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thank you. finally you come up with correct answer as asked by your friend. (smile)

So a hadith in some sunan unknown is more sahih then Bukhari.

See that is why i have so much respect for Sunni Hocus Pocus aka Ilm-ul-Rijaj as the ultimate form of the art of contortion.

You cannot possibly argue with people who specialize in the art of heads i win tails you loose argument. Brother Bhooka Bhayria had to throw in the towel out of sheer frustration.

Well i have seen your type enough, so let me continue where the brother left off.

You are trying to prove that everybody loved everybody and Arab and the conquered territories were a land of milk and honey. If that is correct, we will start our discussion from here.

Till then ciao.

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batil according to your thought & fabrication.

But our view is that they all love each other.

& Allah honored sahaba in quran with very very clear verses, & those verses are so so clear that in your life you will not find your base verse of wilayat/imamat of 12.

But who cares?

& you know not.

My deen is not built in non trustworthy reports.

Better rely on trustworthy reports like this one which clearly says Abu bakr (ra) & fatima (ra) was pleased with each other before her death:

When Fatima became ill, Abu Bakr came to her and asked for permission to enter. So Ali said, ‘O Fatima, this is Abu Bakr asking for permission to enter.’ She answerd, ‘Do you want me to give him permission?’ He said, ‘Yes.’ So she allowed him (to enter), and he came in seeking her pleasure, so he told her: ‘By Allah, I only left my home and property and my family seeking the pleasure of Allah and His Messenger and you, O Ahlel Bayt.’ So he talked to her until she was pleased with him.” (Sunan Al-Bayhaqi, vol 6)

This Hadith is narrated by Bayhaqi in al Sunan al Kubra (6:300-301) and Dala’il al-Nubuwwa (7:273-281) who said: “It is narrated with a good (hasan) chain.” Muhibb al Din al-Tabari cited it in al Riyad Al Nadira (2:96-97 #534) and Dhahabi in the Siyar (Ibid).

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Al-Bayhaqi, Ibn Kathir, and Ibn Hajar all authenticate this hadith & Ibn Kathir states it as Sahih in his Al Bidayah and Ibn Hajar in his Fath Al Bari.

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“And it’s proven from him [Ali] in “tawatur” form, that He said on the minbaar in Kufa: “O people! The best one in this Ummah after her Prophet is Abu Bakr [ra] , then Umar [ra] . And if I wanted to say you the third name, I would do that.”

So what is the ruling of denying tawatur? Few weak and gharib narrations or narrations took out of context can’t over rule tawatur and Ijma.

why are you bringing me sunni books? i am a shia, for sake of argument you have to bring shia books.

if lady fatima(sa) was pleased with abubakr and umar then why did she told imam ali (as) to bury her during night?

look at what abubakr says on his deathbed where he confesses his crime :

Abu Bakr said (on his death bed): "I wish I had not searched for

Fatimah's house, and had not sent men to harass her, though it would

have caused a war if her house would have continued to be used as a

shelter."

Sunni references:

- History of Ya'qubi, v2, pp 115-116

- Ansab Ashraf, by al-Baladhuri, v1, pp 582,586

Abu Mohammad Abdullah Ibn Muslim Ibn Qutaybah

Daynuri in his history of Caliphs known as "al-Imamah wa al- Siyasah"

reported:

Umar asked for wood, and told those people inside the house: "I swear

by Allah who has my soul in his hand, that if you do not come out, I

will burn the house." Someone told Umar that Fatimah was inside the

house. Umar said: "So what! It doesn't matter to me who is in the

house."

Sunni reference: al-Imamah wa al-Siyasah by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, pp 3,19-20

al-Baladhuri, reported that:

Abu Bakr asked Ali to support him, but Ali refused, then Umar went

toward the Ali's house with a burning torch. At the door he met

Fatimah who said to him: "Do you intend to burn the door of my house?"

Umar said: "Yes, because this act will strengthen the faith brought to

us by your father."

Sunni reference: al-Ansab Ashraf, by al-Baladhuri, v1, pp 582,586

Ali and Abbas were sitting inside the house of Fatimah, Abu Bakr told

Umar: "Go and bring them; if they refuse, kill them." Umar brought

fire to burn the house. Fatimah came near the door and said: "O son of

Khattab, have you come to burn our house on me and my children?" Umar

replied: "Yes I will, by Allah, until they come out and pay allegiance

to the Prophet's Caliph."

