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Abu Bakr The Best Possible Leader?

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Look at what it says, "So Allah sent down His tranquillity upon him!!!" Did Allah say He sent the tranquility to Abu Bakr? No of course not, there is only one person mentioned in Allah's response! Nice try though lol.

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(Then Allah sent down His Sakinah upon him) sent His aid and triumph to His Messenger , or they say it refers to Abu Bakr,(tafseer ibn katheer)

TAFSEER JALALAYN

Then God sent down His Spirit of Peace upon him, His reassurance — some say this means upon the Prophet, others, that it means upon Abū Bakr

So its seems to be a matter of dispute that on whom was sakinah sent anyways it was sent on the one who need it during that situation..

However prophet(Saw) saying that Allah is with "US" itself is agreat virtue, since Allah is with true believers.. just compare the answer of moses(as) he said :

And when the two hosts saw each other, the companions of Mûsa (Moses) said: "We are sure to be overtaken." (61) [Mûsa (Moses)] said: "Nay, verily! With me is my Lord, He will guide me." (62) (Al-Shuara )

Moses didnt say with "us" , yet prophet(Saw) said with "us" what would have stopped him from saying Allah is with "me" , like how moses(as) said... see both the situations were very similar...

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[009:100] And (as for) the foremost, the first of the Muhajirs and the Ansars, and those who followed them in goodness, Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them for ever; that is the mighty achievement.

Both Shia and Sunni agree on the fact that Abu Bakr was among the Muhajirs and especially did hijrah with the Prophet himself . Hence all the qualities and good news of paradise must be applied to him , without a shadow of doubt .

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(bismillah)

(salam)

Very interesting Quranic comment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FYTTCwvc7o

Companions of Moses:

ÝóáóãóøÇ ÊóÑóÇÁóì ÇáúÌóãúÚóÇäö ÞóÇáó ÃóÕúÍóÇÈõ ãõæÓóìٰ ÅöäóøÇ áóãõÏúÑóßõæäó

ÞóÇáó ßóáóøÇ ۖ Åöäóø ãóÚöíó ÑóÈöøí ÓóíóåúÏöíäö

[shakir 26:61] So when the two hosts saw each other, the companions of Musa cried out: Most surely we are being overtaken.

[shakir 26:62] He said: By no means; surely my Lord is with me: He will show me a way out.

But with Abu Bakr, the Companion of the Prophet(pbuh):

ÅöáóøÇ ÊóäúÕõÑõæåõ ÝóÞóÏú äóÕóÑóåõ Çááóøåõ ÅöÐú ÃóÎúÑóÌóåõ ÇáóøÐöíäó ßóÝóÑõæÇ ËóÇäöíó ÇËúäóíúäö ÅöÐú åõãóÇ Ýöí ÇáúÛóÇÑö ÅöÐú íóÞõæáõ áöÕóÇÍöÈöåö áóÇ ÊóÍúÒóäú Åöäóø Çááóøåó ãóÚóäóÇ ۖ ÝóÃóäúÒóáó Çááóøåõ ÓóßöíäóÊóåõ Úóáóíúåö æóÃóíóøÏóåõ ÈöÌõäõæÏò áóãú ÊóÑóæúåóÇ æóÌóÚóáó ßóáöãóÉó ÇáóøÐöíäó ßóÝóÑõæÇ ÇáÓõøÝúáóìٰ ۗ æóßóáöãóÉõ Çááóøåö åöíó ÇáúÚõáúíóÇ ۗ æóÇááóøåõ ÚóÒöíÒñ Íóßöíãñ

[shakir 9:40] If you will not aid him, Allah certainly aided him when those who disbelieved expelled him, he being the second of the two, when they were both in the cave, when he said to his companion: Grieve not, surely Allah is with us. So Allah sent down His tranquillity upon him and strengthened him with hosts which you did not see, and made lowest the word of those who disbelieved; and the word of Allah, that is the highest; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

With the Companions of Moses (pbuh), Moses(pbuh) said, "God is with me."

But with Abu Bakr, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said, "God is with us."

The Prophet(pbuh) could have said "God is with me" like Moses(pbuh) did, but he specifically said "God is with us" and he does not speak from his hawa.

Thoughts?

w/s

Glad you quoted this. God is with us means he is with the Prophet (pbuh) and the one whom the Prophet (pbuh) left on his bed - in other words Ali (as).

The l'an was on Abu Bakr because the Prophet (pbuh) clearly told everyone not to leave their house on that night, so how could God be with him?

Even after such a clear evidence from the Quran you deny the status of syedna Abu bakar Ra? Was not it the best time for Allah to reveal the "reality" of Abu Bakr Ra to Mohamad PBUH? I wonder how the Prophet PBUH took the risk of going into the cave with a "munafiq" (maazAllah)

Try to understand that whats the root cause of all this trouble. The main issue is "Ghulu" exaggeration in the status of human beings which lead us to having extremly high expectations about them but when our rxpectations are countered by the historical record, we end up either rejecting it or doing taweel of that record or saying that "probably he was under taqiyya"

For us sunnies , no human is shari , noone is masoom except syedna Mohamad PBUH so we don'y have much issues interpreting the Quran and hadiths.

