Who Created Allah

[thirsty seeker]

I believe in Allah subhanahu,

but in rcent talk one prsn said

just as we r born who created Allah ?what was there before Allah??

Allah created us then who created Allah?

U can post ur aqeeda by stories, shayris,kalams,hadis etc

[Saintly_Jinn23]

Sura Al-Ikhlas:

Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

And there is none like unto Him.

God simply exists and always will, there is no beginning or end to him, he just is. For some this is hard concept to swallow, but I compare God's absolute and eternal existence to mathematics something else that very much is absolute that there is no real beginning or end to.

Edited December 25, 2010 by Saintly_Jinn23

[abu4life]

good question..........

same thing on my mind

i justified it to ma self.....this is how...

1-one alim writes that Allah is power and power is self generating,so the question of who created him does not arise...

2-on oneness of Allah our master Imam Ali(as) says that oneness means that you should not subject Allah swt to the limitations of your imagination,which simply means we should not try to define Allah swt....cause everything that can b defined or contained is finite and Allah is infinite....

3-SV Mir Ahmed in his translation of sura ikhlaas says that "SAY HE Allah IS ONE" means not that Allah is one in number as a number can b added subtracted or multiplied,he is one in the sense of absolute oneness..n that why the sura uses the word ahad to describe his oneness and does not use the word wahid which means one....

4 lastly i feel lets leave this question to Allah himself and pray to him that he guides us to the answer......

hope i helped u and even if i did not then do pray for me...

take care....

[shiasoldier]

Salaam.

From the theory of causality, we find that for every effect there needs to be a cause. however, there needs to be an origin to this : it needs to begin with an un-caused cause, to actually start this chain of cause and effect.

and hence, the un-caused cause is Allah (s.w.t) which tells us that God wasn't created by any thing or any one. He has been there, and He shall remain to be.

W.salaam!

[Faris-Al-Hujjat]

Salaam.

From the theory of causality, we find that for every effect there needs to be a cause. however, there needs to be an origin to this : it needs to begin with an un-caused cause, to actually start this chain of cause and effect.

and hence, the un-caused cause is Allah (s.w.t) which tells us that God wasn't created by any thing or any one. He has been there, and He shall remain to be.

W.salaam!

Asak,

Maybe this will help.

during a similar conversation with a catholic christian, she insisted that GOD is Over the Power of Imagination of any normal human, just like the many things that keep us wobbled & confused in life, just so that we quest and find out the knowledge and logic behind everyday mysteries, - i somehow agree to that for the simple reason of the post in question here !

May Be Allah swt only wants humans to understand HIM - THE ALMIGHTY through HIS ever present signs and simple leads that HE keeps for us to try to believe in..

Probably 3 types of Beliefs exist in THE CREATOR..

1) Ilm Al Yaqeen - Belief through knowledge - {regular human belief with out sight of GOD}

2) Ain Ul Yaqeen - Belief through Sight - {e.g. Musa (as) also known as Kaleem ULLAH due to his direct contact of Allah & Mohammad (pbuh) after His Holy voyage to the Mi'iraag}

3) Haqq Ul Yaqeen - Belief through Truth - {To Know that Allah exists by a complete and perfect Imaan filled Heart }

and if you know these you may know Allah

As for the question of creation, Allah is THE CREATOR (AL KHALIQ).. & hence Allah cannot be created .. HE is THE FIRST (AL AWWAL) .. .which means None is before HIM ,... HE is the EVERPRESENT (AL DAAI'IM) ... we cannot with our limited human knowledge & power even start to imagine that..

Wasalaam ala man Itaba'a al haqq al mubeen

[Ya Baqiyatullah (aj)]

Salaam.

From the theory of causality, we find that for every effect there needs to be a cause. however, there needs to be an origin to this : it needs to begin with an un-caused cause, to actually start this chain of cause and effect.

and hence, the un-caused cause is Allah (s.w.t) which tells us that God wasn't created by any thing or any one. He has been there, and He shall remain to be.

