Kurds And Jinn

[Al Khidr 0]

Is the hadith saying that we, the kurds, are part of jinn, so that nobody should marry us, a sahih one ? If so, i have no other option than leaving this faith... it is really childish and racist...

salam

[guest 34193 41]

salaam,

The narrations I've seen on this all go back to a single individual, Abu 'r-Rabi` Khalid b. Awfa ash-Shami, for whom (if we are to apply the strictest criteria) there is no clear tawthiq. Thus, if so this would make him unknown (majhool) and therefore the chains of these narrations weak (da`if). So no need to worry about this and think you might leave your faith over it.

That said, you might not be aware of this but apparently the Kurds themselves have a origin legend that states they are in fact descended from jinn from the time of Sulayman (as). Click on this excerpt:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Ejp-hPSprOgC&pg=PR15&dq=kurds+jinn&hl=en&ei=gmUHTf6fFsP98AaBweGeDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=jinn&f=false

Apparently there was also an old marriage custom in Kurdish society they called jinn by jinn:

http://books.google.com/books?id=PWPdGjzN2egC&pg=PA253&lpg=PA253&dq=kurds+%22jinn+by+jinn%22&source=bl&ots=rCdi-7KBai&sig=HY6Gb5BT5cwcOiOGBigxpQc5JnE&hl=en&ei=RmYHTar4LsLflgf7tOmuDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=kurds%20%22jinn%20by%20jinn%22&f=false

[Al Khidr 0]

thank for your answer....

actually, i'm only aware that i'm human being, and not half human ^^.....

there are lots of bull[Edited Out] in legends, in every culture...

it could be a misinterpretation although, because the word "jin" in kurdish means "woman"......

[Ali_Hussain 5,999]

Didn't nabi Adam (as) marry his first generation of offspring to huris, then the next generations to jinn?

Is that authentic, I think its from 'hayat al qulub'

[Al Khidr 0]

And to clarify, the only legend that kurds recognize is in direct connexion with the persian legend of azi dahaka. Actually, according to kurds, there were many children who had been saved from azi dahaka, and they left to hide in the mountains, so the survivors formed the kurdish people...

There is no such thing about kurds and jinns, it's just false allegation which started with al masudi..... actually, there is a small sect called "yezidis", but they just speak kurdish but they are not kurd.... and even this people is just deceived with false belief...

Edited December 14, 2010 by Al Khidr

[guest 34193 41]

What did Mas`udi say?

[Gypsy 3,164]

(salam)

You shouldn’t be thinking about leaving Islam because someone insulted you. A lot of people including us (Shias) face insult and derogatory statements all the time. I am a strong believer of answering all the false accusations academically.

Also, I’ve seen some Iraqi Sunnis insulting kurds. I was told that their disagreement was political in nature (Saddam (LA) slaughtered many kurds). I’ve heard some people using derogatory words like all Kurds secretly follow Yazidism.

[Al Khidr 0]

indeed lies are everywere..... but in this case it was in shia hadith ! it is not simple allegation... that's why i was scared... but in my heart it was in clear opposition with Abu Abdullah (as) sayings... please don't believe lies on kurds...

Ali Ibn Al-Masudi, an Arab Abbasid historian (c. 896-956), recorded asserting that the Kurds are “Sons of Jinns—Genies” (1989: V.2, 123), Rasheed Yasami, a Persian historian, claims that “Kurds are not a separate nation, rather, they are of Persian origin”

[Gypsy 3,164]

(salam)

This accusation is not unique to Kurds. In fact, they are people who believe that one of the sons of Adam (as) married a female Jinn. As far as I know, these are only theories, and we do not exactly know if they are true or not. See here

[ShiaBen 949]

indeed lies are everywere..... but in this case it was in shia hadith ! it is not simple allegation... that's why i was scared... but in my heart it was in clear opposition with Abu Abdullah (as) sayings... please don't believe lies on kurds...

Ali Ibn Al-Masudi, an Arab Abbasid historian (c. 896-956), recorded asserting that the Kurds are “Sons of Jinns—Genies” (1989: V.2, 123), Rasheed Yasami, a Persian historian, claims that “Kurds are not a separate nation, rather, they are of Persian origin”

I don't know who Rasheed Yasami was, but perhaps he meant of Iranic origin, to make Kurds of Iran, feel closer to their Persian neighbors, since many back then wanted to separate and create a Kurdistan state. Today, after some major wars, it left them divided into two camps. Typically atheist Kurds that rely on Kurdish nationalism and want a state based on that, and another that believe in unity with the country they are from (Iran, Turkey, Syria, and Iraq) because they are Muslims.