Ali ibn Abi Talib said to Zubair: “(Although) we got angry momentarily at the time of consultation (i.e. Saqifah), we can now see that Abu Bakr is the most deserving of the Caliphate: He was the companion of the Messenger of Allah in the cave. We know of his life and we know that the Messenger of Allah had ordered him to lead the prayers.” And then he (Ali) gave his Baya’ah (to Abu Bakr).

(Sharh Nahjul-Balagha; Ibn Abi Al-Hadeed; Vol.1, p.132)

Now how can the Salafis claim that Ibn Abi al-Hadeed was Shia? :)

The Sahaba ( may Allah be pleased with them all) were a picture of this verse of Quran and are free of all lies. (no exceptions have been made in this verse by Allah)

ãõøÍóãóøÏñ ÑóøÓõæáõ Çááóøåö æóÇáóøÐöíäó ãóÚóåõ ÃóÔöÏóøÇÁ Úóáóì ÇáúßõÝóøÇÑö ÑõÍóãóÇÁ Èóíúäóåõãú ÊóÑóÇåõãú ÑõßóøÚðÇ ÓõÌóøÏðÇ íóÈúÊóÛõæäó ÝóÖúáðÇ ãöøäó Çááóøåö æóÑöÖúæóÇäðÇ ÓöíãóÇåõãú Ýöí æõÌõæåöåöã ãöøäú ÃóËóÑö ÇáÓõøÌõæÏö Ðóáößó ãóËóáõåõãú Ýöí ÇáÊóøæúÑóÇÉö æóãóËóáõåõãú Ýöí ÇáúÅöäÌöíáö ßóÒóÑúÚò ÃóÎúÑóÌó ÔóØúÃóåõ ÝóÂÒóÑóåõ ÝóÇÓúÊóÛúáóÙó ÝóÇÓúÊóæóì Úóáóì ÓõæÞöåö íõÚúÌöÈõ ÇáÒõøÑóøÇÚó áöíóÛöíÙó Èöåöãõ ÇáúßõÝóøÇÑó æóÚóÏó Çááóøåõ ÇáóøÐöíäó ÂãóäõæÇ æóÚóãöáõæÇ ÇáÕóøÇáöÍóÇÊö ãöäúåõã ãóøÛúÝöÑóÉð æóÃóÌúÑðÇ ÚóÙöíãðÇ
(48:29)

Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. Thou (O Muhammad) seest them bowing and falling prostrate (in worship), seeking bounty from Allah and (His) acceptance. The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel like as sown corn that sendeth forth its shoot and strengtheneth it and riseth firm upon its stalk, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the disbelievers with (the sight of) them. Allah hath promised, unto such of them as believe and do good works, forgiveness and immense reward. 48:29

Glad you quoted this verse too, as this is another verse which is in praise of Ahlul Bayt (as) who never left him even for a moment, unlike your friends who continuously left him with the heat got too much in battle.

[009:100] And (as for) the foremost, the first of the Muhajirs and the Ansars, and those who followed them in goodness, Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them for ever; that is the mighty achievement.

Both Shia and Sunni agree on the fact that Abu Bakr was among the Muhajirs and especially did hijrah with the Prophet himself . Hence all the qualities and good news of paradise must be applied to him , without a shadow of doubt .

Keep on bringing those verses!

This verse is also for Ali ibn Abi Talib (as) and was confirmed by the Holy Prophet (pbuh) when he uses exactly the same words on the day of Khaybar for Ali (as) after 39 miserable days when the sahaba were unable to conquer the fort.

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.....Keep on bringing those verses!

This verse is also for Ali ibn Abi Talib (as) and was confirmed by the Holy Prophet (pbuh) when he uses exactly the same words on the day of Khaybar for Ali (as) after 39 miserable days when the sahaba were unable to conquer the fort.

Are you denying that Abu Bakr was a Muhajir ?

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Are you denying that Abu Bakr was a Muhajir ?

I am denying that this verse is for Abu Bakr.

Note the verse is not for all the Muhajirs, the first among them, and only those whom Allah is pleased with. On both counts, none other than Ali (as) was the first, and surely Allah was only pleased with him.

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I am denying that this verse is for Abu Bakr.

Note the verse is not for all the Muhajirs, the first among them, and only those whom Allah is pleased with. On both counts, none other than Ali (as) was the first, and surely Allah was only pleased with him.

01-Abu Bakr had the most honorable migration , with the Prophet himself . And who migrated first Ali or Abu Bakr ?

02- Almighty Allah pleased with Abu Bakr as well .

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01-Abu Bakr had the most honorable migration , with the Prophet himself . And who migrated first Ali or Abu Bakr ?

02- Almighty Allah pleased with Abu Bakr as well .

This verse is not about every single migrant, otherwise, what about the hypocrites? On the day of Khaybar, after everyone including Abu Bakr had been unsuccessful, the Prophet (pbuh) reminded the people as to who was referred to in this verse, and sent Ali (as) who returned with victory.

