eastern and southeast Tajikistan in the foothills of Pamir, following the Ismaili religion, and 10% of them are Shiites of twelve Imams.

http://fa.wikishia.net/view/تاجیکستان

based on this chart 3/4 of muslims of Tajikistan in 2015 were shia muslims

they are a mix of Ismailis & Twelver shias

but they are under oppression of Wahabist & practicing taqiya

http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13930805001090

http://valiasr-aj.com/fa/page.php?bank=khabar&id=3441

Religious The religion of most Tajik people is Sunni and Hanafi branch. A small group of Ismaili Shiites live in the Pamirs in the Badakhshan region, from the Sunni Tajikistan to the Ahlul Bayt and the Shiite Imams, especially for Imam Ali (PBUH) and Imam Hussein (PBUH) and Imam Ja'far Sadiq (peace be upon him) They have a special respect and many wish to visit the pilgrimage of Imam Reza (PBUH). A group of Christian, Zoroastrian and Jewish minorities live in Tajikistan. Today religious freedom is freed by the independence of this country. However, the Tajik government's policy of separation from religion is based on politics. Due to the 70 years of communism in Central Asia and Tajikistan and its propaganda, religious beliefs have plummeted among the people. The elderly and middle aged people, of course, are affected by the religious spirit and Islamic culture, and Iranian culture is manifested in all aspects of their individual and social life and their moral characteristics. Ali's name (as) in Tajikistan is a holy name. The most commonly used name for male children is Ali and they are used by Fatima and Zahra. The ceremony of naming the children and insert their names behind the Holy Quran, marriage ceremonies, funerals, celebrations of the Feast and the night of the seventh and forty years, and the kind of mourning of women, etc., are in Iranian form.

3 hours ago, alidu78 said:

What do you think about numbers of Shia in Tajikistan? 

https://findit.state.gov/search?query=Shia&affiliate=dos_stategov&search=

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It should be noted that Tajiks speak a dialect of Farsi and ethnically belong to the same group (broadly construed) as Persians. The "Iranic" culture permeated the entirey of Khurasaan, which includes most of Afghanistan and Tajikistan, and they are actually the same race of people.

Therefore, it would not be surprising that many of these people would become Shia, as they are directly affected by the Persian speaking ulema of Iran for the last few centuries and have access to all the great works that have appeared in Farsi over the last 400 years.

33% in one year, however, sounds unbelievable. So does this:

10 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

based on this chart 3/4 of muslims of Tajikistan in 2015 were shia muslims

 

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13 minutes ago, Ayuoobi said:

It should be noted that Tajiks speak a dialect of Farsi and ethnically belong to the same group (broadly construed) as Persians.

countries such a Tajikistan , Azerbaijan ,Afghanistan turkmenistan ,in north west & north west were from Persian territory that taken from Iran by tsarina russia & GB during era of Qajar dynasty by force & Bahrain is separated during Pahlavi dynasty by a contract from Iran so they have Persian/Iranian/Shiite roots that after demolishing of Soviet Union are trying to back to their roots but they are under oppression of Wahabist of KSA & Their secular Governments.

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4 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

countries such a Tajikistan , Azerbaijan ,Afghanistan turkmenistan ,in north west & north west were from Persian territory that taken from Iran by tsarina russia & GB during era of Qajar dynasty by force & Bahrain is separated during Pahlavi dynasty by a contract from Iran so they have Persian/Iranian/Shiite roots that after demolishing of Soviet Union are trying to back to their roots but they are under oppression of Wahabist of KSA & Their secular Governments.

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The turks conquered Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan like a thousand years ago, and have inhabited those regions since. They are not ethnically Persian.

Tajikistan and Afghanistan, are Persians.

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2 minutes ago, Ayuoobi said:

The turks conquered Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan like a thousand years ago, and have inhabited those regions since. They are not ethnically Persian.

Tajikistan and Afghanistan, are Persians.

all of them have Persian roots but they are influenced by Turkish culture.

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20 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

all of them have Persian roots but they are influenced by Turkish culture.

The Persians were ethnically displaced and/or intermarried. The people there now are to be considered Turkic, not Persians.

Turkmen even have slanted eyes like the Mongols. Azeris not so much as they mixed with the Causus region's native populations.

This is the flow of history. In Iraq right now the people are not Sumerians or Babylonians, and very few Assyrians/Caldeons remain. The vast majority are considered Arabs. Likewise it is with the regions that were once upon a time Persian but are no longer.