[Ya Aba 3abdillah 1,717]

Someone mentioned in front of me yesterday that Sayyid Al-Khoe'i made it makruh to marry Kurds. I found this to be nonsense and asked for proof of it. Just had a quick browse around the net, and found this

http://www.muslm.net...ad.php?t=175304

السلام عليكم

كيف يرى الرافضة الجنس الكردي

للشيخ عبدالرحمن دمشقية:

إنني أطالب بشدة بنشر هذه المقالة وتثبيتها في كل موقع ومنتدى وأعلم يقينا أن هذه الفضيحة سوف تؤدي إلى صحوة إخواننا الأكراد.

لا ننسى أن الأكراد أنصار هذا الدين. وإن مرت عليهم أوقات يفترون فيها إلا أنني أشهد أنهم حماة الدين والمجاهدون فيه.

ولا ننسى البطل صلاح الدين الأيوبي الذي أسقط دولة الباطنيين الروافض ونصره الله بعدها مباشرة على الصليبيين.

والآن إلى الحقائق المذهلة وهي:

كيف يرى الشيعة الجنس البشري الكردي؟

الأكراد أصلهم من الجن

روى الكليني في الكافي عن ابى الربيع الشامي قال: سألت ابا عبد الله عليه السلام فقلت : ان عندنا قوما من الاكراد ، وانهم لا يزالون يجيئون بالبيع ، فنخالطهم ونبايعهم ؟ قال : يا ابا الربيع لا تخالطوهم ، فان الاكراد حى من أحياء الجن ، كشف الله تعالى عنهم الغطاء فلا تخالطوهم» (الكافي5/158 رياض المسائل للسيد علي الطباطبائي ج1 ص520 جواهر الكلام – الشيخ الجواهري ج 3 ص 116 من لايحضره الفقيه – الشيخ الصدوق ج 3 ص 164 (تهذيب الأحكام – الشيخ الطوسي 7/405 - بحار الأنوار – العلامة المجلسي ج 001 ص 83 - تفسير نور الثقلين - الشيخ الحويزي ج 1 ص 601).

وفي رواية « ولا تنكحوا من الاكراد أحدا فإنهم جنس من الجن كشف عنهم الغطاء» (الكافي لللكليني5/352).

قال الطوسي « وينبغي أن يتجنب مخالطة السفلة من الناس والأدنين منهم، ولا يعامل إلا من نشأ في خير، ويجتنب معاملة ذوي العاهات والمحارفين. ولا ينبغي أن يخالط أحدا من الأكراد، ويتجنب مبايعتهم ومشاراتهم ومناكحتهم» (النهاية- الشيخ الطوسي ص 373).

قال ابن إدريس الحلي « ولا ينبغي أن يخالط أحدا من الأكراد ، ويتجنب مبايعتهم ، ومشاراتهم ، ومناكحتهم. قال محمد بن إدريس: وذلك راجع إلى كراهية معاملة من لا بصيرة له، فيما يشتريه، ولا فيما يبيعه، لأن الغالب على هذا الجيل، والقبيل، قلة البصيرة، لتركهم مخالطة الناس، وأصحاب البصائر» (السرائر - ابن إدريس الحلي ج 2 ص 233).

وقال يحيى بن سعيد الحلي « ويكره مخالطة الاكراد ببيع وشراء ونكاح» (الجامع للشرايع ص245).

وقال الحلي « مسألة : يكره له معاملة الاكراد ومخالطتهم ويتجنب مبايعتهم ومشاركتهم ومناكحتهم لما رواه الشيخ عن ابي الربيع الشامي قال سالت ابا عبد الله عليه السلام قلت ان عندنا قوما من الاكراد وانهم لا يزالون يجتنبون مخالطتهم ومبايعتهم فقال عليه السلام يا ابا ربيع لا تخالطوهم فان الاكراد حي من احياء الجن كشف الله عنهم الغطاء فلا تخالطوهم وكذلك يكره معاملة اهل الذمة» (منتهى المطلب الحلي ج2ص 1003 تذكرة الفقهاء للحلي ج 1 ص 586 جواهر الكلام - الشيخ الجواهري ج 22 ص 457 علل الشرائع - الشيخ الصدوق ج 2 ص 527 :

وعن الصادق ( ع ) لا تنكحوا من الاكراد احدا فانهن حبس من الجن كشف عنهم العظاء» (تذكرة الفقهاء العلامة الحلي ج 2 ص 569).

لا تناكحوا الأكراد

وعن أبي الربيع الشامي قال: قال لي أبو عبد الله عليه السلام: لا تشتر من السودان أحدا، فإن كان لا بد فمن النوبة، فإنهم من الذين قال الله تعالى (ومن الذين قالوا أنا نصارى أخذنا ميثاقهم فنسوا حظا مما ذكروا به) إنهم يتذكرون ذلك الحظ، وسيخرج مع القائم منا عصابة منهم ولا تنكحوا من الاكراد أحدا فإنهن جيش من الجن كشف عنهم الغطاء» (المهذب البارع لابن فهد الحلي3/182 مسالك الأفهام الشهيد الثاني ج3 ص 186 وانظر المهذب البارع لابن فهد الحلي ج3 ص 182 تجد فيه بابا بعنوان (باب من كره مناكحته من الاكراد والسودان وغيرهم ج5/ 352 مجمع الفائدة - المحقق الأردبيلي ج 8 ص 129 وسائل الشيعة (آل البيت ) الحر العاملي ج 02 ص 84 وسائل الشيعة (الإسلامية) - الحر العاملي ج 21 ص 307.