Allah is not pleased with Abu Bakr at all because he displeased Fatima Zahra (as) and she did not speak to him until she died. The Holy Prophet (pbuh) and it has been mentioned your sahih books - Fatima is a part of me, whoever displeases her, displeases me.

Save me the [Edited Out] about Abu Lahab's daughter.

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This verse is not about every single migrant, otherwise, what about the hypocrites? On the day of Khaybar, after everyone including Abu Bakr had been unsuccessful, the Prophet (pbuh) reminded the people as to who was referred to in this verse, and sent Ali (as) who returned with victory.

Allah is not pleased with Abu Bakr at all because he displeased Fatima Zahra (as) and she did not speak to him until she died. The Holy Prophet (pbuh) and it has been mentioned your sahih books - Fatima is a part of me, whoever displeases her, displeases me.

Save me the [Edited Out] about Abu Lahab's daughter.

Sayyed,

this muflis you are speaking to is not even Sunni, he accepts the ahadeeth that suit him and hence has no objective standard for history.

I wouldnt waste my time with such people.

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[009:100] And (as for) the foremost, the first of the Muhajirs and the Ansars, and those who followed them in goodness, Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them for ever; that is the mighty achievement.

Both Shia and Sunni agree on the fact that Abu Bakr was among the Muhajirs and especially did hijrah with the Prophet himself . Hence all the qualities and good news of paradise must be applied to him , without a shadow of doubt .

Salam

All the belivers who do good works Allah has pleasure in them and they have pleasure in him

[ 98:7] (And) lo! those who believe and do good works are the best of created beings.

[98:8] Their reward is with their Lord: Gardens of Eden underneath which rivers flow, wherein they dwell for ever. Allah hath pleasure in them and they have pleasure in Him. This is (in store) for him who feareth his Lord.

For pleasure of Allah two things are required (1) Iman (2) Good works

And both things are required up to last moment

[3:102] O ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam.

Goodness is condition

Surah At-Taubah was revealed in hijri 9.

So verse 9:100 is talking about “Muhajir and Ansar” who passed away after Hijrah till the time of verse 9:100 reaveled and who go after them with good ness

Verse 9:100 does not say Alssabiqoona elal Iman.

Waalssabiqoona: Who have gone before(passed away)

Alawwaloona mina almuhajireena waalansari: From early people of Muhajirn and Ansar

waallatheena ittabaAAoohum: And Who go after them

biihsanin: With goodness

Radiya Allahu AAanhum waradoo AAanhu: Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him.

Verse 9:100 is not for all Muhajir and Ansar but only for those who passed away with goodness and who go after them with goodness

They will be pleased with Allah after they will get reward of hereafter 98:8.

If Allah is pleased with all Why Muhajir are addressed in following way?

[60:1] O ye who believe! Choose not My enemy and your enemy for allies. Do ye give them friendship when they disbelieve in that truth which hath come unto you, driving out the messenger and you because ye believe in Allah, your Lord? If ye have come forth to strive in My way and seeking My good pleasure, (show them not friendship). Do ye show friendship unto them in secret, when I am Best Aware of what ye hide and what ye proclaim? And whosoever doeth it among you, he verily hath strayed from the right way.

Verse 52:21 is similar to verse 9:100

[ 52:21] And (as for) those who believe and their offspring follow them with faith, We will unite with them their offspring and We will not diminish to them aught of their work; every man is responsible for what he shall have wrought.

Meaning of alssabiqoona is clear from following verse

[shakir 20:99] Thus do We relate to you (some) of the news of what has gone before[sabak]; and indeed We have given to you a Reminder from Ourselves.

[Pickthal 20:99] Thus relate We unto thee (Muhammad) some tidings of that which happened of old, and We have given thee from Our presence a reminder.

[Yusufali 20:99] Thus do We relate to thee some stories of what happened before: for We have sent thee a Message from Our own Presence.

Meaning of Alawwaloona is clear from following verse

أَوَآبَاؤُنَا الْأَوَّلُونَ {17}

[shakir 37:17] Or our fathers of yore?

[Pickthal 37:17] And our forefathers?

[Yusufali 37:17] "And also our fathers of old?"

بَلْ قَالُوا مِثْلَ مَا قَالَ الْأَوَّلُونَ {81}

[shakir 23:81] Nay, they say the like of what the ancients said:

[Pickthal 23:81] Nay, but they say the like of that which said the men of old;

[Yusufali 23:81] On the contrary they say things similar to what the ancients said.

wsalam

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TAFSEER IBN KATHEER

(Then Allah sent down His Sakinah upon him) sent His aid and triumph to His Messenger , or they say it refers to Abu Bakr,(tafseer ibn katheer)

TAFSEER JALALAYN

Then God sent down His Spirit of Peace upon him, His reassurance — some say this means upon the Prophet, others, that it means upon Abū Bakr

So its seems to be a matter of dispute that on whom was sakinah sent anyways it was sent on the one who need it during that situation..

However prophet(Saw) saying that Allah is with "US" itself is agreat virtue, since Allah is with true believers.. just compare the answer of moses(as) he said :

And when the two hosts saw each other, the companions of Mûsa (Moses) said: "We are sure to be overtaken." (61) [Mûsa (Moses)] said: "Nay, verily! With me is my Lord, He will guide me." (62) (Al-Shuara )

Moses didnt say with "us" , yet prophet(Saw) said with "us" what would have stopped him from saying Allah is with "me" , like how moses(as) said... see both the situations were very similar...

