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My Experience With A Jinn

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Don't listen to him.

Was the prophet crazy when he heard angelic voices speaking to him?

Sure today's psychologist and their lies would have labeled him with some complicated disease to try to silence him, but we know that the other side communicates with us because it happened many times before. In high school they told me the same and laughed at me when I told them about Jinns, but now my eyes are open and I see I was not the only one.

Mate this isn't Scientology where we are allergic to medical treatment, and it certainly isn't 'high school'

God gave us medical tools to deal with various illnesses including mental ones. What the Prophet sees and what a random joe sees may be completely different things.

If this person has been suffering for 5 years with this issue, then he likely needs to see a specialist.

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Salam,

I had an experience with jins than took control of a woman. I spoke to the jins (through the woman and woman voice changed). Apparently, the jins were warriors from of the past. Once the woman is possessed, she became very strong and can hit several men with no problem. I told the jins, please don't bother the woman and anyone else, and just leave us. Of cause, I threaten the jins too and I also let them the ways out if they want to. After a few minutes of conversation, jins decided to leave the woman. The woman recovered and has no more problem.

It was an interesting experience and I treated it as learning experience interfacing the Jins. I think the best way to handle the Jins is to tell the them that you want them to leave, or else you tell them that you will report their case to Imam Zaman (as) and seek help from Imam (as) to deal with them. The Jins should not bother us and we should not bother them.

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I don't know if there is any truth to your story, and I hope I don't offend you - but from what I know, just telling a jinn to leave and expecting that it will, is another myth.

MRI scans and seeing a doctor isn't enough, you need to see professionals dealing with mental health issues. There is no shame in it, and it's where inshallah you'll find your solution via a therapy programme and medication.

From the sounds of things, nothing else is likely to work with you.

Best of luck

Thank you, but I am neither ashamed nor afraid, and plenty well certain - if you want to help me out, find me a trustworthy scholar who is an 'aarif and in a position to help someone like me, and that scholar will be my witness. This is a jinn, and nothing else.

Do youboil water with saffron, nothing else is done with it?

Just water and saffron - at the time I wanted to add something to thicken the liquid, but I was afraid that I might dilute whatever effects the saffron was going to have so I didn't.

(wasalam)

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I don't know if there is any truth to your story, and I hope I don't offend you - but from what I know, just telling a jinn to leave and expecting that it will, is another myth.

(wasalam)

Salam,

It is no offend to me Bro. The method may works for me, but it may not work for you. Of cause, I threatened the jinns if they don't leave.

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with no disrespect meant, but maybe go see a therapist or psychologist

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Yea I agree, you really need to see a professional. The shaytan did a number on your perception of reality.

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I believe what Brother Sajjad has said, and his story is very fascinating. It has made me analyze moments of my own life, where i have felt as though i'd never be cheerful again. - And yes! This is very much like Harry Potter. Perhaps the presence of particular jinns does make you feel like that, and cold and horrid... *shudders*

My brothers and sisters, i just want to say. Make sure you find that happy thought (forgive me for sounding cheesy or corny, but this is the truth) and make sure that you are able to conjure this happiness even at the darkest of times. It can be a simple thought, even as simple as the fact that you are on the straight path, and nothing can make you sway from it.

The Jinn that would dare haunt a believer are the "Dementors" of the Dajjal system and our prayers are the "patronus", taking the bright white form of the imaam of our time (the best of forms).

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hey guys salam alaykum,

wanted to ask a question maybe you guys would have an answer concerning jinn. ..

so we all know that Sayedna Sulayman (as) used to deal with jinn normally, and that he asked of Allah swt to make him the last person who can do that in halal fashion .. and this is the "Seal of Solomon" right?

we also know that even though it is haram to communicate with jinn, the evil people still do .. they deal with devil jinn to help them in all kinds of ways .. for price of their souls and innocent blood.

anyway, imagine this scenario: the seal of Solomon (as) is undone .. Allah is capable of all .. then we can unite with muslim jinn and help each other .

does that make sense??? it's a crazy idea i know, but it's been on my mind for a while now ...

please give me your opinions,

thanks,

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I am just making a suggestion (This is not backed up by any hadith or anything, but it's just a thought, so don't take it too seriously) but perhaps in the era after the Dajjal, his minions and gog and magog have been annihilated, the imaam will establish such a wonderful world that people will not have the ill desire to use jinn for evil purposes? In such a world, perhaps an inter-dimensional bond between man and jinn could be halal and harmonious?