W.salaam!

+1

If you go in the scheme, of "Who created that" and then go on, you will find yourself in the loop of "What came first, the chicken or the egg?". There needs to be an original cause, and original state. When there was NOTHING, there was God. As humans we are creatures, so we are limited to being "created". The original "creator" is devoid of needing to be created, we need an infusion of sperm and egg to develop. The original creator, Allah, is free from this need. He created everything and controls everything and all creations returns to Him. Think of Allah as the starting point of everything, t=0.

[guest022017a]

Muhammad ibn al-Hassan has narrated from Sahl ibn Ziyad from al-Hassan ibn Mahbub from

Ali ibn Ri’ab from abu Basir From Imam abu Ja‘ far (a.s.) who has said the following.

"Speak about the creation of Allah and do not speak about Allah His-self. Speaking about the

Allah’s self does not increase anything to one’s knowledge except more confusion."

In another Hadith from Hariz it reads, "Speak about every thing but do not speak about

Allah’s self."

Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from ibn abu ‘Umayr from abu Ayyub from

Muhammad ibn Muslim from Imam abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) who has said the following.

"O Muhammad, people rationalize everything. They even speak about Allah’s self. When you

hear such discources, say to them ‘There is no god but Allah, the One and no one is similar to

Him.’"

A group of our people has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Khalid from some of his

people from al-Husayn ibn al-Mayyah from his father from Imam abu ‘Abdallh (a.s.) who has

said the following.

"He who thinks of how and when about Allah he has met his doomed."

A group of our people has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Khalid from

Muhammad ibn 'Abdal Hamid from al-‘Ala' ibn Razin from Muhammad ibn Muslim from

Imam abu Ja‘far (a.s.) who has said the following.

"Beware of thinking about Allah’s self. If you would like to think about the greatness of

Allah, think about His great and wonderful creations."

[guest022017a]

Muhammad ibn abu ‘Abdallah in a marfu‘ manner has narrated from Imam abu ‘Abdallah (a.

s.) who has said the following.

"O son of Adam, if a bird were to feed upon your heart, it would not satisfy its hunger. Only

the eye of a needle, if placed over your eye, would be totally cover your vision. With such

(insignificant) means of perception how would you comprehend (Allah's) vast dominion over

the earth and the heavens? And if you think you can do so, there is the sun, one of creatures of

Allah. If your eyes can see the sun fully you then may think that you are right."

[tabiimalik]

agreed

Sura Al-Ikhlas:

Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

And there is none like unto Him.

God simply exists and always will, there is no beginning or end to him, he just is. For some this is hard concept to swallow, but I compare God's absolute and eternal existence to mathematics something else that very much is absolute that there is no real beginning or end to.

[babulal]

Salam Alaikum -

Surat 'Āli `Imrān (Family of Imran) - http://quran.com/3

3:2 - Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists.

3:4 - Aforetime, as a guidance to mankind, And He sent down the criterion [of judgement between right and wrong (this Quran)]. Truly, those who disbelieve in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, for them there is a severe torment; and Allah is All-Mighty, All-Able of Retribution.

3:7 - It is He Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding

3:18 - Allah (Himself) is Witness that there is no Allah save Him. And the angels and the men of learning (too are witness). Maintaining His creation in justice, there is no Allah save Him the Almighty, the Wise.

3:19 - Surely the (true) religion with Allah is Islam, and those to whom the Book had been given did not show opposition but after knowledge had come to them, out of envy among themselves; and whoever disbelieves in the revelations/ayats of Allah then surely Allah is quick in reckoning

Surat Al-Qaşaş (The Stories)

28:88 - And invoke not any other ilah (god) along with Allah, La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). Everything will perish save His Face. His is the Decision, and to Him you (all) shall be returned.