ۖ وَهُوَ مَعَكُمْ أَيْنَ مَا كُنْتُمْ ۚ وَاللَّهُ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ بَصِيرٌ {4}

[57:4, and He is with you wherever you are; and Allah sees what you do.

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اسْتَعِينُوا بِالصَّبْرِ وَالصَّلَاةِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَ الصَّابِرِينَ {2:153:}

[2:153] O you who believe! seek assistance through patience and prayer; surely Allah is with the patient.

وَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَ الْمُتَّقِينَ {194}

[2:194] and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

as per verse 57:4 Allah is with all then what is great virtue for Abu Bakr?

In which context prophet(saw) said for him?

You have to prove that Abu bakr is either 'Sabir or Muttaki' then only it will be virtue for him.

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Sayyed,

this muflis you are speaking to is not even Sunni, he accepts the ahadeeth that suit him and hence has no objective standard for history.

I wouldnt waste my time with such people.

Thanks for the heads up bro. :)

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æóåõæó ãóÚóßõãú Ãóíúäó ãóÇ ßõäúÊõãú ۚ æóÇááøóåõ ÈöãóÇ ÊóÚúãóáõæäó ÈóÕöíÑñ {4}

[57:4, and He is with you wherever you are; and Allah sees what you do.

íóÇ ÃóíøõåóÇ ÇáøóÐöíäó ÂãóäõæÇ ÇÓúÊóÚöíäõæÇ ÈöÇáÕøóÈúÑö æóÇáÕøóáóÇÉö ۚ Åöäøó Çááøóåó ãóÚó ÇáÕøóÇÈöÑöíäó {2:153:}

[2:153] O you who believe! seek assistance through patience and prayer; surely Allah is with the patient.

æóÇÚúáóãõæÇ Ãóäøó Çááøóåó ãóÚó ÇáúãõÊøóÞöíäó {194}

[2:194] and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

as per verse 57:4 Allah is with all then what is great virtue for Abu Bakr?

In which context prophet(saw) said for him?

You have to prove that Abu bakr is either 'Sabir or Muttaki' then only it will be virtue for him.

regarding 57:4 its in general for every human(muslims and non muslims)... when Allah says "he is with you" ...

But the rest verses shows that he is with the believers who posses certain qualities like: those who are patient(2:153) , and those who guard against evil( 2:194) , So this implies that hz abubakar(ra) posses these qualities and many more inshallah thats why prophet(Saw) said Allah is with "us" .. which indicates that he had these qualities with him that is why Allah was with him..

And you cannot insert the verse 57:4 here because its a general verse, but these are specific to Believers only , and the words of 9:40 also shows that it was for believers not general, prophet(Saw) said Allah is with us(9;40) this excluded the mushriks and non believers. And it was for prophet(Saw) and hz abubakar(ra)....

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This verse is not about every single migrant, otherwise, what about the hypocrites? On the day of Khaybar, after everyone including Abu Bakr had been unsuccessful, the Prophet (pbuh) reminded the people as to who was referred to in this verse, and sent Ali (as) who returned with victory.

Allah is not pleased with Abu Bakr at all because he displeased Fatima Zahra (as) and she did not speak to him until she died. The Holy Prophet (pbuh) and it has been mentioned your sahih books - Fatima is a part of me, whoever displeases her, displeases me.

Save me the [Edited Out] about Abu Lahab's daughter.

The verse is talking about the foremost of the Muhajirun and obviously according Shia and Sunni reports , Abu Bakr is one of them .

Secondly Abu Bakr was not hypocrite.

Lastly, Fatima was also angry with Ali on several occasions , did that mean Almighty Allah was not pleased with Ali ?

As the failed Sailor Yahya already informed you that I give a little credit to fabricated Sunni/Shia Ahdith and Sirah literatures unless it 100% agree with the infallible book of Allah , i.e., the Qur’an , save it in your memory for future .

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All the belivers who do good works Allah has pleasure in them and they have pleasure in him

[ 98:7] (And) lo! those who believe and do good works are the best of created beings.

[98:8] Their reward is with their Lord: Gardens of Eden underneath which rivers flow, wherein they dwell for ever. Allah hath pleasure in them and they have pleasure in Him. This is (in store) for him who feareth his Lord.

For pleasure of Allah two things are required (1) Iman (2) Good works

And both things are required up to last moment

[3:102] O ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam.

Goodness is condition

As Ahadith and Sirah concern Abu Bakr died with Iman and with good Amal .

Surah At-Taubah was revealed in hijri 9.

So verse 9:100 is talking about “Muhajir and Ansar” who passed away after Hijrah till the time of verse 9:100 reveled and who go after them with good ness

Verse 9:100 does not say Alssabiqoona elal Iman.