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21 hours ago, Ayuoobi said:

same group (broadly construed) as Persians

The Tajiks are ethnically Iranian people, not Persian. Persians are another Iranian people, but we should take care not to think of Persian and Iranian synonymously. Iranian peoples refers to an ethno-linguistic group of people who speak languages from the Iranian branch of Indo-European languages. Persians are among this group of peoples, but are not the only Iranian People. In addition, most Tajiks speak the Tajik varieties of the Farsi language, but not all. Some speak other Iranian languages.

21 hours ago, Ayuoobi said:

The turks conquered Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan like a thousand years ago, and have inhabited those regions since. They are not ethnically Persian.

Turkic peoples are another ethno-linguistic group. Turkic peoples dominated large portions of Central Asia from the sixth century to the twelfth centuries AD and would harass empires such as the Persians and the Chinese, and eventually the Arab empires. The Oghuz Turks swept down from Central Asia through Iran and Iraq in the eleventh century AD and founded the Seljuk empire. A large population of these Oghuz Turks were in Azerbaijan and went on to form the Qaraquyunlu and Aqquyunlu confederations, from the latter the Safavids emerged to found their empire. Another large portion of the Oghuz Turks were found in Asia Minor where they had set up petty kingdoms, which would eventually be united under the Ottoman Turks who'd go on to conquer the Balkans up to Vienna and large parts of the Islamicate world as well. Turks were also found in Iraq where people as late as the twentieth century would write about how they would pilgrims and farmers. As you said, these Turks who would come to settle in the Islamicate world and found confederations and kingdoms in modern-day Turkey, Azerbaijan, Khorasan, and parts of Syria, Iraq, and Iran were not an Iranian people (interestingly though, like the Iranians millennia before them, they first were nomads in Central Asia before portions of them migrated south), they were Oghuz Turks, who themselves are part of the Turkic ethnic group. They obviously in contact with Iranian people including the Persian people, but, as you said, are not among the Iranian peoples.

21 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

all of them have Persian roots but they are influenced by Turkish culture.

Definitely not, see the above for why.

1 hour ago, Ayuoobi said:

Turkmen even have slanted eyes like the Mongols.

Interestingly enough medieval writers described the Turkmen (a generic term for Turkic people) as having epicanthic folds. A terracotta model even depicted a Turkish Ghulam soldier with such features.

 

 

 

A Note: It's very difficult to speak of ethnicity as you are doing. "Arab" is a good example of passing ethnicity. Iraqi, Lebanese, and Syrian people generally themselves Arab but two thousand years ago would definitely not have. When the Prophet was born the lingua franca of those regions would have been Syriac but one-hundred years later it was Arabic. By the Mongol incursions the majority of the people in those areas would have viewed themselves as Arab despite the fact that six-hundred years before the "Tayyaye" or "Saracens" were the savages to the south. Obviously there are very useful things to identify an ethnicity, such as shared cultural practices, shared religious and world views, shared languages (or language branches). But clearly ethnicity isn't something set in stone, rather a way people view themselves which can shift, evolve, and/or change with time. That's why it is the case that a Syrian wasn't Arab in the sixth century AD, but his descendant was Arab in the thirteenth century AD. That's why I said "ethno-linguistic" and not "ethnic", I was discussing ethnicity in the capacity of language, not as an abstract concept.

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9 minutes ago, Ibn Al-Ja'abi said:

The Tajiks are ethnically Iranian people, not Persian

 

9 minutes ago, Ibn Al-Ja'abi said:

It's very difficult to speak of ethnicity as you are doing.

 

9 minutes ago, Ibn Al-Ja'abi said:

That's why I said "ethno-linguistic" and not "ethnic", I was discussing ethnicity in the capacity of language, not as an abstract concept.


This is a question of definitions and the categories we want to impose on the world, rather than the phenomena themselves. The basic point is that Tajiks and what you are calling Persians, belong to the same ethno-linguistic group - regardless of the taxonomy you want to use.  But their shared lineage is different than that of the Iraqs and Lebanese, for example, who might have largely different lineages (one being derived from Phonecian peoples, the other from a mixture of Arab and Assyrian/Caldean peoples) and simply share the same language. What I am saying is that Tajiks and Persians share an ethnicity by blood descent. This, of course, does not follow down to the last man, but is a generality that is mostly true.

Now some linguists claim every dialect constitutes a different ethno-linguistic group but this is really a question of categories we're imposing on the world. If you want to get specific enough, each region in Tajikistan or Iran has a slightly different linguistic variation so you can divide people infinitely until you get to the individual man, who in some sense has a unique "language." I personally use mutual intelligibility, shared historical heritage (i.e. were the languages mutually intelligible a few centuries ago, if not today?), and blood descent as criteria.