Sunni reference:

- Iqd al-Fareed, by Ibn Abd Rabb, Part 3, Pg. 63

- al-Ghurar, by Ibn Khazaben, related from Zayd Ibn Aslam

Also refer to the esteemed Sunni historian Abul Hasan, Ali Ibn al-Husain al-

Mas'udi who in his book 'Isbaat al-Wasiyyah' describes the events in detail

and reports that: "They surrounded Ali (as) and burned the door of his

house and pulled him out against his will and pressed the leader of all

women (Hadhrat Fatimah (as)) between the door and the wall killing Mohsin

(the male-child she was carrying in her womb for six months)."

Salahuddin Khalil al-Safadi another Sunni scholar in his book 'Waafi al-

Wafiyyaat' under the letter 'A' while recording the view of Ibrahim Ibn

Sayyar Ibn Hani al-Basri, well-known as Nidhaam quotes him to have said:

"On the day of 'Bay'aat' (paying allegiance), Umar hit Fatimah (as) on the

stomach such that child in her womb died."

During her last days, when Abu Bakr and Umar sought the mediation of Imam

Ali (as) to visit the ailing Hadhrat Fatimah (as), as quoted by Ibn

Qutaybah, she tured her face to the wall when they greeted her and in

response to their plea for appeasement reminded them of the prophetic

declaration that one who displeases Fatimah (as) has displeased the Prophet

and finally said: "I take Allah and the angels to be my witness that you

have not pleased me; on the other hand, you have angered me. When I shall

meet the Prophet (PBUH&HF) I will complain about you two." (al-Imamah wa al-

Siyasah, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, p14).

For the same reason, she willed that those who have hurt her should not

participate in her funeral rites and that she be buried at night. al-

Bukhari in his Sahih attests to this fact that Imam Ali (as) complied with

the will of Lady Fatimah (as). al-Bukhari narrated on the authority of

Aisha that:

... Fatimah became angry with Abu Bakr and kept away from him, and did

not talk to him till she died. She remained alive for six months after

the death of the Prophet. When she died, her husband 'Ali, buried her

at night without informing Abu Bakr and he said the funeral prayer by

himself.

Sunni references:

- Sahih al-Bukhari, Chapter of "The battle of Khaibar", Arabic-English,

v5, tradition #546, pp 381-383, also v4, Tradition #325

yu see here the reporter is aisha and its from sahih bukhari, Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: "Fatimah is a part of me. Whoever makes her angry, makes me angry."

Sunni references:

- Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English, v5, Traditions #61 and #111

- Sahih Muslim, section of virtues of Fatimah, v4, pp 1904-5

The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: Four women are the mistress of

the worlds: Mary, Asiya (the wife of Pharaoh), Khadija, and Fatimah.

And the most excellent one among them in the world is Fatimah."

Sunni references: Ibn Asakir, as quoted in Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor

Allah, Exalted He is, said in Quran:"(O Prophet) tell (people) I don't ask

you any wage except to love my family." (Quran 42:23).

He also said:"(O Prophet) tell (people) whatever I asked as wage (in return

for my prophethood) is in the benefit of you (people)."(Quran 34:47).

so you still dont want to beleive that abubakr and umar killed lady fatima(sa). Al-Bukhari narrated:

Umar said: "And no doubt after the death of the Prophet we were

informed that the Ansar disagreed with us and gathered in the shed of

Bani Sa'da. 'Ali and Zubair and whoever was with them, opposed us,

while the emigrants gathered with Abu Bakr."

Sunni Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English, v8, Tradition #817

Sunni traditionists narrated that on the day of Saqifah:

Umar said: "Ali Ibn Abi Talib, Zubair Ibn Awwam and those who were

with them separated from us (and gathered) in the house of Fatimah,

the daughter of the messenger of Allah."

Sunni References:

- Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p55

- Sirah al-Nabawiyyah, by Ibn Hisham, v4, p309

- History of Tabari (Arabic), v1, p1822

- History of Tabari, English version, v9, p192

When Umar came to the door of the house of Fatimah, he said:

"By Allah, I shall burn down (the house) over you unless you come out

and give the oath of allegiance (to Abu Bakr)."

Sunni References:

- History of Tabari (Arabic), v1, pp 1118-1120

- History of Ibn Athir, v2, p325

- al-Isti'ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v3, p975

- Tarikh al-Kulafa, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, p20

- al-Imamah wal-Siyasah, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, pp 19-20

Abu Bakr said on the authority of an authentic report that, after the

demise of the holy Prophet when the people had paid fealty to him, Ali and

Zubair used to go to Fatimah al-Zahra, daughter of the Prophet, for

consultation. When this fact was known to Umar, he went to Fatimah and

said:

"O' daughter of the Prophet! I didn't love anyone as much as I

loved your father, nor anyone after him is more loving to me as

you are. But I swear by Allah that if these people assemble

here with you, then this love of mine would not prevent me from

setting your house on fire."