...What am i saying?? This is irrelevant, and you should probably not think of such things for two reasons:

1. We are not living in such a world. Ours is corrupt, and the only people who use jinn are evil-doers and people who want to control the world.

2. It is very easy to begin swaying towards such scary desires. Communication with the jinn is haram, forbidden, not allowed! And for good reason. You should thank god that we are (for the most part) blind to the unseen. If we could see everything that goes on around us, we would not be able to handle it. We would go insane. We are not prophets, or imaams. We are ordinary humans, and viewing the unseen would surely make us too afraid to continue living.

But, considering how much we will be outnumbered during the war of all time (during the time of our last imaam), perhaps the jinn will lend us a hand? ...But if this is the case, then the majority of the jinn will be against us. (for the majority of jinns are said to be mischievous)

P.S

I hope no one thinks i'm crazy, but I would like to reiterate, just in case someone might be confused about it: Calling upon the jinn for help, summoning the jinn or asking the jinn for material things... DON'T DO IT. It's haram and it's gonna lead you down the road to misery eventually.

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I am just making a suggestion (This is not backed up by any hadith or anything, but it's just a thought, so don't take it too seriously) but perhaps in the era after the Dajjal, his minions and gog and magog have been annihilated, the imaam will establish such a wonderful world that people will not have the ill desire to use jinn for evil purposes? In such a world, perhaps an inter-dimensional bond between man and jinn could be halal and harmonious?

...What am i saying?? This is irrelevant, and you should probably not think of such things for two reasons:

1. We are not living in such a world. Ours is corrupt, and the only people who use jinn are evil-doers and people who want to control the world.

2. It is very easy to begin swaying towards such scary desires. Communication with the jinn is haram, forbidden, not allowed! And for good reason. You should thank god that we are (for the most part) blind to the unseen. If we could see everything that goes on around us, we would not be able to handle it. We would go insane. We are not prophets, or imaams. We are ordinary humans, and viewing the unseen would surely make us too afraid to continue living.

But, considering how much we will be outnumbered during the war of all time (during the time of our last imaam), perhaps the jinn will lend us a hand? ...But if this is the case, then the majority of the jinn will be against us. (for the majority of jinns are said to be mischievous)

P.S

I hope no one thinks i'm crazy, but I would like to reiterate, just in case someone might be confused about it: Calling upon the jinn for help, summoning the jinn or asking the jinn for material things... DON'T DO IT. It's haram and it's gonna lead you down the road to misery eventually.

Man jinn are like pokemon, the come on different levels, i dont know why anyone would use them to control the world because we still have ability to control them with Allahs help, it seems like a lame way to control anything. The brother in question here is obviously bright attending uni and has an issue with a jinn on the side, im sure we all have this issue we just dont recognize it. Shoot i know well that shaytaan plays with me all the time. I wish i was as conscious of it as this brother. Ive heard lectures where jinn can fall in love with you. SCARY

I got enough people trying to love me and use me and I DONT NEED MORE STAY AWWAAYYY JINNN STAY AWAAYy!

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guys don't b afraid of love!! even if it's from a jinn or a turtle or a spider!!! love will never hurt, it will always nurture isA. fact is that there are jinn loving or hating you right now .. because they can see you. And may Allah protect us from bad.

anyway, point is that the way things look, we are in desperate need of "a miracle". it does not look like we can win this on our own. The amount of power in the bad people's hands is so great that they are unbeatable by our divided and weak ummah.

1 - gog and magog are described that they will reach power levels as high as the powerful bad guys today .. and supposedly what will kill them ?? A WORM .. now i feel that this worm is jinns ... it's a fact that jinn can have the power to make people sick. like magicians who contract their jinn to make life difficult for their vicitims (here something i have lots of experience with .. or against actually .. in my family). So maybe this is the missing key: instead of having bad jinn making people sick and killing them .. let's have good jinn make the bad people sick and killing them. do we have any choice?? i can't see any .. God knows best .. am just a limited human being.