Waalssabiqoona: Who have gone before(passed away)

Alawwaloona mina almuhajireena waalansari: From early people of Muhajirn and Ansar

waallatheena ittabaAAoohum: And Who go after them

biihsanin: With goodness

Radiya Allahu AAanhum waradoo AAanhu: Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him.

Verse 9:100 is not for all Muhajir and Ansar but only for those who passed away with goodness and who go after them with goodness

They will be pleased with Allah after they will get reward of hereafter 98:8.

If Allah is pleased with all Why Muhajir are addressed in following way?

[60:1] O ye who believe! Choose not My enemy and your enemy for allies. Do ye give them friendship when they disbelieve in that truth which hath come unto you, driving out the messenger and you because ye believe in Allah, your Lord? If ye have come forth to strive in My way and seeking My good pleasure, (show them not friendship). Do ye show friendship unto them in secret, when I am Best Aware of what ye hide and what ye proclaim? And whosoever doeth it among you, he verily hath strayed from the right way.

Verse 52:21 is similar to verse 9:100

[ 52:21] And (as for) those who believe and their offspring follow them with faith, We will unite with them their offspring and We will not diminish to them aught of their work; every man is responsible for what he shall have wrought.

Meaning of alssabiqoona is clear from following verse

[shakir 20:99] Thus do We relate to you (some) of the news of what has gone before[sabak]; and indeed We have given to you a Reminder from Ourselves.

[Pickthal 20:99] Thus relate We unto thee (Muhammad) some tidings of that which happened of old, and We have given thee from Our presence a reminder.

[Yusufali 20:99] Thus do We relate to thee some stories of what happened before: for We have sent thee a Message from Our own Presence.

Meaning of Alawwaloona is clear from following verse

ÃóæóÂ

ÈóÇÄõäóÇ ÇáúÃóæøóáõæäó {17}

[shakir 37:17] Or our fathers of yore?

[Pickthal 37:17] And our forefathers?

[Yusufali 37:17] "And also our fathers of old?"

Èóáú ÞóÇáõæÇ ãöËúáó ãóÇ ÞóÇáó ÇáúÃóæøóáõæäó {81}

[shakir 23:81] Nay, they say the like of what the ancients said:

[Pickthal 23:81] Nay, but they say the like of that which said the men of old;

[Yusufali 23:81] On the contrary they say things similar to what the ancients said.

wsalam

Verse 9:98, 9:99 , 9:100 , 9:101 , 9:102 all start with 'Wa' . I can't see any reason why we need to assume that in 9:100 Muhajirun were the dead persons , rather each and every translators regard Sabiqoona Awwaluna as the quality :

Yusuf Ali:

[009:100] The vanguard (of Islam)- the first of those who forsook (their homes) and of those who gave them aid, and (also) those who follow them in (all) good deeds,- well- pleased is God with them, as are they with Him: for them hath He prepared gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein for ever: that is the supreme felicity.

Dr. Munir Munshey

[009:100] Allah is well pleased with the foremost ones among the ‘mohajirs’ _ (those who migrated with the messenger from Makkah to Medina) and the ‘ansars’ _ (those who helped the ‘mohajirs’), and the others who followed them in good faith. They (too) are well pleased with Him. For them, He has prepared the paradise, through which run the rivers. They shall live there forever and ever. That is the greatest triumph!

Transliteration:

[009:100] Waalssabiqoona al-awwaloona mina almuhajireena waal-ansari waallatheena ittabaAAoohum bi-ihsanin radiya Allahu AAanhum waradoo AAanhu waaAAadda lahum jannatin tajree tahtaha al-anharu khalideena feeha abadan thalika alfawzu alAAatheemu

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Sher Ali:

[009:100] And as for the foremost among the believers, the first of the Emigrants and the Helpers, and those who followed them in the best possible manner, Allah is well-pleased with them and they are well-pleased with HIM, and HE has prepared for them Gardens underneath which streams flow. They will abide therein for ever. That is the supreme triumph.

Shakir:

[009:100] And (as for) the foremost, the first of the Muhajirs and the Ansars, and those who followed them in goodness, Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them for ever; that is the mighty achievement.

Pickthall:

[009:100] And the first to lead the way, of the Muhajirin and the Ansar, and those who followed them in goodness - Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him, and He hath made ready for them Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever. That is the supreme triumph.

Sale:

[009:100] As for the leaders and the first of the Mohajerin, and the Ansars, and those who have followed them in well doing; God is well pleased with them, and they are well pleased in him: And He hath prepared for them gardens watered by rivers; they shall remain therein for ever. This shall be great felicity.

Muhammad Al-Hilali & Muhsin Khan:

[009:100] And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhajiroon (those who migrated from Makkah to Al-Madinah) and the Ansar (the citizens of Al-Madinah who helped and gave aid to the Muhajiroon) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allah is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success.

Palmer:

[009:100] As for the foremost in the race, the first of those who fled, and the helpers, and those who followed them in their kindness, God is well pleased with them, and they are well pleased with Him; He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, to dwell therein for aye; that is the mighty happiness.

Arberry:

[009:100] And the Outstrippers, the first of the Emigrants and the Helpers, and those who followed them in good-doing -- God will be well-pleased with them and they are well-pleased with Him; and He has prepared for them gardens underneath which rivers flow, therein to dwell forever and ever; that is the mighty triumph.