BTW, if you're talking to a Jew than ask him to recite his prayer aka "shema" - if he doesn't know, help him out - refer him to

Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is ONE (1 in hebrew is pronounced as "Ekhad")

Some 1,500 years later, someone asked Hazrat Issa (as), who is God, and he replied;

Mark 12:29 "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE. (again the word "Ekhad") - why he did that, because he was there to follow the law of Hazrat Musa, letter by letter

Some 500 years later

A delegation of Christian missionary came to see the Prophet of Allah, and one of them asked the Prophet (as) of what his concept of God was, and Allah made him recite sura ikhlas and how does this sura ends? With the magic word of "AHAD"

Another interesting factoid

Socrates was an early Greek philosopher, as you all know. In 399 B.C., he was charged with denying the existence of the gods of the state and in turn creating new divinities. By teaching, he was corrupting the youth of Athens. He pleaded his case in Plato's Apology, but he was eventually convicted and executed. Socrates always referred to God in the "singular" aka "One" aka "Ekhad & Ahad" , and ridiculed the worship of multiple gods, which got him arrested. He was against the concept of "Co" existance. His point was, if there are two gods, then what's the importance of any, plus he said, the God who runs this world, as he knew it, will not share the power with another god...the world in his opinion was too perfect for there to be more than one creator - can there be another Ali or can there be another Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) or can there be another you?

With that being said, i think the merrit of this Question is baseless and pointless - Its a WRONG Question - I would argue the merits of the "Question" itself and specially the one who's asking -

Allah Hafiz

[BaZaRi]

The question of who created god is based on wrong foundations.

When we say something has been created eg a house, it means that there was nothing before and it came into existence at some point in time.

Now it is god that that created NOTHING and created TIME

Limiting god to concepts that he created is not possible because it is he who created everything.

If we are to say that there was nothing before god, it would be wrong because god created this "nothing"

it it god who started creating and the concept of creation came from him. Now if he started "creation", to limit his existence to his own creation would be wrong; else one would ask what was creation like before god. And as mentioned above, there can not be a situation of before god as the questions that relate to before and after are in relation to time.

eg before noon, after i left, before we ate, after dinner etc. And it is god who created time, so to limit him to his own creation would be pointless.

[Abbas0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ePrUiPhY9c

Thats the closest we can describe Allah (swt) as Imam Ali said

[alimohamad40]

salaam

the reason we asked who created this and who created that is because all of these THINGS are finite and bound by time and space

once you strip the factor of time and space away then there is no meaning for a start or an end or boundaries.

god is the only logical solution to this logical dillema. if you say we are created by A god who is limited then the question would be valid when they ask " who created god"

however if you reach the logical solution which is that the creator of all creators and the cause of all causes is the undefined, infinite who is not bound by any dimensions therefore he will not need a creator or an initiator

god can not be defined as definition is limitation hence you can not time or partition what can not be defined.

[Mohamad Latiff]

Bismillahirrahmaanirraheem.

Allah is not in the category of THAT WHICH IS CREATED (i.e. creation), but He is the Creator. Anyway, Allah cannot be put in any category since that would be akin to limiting Him or putting Him in a box so to speak.

It is our mind's limited faculty that we cannot fully perceive or comprehend what Allah is.

We just know (or are told that) Allah IS.

Another thing about Causality is that although the whole of creation works under this Principle or Law, Allah is beyond it.

[the Neo]

This is an impossible question to the extent that it's a 'Wrong Question'..

[the Neo]

Muhammad ibn abu ‘Abdallah in a marfu‘ manner has narrated from Imam abu ‘Abdallah (a.

s.) who has said the following.

"O son of Adam, if a bird were to feed upon your heart, it would not satisfy its hunger. Only

the eye of a needle, if placed over your eye, would be totally cover your vision. With such

(insignificant) means of perception how would you comprehend (Allah's) vast dominion over

the earth and the heavens? And if you think you can do so, there is the sun, one of creatures of

Allah. If your eyes can see the sun fully you then may think that you are right."