2 - heard through the grapevine:

FYI: Jinn are like birds somehow .. they have very short concentration spans, and they move around at ease by flying from place to place VERY easily & quickly. Jinn have a muuuuch longer life-cycle than us. There are Jinn alive today who were around during the days of the prophet pbuh.gif

So, anyway .. my point is .. apparently (according to some muslims who get leaked info from the muslim world of jinn) .. the Jinn are just now starting to understand the message of prophet Mohammad pbuh.gif. So it is very fashionable these days for Jinn to convert to Islam .. it took them forever to catch onto it. So there is a surge of new muslim converts among the Jinn itching to do good. Also, please brothers keep in mind that the muslim Jinn are already fighting wars against devil Jinn and killing each other since a long time. Just, they never fight with us by our side since sayedna Sulayman as.gif Guys we need to get rid of those monsters of Dajjal .. those gog and magog beasts .. and of course the beast himself. Allah knows best & forgive me if i'm sounding crazy: but i see this as the only solution we have (with my limited mind anyway)

all the best to you all, may the truth be with you.

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We should not resort to seeking help from the Jinn. That's all i'm saying.

And they're not like pokemon! What a strange thing to say! The jinn are so powerful, that YOU who will become THEIR play thing. YOU are the pokemon, if you think you can control the jinn. Only Solomon had that power, and anyone who uses the powers of the jinn today is considered a kafir.

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We should not resort to seeking help from the Jinn. That's all i'm saying.

And they're not like pokemon! What a strange thing to say! The jinn are so powerful, that YOU who will become THEIR play thing. YOU are the pokemon, if you think you can control the jinn. Only Solomon had that power, and anyone who uses the powers of the jinn today is considered a kafir.

Striver,

I think you misunderstood my whole idea .. Sulayman (as) has set a seal on the 'halalness' of communicating with Jinn. It's quite certain that it was normal for people up to this time. Muslims are never scared of anything including Jinn, and they are just like us. The last words in our holy book are "min al jinatu welnaas" .. from the jinn and people.

there is nothing scary about them, it's just that as you said it's haram to call upon them or communicate with them because of that seal. so hypothetically .. if this seal get undone, then we can deal with each other again. muslim jinn and muslim humans .. this can possibly be part of Allah's plan and our FUTURE secret weapon. Nobody is anybody's pokemon here .. this is serious business!

of course i could be wrong .. just a crazy idea, that's all .. smile.gif

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I don't know about being in contact with a jinn. I think there have been cases where people have spoken to (on more than one occasion, sometimes even daily) with Jinn, and the jinn have even done things for people. But what you're asking for is evidence supporting whether or not a person using the powers of the jinn is kafir or not...

Brother do you not understand what using the powers of the jinn would mean? Let us put contact with the jinn aside for a moment... that perhaps can be debatable. But you're actually asking me for proof as to whether or not using the powers of the jinn is haram or not? And you go so far as to call this a "claim" of mine?

Brother, do you not realize what using the powers of the jinn means? Do you not realize what asking the Jinn for help actually means? It means magic, my friend. Black MAGIC. Is there any way of summoning the jinn, unless through the use of dark rituals? Is there any way of harnessing their powers, without giving them something in return? No. The Jinn will often ask you pray to them, and in return give you incredible abilities or wealth, or whatever. Haram, brother.

It's scary that you would look to such a thing, seeming almost to have the desire to actually experiment. Don't.

As for whether or not black magic is haram, you should know this already! It's one of the greatest of sins! And practicers are considered kafir. Read, "Greater sins" You can find it Al-Islam.org. Full of free shia books.

Sorry, i know you were looking for ayat, or hadith. i simply don't know any. but i'm sure i've read them in the past.

Oh, sorry, Br. Mohammed- i only just saw your last post.

Yes, absolutely, i believe that what you say could one day become a reality. That the seal of Solomon could be broken (under Allah's command) and there could be unity between man and jinn.