وينبغي ان يتجنب مخالفة السفلة من الناس والادنين منهم ولا يعامل الا من نشأ في الخير ويكره معاملة ذوي العاهات والمحارفين ويكره معاملة الاكراد ومخالطتهم ومناكحتهم» (كفاية الأحكام- المحقق السبزواري ص84 الحدائق الناضرة - المحقق البحراني ج 81 ص 40 : و ج 42 ص 111 جامع المدارك - السيد الخوانساري ج 3 ص 137 - تهذيب الأحكام - الشيخ الطوسي ج 7 ص 11 وسائل الشيعة (آل البيت ) - الحر العاملي ج 71 ص 416).

جامع الرواة - محمد علي الأردبيلى ج1ص 75 1 / ص و102 باب اختيار - الازواج وفي [ في ] في باب من كره مناكحته من الاكراد

before finding this thread here. Still waiting on the guys 'proof', it was the first time i had heard about it.

Has anyone heard this claim before?

[ßÑíã 170]

For it to be narrated that Imam Saddiq a.s. said this, that means their is an agenda behind it. Can anyone get in contact with the said marj3a? or his office? and find out more about this? Iv'e never come across this before, this is serious...

[Guest]

Salaams,

No, i am not aware of any. However Allah (swt) has said that he has made man the best of his creations e.g (95:4) and all other creations are not as great as human beings, that includes jinns. Thats why shaytaan had to bow down to Prophet Adam (a.s). So, Allah (swt) wouldnt make one race of humans with two different creations, jinns are made from fire and man is made of clay, so i dont think a combination like that would work and genetically you would be completely different to other human beings. So i suggest that you dont listen to people who say these things.

Wasalaam. ;)

[ßÑíã 170]

Very good point, JazakAllah brother.

[.IceMan. 9]

What th-....

I'm Iraqi Kurd.

Eh, I didn't know I was a jinn.

[Abu'l Khattab 1,018]

What th-....

I'm Iraqi Kurd.

Eh, I didn't know I was a jinn.

You're makrooh, live with it. :)

P.S: I'm a jinn too ;)

Edited August 17, 2011 by haidar al karrar

[La fata illa Ali 904]

Is the hadith saying that we, the kurds, are part of jinn, so that nobody should marry us, a sahih one ? If so, i have no other option than leaving this faith... it is really childish and racist...

salam

Hahahahaha

do you know our hadiths regarding east indian ppl???

back in the day, I believe that when Imam's (as) spoke about india, they used the word 'Sindh'

I think we have a hadith that says that ppl from Sindh are brainless or something like that.

But basically, its not a reason to leave the religion man, as you could say that a lot of ppl on SC are from 'sindh' (india) so w/e the case. its not really an issue.

:lol:

[Philip 520]

there are shia jinn too

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed 5,945]

:blink:

[ßÑíã 170]

I think we have a hadith that says that ppl from Sindh are brainless or something like that.

dude im sure they didn't mean all people from that location are brainless lool, as we know mu'mins are all over the globe.

[Cherub786 432]

The Quran does indicate that there are human jinns. I’m not saying the Kurds are jinn. Sir Syed Ahmad Khan likewise believed that jinns are wild tribes. The Kurds used to be largely nomadic people.

Edited September 17 by Cherub786

[Northwest 193]

On 8/15/2011 at 3:12 AM, Ya Aba 3abdillah said:

Someone mentioned in front of me yesterday that Sayyid Al-Khoe'i made it makruh to marry Kurds. I found this to be nonsense and asked for proof of it. Just had a quick browse around the net, and found this

http://www.muslm.net...ad.php?t=175304

before finding this thread here. Still waiting on the guys 'proof', it was the first time i had heard about it.

Has anyone heard this claim before?

@Ibn Al-Ja'abi @Qa'im @Logic1234 @OrthodoxTruth @Allah Seeker

Translation(s):

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The Kurds are from the jinn

Al-Kulayni narrated in Al-Kafi on the authority of Abu Al-Rabi` Al-Shami who said: I asked Abu Abdullah, peace be upon him, and I said: We have a people of the Kurds, and they are still coming by selling, so we mix with them and pledge allegiance to them? He said: O Aba Al-Rabee ', do not mix with them, for the Kurds are one of the neighborhoods of the jinn. God Almighty has revealed the cover for them, so do not mix with them. 3, p. 164 (Tahdheeb al-Ahkam - Sheikh al-Tusi 7/405 - Sailor al-Anwar - Allama Majlisi, J 001, p. 83 - Interpretation of Nour al-Thaqalin - Sheikh al-Huwaizi, vol.1, p. 601).