Sunni references:

- History of Tabari, in the events of the year 11 AH

- al-Imamah wa al-Siyasah by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, beginning of the book,

and pp 19-20

- Izalatul Khilafa, by Shah Waliullah Muhaddith Dehlavi, v2, p362

- Iqd al-Farid, by Ibn Abd Rabbah al-Malik, v2, chapter of Saqifah

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why are you bringing me sunni books? i am a shia, for sake of argument you have to bring shia books.

because you were using sunni narrations.

& i am not master of shia theology like here each & every shia consider himself master of sunni theology. (smile)

if lady fatima(sa) was pleased with abubakr and umar then why did she told imam ali (as) to bury her during night?

look at what abubakr says on his deathbed where he confesses his crime :

Abu Bakr said (on his death bed): "I wish I had not searched for

Fatimah's house, and had not sent men to harass her, though it would

have caused a war if her house would have continued to be used as a

shelter."

Sunni references:

- History of Ya'qubi, v2, pp 115-116

- Ansab Ashraf, by al-Baladhuri, v1, pp 582,586

Abu Mohammad Abdullah Ibn Muslim Ibn Qutaybah

Daynuri in his history of Caliphs known as "al-Imamah wa al- Siyasah"

reported:

Umar asked for wood, and told those people inside the house: "I swear

by Allah who has my soul in his hand, that if you do not come out, I

will burn the house." Someone told Umar that Fatimah was inside the

house. Umar said: "So what! It doesn't matter to me who is in the

house."

Sunni reference: al-Imamah wa al-Siyasah by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, pp 3,19-20

al-Baladhuri, reported that:

Abu Bakr asked Ali to support him, but Ali refused, then Umar went

toward the Ali's house with a burning torch. At the door he met

Fatimah who said to him: "Do you intend to burn the door of my house?"

Umar said: "Yes, because this act will strengthen the faith brought to

us by your father."

Sunni reference: al-Ansab Ashraf, by al-Baladhuri, v1, pp 582,586

Ali and Abbas were sitting inside the house of Fatimah, Abu Bakr told

Umar: "Go and bring them; if they refuse, kill them." Umar brought

fire to burn the house. Fatimah came near the door and said: "O son of

Khattab, have you come to burn our house on me and my children?" Umar

replied: "Yes I will, by Allah, until they come out and pay allegiance

to the Prophet's Caliph."

Sunni reference:

- Iqd al-Fareed, by Ibn Abd Rabb, Part 3, Pg. 63

- al-Ghurar, by Ibn Khazaben, related from Zayd Ibn Aslam

Also refer to the esteemed Sunni historian Abul Hasan, Ali Ibn al-Husain al-

Mas'udi who in his book 'Isbaat al-Wasiyyah' describes the events in detail

and reports that: "They surrounded Ali (as) and burned the door of his

house and pulled him out against his will and pressed the leader of all

women (Hadhrat Fatimah (as)) between the door and the wall killing Mohsin

(the male-child she was carrying in her womb for six months)."

Salahuddin Khalil al-Safadi another Sunni scholar in his book 'Waafi al-

Wafiyyaat' under the letter 'A' while recording the view of Ibrahim Ibn

Sayyar Ibn Hani al-Basri, well-known as Nidhaam quotes him to have said:

"On the day of 'Bay'aat' (paying allegiance), Umar hit Fatimah (as) on the

stomach such that child in her womb died."

During her last days, when Abu Bakr and Umar sought the mediation of Imam

Ali (as) to visit the ailing Hadhrat Fatimah (as), as quoted by Ibn

Qutaybah, she tured her face to the wall when they greeted her and in

response to their plea for appeasement reminded them of the prophetic

declaration that one who displeases Fatimah (as) has displeased the Prophet

and finally said: "I take Allah and the angels to be my witness that you

have not pleased me; on the other hand, you have angered me. When I shall

meet the Prophet (PBUH&HF) I will complain about you two." (al-Imamah wa al-

Siyasah, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, p14).

For the same reason, she willed that those who have hurt her should not

participate in her funeral rites and that she be buried at night. al-

Bukhari in his Sahih attests to this fact that Imam Ali (as) complied with

the will of Lady Fatimah (as). al-Bukhari narrated on the authority of

Aisha that:

... Fatimah became angry with Abu Bakr and kept away from him, and did

not talk to him till she died. She remained alive for six months after

the death of the Prophet. When she died, her husband 'Ali, buried her

at night without informing Abu Bakr and he said the funeral prayer by

himself.