SubhanAllah.

[The Exalted One]

Cause and effect and the process of bringing something into existence [and other laws of universe] are the set of laws God made, controls and directs, in order to govern and organize his creation, he isn't bind to the law as he is distinct from his creation. He is the originator, governor, director of these laws, he isn't governed by them as he IS the governor.

[asharp]

Muhammad ibn al-Hassan has narrated from Sahl ibn Ziyad from al-Hassan ibn Mahbub from

Ali ibn Ri’ab from abu Basir From Imam abu Ja‘ far (a.s.) who has said the following.

"Speak about the creation of Allah and do not speak about Allah His-self. Speaking about the

Allah’s self does not increase anything to one’s knowledge except more confusion."

In another Hadith from Hariz it reads, "Speak about every thing but do not speak about

Allah’s self."

Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from ibn abu ‘Umayr from abu Ayyub from

Muhammad ibn Muslim from Imam abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) who has said the following.

"O Muhammad, people rationalize everything. They even speak about Allah’s self. When you

hear such discources, say to them ‘There is no god but Allah, the One and no one is similar to

Him.’"

A group of our people has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Khalid from some of his

people from al-Husayn ibn al-Mayyah from his father from Imam abu ‘Abdallh (a.s.) who has

said the following.

"He who thinks of how and when about Allah he has met his doomed."

A group of our people has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Khalid from

Muhammad ibn 'Abdal Hamid from al-‘Ala' ibn Razin from Muhammad ibn Muslim from

Imam abu Ja‘far (a.s.) who has said the following.

"Beware of thinking about Allah’s self. If you would like to think about the greatness of

Allah, think about His great and wonderful creations."

+1000000000000000

Thats the problem nowerdays people try to think how does God do this and how does God do that?

Allah has given us 5 senses and thats what our reality exists within. He is outside our senses and we will never be able to comprehend his excelency. Ie if we were born Blind and never experianced vision how would someone explain the color Blue to me? I will be like HRMMMMMMMMMMM too much confusion.

[Basim Ali]

(salam),

If God was created, He would be a creation. Now, The Absolute Creator being a creation Himself is a complete paradox. Also, for one to be created, there needs to be a particular time at which one was created and a particular place where one was created. Time and place being creations of the God, how then can He be created? Finally, if He was created, what triggered His creation? Whatever it was, why is 'that thing' not God since it clearly predates God and 'created' God, thereby is/was superior to God (Nauzubillah)?

Simply put: He has no beginning nor end, and because He simply can not. A start and an end (a limited life) are attributes of the created, not the Creator.

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He is the First and the Last and the Ascendant (over all) and the Knower of hidden things, and He is Cognizant of all things. (57:3)

And ofcourse:

áóãú íóáöÏú æóáóãú íõæáóÏú {3}

He begets not, nor is He begotten. (112:3)

wa (salam)

[thirsty seeker]

Thankyou All of you,

I testify La ilaha illa Hu.......

Now my point is how we can justify God, wen all his creations are justified by logic,like why sun sets,moon has its definite path,why rainbow occur, all points are logically justified by science and in which God does not play any role...........

How can we prove logically that only God has power over all??

Shukran......

[Ruq]

I guess i'm just echoing other people here, but my answer would be that our concepts are always going to be too limited to fully grasp the ultimate. Even if you want to take God out of the equation, the same applies. Our experience of the universe is extremely limited; in dunya there is always a beginning and an end to everything, so the conept of infinity and forever is too abstract for our minds to fully grasp (this includes any attempt by scientists to do so).

[asharp]

Thankyou All of you,

I testify La ilaha illa Hu.......

Now my point is how we can justify God, wen all his creations are justified by logic,like why sun sets,moon has its definite path,why rainbow occur, all points are logically justified by science and in which God does not play any role...........

How can we prove logically that only God has power over all??

Shukran......

Simple. We see a design with the sun setting and the sun rising. We see design in the Moons position. We see design inthe earths rotation.