And in the novel, “Do not marry anyone from the Kurds, for they are a race of the jinn whose cover has been revealed” (Al-Kafi Al-Laklani 5/352).

Al-Tusi said, “He should avoid mixing with low-level people and the lesser among them, and treat only those who have grown up well, and he should avoid treating people with disabilities and the devourers. He should not mix with any of the Kurds, and avoid pledging allegiance to them, their advances and their arguments. ”(End - Sheikh Al-Tusi, p. 373).

Ibn Idris al-Hilli said, “He should not mix with any of the Kurds, and avoid pledging allegiance to them, their advances, and intercourse with them. Muhammad bin Idris said: This is due to the dislike of treating those who have no insight, in what he buys or what he sells, because the majority of this generation, and the earlier, lack of insight, for leaving them to mix with people and those with insights »(Al-Saraar - Ibn Idris Al-Hilli, vol. 2, p. 233 ).

Yahya bin Saeed Al-Hilli said, “It is disliked to mix with the Kurds by buying, selling and marriage.” (Al-Jami 'as-Sharai’a, p. 245).

And Al-Hilli said, “A question: He hates his treatment of the Kurds and their mixing with them and avoids pledging allegiance to them, their participation and their intercourse with them, as the Sheikh narrated on the authority of Abu Al-Rabeeh Al-Shami. He is one of the neighborhoods of the jinn, God revealed their cover, so do not mix with them. Likewise, he hates the treatment of the people of the dhimmah.

On the authority of Al-Sadiq ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)), do not marry anyone among the Kurds, for they are imprisoned by the jinn, which the veneration revealed to them.

Do not marry the Kurds

On the authority of Abu Al-Rabee 'Al-Shami, he said: Abu Abdullah, peace be upon him, said to me: Do not buy anyone from Sudan, and if it is necessary, then it must be Nuba, for they are from those who God Almighty said (and from those who said I am Christians, we took their charter and forgot a luck from what they mentioned) they remember that Good luck, and a gang of them will go out with the Qaem, and they will not marry any of the Kurds, for they are an army of the jinn whose cover is revealed. Chapter of the Kurds, Sudan and others who hated his antagonism, Part 5/352, the Collective of Interest - the Investigator Ardebili, vol. 8, p. 129, The Ways of the Shia (Aal al-Bayt) al-Hur al-Amili, vol 02, p. 84, Ways of the Shia (Islamic) - al-Hur al-Amili, vol 21, p. 307.

He should avoid contradicting the lowly of the people and the minimum among them, and he should not treat except those who have grown up in goodness and hates the treatment of people with disabilities and deviants and hates the treatment of the Kurds, their mixing with them and their intercourse with them. Al-Mudark - Al-Sayed Al-Khwansari, vol. 3, p. 137 - Tahdheeb Al-Ahkam - Al-Sheikh Al-Tusi, vol.7, p. 11, Waseel Al-Shia (Aal Al-Bayt) - Al-Hur Al-Amili vol.71, p. 416).

Al-Rawa'at Mosque - Muhammad Ali Al-Ardebili vol.1 p. 75 1 / p. 102 Chapter Choosing - Husbands and in [F] in the chapter on the Kurds who hate his antagonism

Why do mainstream scholars discount these references? Some major, specific, early, reputable sources are cited herein...

According to these narrations, did disabled people deny Imam Ali in the World of Particles and were afflicted with infirmity?

Edited September 28 by Northwest

[El Cid 805]

33 minutes ago, Northwest said:

@Ibn Al-Ja'abi @Qa'im @Logic1234 @OrthodoxTruth @Allah Seeker

Translation(s):

Why do mainstream scholars discount these references? Some major, specific, early, reputable sources are cited herein...

According to these narrations, did disabled people deny Imam Ali in the World of Particles and were afflicted with infirmity?

What's wild is that someone finally translated that 9 years later.

As for this freshly unearthed topic from the grave, I'll say that this is pure nonsense and reeks of racism.

It's the equivalent of Shi'as spitting in food before eating.

Wasalam

Edited September 28 by El Cid

[Northwest 193]

2 minutes ago, El Cid said:

What's wild is that someone finally translated that 9 years later.

As for this freshly unearthed topic from the grave, I'll say that this is pure nonsense and reeks of racism.

It's the equivalent of Shi'as spitting in food before eating.

Wasalam

@El Cid

But are the quotations legit? I brought them up because I saw them some time ago and am curious as to whether they are fabricated.

Does anyone have the specific books for each of the quotations cited?

[El Cid 805]

8 minutes ago, Northwest said:

@El Cid

But are the quotations legit? I brought them up because I saw them some time ago and am curious as to whether they are fabricated.

Does anyone have the specific books for each of the quotations cited?