Khalifa:

[009:100] As for the early vanguards who immigrated (Muhajerin), and the supporters who gave them refuge (Ansar) and those who followed them in righteousness, GOD is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him. He has prepared for them gardens with flowing streams, wherein they abide forever. This is the greatest triumph.

Rodwell:

[009:100] As for those who led the way, the first of the Mohadjers, and the Ansars, and those who have followed their noble conduct, God is well pleased with them, and they with Him: He hath made ready for them gardens under whose trees the rivers flow: to abide therein for aye: this shall be the great bliss:

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The verse is talking about the foremost of the Muhajirun and obviously according Shia and Sunni reports , Abu Bakr is one of them .

Secondly Abu Bakr was not hypocrite.

Lastly, Fatima was also angry with Ali on several occasions , did that mean Almighty Allah was not pleased with Ali ?

As the failed Sailor Yahya already informed you that I give a little credit to fabricated Sunni/Shia Ahdith and Sirah literatures unless it 100% agree with the infallible book of Allah , i.e., the Qur’an , save it in your memory for future .

Yes, I failed a sailing course when I was fifteen :cry: ....Not! What the hell are you ranting on about?!

As for your methodology, its ironic because it means everything:

History, Hadith, Jurisprudence all becomes subject to your interpretation of the Qur'an, not the Qur'an itself.

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Lastly, Fatima was also angry with Ali on several occasions , did that mean Almighty Allah was not pleased with Ali ?

Sallam alliekom

i thought you were a Quranist? (Quran Only)

Show me a Verse in the Quran Lady Fatima (as) was Angry at Imam Ali (as)

plus if you are Relying on sunni Sources That made you come to this conclusion than you are a Sunni, since to shia's Sunni Sources doesnt mean a thing

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Abu bakr as a Leader wasn't the Best

in the Prophets (pbuh) Life, his Leadership failed at Khaibar

and when it came to People Issues *to Sunni Sources*, he Either Lacked Knowledge or forcefully just took Fadak from Lady Fatima (as)

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Verily, the people who payed allegience to Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman, have payed allegience to me based on the same principles as the allegience to them. So anyone who was present has no right to go against his pledge of allegience, and anyone who was absent has no right to oppose it. And verily shura (consultation) is only the right of the Muhajirs and the Ansar. So if they decide upon a man and declare him their imam, then it is with the pleasure of Allah. If anyone goes against this decision, then he must be persuaded to follow the rest of the people. If he persists, then fight with him for leaving that which has been accepted by the believers. And Allah shall let him wander misguided and not guide him. (Nahjul-Balaghah, Letter #6)

here are wordings of Ayatolla Muhammad Husayn Tabatabai:

Describing situation when first caliph was elected, Ayatolla Muhammad Husayn Tabatabai, said:

«This group (the one who chosed Abu Bakr) which was later to form the majority, set forth in great haste to select caliph for the Muslims with the aim of ensuring the welfare of the community and solving its immediate problems».

Source: «A series of islam and shia» p 56, 1-st edition,

printed by Ansariyan in 2005.

The interesting part in this quote is a fact, that this ayatolla admitted the aim of Muslims which chose Abu Bakr. They aim wasn’t taking ruling from ahlel-bayt, or make oppression. Aim was ensuring the welfare of the community.

Very same Tabatabai said:

“The first caliph was selected through the vote OF THE MAJORITY of the companions”.

Source: “A series of islam and shia” p 66, publisher: Al-Hoda

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akhi do not speak of such lies against the ahla-al kisa (33:33), fear Allah (swt)

Don't take your words back . Let us see who are liars , me or your Hujjas :

01. It is narrated on the authority of Abu Abdullah Jafar Al-Sadiq: A miserable of the miserables came to Fatima, the daughter of the Messenger of Allah, and said to her: “Did you not know that Ali proposed to marry (Khataba) the daughter of Abu Jahl?” She said: “Is it true what you say? He said three times: “What I say is true.” Jealousy entered into her (heart) to an extent she could not control, for Allah has ordained that women be jealous and that men perform Jihad, and He has made the reward of the patient (woman) similar to that of the Murabit and Muhajir in the way of Allah.

He said: And Fatima’s anguish became severe and she remained thinking about it until night time…she moved to her father’s residence. Ali came to his residence and did not see Fatima and his anguish increased and became great on him, even though he did not know what happened, and he was ashamed to call her from her father’s house so he went to the Masjid and prayed as much as Allah willed, and he collected some of the sand in the Masjid and laid on it.

When the Prophet saw how sad and anguished Fatima was, he poured water over himself and wore his clothes and entered the Masjid. He kept praying, making Rukoo and Sujood, and after every time he completed two Raka he made Du’a that Allah remove what Fatima had of sadness and anguish because he left her turning over and breathing heavily. When the Prophet saw that she could not sleep and could not rest he said: “O daughter, rise!” So she rose and the Prophet carried Al-Hassan and she carried Al-Hussain and took hold of Umm Kulthoom’s hand until they reached Ali (as) while he was sleeping.