Sunni references:

- Sahih al-Bukhari, Chapter of "The battle of Khaibar", Arabic-English,

v5, tradition #546, pp 381-383, also v4, Tradition #325

yu see here the reporter is aisha and its from sahih bukhari, Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: "Fatimah is a part of me. Whoever makes her angry, makes me angry."

Sunni references:

- Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English, v5, Traditions #61 and #111

- Sahih Muslim, section of virtues of Fatimah, v4, pp 1904-5

The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: Four women are the mistress of

the worlds: Mary, Asiya (the wife of Pharaoh), Khadija, and Fatimah.

And the most excellent one among them in the world is Fatimah."

Sunni references: Ibn Asakir, as quoted in Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor

Allah, Exalted He is, said in Quran:"(O Prophet) tell (people) I don't ask

you any wage except to love my family." (Quran 42:23).

He also said:"(O Prophet) tell (people) whatever I asked as wage (in return

for my prophethood) is in the benefit of you (people)."(Quran 34:47).

so you still dont want to beleive that abubakr and umar killed lady fatima(sa). Al-Bukhari narrated:

Umar said: "And no doubt after the death of the Prophet we were

informed that the Ansar disagreed with us and gathered in the shed of

Bani Sa'da. 'Ali and Zubair and whoever was with them, opposed us,

while the emigrants gathered with Abu Bakr."

Sunni Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English, v8, Tradition #817

Sunni traditionists narrated that on the day of Saqifah:

Umar said: "Ali Ibn Abi Talib, Zubair Ibn Awwam and those who were

with them separated from us (and gathered) in the house of Fatimah,

the daughter of the messenger of Allah."

Sunni References:

- Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p55

- Sirah al-Nabawiyyah, by Ibn Hisham, v4, p309

- History of Tabari (Arabic), v1, p1822

- History of Tabari, English version, v9, p192

When Umar came to the door of the house of Fatimah, he said:

"By Allah, I shall burn down (the house) over you unless you come out

and give the oath of allegiance (to Abu Bakr)."

Sunni References:

- History of Tabari (Arabic), v1, pp 1118-1120

- History of Ibn Athir, v2, p325

- al-Isti'ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v3, p975

- Tarikh al-Kulafa, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, p20

- al-Imamah wal-Siyasah, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, pp 19-20

Abu Bakr said on the authority of an authentic report that, after the

demise of the holy Prophet when the people had paid fealty to him, Ali and

Zubair used to go to Fatimah al-Zahra, daughter of the Prophet, for

consultation. When this fact was known to Umar, he went to Fatimah and

said:

"O' daughter of the Prophet! I didn't love anyone as much as I

loved your father, nor anyone after him is more loving to me as

you are. But I swear by Allah that if these people assemble

here with you, then this love of mine would not prevent me from

setting your house on fire."

Sunni references:

- History of Tabari, in the events of the year 11 AH

- al-Imamah wa al-Siyasah by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, beginning of the book,

and pp 19-20

- Izalatul Khilafa, by Shah Waliullah Muhaddith Dehlavi, v2, p362

- Iqd al-Farid, by Ibn Abd Rabbah al-Malik, v2, chapter of Saqifah

refuted many times. so please present authenticity first, then ask for refutation.

as i said:

& Hafiz ibn Katheer in “Bidaya wal Nihaya” vol 7, chapter “شيء من فضائل أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب” wrote:

وقد ثبت عنه بالتواتر أنه قال على منبر الكوفة‏:‏ أيها الناس‏!‏ إن خير هذه الأمة بعد نبيها أبو بكر ثم عمر، ولو شئت أن أسمي الثالث لسميت‏

“And it’s proven from him [Ali] in “tawatur” form, that He said on the minbaar in Kufa: “O people! The best one in this Ummah after her Prophet is Abu Bakr [ra] , then Umar [ra] . And if I wanted to say you the third name, I would do that.”

So what is the ruling of denying tawatur? Few weak and gharib narrations or narrations took out of context can’t over rule tawatur and Ijma.

Edited by ibn.askari

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i think you missed the point

Sunni Narations is hujjah on you, and not on shia's, so you can quote as many Sunni Hadiths to prove your claim, it doesnt mean anything to a Shia... while a Shia Uses Sunni Hadiths because it is Hujjah on Sunni's

For Example

if You want to Prove Jesus is not God to a Christian, you don't Quote the Quran, because you know what Christians consider the Quran.. but you go From their Sources that is hujjah on them which is the Bible

and that's what's your doing,, u're quoting Sunni Hadiths, which is to Shia's means nothing, hence shia's Use Sunni Hadiths to prove Their Points From Sunni Perspective ;)

guess i explained well now :)

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i think you missed the point

Sunni Narations is hujjah on you, and not on shia's, so you can quote as many Sunni Hadiths to prove your claim, it doesnt mean anything to a Shia... while a Shia Uses Sunni Hadiths because it is Hujjah on Sunni's

For Example

if You want to Prove Jesus is not God to a Christian, you don't Quote the Quran, because you know what Christians consider the Quran.. but you go From their Sources that is hujjah on them which is the Bible

and that's what's your doing,, u're quoting Sunni Hadiths, which is to Shia's means nothing, hence shia's Use Sunni Hadiths to prove Their Points From Sunni Perspective ;)

guess i explained well now :)

i think you didnot followed any point.

this is your ignorance that all unauthentic narrations are also hujjah.