I have no idea brother. I was merely commenting on the fact that you posted a translation 9 years later. Personally, I found all of those ahadith fabrications when I read them because Racism is a grave sin in Islam and this seems like some kind of racism. This seems to be some sort of Myth or legend.

Wikipedia says this: There are multiple legends that detail the origins of the Kurds. One details the Kurds as being the descendants of King Solomon’s angelic servants (Djinn). These were sent to Europe to bring him five-hundred beautiful maidens, for the king's harem. However, when these had done so and returned to Israel the king had already died. As such, the Djinn settled in the mountains, married the women themselves, and their offspring came to be known as the Kurds

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Kurds#Origin_legends

Edited September 28 by El Cid

[Allah Seeker 1,204]

2 hours ago, Northwest said:

@Ibn Al-Ja'abi @Qa'im @Logic1234 @OrthodoxTruth @Allah Seeker

Translation(s):

Why do mainstream scholars discount these references? Some major, specific, early, reputable sources are cited herein...

According to these narrations, did disabled people deny Imam Ali in the World of Particles and were afflicted with infirmity?

The word disabled is probably not in reference go physical disability, but simply spiritual retardation or sickness of the heart.

Scholars obviously avoid this topic because they don't want to cause fitna between ins and jinn, as well as push away the Kurdish people from Islam and Ahl Bayt. At the same time scholars might not be able to understand or explain it. They might also not know if this is legitimate.

 

[Ibn Al-Ja'abi 1,539]

2 hours ago, Northwest said:

@Ibn Al-Ja'abi @Qa'im @Logic1234 @OrthodoxTruth @Allah Seeker

Translation(s):

Why do mainstream scholars discount these references? Some major, specific, early, reputable sources are cited herein...

According to these narrations, did disabled people deny Imam Ali in the World of Particles and were afflicted with infirmity?

It is necessary to remember the relationship between tribal people who largely depended on raiding and settled people who would be the victims of raiding in pre-modern times. I'd written briefly about this and the hadiths on the Kurds a couple of years ago:

Additionally, what is the Arabic of the hadith you cited? Curious to see what the word for disability was? The translations don't seem to be particularly well done.

[Northwest 193]

1 minute ago, Ibn Al-Ja'abi said:

It is necessary to remember the relationship between tribal people who largely depended on raiding and settled people who would be the victims of raiding in pre-modern times. I'd written briefly about this and the hadiths on the Kurds a couple of years ago:

Additionally, what is the Arabic of the hadith you cited? Curious to see what the word for disability was? The translations don't seem to be particularly well done.

Quote

السلام عليكم

كيف يرى الرافضة الجنس الكردي

للشيخ عبدالرحمن دمشقية:

إنني أطالب بشدة بنشر هذه المقالة وتثبيتها في كل موقع ومنتدى وأعلم يقينا أن هذه الفضيحة سوف تؤدي إلى صحوة إخواننا الأكراد.

لا ننسى أن الأكراد أنصار هذا الدين. وإن مرت عليهم أوقات يفترون فيها إلا أنني أشهد أنهم حماة الدين والمجاهدون فيه.

ولا ننسى البطل صلاح الدين الأيوبي الذي أسقط دولة الباطنيين الروافض ونصره الله بعدها مباشرة على الصليبيين.

والآن إلى الحقائق المذهلة وهي:

كيف يرى الشيعة الجنس البشري الكردي؟

الأكراد أصلهم من الجن

روى الكليني في الكافي عن ابى الربيع الشامي قال: سألت ابا عبد الله عليه السلام فقلت : ان عندنا قوما من الاكراد ، وانهم لا يزالون يجيئون بالبيع ، فنخالطهم ونبايعهم ؟ قال : يا ابا الربيع لا تخالطوهم ، فان الاكراد حى من أحياء الجن ، كشف الله تعالى عنهم الغطاء فلا تخالطوهم» (الكافي5/158 رياض المسائل للسيد علي الطباطبائي ج1 ص520 جواهر الكلام – الشيخ الجواهري ج 3 ص 116 من لايحضره الفقيه – الشيخ الصدوق ج 3 ص 164 (تهذيب الأحكام – الشيخ الطوسي 7/405 - بحار الأنوار – العلامة المجلسي ج 001 ص 83 - تفسير نور الثقلين - الشيخ الحويزي ج 1 ص 601).

وفي رواية « ولا تنكحوا من الاكراد أحدا فإنهم جنس من الجن كشف عنهم الغطاء» (الكافي لللكليني5/352).

قال الطوسي « وينبغي أن يتجنب مخالطة السفلة من الناس والأدنين منهم، ولا يعامل إلا من نشأ في خير، ويجتنب معاملة ذوي العاهات والمحارفين. ولا ينبغي أن يخالط أحدا من الأكراد، ويتجنب مبايعتهم ومشاراتهم ومناكحتهم» (النهاية- الشيخ الطوسي ص 373).