However, i want to make very clear that intentional communication with the jinn and harnessing the powers of the jinn is haram. (for now) The reason i want to make this clear for our brothers is for this reason: It is said that when the Dajjal comes, he will be able to make it seem as though your dead relatives have come back to life.

(This is just one example of how easy it is for us to become confused in today's age.)

How will the Dajjal complete such a task? Perhaps science, but perhaps the jinn. I don't want my brothers to fall into the trap of believing in a person who tells them that using the jinn is halal.

I dunno, man. If we're not living at a time when the seal has been broken and there are not any hadith that indicate that it ever will happen, then isn't it bad of us to speculate? Especially when everyone's faith has become so fragile already.

Perhaps i'm the one not being realistic. I may have to abstain from any further posts on this thread.

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Striver, if you dont have any Ayat or Hadith, please provide FATWA of any well known Shia scholar.

Thanks.

.. Sulayman (as) has set a seal on the 'halalness' of communicating with Jinn.

Who told you about this "seal". Any proof from Quran or Hadith?

Thanks.

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Who told you about this "seal". Any proof from Quran or Hadith?

Thanks.

for some reason i remember it quite vividly from the quran last time i studied it intensively. not 100% sure if this is the only aya talking about it:

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He said, "My Lord, forgive me and grant me a kingdom such as will not belong to anyone after me. Indeed, You are the Bestower." 38:35

So We subjected to him the wind blowing by his command, gently, wherever he directed, 38:36

And [also] the devils [of jinn] - every builder and diver 38:37

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maybe other people know more than me about this seal in terms of quran and ahadeeth .. don't know why i always kind of was sure of it unsure.gif

anyway, whether it's the jinn, or the martyred people .. or God knows who else .. WE NEED HELP!!!! HALAL HELP .. ohmy.gif

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i understand that people are very skeptical about the whole jinn issue, and the first thing they do if you mention it to anyone, is, give you a sympathetic look and ask, 'have you seen a psychologist about this?' and they kind of plant it in your mind that what you are feeling is actually your brain playing tricks on you. that could be true if you are going through a stressful time, but if the effects last for such a long time, despite that you are perfectly healthy, then there is obviously something wrong and its not a psychological issue.

i was wondering why is it that if a jinn sticks to someone, they dont let go?

some of the effects that you are experiencing brother sajjad are pretty intense, and like you said, reading quran, dua, going to the ziyarat does not completely rid you of the jinn, but they do reduce its effects but it doesnt go away!

i suggest that you do the following

1. print out small palm cards of ayat al kursi and stick them around the house, in every room, stick the ayah on the four corners of the room

2. let the athan recite constantly around the house at high volume

3. read surat al jinn at least 5 times a day

4. pray salatul lail - really helpful

5. do not have a shower at dawn or dusk, (ive noticed that it is most active at those times, especially dawn)

6. to stop all the nightmares (of any kind) read surat al fatiha (3x), surat al ikhlas (3x) surat al nas (3x), surat al falaq (3x) ayat al kursi (5x) before you sleep and make sure u do wudu

7. always let surat al baqara recite around the house

8. leave the quran next to your head when you sleep

those guys that think they can make the jinn go away by reading quran or dua are wrong, it doesnt change a thing!

hope that helps and inshalah you will get rid of it

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i understand that people are very skeptical about the whole jinn issue, and the first thing they do if you mention it to anyone, is, give you a sympathetic look and ask, 'have you seen a psychologist about this?' and they kind of plant it in your mind that what you are feeling is actually your brain playing tricks on you. that could be true if you are going through a stressful time, but if the effects last for such a long time, despite that you are perfectly healthy, then there is obviously something wrong and its not a psychological issue.

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Actually people who suffer from some psychiatric conditions (like schizophrenia) may look perfectly healthy. Their problems could start during teen-age years and continue for a long time afterwords. Some of their symptoms resemble that of "jinn possession". Once diagnosed and they start taking medicines regularly there could be dramatic improvement in their condition.

I am not saying that Br. Sajjad has that condition. But regardless of the cause, it is crucial to first rule out any medical conditions that could be causing his problem. His family should be involved and he should get a full neurological and psychiatric evaluation.