& i didnot used sunni authentic hadith so that it can be hujjah on you, but i used the sunni hadith only because you were using "sunni hadiths out of context + twisting the translation + half quoting" therefore i used authentic sunni source to reject your baised thought.

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i think you didnot followed any point.

this is your ignorance that all unauthentic narrations are also hujjah.

& i didnot used sunni authentic hadith so that it can be hujjah on you, but i used the sunni hadith only because you were using "sunni hadiths out of context + twisting the translation + half quoting" therefore i used authentic sunni source to reject your baised thought.

it's good to know Sahih bukhari is not Authentic to you :)

peace be with you

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batil according to your thought & fabrication.

But our view is that they all love each other.

& Allah honored sahaba in quran with very very clear verses, & those verses are so so clear that in your life you will not find your base verse of wilayat/imamat of 12.

But who cares?

& you know not.

My deen is not built in non trustworthy reports.

Better rely on trustworthy reports like this one which clearly says Abu bakr (ra) & fatima (ra) was pleased with each other before her death:

When Fatima became ill, Abu Bakr came to her and asked for permission to enter. So Ali said, ‘O Fatima, this is Abu Bakr asking for permission to enter.’ She answerd, ‘Do you want me to give him permission?’ He said, ‘Yes.’ So she allowed him (to enter), and he came in seeking her pleasure, so he told her: ‘By Allah, I only left my home and property and my family seeking the pleasure of Allah and His Messenger and you, O Ahlel Bayt.’ So he talked to her until she was pleased with him.” (Sunan Al-Bayhaqi, vol 6)

This Hadith is narrated by Bayhaqi in al Sunan al Kubra (6:300-301) and Dala’il al-Nubuwwa (7:273-281) who said: “It is narrated with a good (hasan) chain.” Muhibb al Din al-Tabari cited it in al Riyad Al Nadira (2:96-97 #534) and Dhahabi in the Siyar (Ibid).

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Al-Bayhaqi, Ibn Kathir, and Ibn Hajar all authenticate this hadith & Ibn Kathir states it as Sahih in his Al Bidayah and Ibn Hajar in his Fath Al Bari.

&

Salaams

Nice try, the chain goes back to Shu'bi, the reply is here:

http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/fadak/en/chap10.php

scroll down to Defence Five

enjoy

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it's good to know Sahih bukhari is not Authentic to you :)

peace be with you

when i said sahih bukhari is unauthentic?

i think it is impossible for any shia to ever understand sunni hadiths from sunni science point of view.

You people try to apply your science to our hadith! & blame us for this.

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Salaams

Nice try, the chain goes back to Shu'bi,

What about your hadiths, your imam can narrate hadith of prophet even they have 50-100 yrs of gap.

the reply is here:

http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/fadak/en/chap10.php

scroll down to Defence Five

enjoy

wow.

i hardly believe or read AA.org, because that website is full of pure jahils & top most liars.

Now again you shia applying shia hadith science on sunni hadith.

proof it how the hadith is mursal? & show that how many sunni scholars graded this sanad as mursal & how many sunni scholars graded this hadith as non-sahih.

For Al-Bayhaqi sanad from Shu'bi further, the example of sanad is like this:

أخبرنا أبو حازم الحافظ ، أنبأ أبو الحسن محمد بن أحمد بن حمزة الهروي ثنا أحمد بن نجدة ، ثنا سعيد بن منصور ، ثنا هشيم ، ثنا مجالد ، عن الشعبي

& as i said for this hadith:

لما مرضت فاطمة أتاها أبو بكر الصديق فاستأذن عليها فقال علي يا فاطمة هذا أبو بكر يستأذن عليك فقالت أتحب أن آذن له قال نعم فأذنت له فدخل عليها يترضاها فقال والله ما تركت الدار والمال والأهل والعشيرة إلا ابتغاء مرضاة الله ومرضاة رسوله ومرضاتكم أهل البيت ثم ترضاها حتى رضيت

Al-Bayhaqi, Ibn Kathir, and Ibn Hajar all authenticate this hadith & Ibn Kathir states it as Sahih in his Al Bidayah and Ibn Hajar in his Fath Al Bari.

so it is proved that sanad of al-bayhaqi was known therefore he graded sanad as sahih.