قال ابن إدريس الحلي « ولا ينبغي أن يخالط أحدا من الأكراد ، ويتجنب مبايعتهم ، ومشاراتهم ، ومناكحتهم. قال محمد بن إدريس: وذلك راجع إلى كراهية معاملة من لا بصيرة له، فيما يشتريه، ولا فيما يبيعه، لأن الغالب على هذا الجيل، والقبيل، قلة البصيرة، لتركهم مخالطة الناس، وأصحاب البصائر» (السرائر - ابن إدريس الحلي ج 2 ص 233).

وقال يحيى بن سعيد الحلي « ويكره مخالطة الاكراد ببيع وشراء ونكاح» (الجامع للشرايع ص245).

وقال الحلي « مسألة : يكره له معاملة الاكراد ومخالطتهم ويتجنب مبايعتهم ومشاركتهم ومناكحتهم لما رواه الشيخ عن ابي الربيع الشامي قال سالت ابا عبد الله عليه السلام قلت ان عندنا قوما من الاكراد وانهم لا يزالون يجتنبون مخالطتهم ومبايعتهم فقال عليه السلام يا ابا ربيع لا تخالطوهم فان الاكراد حي من احياء الجن كشف الله عنهم الغطاء فلا تخالطوهم وكذلك يكره معاملة اهل الذمة» (منتهى المطلب الحلي ج2ص 1003 تذكرة الفقهاء للحلي ج 1 ص 586 جواهر الكلام - الشيخ الجواهري ج 22 ص 457 علل الشرائع - الشيخ الصدوق ج 2 ص 527 :

وعن الصادق ( ع ) لا تنكحوا من الاكراد احدا فانهن حبس من الجن كشف عنهم العظاء» (تذكرة الفقهاء العلامة الحلي ج 2 ص 569).

لا تناكحوا الأكراد

وعن أبي الربيع الشامي قال: قال لي أبو عبد الله عليه السلام: لا تشتر من السودان أحدا، فإن كان لا بد فمن النوبة، فإنهم من الذين قال الله تعالى (ومن الذين قالوا أنا نصارى أخذنا ميثاقهم فنسوا حظا مما ذكروا به) إنهم يتذكرون ذلك الحظ، وسيخرج مع القائم منا عصابة منهم ولا تنكحوا من الاكراد أحدا فإنهن جيش من الجن كشف عنهم الغطاء» (المهذب البارع لابن فهد الحلي3/182 مسالك الأفهام الشهيد الثاني ج3 ص 186 وانظر المهذب البارع لابن فهد الحلي ج3 ص 182 تجد فيه بابا بعنوان (باب من كره مناكحته من الاكراد والسودان وغيرهم ج5/ 352 مجمع الفائدة - المحقق الأردبيلي ج 8 ص 129 وسائل الشيعة (آل البيت ) الحر العاملي ج 02 ص 84 وسائل الشيعة (الإسلامية) - الحر العاملي ج 21 ص 307.

وينبغي ان يتجنب مخالفة السفلة من الناس والادنين منهم ولا يعامل الا من نشأ في الخير ويكره معاملة ذوي العاهات والمحارفين ويكره معاملة الاكراد ومخالطتهم ومناكحتهم» (كفاية الأحكام- المحقق السبزواري ص84 الحدائق الناضرة - المحقق البحراني ج 81 ص 40 : و ج 42 ص 111 جامع المدارك - السيد الخوانساري ج 3 ص 137 - تهذيب الأحكام - الشيخ الطوسي ج 7 ص 11 وسائل الشيعة (آل البيت ) - الحر العاملي ج 71 ص 416).

جامع الرواة - محمد علي الأردبيلى ج1ص 75 1 / ص و102 باب اختيار - الازواج وفي [ في ] في باب من كره مناكحته من الاكراد

 

[Allah Seeker 1,204]

On 8/15/2011 at 3:12 AM, Ya Aba 3abdillah said:

ولا ننسى البطل صلاح الدين الأيوبي الذي أسقط دولة الباطنيين الروافض ونصره الله بعدها مباشرة على الصليبيين.

by the way, this text is copy pasted with an introduction by a user on some forum probably who is basically saying "let us not forget what heroes the Kurds have been in Islam and what great Mujahedeen".

The first example he gives is how the "hero" Salah el Deen (a Kurd who betrayed his Fatimid Ismaili Shia masters and backstabbed them) brought down the false rafidi nation, and then his victory of Allah OVER the Crusades.

First of all, in Egypt the golden age of Islam in terms of anything was the Fatimid dynasty. If you look at architecture, there is no competition, including the founding of the capital al Qahira/ Cairo. But forget about architecture, public services like hospitals, just look at education. The first universities on EARTH are Fatimid, and the university that they created in Cairo was closed and became until today the main seat of Sunni intellectual scholarship. What does that tell you? What did Salah el Deen bring to Islam? The Fatimids definitely brought a lot, and their education system is just one of these things. There you go on proofs for that.