The reason I did not say "Tajiks are ethnically Iranian people" is because even Pashtuns are Kurds are "ethnically Iranian people" (or more properly perhaps, Iranic people?.) But this does not capture accurately what I am trying to say, which is that they are not only Iranic people, but of a more closely related subset (which I called Persian, perhaps in contrast to standard taxonomies). The category of "Iranian peoples" is too broad because it includes more distant groups who speak mutually unintelligible languages, unless there is a distinction between Iranian and Iranic peoples I am unaware of here. 

Tl;dr use whatever terminology you want (or what's standard among anthropologists/linguists/historians), but realize these are categories we are imposing. It's not wrong to say Tajiks are Persians, unless we are defining Persians not as the ethnic group that historically populated the greater Khorasaan region, but as a particular group within the borders of the Iranian nation-state today. 

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6 minutes ago, Ibn Al-Ja'abi said:

That's why I said "ethno-linguistic" and not "ethnic", I was discussing ethnicity in the capacity of language, not as an abstract concept

Thanks nowadays we cant separate ethnics from each other by DNA & Genetics as we can similarity between all humans but by different attributes as you can find similar genes between different races most of differences are in Culture , Geography & Languages  

 

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On 1/1/2018 at 2:42 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

all of them have Persian roots but they are influenced by Turkish culture.

Farsi was the lingua franca of the region that helped administer the Turkic rule of entire Central and South Asia for around 1000 years. Farsi, i think, was the official language in India till 1870s because of their Turkic rulers- making the Iranian connection more linguistic and somewhat cultural than racial. Qajar or Safavids were also Turks as you know.

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Tajikistan: Authorities pin fresh deadly prison riot on Islamic State

Officials say there were more than 30 fatalities.    https://eurasianet.org/tajikistan-authorities-pin-fresh-deadly-prison-riot-on-Islamic-state

May 20, 2019

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A riot broke out at a high-security penitentiary outside Tajikistan’s capital over the weekend, claiming more than 30 fatalities among guards and prisoners.

Among those said to have been executed by other prisoners was Said Kiemitdin Gozi, a founding IRPT member who was abducted in St. Petersburg, Russia, in 2017 and then spirited to Tajikistan by security services.

President Emomali Rahmon alluded to Gozi in a speech last May during which he took a swipe at both the IRPT and Iran, with which Dushanbe has been engaged in a long-running spat.

“His pockets were filled with dollars from that country, which called itself our so-called friend,” Rahmon reportedly said. “He himself admitted that he accepted the Shiite faith and carried out the orders of the security services of that country against the Tajik nation.”

Gozi was later sentenced to 25 years in prison by the Supreme Court. That penalty was subsequently reduced to eight years.

The Justice Ministry also confirmed that another fatality was Abduusattor Karimov, a member of the IRPT’s supreme political council. In 2016, months after the party was banned, Karimov was sentenced to 26 years in prison for alleged involvement in a coup attempt. Payom, the IRPT’s website, had reported since that Karimov had been seized by heart failure and needed urgent hospitalization but that relatives were barred from visiting him.

The body of another IRPT member killed at Kirpichniy — party founder Said Kiemitdin Gozi — was buried without ceremony by the government. Gozi’s family were denied the opportunity to view the body and perform Islamic burial rituals.

https://eurasianet.org/tajikistan-authorities-pin-fresh-deadly-prison-riot-on-Islamic-state

https://eurasianet.org/tajikistan-opposition-party-accuses-government-of-prison-bloodshed-coverup

http://nose4news.net/tag/kiemitdin-gozi/

Among those killed in Sunday’s riot was Kiemitdin Gozi, a founding member of IRPT, who was serving eight years jail term for carrying out anti-national activities for Iran’s security services. Tajikistan’s security officials had abducted Gozi in St Petersburg, Russia, in 2017 and brought him back to the country.

http://nose4news.net/is-behind-deadly-prison-riot-say-tajikistan/

http://en.abna24.com/news//32-killed-as-daesh-militants-riot-at-tajik-prison_942891.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/20/tajikistan-prison-riot-guards-inmates-killed-isis-militants

https://www.france24.com/en/20190520-prison-riot-tajikistan-leaves-32-dead

https://www.dw.com/cda/en/Islamic-state-militants-riot-in-tajik-prison-dozens-dead/a-48800033

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tajikistan-prison-riot/Islamic-state-militants-riot-in-tajik-prison-32-killed-idUSKCN1SQ0AW

https://www.yjc.ir/en/news/31235/at-least-13-killed-in-tajik-prison-riot-sources

The IRPT has been an influential party with representatives in the government and parliament, but it was deemed a terrorist group and forbidden since 2015.