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because you were using sunni narrations.

& i am not master of shia theology like here each & every shia consider himself master of sunni theology. (smile)

refuted many times. so please present authenticity first, then ask for refutation.

as i said:

& Hafiz ibn Katheer in “Bidaya wal Nihaya” vol 7, chapter “شيء من فضائل أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب” wrote:

وقد ثبت عنه بالتواتر أنه قال على منبر الكوفة‏:‏ أيها الناس‏!‏ إن خير هذه الأمة بعد نبيها أبو بكر ثم عمر، ولو شئت أن أسمي الثالث لسميت‏

“And it’s proven from him [Ali] in “tawatur” form, that He said on the minbaar in Kufa: “O people! The best one in this Ummah after her Prophet is Abu Bakr [ra] , then Umar [ra] . And if I wanted to say you the third name, I would do that.”

So what is the ruling of denying tawatur? Few weak and gharib narrations or narrations took out of context can’t over rule tawatur and Ijma.

i dont care if you dont beleive your books, because your ulama beleive in it, your ulama beleive that sahih bukhari and sahih muslim are the most authentic books, if you dont beleive it well thats your personal problem my freind. i brought you sunni books because it is hujja on you, you beleive in it not me, ok. yet bukhari and muslim are part if sihah sittah,

look at how imam ali(as) viewed abubakr and umar which is written in Sahih Muslim Book 19, Number 4349 :Umar acknowledged the following to Imam 'Ali (as):

When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) passed away, Abu Bakr said:" I am the successor of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)." Both of you came to demand your shares from the property (left behind by the Messenger of Allah). (Referring to Hadhrat 'Abbas), he said: You demanded your share from the property of your nephew, and he (referring to 'Ali) demanded a share on behalf of his wife from the property of her father. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had said:" We do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is (to be given in) charity." So both of you thought him to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest. And Allah knows that he was true, virtuous, well-guided and a follower of truth. When Abu Bakr passed away and (I have become) the successor of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him), you thought me to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest.

you see my freind, imam ali viewed abubakr and umar to be liar,sinful,trecherous and dishonest,

look at what ABUHANIFA (the one who established hanafi school) thought about iman of abubakr: In Tarikh Baghdad Volume 13 page 373

"Imam Abu Hanifa said that Iblis and The Great Truthful one Abu Bakr were equal in Iman".

tarikh baghdad volume 13 page 373 , this is the sentence of the great alem of alulsunna imam azam abuhanifa.

Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said, "Some of my companions will come to me at my Lake Fount, and after I recognise them, they will then be taken away from me, whereupon I will say, 'My companions!' Then it will be said, 'You do not know what they innovated (new things) in the religion after you."

1. Sahih Bukhari, Hadith: 8.584

2. Sahih Muslim, part 15, pp 53-54

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i dont care if you dont beleive your books, because your ulama beleive in it, your ulama beleive that sahih bukhari and sahih muslim are the most authentic books, if you dont beleive it well thats your personal problem my freind. i brought you sunni books because it is hujja on you, you beleive in it not me, ok. yet bukhari and muslim are part if sihah sittah,

i believe in my books but in the light of hadith science.

I don't apply empty brain on sunni hadiths.

look at how imam ali(as) viewed abubakr and umar which is written in Sahih Muslim Book 19, Number 4349 :Umar acknowledged the following to Imam 'Ali (as):

When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) passed away, Abu Bakr said:" I am the successor of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)." Both of you came to demand your shares from the property (left behind by the Messenger of Allah). (Referring to Hadhrat 'Abbas), he said: You demanded your share from the property of your nephew, and he (referring to 'Ali) demanded a share on behalf of his wife from the property of her father. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had said:" We do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is (to be given in) charity." So both of you thought him to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest. And Allah knows that he was true, virtuous, well-guided and a follower of truth. When Abu Bakr passed away and (I have become) the successor of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him), you thought me to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest.

this is again your ignorence. You again half-quoted the hadith & i consider you fallible. (smile)

here is the hadith: http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=019&translator=2&start=55&number=4346

Sahih Muslim Book 19, Number 4349 :