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Actually people who suffer from some psychiatric conditions (like schizophrenia) may look perfectly healthy. Their problems could start during teen-age years and continue for a long time afterwords. Some of their symptoms resemble that of "jinn possession". Once diagnosed and they start taking medicines regularly there could be dramatic improvement in their condition.

I am not saying that Br. Sajjad has that condition. But regardless of the cause, it is crucial to first rule out any medical conditions that could be causing his problem. His family should be involved and he should get a full neurological and psychiatric evaluation.

WS

salam

i understand completely where you are coming from, but brother sajjad said he was perfectly healthy when he had undertaken medical tests. i guess because we know so little about how the human brain works (despite all psychological research undertaken, psychologists only provide theories, not solid fact about certain conditions) and we know even less about jinn and how they function, we have to consider both possibilities. but either way, whether it is a medical condition or actual jinn, worshipping Allah in any way will reduce the effects significantly (not to mention it will strengthen ones iman) and one has no power but to make dua to Allah and pray that whatever they are experiencing to be gone.

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One of the main ways in which people invoke the jinn for help is for divination or soothsaying. (Being able to tell the future or have knowledge about certain individuals or events, through the jinn.)

I would like to remind everyone that Solomon (swt) didn't control the jinn through magic, but rather through the command of Allah. Magic is haram, and is the only way for someone to control the abilities of the jinn in today's age.

Here is an extract from the book, "Greater Sins"

“And they followed what the shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, Yet these two taught no man until they had said, ‘Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever.’ Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it anyone except with Allah’s permission, and they learnt what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who brought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls; had they but known this.”

(Surah al-Baqarah 2:102)

According to Tafsīr al-Mizan this ayat shows that sorcery was prevalent among the Jews for a long time; and they used to ascribe it to Hazrat Sulaiman (a.s.). They believed that Hazrat Sulaiman (a.s.) had mastered the techniques of controlling the angels, jinns and wild animals through magic, and some of these alleged methods had reached them. They also implicated the two angels Harut and Marut for other magical rites. Therefore, the Holy Qur’an has denounced their belief regarding Hazrat Sulaiman (a.s.) because sorcery is the method of misusing the power of human spirit in order to perform extraordinary acts. It is against the Divine law because it negates the supremacy of Allah (S.w.T.). Since Hazrat Sulaiman (a.s.) was a Prophet and undoubtedly infallible, he cannot be blamed for such a violation of Divine Command. Therefore to ascribe sorcery to Hazrat Sulaiman (a.s.) was absolutely wrong. As the Almighty says,

The supernatural events that are brought into being by the first group may be of many kinds; If they are based on enquiry of, or help from, a jinn or a spirit etc. then it is called “al-Kihanah” (divination, sooth-saying, fortune-telling); [and this is a greater sin!]

Imam Sadiq (a.s.) says:

“One who divines or the one who goes to a soothsayer for divination, (both) have renounced the religion of Muhammad (S).”

(Khisāl)

[And another hadith]

Janabe Haitham enquired from Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq (a.s.), “There is a person we know who informs about stolen property etc. Is it permitted for us to seek his advice?”

The Holy Imam (a.s.) said,

“The Messenger of Allah (S) has mentioned that one who goes to a sorcerer, a soothsayer or a liar and testifies to what he says has become an infidel in the light of all the divine books revealed on Allah’s Messengers.”

(Makasib Muharrama of Shaykh Ansari)

[in describing various kinds of magic (And magic is haram)]

al-Limiya: It teaches how one may establish a connection between his psyche and the higher and stronger spirits, in order that one may bring them under one’s control, for example, the spirits of the stars, or the jinn, etc.

It is also called the knowledge of subjugation of the spirits.

Taskhirāt (controlling jinns etc.)

Taskhirāt can be defined as the method of controlling Angels, Jinns, souls or various wild animals. This is also Harām and considered a form of sorcery. The Shaykh has also mentioned in Makasib that all the characteristics of magic and sorcery are present in Taskhirāt. Although Shahid al-Awwal and Shahid al-Thani consider magic Harām because it does harm to others, they may have also considered that the fact the process of controlling angels and jinns causes them much sufferings.