Officials said they also identified three high-ranking IRPT officials among the dead in the prion riot: Fakhriddin Gulov, Said Kiemitdin Gozi, and Abduusattor Karimov.

https://www.ntd.com/32-killed-after-isis-prisoners-allegedly-instigate-riot-in-tajikistan_332119.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Renaissance_Party_of_Tajikistan

https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/سید_قیام‌الدین_غازی

https://tg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Сайид_Қиёмиддини_Ғозӣ

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Said Kiemitdin Gozi was sentenced to 25 years in prison

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Torture, severe pressure by Tajik government on family members of Shahid Ghazi

http://en.abna24.com/news//torture-severe-pressure-by-tajik-government-on-family-members-of-shahid-ghazi_944929.html

May 28, 2019 - 8:11 PM News Code : 944929 Source : ABNA24Link: 

Torture, severe pressure by Tajik government on family members of Shahid Ghazi

 

A week after the martyrdom of Allameh Sayyid Qayamuddin Ghazi and a number of other oppressed prisoners in Tajikistan, the pressure on his close relatives continues.

According to Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA), a week after the martyrdom of Allameh Sayyid Qayamuddin Ghazi and a number of other oppressed prisoners in Tajikistan, the pressure on his close relatives continues. 

After the senior cleric Ghazi was beheaded in a suspicious incident in a Tajikistan's prison in Vahdat region, his body was buried under strange circumstances. 

The Tajik government did not allow the funeral to be held by his disciples or family members, and buried the body even without special prayer
while thousands of his followers and relatives were ready to bid farewell to this innocent Shahid. 

Tajik security officials have assigned a number of guardians to prevent people from going near Shahid Ghazi's burial place. 

In another strange and brutal act, the brothers and sons of that martyr have been attacked without any charges! 

Two children of the martyr Ghazi, who have no special activity against the Tajik regime, were arrested and tortured after the martyrdom on the same day instead of expressing condolences! 

As a result of these torture, one of his children is now hospitalized; and one brother and another child are constantly harassed and interrogated! 

The Tajik government has been putting pressure on the families of the prison's victims instead of compensating for its failure to provide security of the prisoners or clarifying the incident and showing sympathy towards the families of the victims. 

Continuing this inhumane process can lead to the intervention of Human Rights Organizations and Amnesty International into the event, which will have negative consequences for the Tajik government. 

On Sunday, 19 May 2019, five prisoners and three guards were killed by insurgent ISIS members in a suspicious unrest in a jail of Vahdat District in Tajikistan, Allameh Sayyid Qayamuddin Ghazi, one of founders of Islamic Movement party of Tajikistan, Abdol Sattar Karimov Samadvich, Member of the Supreme Council of the Islamic Movement Party and Sayyed Mahdi Khan Sattarov, one of Sufism were among the prisoners slaughtered in front of the eyes of other prisoners with knife. 

Some political observers have described the conflict as a conspiratorial plan designed and implemented to eliminate a number of political prisoners. 

However, the Tajik government, which claims that ISIS committed this crime, should answer why the government did not allow the funeral ceremony or funeral prayer to be offered on the body of Shahid Qayamuddin Ghazi and Shahid Sayyid Mehdi Khan Sattarov, and is also strongly opposing the innocent family of Shahid Ghazi?

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:bismillah:

:salam:

I've spoken to several Tajik students here in Qom, Iran. Practicing Muslims, both Sunni and Shi'ah, are under a lot of pressure in Tajikistan and some of the students of al-Mustafa International University have been imprisoned upon returning and in some cases, their families have been imprisoned in order to pressure them to return to the country. One neighbour recently told me another student's wife and kids are in Tajikistan and under great pressure for him to return. He said this student won't return because the government will torture him and kill him if he returns so he's going to stay in Iran permanently. 

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Photos: Commemoration ceremony for martyr Allameh Ghazi held in Qom

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June 30, 2019 - 4:47 PM News Code : 956388 Source : ABNA24Link: 

 

Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA): Concurrent with the martyrdom anniversary of Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام), a ceremony was held at Imam Khomeyni Specialized University in Qom on Thursday to mark the 40th day after the martyrdom of Allameh Sayyid Qayamuddin Ghazi and a number of other oppressed prisoners in Tajikistan. The ceremony was organized by the Ahlul Bayt World Assembly in cooperation with other institutions.

گزارش تصویری/ مراسم بزرگداشت چهلمین روز شهادت \

 

گزارش تصویری/ مراسم بزرگداشت چهلمین روز شهادت \

 

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