It is reported by Zuhri that this tradition was narrated to him by Malik b. Aus who said: Umar b. al-Khattab sent for me and I came to him when the day had advanced. I found him in his house sitting on his bare bed-stead, reclining on a leather pillow. He said (to me): Malik, some people of your tribe have hastened to me (with a request for help). I have ordered a little money for them. Take it and distribute it among them. I said: I wish you had ordered somebody else to do this job. He said: Malik, take it (and do what you have been told). At this moment (his man-servant) Yarfa' came in and said: Commander of the Faithful, what do you say about Uthman, Abd al-Rabman b. 'Auf, Zubair and Sa'd (who have come to seek an audience with you)? He said: Yes, and permitted them. so they entered. Then he (Yarfa') came again and said: What do you say about 'Ali and Abbas (who are present at the door)? He said: Yes, and permitted them to enter. Abbas said: Commander of the Faithful, decide (the dispute) between me and this sinful, treacherous, dishonest liar. The people (who were present) also said: Yes. Commander of the Faithful, do decide (the dispute) and have mercy on them. Malik b. Aus said: I could well imagine that they had sent them in advance for this purpose (by 'Ali and Abbas). 'Umar said: Wait and be patient. I adjure you by Allah by Whose order the heavens and the earth are sustained, don't you know that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:" We (prophets) do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is (to be given in) charity"? They said: Yes. Then he turned to Abbas and 'Ali and said: I adjure you both by Allah by Whose order the heavens and earth are sustained, don't you know that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:" We do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is (to be given in) charity"? They (too) said: Yes. (Then) Umar said: Allah, the Glorious and Exalted, had done to His Messenger (may peace be upon him) a special favour that He has not done to anyone else except him. He quoted the Qur'anic verse:" What Allah has bestowed upon His Apostle from (the properties) of the people of township is for Allah and His Messenger". The narrator said: I do not know whether he also recited the previous verse or not. Umar continued: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) distrbuted among you the properties abandoned by Banu Nadir. By Allah, he never preferred himself over you and never appropriated anything to your exclusion. (After a fair distribution in this way) this property was left over. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) would meet from its income his annual expenditure, and what remained would be deposited in the Bait-ul-Mal. (Continuing further) he said: I adjure you by Allah by Whose order the heavens and the earth are sustained. Do you know this? They said: Yes. Then he adjured Abbas and 'All as he had adjured the other persons and asked: Do you both know this? They said: Yes. He said: When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) passed away, Abu Bakr said:" I am the successor of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)." Both of you came to demand your shares from the property (left behind by the Messenger of Allah). (Referring to Hadrat 'Abbas), he said: You demanded your share from the property of your nephew, and he (referring to 'Ali) demanded a share on behalf of his wife from the property of her father. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had said:" We do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is (to be given in) charity." So both of you thought him to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest. And Allah knows that he was true, virtuous, well-guided and a follower of truth. When Abu Bakr passed away and (I have become) the successor of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him), you thought me to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest. And Allah knows that I am true, virtuous, well-guided and a follower of truth. I became the guardian of this property. Then you as well as he came to me. Both of you have come and your purpose is identical. You said: Entrust the property to us. I said: If you wish that I should entrust it to you, it will be on the condition that both of you will undertake to abide by a pledge made with Allah that you will use it in the same way as the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used it. So both of you got it. He said: Wasn't it like this? They said: Yes. He said: Then you have (again) come to me with the request that I should adjudge between you. No, by Allah. I will not give any other judgment except this until the arrival of the Doomsday. If you are unable to hold the property on this condition, return it to me.

Note: as you can see that both ali (ra) & abbas (ra) satisfied what umar (ra) claimed i.e. the judgment of both was correct.

second thing: again the hadith is transmitted on the authority of zuhri (ra) , so it can be example of mudraj hadith & due to this word " liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest" was added.

& as i said:

& Hafiz ibn Katheer in “Bidaya wal Nihaya” vol 7, chapter “شيء من فضائل أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب” wrote:

وقد ثبت عنه بالتواتر أنه قال على منبر الكوفة‏:‏ أيها الناس‏!‏ إن خير هذه الأمة بعد نبيها أبو بكر ثم عمر، ولو شئت أن أسمي الثالث لسميت‏

“And it’s proven from him [Ali] in “tawatur” form, that He said on the minbaar in Kufa: “O people! The best one in this Ummah after her Prophet is Abu Bakr [ra] , then Umar [ra] . And if I wanted to say you the third name, I would do that.”