If this is not proof enough for you, then please say. I probably need to do more research into it, and it's very intriguing anyway. I know there's not many hadith there, but those are just the ones i found in one book alone.

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One of the main ways in which people invoke the jinn for help is for divination or soothsaying. (Being able to tell the future or have knowledge about certain individuals or events, through the jinn.)

I would like to remind everyone that Solomon (swt) didn't control the jinn through magic, but rather through the command of Allah. Magic is haram, and is the only way for someone to control the abilities of the jinn in today's age.

Here is an extract from the book, "Greater Sins"

"And they followed what the shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, Yet these two taught no man until they had said, 'Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever.' Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it anyone except with Allah's permission, and they learnt what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who brought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls; had they but known this."

(Surah al-Baqarah 2:102)

According to Tafsīr al-Mizan this ayat shows that sorcery was prevalent among the Jews for a long time; and they used to ascribe it to Hazrat Sulaiman (a.s.). They believed that Hazrat Sulaiman (a.s.) had mastered the techniques of controlling the angels, jinns and wild animals through magic, and some of these alleged methods had reached them. They also implicated the two angels Harut and Marut for other magical rites. Therefore, the Holy Qur'an has denounced their belief regarding Hazrat Sulaiman (a.s.) because sorcery is the method of misusing the power of human spirit in order to perform extraordinary acts. It is against the Divine law because it negates the supremacy of Allah (S.w.T.). Since Hazrat Sulaiman (a.s.) was a Prophet and undoubtedly infallible, he cannot be blamed for such a violation of Divine Command. Therefore to ascribe sorcery to Hazrat Sulaiman (a.s.) was absolutely wrong. As the Almighty says,

The supernatural events that are brought into being by the first group may be of many kinds; If they are based on enquiry of, or help from, a jinn or a spirit etc. then it is called "al-Kihanah" (divination, sooth-saying, fortune-telling); [and this is a greater sin!]

Imam Sadiq (a.s.) says:

"One who divines or the one who goes to a soothsayer for divination, (both) have renounced the religion of Muhammad (S)."

(Khisāl)

[And another hadith]

Janabe Haitham enquired from Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq (a.s.), "There is a person we know who informs about stolen property etc. Is it permitted for us to seek his advice?"

The Holy Imam (a.s.) said,

"The Messenger of Allah (S) has mentioned that one who goes to a sorcerer, a soothsayer or a liar and testifies to what he says has become an infidel in the light of all the divine books revealed on Allah's Messengers."

(Makasib Muharrama of Shaykh Ansari)

[in describing various kinds of magic (And magic is haram)]

al-Limiya: It teaches how one may establish a connection between his psyche and the higher and stronger spirits, in order that one may bring them under one's control, for example, the spirits of the stars, or the jinn, etc.

It is also called the knowledge of subjugation of the spirits.

Taskhirāt (controlling jinns etc.)

Taskhirāt can be defined as the method of controlling Angels, Jinns, souls or various wild animals. This is also Harām and considered a form of sorcery. The Shaykh has also mentioned in Makasib that all the characteristics of magic and sorcery are present in Taskhirāt. Although Shahid al-Awwal and Shahid al-Thani consider magic Harām because it does harm to others, they may have also considered that the fact the process of controlling angels and jinns causes them much sufferings.

If this is not proof enough for you, then please say. I probably need to do more research into it, and it's very intriguing anyway. I know there's not many hadith there, but those are just the ones i found in one book alone.

(bismillah)

What you have quoted above tells us that controlling a Jinn is haram. Which makes perfect sense since freedom is a basic right and anyone taking away someones freedom (controlling someone) in many cases would be wrong. But it does not say communicating with them is haram.

For example if someone is possessed by a Jinn. And a pious and learned scholar tells the Jinn to get off that person and leave him alone. How could such a communication b/w the scholar and jinn be haram?