What concerns Mr. Salah el Deen al Kurdi's shady war with the Crusaders, there is ample evidence that he actually was a crusader himself. How can it be that the that he had a victory over them, when he actually joined them? They became best of friends, and then they created an order called the Order of Saladin, which is still active today i believe:

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The Templar Order honours the Treaty of Ramla of 1192 AD between King Richard the Lionheart and the Sultan Salahadin [22] [23], which declared peace and essentially united the Templars with the Knights of Saladin.

That key treaty was restored and reconfirmed by the Treaty of Acre of 1229 AD between Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II and Saladin’s successor Al-Kamil, supporting mutual cooperation of the Knights Templar with Muslim Saracens in preserving Holy sites and heritage. [24]

Such joint Templar-Muslim cooperation continues today, expanded to general restoration of the collective sacred knowledge and underlying principles of Faith which belong to all of humanity, together upholding those pillars of civilization.

While the modern Order of the Temple of Solomon preserves its own Christian traditions, as well as its more ancient origins as the foundation of all spiritual religions, its membership is otherwise interfaith and non-denominational.

The Order understands that Islam requires a special approach to accommodate Muslim members: Instead of calling Muslims “Templars”, giving the appearance of them adopting Christian traditions, the Order prefers to fully respect and preserve authentic spiritual Islam in its own right, and to support and celebrate the integrity of its Arabian traditions which Muslim members contribute to the Order.

Supported by active guidance and consultation from authorities of Islam, the Templar Order has recovered and restored many essential traditions of the Sultan Saladin, Arabian Chivalry and related elements of Sufi heritage.

Ironically, as the legitimate historical institution of the original Knights Templar from 1118 AD, vested with its own inherent and independent Fons Honourum authority since 2013 AD, the Order uniquely possesses the relevant “heraldic jurisdiction” to “recognize” the authenticity and legitimacy of its own historical “enemy” from the 12th century (also as the direct legal counter-party to its own peace treaty since 1192 AD) [25] [26].

Accordingly, the Order exercised its legal capacity as a sovereign Principality under customary international law, to grant a Charter of “recognition” and Sovereign Patronage to the authentic “Knights of the Order of Saladin”.

The Order of Saladin was reestablished as an autonomous organization parallel to the Order of the Temple of Solomon, such that the Templars provide a center of operations and supporting infrastructure to the Saracen partner Order. In this way, the Templar Order presents a gift of reconciliation and appreciation to the Muslim world, embodied in the restored chivalric Order of Saladin backed by Templar Patronage.

Just as the Muslims gave a gift of ancient heritage of the origins of Christianity to the founding Knights Templar, the modern Templar Order now reciprocates by giving back key elements of the heritage of ancient Arabian Chivalry and sacred knowledge to the Muslim world.

All Muslims who exemplify and are dedicated to the Code of Chivalry of 1066 AD, following the example of Saladin, who see themselves as connected with the Knights Templar by shared spiritual values and common core beliefs, are admitted to the Knights of the Order of Saladin. Membership is granted by “sovereign recognition” from the Templar Order, recognizing that each person genuinely represents and thereby belongs to the authentic tradition of Saladin.

All members of the Order of Saladin are thereby automatically considered to be in full membership and active participation within the Order of the Temple of Solomon. In this way, the Order of Saladin effectively serves as the “Muslim side” of the Templar Order.

This arrangement allows Muslim members to preserve their distinct cultural identity in accordance with the customs of Islam, while giving full and equal access to membership benefits and all forms of participation in the Order. Muslim members thus actively engage with Templars within the Order of the Temple of Solomon, not by compromising to adopt Christian culture, but rather by faithfully representing their own religion, and by preserving and embodying the Arabian Chivalry of Saladin.

 

What kind of a defeat OVER the Templers is that? At most they can call this a peace treaty, but in reality he joined them!

Official heraldic seal of the Knights of the Order of Saladin, under sovereign patronage of the Order of the Temple of Solomon

https://www.knightstemplarorder.org/muslims-in-membership/

The guy that brother Abaabdilah copy pasted just wants to defame shia and show "what shia think of Kurds". And it obviously worked for some Kurds like the original poster of this thread.

2 hours ago, Northwest said:

وينبغي أن يتجنب مخالطة السفلة من الناس والأدنين منهم

Some people might interpret these two words as low-life and maybe 'scum', but it's got nothing to do with physical or mental disability as far as I know. You can check in dictionaries or the likes.

 

[Allah Seeker 1,204]

I found this 

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According to one of their legends, this is how the Kurds came to be:

King Solomon, seeking to fill out his harem, sent 500 of the servant spirits known as jinn to the West to find the 500 most beautiful virgins. After a long search, the jinn returned with 500 girls ''as graceful and sweet as the full moon in May,'' but too late. Solomon was dead.