The Prophet put his foot on Ali, pinched him, and said: “Rise Abu Turab! You have disturbed many a resting person. Call for me Abu Bakr from his house and Umar from his Majlis and Talha.” So Ali went and got them from their houses and they gathered around the Messenger of Allah.

The Messenger of Allah then said: “O Ali! Do you not know that Fatima is a piece of me and I am from her. Whoever disturbs her, disturbs me and whoever disturbs me has disturbed Allah, and whoever disturbs her after my death then as if he has disturbed her in my lifetime and whoever disturbed her in my lifetime then as if he has disturbed her after my death.”

(source: Ibn Babveh Al Qummi’s “Elal Al-Sharae’”, pp.185-186, Al-Najaf Print; also narrated in Majlisi “Bihar” 43/201-202)

02. Al-Qummi and Al-Majlisi narrated on the authority of Abu Thar: I migrated with Jafar ibn Abi Talib to Abyssynia. A slave girl worth 4,000 dirhams was given to Jafar as a gift. When we came to Medinah he gave it to Ali as a gift that she may serve him. Ali kept her in Fatima’s house. One day Fatima entered and saw that his head was in the girl’s lap. She said: “O Abu Al-Hasan! Have you done it!?” He said: “O daughter of Muhammad! I have done nothing, so what is it that you want?” She said: “Do you allow me to go to my father’s house?” He said: “I will allow you.” So she wore her Jilbab and went to the Prophet.

(source: Ibn Babaveh Al-Qummi’s “Elal Al-Sharae’”, p.163; it is also narrated in Bihar Al-Anwar, pp.43-44, Chapter on “How her life with Ali was”)

03. “When Fatima asked for Fadak from Abu Bakr and he refused to give it to her, she returned full of anger that could not be described and she was sick; and she was angry with Ali because he refused to help her.”

(Source : Al-Majlisi’s Haqq-ul-Yaqeen, pp.203-204; also recorded in Al-Tusi’s Amali, p.295)

Sallam alliekom

i thought you were a Quranist? (Quran Only)

Show me a Verse in the Quran Lady Fatima (as) was Angry at Imam Ali (as)

plus if you are Relying on sunni Sources That made you come to this conclusion than you are a Sunni, since to shia's Sunni Sources doesnt mean a thing

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Abu bakr as a Leader wasn't the Best

in the Prophets (pbuh) Life, his Leadership failed at Khaibar

and when it came to People Issues *to Sunni Sources*, he Either Lacked Knowledge or forcefully just took Fadak from Lady Fatima (as)

I am a Muslim and asked me first whether did Almighty Allah care even to mention the name of Ali or Fatima in the Quran .

I am singing Shia chorus here . To me Abu Bakr , Umar , Fatima or Ali mean nothing because they are nothing to Almighty Allah .

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Don't take your words back . Let us see who are liars , me or your Hujjas :

01. It is narrated on the authority of Abu Abdullah Jafar Al-Sadiq: A miserable of the miserables came to Fatima, the daughter of the Messenger of Allah, and said to her: “Did you not know that Ali proposed to marry (Khataba) the daughter of Abu Jahl?” She said: “Is it true what you say? He said three times: “What I say is true.” Jealousy entered into her (heart) to an extent she could not control, for Allah has ordained that women be jealous and that men perform Jihad, and He has made the reward of the patient (woman) similar to that of the Murabit and Muhajir in the way of Allah.

He said: And Fatima’s anguish became severe and she remained thinking about it until night time…she moved to her father’s residence. Ali came to his residence and did not see Fatima and his anguish increased and became great on him, even though he did not know what happened, and he was ashamed to call her from her father’s house so he went to the Masjid and prayed as much as Allah willed, and he collected some of the sand in the Masjid and laid on it.

When the Prophet saw how sad and anguished Fatima was, he poured water over himself and wore his clothes and entered the Masjid. He kept praying, making Rukoo and Sujood, and after every time he completed two Raka he made Du’a that Allah remove what Fatima had of sadness and anguish because he left her turning over and breathing heavily. When the Prophet saw that she could not sleep and could not rest he said: “O daughter, rise!” So she rose and the Prophet carried Al-Hassan and she carried Al-Hussain and took hold of Umm Kulthoom’s hand until they reached Ali (as) while he was sleeping.

The Prophet put his foot on Ali, pinched him, and said: “Rise Abu Turab! You have disturbed many a resting person. Call for me Abu Bakr from his house and Umar from his Majlis and Talha.” So Ali went and got them from their houses and they gathered around the Messenger of Allah.

The Messenger of Allah then said: “O Ali! Do you not know that Fatima is a piece of me and I am from her. Whoever disturbs her, disturbs me and whoever disturbs me has disturbed Allah, and whoever disturbs her after my death then as if he has disturbed her in my lifetime and whoever disturbed her in my lifetime then as if he has disturbed her after my death.”