WS

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Dear Sajjad, I grew in a society replete with all sorts of supernatural beliefs, practices, from many faiths as well. To cut it all short, if a person has been hexed or charmed by a Buddhist monk, only another Buddhist monk can solve things out. There is a well known episode here where a Muslim teenage boy playfully meddled with Hindu Temple items and subsequently behaved strangely, and at the end of the day, no Muslim medium could help; only another Hindu priest solved the problem. Hope these life "anecdotes" help somewhat.

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I agree with your comment on happiness. Anything than can bring you happiness in its halal form will free you of effects of the jinn

I am presuming you have checked these out. http://www.duas.org/magic.htm

If you want to get rid of the jinn I sugesst ask wasila from Ahlul Bayt (as), e.g. go to Imam Husayn shrine, do 2 rakah prayer and from the bottom of your heart asked to be saved from the jinn.

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salam alaykum Sajjad,

am understanding from the last couple of entries that you face a problem that might be spiritual. Many of our problems are due to jinn; this includes health problems. physical, mental and spiritual problems.

The best way to find out if you have jinn(s) bothering you (God forbid) is through specialized muslim people in this. .. exorcists .. he can find out for you through quran-based rituals who the jinn is and the gender, religion, age, name, motive, etc .. then depending on the power balance, he can exercise the spirit .. sometimes when dealing with christian spirits it's best to get specialized priests.

Ultimately Allah is the One to help you, so ask Allah to solve whatever problem you may have .. and protect you in the future.

Exorcism is jihad .. they use the ayat of quran as a sword, and can even kill the spirit, God willing .. if the spirit resists. .. it's an old science ...

May Allah be with you,

(salam) :)

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What you have quoted above tells us that controlling a Jinn is haram. Which makes perfect sense since freedom is a basic right and anyone taking away someones freedom (controlling someone) in many cases would be wrong. But it does not say communicating with them is haram.

For example if someone is possessed by a Jinn. And a pious and learned scholar tells the Jinn to get off that person and leave him alone. How could such a communication b/w the scholar and jinn be haram?

WS

Ok, communication in that sense, where you are trying to end a possession (and end a connection between a human and a jinn), yes it is halal. But that wasn't the question, was it? The question was whether it is halal to use the powers of the jinn. THAT was the question. And i hope i proved that it is haram.

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I actually thought the same thing before - but I wonder how JKR came to know this..

(wasalam)

My mother says that JKR sold her sole to the devil and so that's how she knows about wizardry and such. (My mom is Christian, but the Islaamic version of that theory makes sense too.)

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Actually I read a Hadith in which a man wanted to hear a Jin and after much bickering he was able to hear it. He heard a high pitch noise (jins most likely speak at a frequency which we can't hear) and then he got a fever for a year. Also an Alim I know is well known for ridding people of jins. His name is Dr. Sakhawat Sandaralvi

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Asalam U Alaycom,

Thank you and God bless you for sharing your story. You don't need to convince the world of your experiences. I do believe you suffered through something that hard to comprehend, nevertheless its your story. This has helped me, so for that I thank you. Good luck in your future, I hope your sufferings continue to lift. Fee Ameen Allah!

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To all those members who have belittled Sajjad's comments about jinn. Shame on you! As a Shia, you should know that jinns exist - it's in the Qur'an! Maula Ali AS has said he has made us partially blind because if we could see the unseen (ie Jinn!!) we would not be able to lead a normal life!

I have experienced jinn and let me tell you it does exist! I have been sexually assaulted by a jinn. As Sajjad described, you don't see it but you can feel it. All your power to speak, move etc is taken away - that's how clever it is. Yes I was attacked during the recitation of Qur'an and praying Ayatul Kursi before sleeping and still I was attacked. I was also attacked in Ramadhan last year and that was the most astonishing for me because of the holy month. However, as Sajjad explains it is Shaitan that is locked away and if you have a powerful ammal on you like I have, it can defy Quranic verses. I have also seen the jinn and this was during the Ramadhan attack. My eyes were glazed as usual and I was blinking and vaguely saw to my right the ugliest long face that had a rocky texture and by God, it was despicable. I will never be able to get that image out of my head for as long as i live.

I recently got married and the jinn also attacked my husband. We have been fighting everyday since our marriage and there has been no happiness or peace in my life because of this terrible presence.