Logic tells me that "every design has a designer"

:)

[Peak Of Eloquence]

If someone comes with a question like this, then tell him, who created time. You mentioned that he said "just as we r born who created Allah ?what was there before Allah??" Just like Allah, time has always been there. We humans have a varied amount of intellect, and so it is beyond our capability and are thinking to even question the existence of God. We in this world know that something must be born to become alive.

God Has Power Over All.

God has the ability to turn mountains into dust, to turn the sun into ice, to cause the ocean to disappear, to cause the trees to crumble to the ground.

If God has power over all things, how can you prove God has power when all these natural disasters happen around the world?

Simply, everything in this world has a cause and effect. If I chuck a stone at you, you will feel it wouldn't you? This is exactly what happens in this world. Allah has made this world run exactly on a cause and effect system. This is only for our benefit. Without these cause and effects, the Earth would not be stable. One example; The Earth rotates along its axis. The effect is that different parts of the planet gets night time and day time. Different parts on the planet are a sleep or awake. People are at work, or in their bed. This is what the cause and effect is about. Now, Allah has put this in for our benefit. And if he was to change it, it would disrupt the pattern of nature, and everything would fall out of balance. Like a chain reaction.

[Muhammed Ali]

Tell me what you think: Who Created God

[El Peace]

I believe in Allah subhanahu,

but in rcent talk one prsn said

just as we r born who created Allah ?what was there before Allah??

Allah created us then who created Allah?

U can post ur aqeeda by stories, shayris,kalams,hadis etc

I asked my Islamic Studies teacher this when I was younger. She almost slapped me. Lol.

So I started thinking to myself. Lets say Allah was created for example. So then who created His creator? And who created His creator's creator? And who created His creator's creator's creator? Do you see where I'm going? So at the end of the day, it had to have started somewhere. Looking for an answer to such a question is impossible.

Because we are created with minds of a small capacity, we like to think everything is created. Just like us. And so some people ask that question. But the only possible answer is: It had to start off somewhere. How? Why? Allah is the All-Knowing.

[El Peace]

Now my point is how we can justify God, wen all his creations are justified by logic,like why sun sets,moon has its definite path,why rainbow occur, all points are logically justified by science and in which God does not play any role...........

How can we prove logically that only God has power over all??

The sun rises to provide light to earth so that man can work and earn during the day. It provides energy for the plants through photosynthesis, and that way they grow and we eat from them. It then sets so that man can get rest at night and at the same time provide light for the others on the opposite hemisphere. The sun reflects it's light to the moon so that there is still light at night. The other suns (stars) are used to provide a path for the night travellers. The moon has a definite path so that it provides light for everyone on earth. And it must revolve around the earth in order to reflect the suns light. This is the only way day and night will exist and the importance of those is mentioned in the Quran:

--sura 55, verse 5:

"The sun and moon (are subjected) to calculations"

--sura 6, verse 96:

"(God) appointed the night for rest and the sun and the moon for reckoning."

--sura 14, verse 33:

"For you (God) subjected the sun and the moon, both diligently pursuing their courses. And for you He subjected the night and the day."

--sura 36, verse 39: God is speaking:

"And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she returns like an old shriveled palm branch."

--sura 16, verse 12:

"For you (God) subjected the night and the day, the sun and the moon; the stars are in subjection to His Command. Verily in this are signs for people who are wise."

--sura 6, verse 97:

"(God) is the One Who has set out for you the stars, that you may guide yourselves by them through the darkness of the land and of the sea. We have detailed the signs for people who know."

--sura 16, verse 16:

"(God sets on the earth) landmarks and by the stars (men) guide themselves."

--sura 10, verse 5:

"God is the One Who made the sun a shining glory and the moon a light and for her ordained mansions, so that you might know the number of years and the reckoning (of the time). God created this in truth. He explains the signs in detail for people who know."