So the 500 jinn married the 500 maidens and settled down in the Zagros mountains of present-day western Iran. There, amid green hills and clear streams, they gave birth to the Kurds.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1991-04-28-9102070701-story.html

I read elsewhere that the above is from Jewish books, and possibly the Talmud, and has been accepted by some Islamic scholars too.

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This last is the story which Mas'udi regards as the most probable, apparently because it agrees with the traditions handed down from immemorial ages among certain tribes living as far apart as Syria and Adharbaijan. But he adds two other legends which he has heard in the course of his inquiries. The first of these is that some trace their ancestry back to slave-girls belonging to King Solomon. When this monarch, the story ran, was deprived of his crown, certain of these girls, who were infidels, bore children by a demon named Jasad ; Solomon, on his restoration by God to royal power, learnt of these children whom the demon had begotten and drove them forth - into the mountains and valleys, together with their mothers. There they increased and multiplied exceedingly, and became the ancestors of the Kurdish race. The last version given by Mas'udi is quite different. According to it there was once a tyrant named Dahhak dhu-'l-Afwah on whose shoulders there had grown two serpents which fed upon human brains. The Persians, infuriated at the massacres perpetrated by the followers of Dahhak in the endeavour to keep the serpents supplied with their proper diet, raised a considerable force, at the head of which they put the jinn 'Afridiin. This 'Afridun seized Dahhak and banished him to Mount Danbawand, but the tyrant's chief minister succeeded daily in slaughtering a man and a ram, whose blood he mixed and fed thereon the two serpents. Finally those Persians who escaped this fate fled into the mountains and adopted the lives of savages; and there they married and bore children, by whom they became the parents of the Kurds.

STUDIES IN KURDISH HISTORY By G. R. DRIVER,

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One of the oldest versions of this myth belongs to the fourth century BC and appeared in the writings of Xenophon. Once the Greek army was returning to their homeland from Persia and passing through current Kurdistan region, they faced a group of “dreadful fighters.” Then a soldier narrates that they may be apparently of the “congregation of genies” who came out of the holes and cast stone at them (Keikhosravi, 2003, p. 21). This legend takes a different figure in the Islamic period and it is narrated that,

Oghouz Khan, the Turk, sends a Kurdish prince to the Islamic prophet. Upon seeing the huge and giant person with absorbing eyes and a swarthy complexion, the prophet was horrified and asked about his nationality. When he realized that “the person” was Kurdish, the prophet raised his hands and asked God: “Don’t let them (the Kurds), such a dreadful and giant enemy, become a united nation, forever.” (Kutschera, 1999, p. 10)

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2347798915596871

 

 

[Allah Seeker 1,204]

Some new findings:

 

As Strong As Mountains: A Kurdish Cultural Journey

 

Edited September 29 by Allah Seeker
added the reference link

[El Cid 805]

8 minutes ago, Allah Seeker said:

Some new findings:

 

As Strong As Mountains: A Kurdish Cultural Journey

 

 

I don't really see how this is relevant. Pashtun aren't kurds. I've seen the occasional blonde/red haired blue eyed individual amongst their populace as well. Both women and men. Some of my friends are Pashtun and look caucasian in features whilst a lot of them are the black haired with brown eyes as well.

[Allah Seeker 1,204]

And now we can guess why the Kurds chose that famous 21 pointed sun for their flag. Not only is the sun a fiery symbol, but it's based on a Yezidism

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Kurdistan#:~:text=A red%2C white%2C and green,rayed sun in the center.&text=When the Republic of Kurdistan,the official flag of Kurdistan.

 

[Allah Seeker 1,204]

6 minutes ago, El Cid said:

 

I don't really see how this is relevant. Pashtun aren't kurds. I've seen the occasional blonde/red haired blue eyed individual amongst their populace as well. Both women and men. Some of my friends are Pashtun and look caucasian in features whilst a lot of them are the black haired with brown eyes as well.

maybe among Kurds it's more prevalent. Anyway, there are theories now that Jinn are represented by blue eyes and blonde individuals, or that the original ones have these complexions. You can find plenty of info on that in this YouTube channel, that would add to the list of Jinn-related tribes, the Berbers, Gaelics, Druze, and basically all the ruling families of the world. There seems to be some archeological evidence for this 

 

[El Cid 805]

1 minute ago, Allah Seeker said:

maybe among Kurds it's more prevalent. Anyway, there are theories now that Jinn are represented by blue eyes and blonde individuals, or that the original ones have these complexions. You can find plenty of info on that in this YouTube channel, that would add to the list of Jinn-related tribes, the Berbers, Gaelics, Druze, and basically all the ruling families of the world. There seems to be some archeological evidence for this 

 

I'm sorry my brother but I can't take a video called "Dragon bloodlines and the Serprent seed" very seriously. It reeks of David Icke. I'll just say Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows best and leave it at that.