I recently went to visit an alim who gave me something to burn and I have also been reciting Dua Mashlool and Alhumudillah, I can feel a turning point. I am not sure if this is something that will ever escape me but I will have to learn to control it with the power of dua. I suppose it's a condition I am just going to have to live with.

It is deplorable that any of you can underestimate the existance of jinn - it does exist and it does ruin people's lives. I hope that none of you ever have to experience it because it's the worst disease and as Sajjad has described, aside from the nightly torment, it affects your physical and mental wellbeing, takes you to loneliness, turns everyone against you, give you misfortunes etc.

I leave it on Allah SWT and the Ahlulbayt for protection. We have been prescribed some miraculous duas and we need to implement them in our lives to shield ourselves from the evils of this world.

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Sajjad, I do not think you are "nuts" but, I think you are misinterpreting some physical sensation that comes from your imagination.

Many little kids go through a phase when they think someone is walking on their bed as they lay there at night. "Feeling" the blanket pressed down on their legs.

What the Qur'an reveals is that we are made from clay and water and the jinn are made from fire "free of smoke". Two different origins.

Think of this analogy. This "fire" would be in our thinking, energy. Clay and water have mass made of nuclear atoms. They are not within the same physical dimensions.

So I do not think you have experienced a jinn.

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Jinn experiences have extraordinary things involved that cannot be explained, to a point most people won't believe them. Brother, I don't think you are nuts either, I heard stories. People feeling sick and doctors can't diagnose them, they run tests but everything turns out fine. Recite 4 quls, Ayatul Kursi, and Naade Ali after every namaz, that works too or recite Surah Yasin.

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What the Qur'an reveals is that we are made from clay and water and the jinn are made from fire "free of smoke". Two different origins.

Think of this analogy. This "fire" would be in our thinking, energy. Clay and water have mass made of nuclear atoms. They are not within the same physical dimensions.

So I do not think you have experienced a jinn.

(salam)

That analogy doesn't work - if you are clay and water, how come I only see flesh and bones? and if that clay and water has mass, how about your mass-less aura / energy / spirit (which modern science has yet to admit to)? The jinn is also just a spirit, the smoke-less fire has nothing to do with anything in this realm. You can interact with a jinn through your spirit energy, and you can perceive them through your "spiritual organs" (aka "chakras").

Hopefully some genius engineer will come along and develop a technology that can properly measure and quantify these energies, then for sure there will be major leaps / bounds in our science and healthcare. We know from hadith that all of the knowledge we have until now is only 2 parts of 27, and the remainder will be learnt when Imam Mahdi (atf) returns - and I'm sure most of it deals with spiritual sciences and the interplay with the physical. We also know in hadith that when the 12th Imam (atf) returns we will be able to interact with jinns / angels - this doesn't have to be a miracle, as most likely our energies will be at a higher vibration and our spirits will be fully functioning.

All of the skeptics in this thread need to study the eastern religions a little because they describe more of the spiritual sciences (which was likely the knowledge that their prophets revealed to them from Allah).

One example of the spiritual sciences is this - a jinn may attack you by first attacking your throat chakra which is a weak point (might be why the OP felt strangled first). This point is difficult to defend and this throat point is connected to your sacral chakra, which the jinn can then manipulate to create feelings of jealousy, hate and an increase in desire.

Feelings of happiness were able to repel the jinn (as OP mentioned) because it creates a higher vibrational energy. If your aura is vibrating high and fast, the jinn would have difficulty approaching because it's like a barrier.

Feeling constantly tired and worn out (as OP mentioned) is likely because the jinn is draining energy, and possibly there are holes in the aura.

Anyway, there likely won't be any progress in this area until the return of the Imam (atf).

(salam)

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I believe you suffer from sleep paralysis or chronic fatigue syndrome. Sleep paralysis has nothing to do with diet or family history. It comes very suddenly, and happens to every one - especially those with cfs or narcolepsy. Common symptoms to cfs is indeed mood issues and pain in your body. Besides, it CAN also be placebo that you can feel a hand and stuff... your own mind can do tricks on you.

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