Through all this, science has discovered the different wavelengths and spectrum of light. They discovered that at different wavelengths, different colours are formed, etc. Science did not create this, it only discovered this.

Like how the two oceans do not mix. Allah created this and is proved in the Quran. Science only proved it by seeing that it did not mix due to different temperature and salt concentration.

"He hath loosed the two seas. They meet. (19) There is a barrier between them. They encroach not (one upon the other) (20)" [Al-Quran, Chapter 55]

These discoveries are important in that we must know how things work. This way scientists can discover (again I do not say create) new and easier ways of performing everyday duties. That is the purpose of scientists. For example, the Quran mentions various fruits and vegetables and it says they are good for ones health. All scientists did was prove it by seeing the effects they had on the body. And the fruit Allah created give signs of where these fruits/vegetables would be useful for. Figs for example when sliced in half have the same morphology as a man's testes. Science proves that figs are good for a man's fertility. Olives are shaped like a woman's ovaries. Science proves they are good for the fertility of woman. And the Quran speaks about the creation of man with figs and olives:

"By the fig and the olive, (1) By Mount Sinai, (2) And by this land made safe; (3) Surely We created man of the best stature (4)" [Al-Quran, Chapter 95]

One cannot say that because Science justifies the purposes of all these, Allah has no role. Allah is the only One that actually has a role because He is the Creator. Scientists are the discoverers. Besides, what would be the purpose of scientists if Allah hadn't created all these. Therefore, one cannot give scientists the power of being the creators. One can only thank them for discovering the blessings of Allah.

Subhan Allah.

[eThErEaL]

I believe in Allah subhanahu,

but in rcent talk one prsn said

just as we r born who created Allah ?what was there before Allah??

Allah created us then who created Allah?

U can post ur aqeeda by stories, shayris,kalams,hadis etc

Because God is not like creation to need a creator.

[Abu Nur]

I believe in Allah subhanahu,

but in rcent talk one prsn said

just as we r born who created Allah ?what was there before Allah??

Allah created us then who created Allah?

U can post ur aqeeda by stories, shayris,kalams,hadis etc

"Allah (SWT) gave beginning to everything so that everything would know that He has no beginning, and so that everything would know that those who have a beginning are incapable of giving a beginning to others" ~ Imam al-Rida (as)

[Abu Nur]

Salaam Aleikum,

"Allah was Lord even when there were no subjects. He was the One and Only True God even when no creation existed. He was All-Knowing even when there was nothing to be known. He was the Creator even before the creation existed. He was the All-Hearing even when there was nothing to be heard. He did not earn the title of Creator merely because of creation. He did not earn the title of Creator merely because he gave the created a beginning.

And how could it be otherwise when the conjunction 'since' [mudh] does not make Him obscure? The word 'may' [qad] does not approach Him. The expression 'perhaps' [la'alla] does not veil Him. The conjuction 'when' [mata] does not set a time limit for Him. The expression 'at the time when' [hina] does not comprise Him. The word 'with' [ma'a] does not unite Him with anything. Verily, particles bind together, and tools point to things similar to themselves to show their effectiveness. The conjunction 'since' prevents Him from being without beginning. The word 'may' prevents Him from being eternal. The conjunction 'if not' [law la] prevents Him from being Complete; thus indicating division..."

[Suleman786]

Ok simply put

If you tholink simple mathematics and logical you get your answer. this question is always asked by Evolutionst Atheist in debates. All you ask them is

what was before?

So if they say bacteria you say "what was before that"

They will say cell say "what was before that"

They will say the big bang say "what was before that"

They will say rocks moving around say "what was before that"

They will say Gasses in space say "what was before that"

They will say chemicals say "what was before that"

The simple answer is there must be a beginning.