(source: Ibn Babveh Al Qummi’s “Elal Al-Sharae’”, pp.185-186, Al-Najaf Print; also narrated in Majlisi “Bihar” 43/201-202)

02. Al-Qummi and Al-Majlisi narrated on the authority of Abu Thar: I migrated with Jafar ibn Abi Talib to Abyssynia. A slave girl worth 4,000 dirhams was given to Jafar as a gift. When we came to Medinah he gave it to Ali as a gift that she may serve him. Ali kept her in Fatima’s house. One day Fatima entered and saw that his head was in the girl’s lap. She said: “O Abu Al-Hasan! Have you done it!?” He said: “O daughter of Muhammad! I have done nothing, so what is it that you want?” She said: “Do you allow me to go to my father’s house?” He said: “I will allow you.” So she wore her Jilbab and went to the Prophet.

(source: Ibn Babaveh Al-Qummi’s “Elal Al-Sharae’”, p.163; it is also narrated in Bihar Al-Anwar, pp.43-44, Chapter on “How her life with Ali was”)

03. “When Fatima asked for Fadak from Abu Bakr and he refused to give it to her, she returned full of anger that could not be described and she was sick; and she was angry with Ali because he refused to help her.”

(Source : Al-Majlisi’s Haqq-ul-Yaqeen, pp.203-204; also recorded in Al-Tusi’s Amali, p.295)

I am a Muslim and asked me first whether did Almighty Allah care even to mention the name of Ali or Fatima in the Quran .

I am singing Shia chorus here . To me Abu Bakr , Umar , Fatima or Ali mean nothing because they are nothing to Almighty Allah .

Sallam Alliekom

i would play the Copy & Paste Game with you

but i'm not going to Paste the refutation, but you can check it in

http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/fadak/en/chap11.php

instead of me just pasting whatever in there, go and read and stop spreading the garbage of half quoting *on first tradition you pasted* and accusations you make on Imam Ali (as)

have a good day ;)

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regarding 57:4 its in general for every human(muslims and non muslims)... when Allah says "he is with you" ...

But the rest verses shows that he is with the believers who posses certain qualities like: those who are patient(2:153) , and those who guard against evil( 2:194) , So this implies that hz abubakar(ra) posses these qualities and many more inshallah thats why prophet(Saw) said Allah is with "us" .. which indicates that he had these qualities with him that is why Allah was with him..

And you cannot insert the verse 57:4 here because its a general verse, but these are specific to Believers only , and the words of 9:40 also shows that it was for believers not general, prophet(Saw) said Allah is with us(9;40) this excluded the mushriks and non believers. And it was for prophet(Saw) and hz abubakar(ra)....

Incident which took place during Hijra was revealed after 9 Years of Hijrah.

The second discourse (vv., 38-72) was sent down in Rajab A. H. 9 or a little before this, when the Holy Prophet was engaged in making preparations for the Campaign, of Tabuk. In this discourse, the Believers were urged to take active part in Jihad, and the shirkers were severely rebuked for holding back their wealth and for hesitation to sacrifice their lives in the way of Allah because of their hypocrisy, weak faith or negligence.

Here Allah subhanhu Addressing companions who ran away during war of Hunain

[9:25] Certainly Allah helped you in many battlefields and on the day of Hunain, when your great numbers made you vain, but they availed you nothing and the earth became strait to you notwithstanding its spaciousness, then you turned back retreating.

When they ran away Allah subhanhu sent down tranquility upon his messengers and believers who remained with prophet(saw)

[9:26] Then Allah sent down His tranquillity upon His Messenger and upon the believers, and sent down hosts which you did not see, and chastised those who disbelieved, and that is the reward of the unbelievers.

In the same way a companion whoes action of crying could put the life of prohet(saw) in danger in a cave so prophet told him that Allah is with us

In the condition of life of prophet in danger by act of crying of companion Allah subhanhu sent down tranquility upon prophet(saw) and helped him with hosts.

[ 9:40] If you will not aid him, Allah certainly aided him when those who disbelieved expelled him, he being the second of the two, when they were both in the cave, when he said to his companion: Grieve not, surely Allah is with us. So Allah sent down His tranquillity upon him and strengthened him with hosts which you did not see, and made lowest the word of those who disbelieved; and the word of Allah, that is the highest; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

When prophet said to his companion in cave that Allah is with us means help of Allah is with us same word Allah subhanhu said to companions who ran away from battlefield.

“Certainly Allah helped you in many battlefields and on the day of Hunain” means Allah was with them still they ran away.

When we go through verses 9:25-26, and verse 9:40 it carries same meaning.

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Was he truly the most capable and best leader after the Prophet (saw)?

Was there not a single creation amongst them that could have done the job any better than him? If not, then please bring your reason and evidence.

If so, then who was it? And why were they not put in control?

Imam Ali (as) was much more capable leader in any sense (Source is His actions and words). Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) clearly announced the successor and it is in the event of Khadir al Khum. I really don't understand how in the world people can think that "mawla" means here friend when the context of the hadith speak about the authority?

Then the Messenger of Allah continued: "Do I not have more right over

the believers than what they have over themselves?" People cried and

answered: "Yes, O' Messenger of God." Then Prophet (pbuh) held up the

hand of Ali and said: "Whoever I am his Mawla, Ali is his

Mawla. O' God, love those who love him, and be hostile to

those who are hostile to him."

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