Simple mathematics

0x0 = 0, better yet 0 x EVRYTHING still equals 0 There had to have been a chemical imbalance at the very beginning for life to evolve. So it means that a pair of chemicals must have mixed to create something. But we must remember that for there to be an inbalance there must have been 2 chemicals CREATED. For them to mix in such a perfect way to create life as we know it now they must have been created by 1 and purposely inbalanced

There was life before us. Adama and Eve were the first of our times however.

[MHSK2011]

(bismillah)

(salam)

If somebody had created Allah so we wont worship him we would worship the one created him!!!!!!simple.....

(wasalam)

[Guest]

Salaams,

I found this video on Youtube where this question is answered beauitifully by Hasnain Rajjabali:

You should tell this person that God is absolute and we are relative, we cannot comprehend the absolute because we do not have the thinking capicity to do so since we are relative. We are bound by time and space whereas God created time and space, He existed before then, for eternity which has no numerical value to it.

Imam Ali (a.s) puts it beauitiful in Nahjol Balagha:

"Praise is due to Allah whose worth cannot be described by speakers, whose bounties cannot be counted by calculators and whose claim (to obedience) cannot be satisfied by those who attempt to do so, whom the height of intellectual courage cannot appreciate, and the divings of understanding cannot reach; He for whose description no limit has been laid down, no eulogy exists, no time is ordained and no duration is fixed. He brought forth creation through His Omnipotence, dispersed winds through His Compassion, and made firm the shaking earth with rocks.

The foremost in religion is the acknowledgement of Him, the perfection of acknowledging Him is to testify Him, the perfection of testifying Him is to believe in His Oneness, the perfection of believing in His Oneness is to regard Him Pure, and the perfection of His purity is to deny Him attributes, because every attribute is a proof that it is different from that to which it is attributed and everything to which something is attributed is different from the attribute. Thus whoever attaches attributes to Allah recognises His like, and who recognises His like regards Him two; and who regards Him two recognises parts for Him; and who recognises parts for Him mistook Him; and who mistook Him pointed at Him; and who pointed at Him admitted limitations for Him; and who admitted limitations for Him numbered Him.

Whoever said in what is He, held that He is contained; and whoever said on what is He held He is not on something else. He is a Being but not through phenomenon of coming into being. He exists but not from non-existence. He is with everything but not in physical nearness. He is different from everything but not in physical separation. He acts but without connotation of movements and instruments. He sees even when there is none to be looked at from among His creation. He is only One, such that there is none with whom He may keep company or whom He may miss in his absence."

http://www.al-islam.org/nahj/

[xstatik2]

Well i am pretty sure Allah (SWT) knew there will be a day when his believers would question his presence. Rather the Shaitaan would compel the believers into subconsciously thinking about the presence of God -- Asking one's self "Is there really a God" and if there IS a God (like we believe there is) we should be able to see him and since we can't there has to be a force greater than him who must have created such an entity -- one which cannot be seen or heard yet millions and billions of people worshipped him, will do so and the numbers keep growing.

So he has sent down his Holy Books which serve as guidance, and has sent down 1,24,000 messengers who have spoken of him and his existence and has sent down the Imam's ... one of whom is watching over us as we delve deeply into our thoughts. Forcing ourselves to reconcile that YES ... he is there. But imagine him in his entireity through the teachings of the Imams, the Messengers and the Holy Books and you would know that they are pure.

So if the light of God has been seen through them (ones who are exalted and pure) can you fathom the purity of Allah (SWT) ??? Would you want to know if he was still created ?? Would you get into that mindset or would you be as meek as a mouse ??

Food for thought :)

[Hassan_S]

I believe in Allah subhanahu,

but in rcent talk one prsn said

just as we r born who created Allah ?what was there before Allah??

Allah created us then who created Allah?

U can post ur aqeeda by stories, shayris,kalams,hadis etc

Saamualaykum

Allah is one and there is none compariable to him

In order to have a beginning and end one has to be bound within time.

Allah swt created time so he has no beginning nor end

Wassalam

[ana_ma3a_al_haq]

who thinks like this has a very week Imaan