So what is the ruling of denying tawatur? Few weak and gharib narrations or narrations took out of context can’t over rule tawatur and Ijma.

you see my freind, imam ali viewed abubakr and umar to be liar,sinful,trecherous and dishonest,

look at what ABUHANIFA (the one who established hanafi school) thought about iman of abubakr: In Tarikh Baghdad Volume 13 page 373

"Imam Abu Hanifa said that Iblis and The Great Truthful one Abu Bakr were equal in Iman".

tarikh baghdad volume 13 page 373 , this is the sentence of the great alem of alulsunna imam azam abuhanifa.

proof it with authenticity

Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said, "Some of my companions will come to me at my Lake Fount, and after I recognise them, they will then be taken away from me, whereupon I will say, 'My companions!' Then it will be said, 'You do not know what they innovated (new things) in the religion after you."

1. Sahih Bukhari, Hadith: 8.584

2. Sahih Muslim, part 15, pp 53-54

as you can see here word used is "some of my companions" & we know from shia point of view that some remained to give bayah to abu bakr (ra) . (smile)

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i believe in my books but in the light of hadith science.

I don't apply empty brain on sunni hadiths.

this is again your ignorence. You again half-quoted the hadith & i consider you fallible. (smile)

here is the hadith: http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=019&translator=2&start=55&number=4346

Sahih Muslim Book 19, Number 4349 :

It is reported by Zuhri that this tradition was narrated to him by Malik b. Aus who said: Umar b. al-Khattab sent for me and I came to him when the day had advanced. I found him in his house sitting on his bare bed-stead, reclining on a leather pillow. He said (to me): Malik, some people of your tribe have hastened to me (with a request for help). I have ordered a little money for them. Take it and distribute it among them. I said: I wish you had ordered somebody else to do this job. He said: Malik, take it (and do what you have been told). At this moment (his man-servant) Yarfa' came in and said: Commander of the Faithful, what do you say about Uthman, Abd al-Rabman b. 'Auf, Zubair and Sa'd (who have come to seek an audience with you)? He said: Yes, and permitted them. so they entered. Then he (Yarfa') came again and said: What do you say about 'Ali and Abbas (who are present at the door)? He said: Yes, and permitted them to enter. Abbas said: Commander of the Faithful, decide (the dispute) between me and this sinful, treacherous, dishonest liar. The people (who were present) also said: Yes. Commander of the Faithful, do decide (the dispute) and have mercy on them. Malik b. Aus said: I could well imagine that they had sent them in advance for this purpose (by 'Ali and Abbas). 'Umar said: Wait and be patient. I adjure you by Allah by Whose order the heavens and the earth are sustained, don't you know that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:" We (prophets) do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is (to be given in) charity"? They said: Yes. Then he turned to Abbas and 'Ali and said: I adjure you both by Allah by Whose order the heavens and earth are sustained, don't you know that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:" We do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is (to be given in) charity"? They (too) said: Yes. (Then) Umar said: Allah, the Glorious and Exalted, had done to His Messenger (may peace be upon him) a special favour that He has not done to anyone else except him. He quoted the Qur'anic verse:" What Allah has bestowed upon His Apostle from (the properties) of the people of township is for Allah and His Messenger". The narrator said: I do not know whether he also recited the previous verse or not. Umar continued: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) distrbuted among you the properties abandoned by Banu Nadir. By Allah, he never preferred himself over you and never appropriated anything to your exclusion. (After a fair distribution in this way) this property was left over. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) would meet from its income his annual expenditure, and what remained would be deposited in the Bait-ul-Mal. (Continuing further) he said: I adjure you by Allah by Whose order the heavens and the earth are sustained. Do you know this? They said: Yes. Then he adjured Abbas and 'All as he had adjured the other persons and asked: Do you both know this? They said: Yes. He said: When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) passed away, Abu Bakr said:" I am the successor of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)." Both of you came to demand your shares from the property (left behind by the Messenger of Allah). (Referring to Hadrat 'Abbas), he said: You demanded your share from the property of your nephew, and he (referring to 'Ali) demanded a share on behalf of his wife from the property of her father. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had said:" We do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is (to be given in) charity." So both of you thought him to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest. And Allah knows that he was true, virtuous, well-guided and a follower of truth. When Abu Bakr passed away and (I have become) the successor of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him), you thought me to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest. And Allah knows that I am true, virtuous, well-guided and a follower of truth. I became the guardian of this property. Then you as well as he came to me. Both of you have come and your purpose is identical. You said: Entrust the property to us. I said: If you wish that I should entrust it to you, it will be on the condition that both of you will undertake to abide by a pledge made with Allah that you will use it in the same way as the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used it. So both of you got it. He said: Wasn't it like this? They said: Yes. He said: Then you have (again) come to me with the request that I should adjudge between you. No, by Allah. I will not give any other judgment except this until the arrival of the Doomsday. If you are unable to hold the property on this condition, return it to me.

Note: as you can see that both ali (ra) & abbas (ra) satisfied what umar (ra) claimed i.e. the judgment of both was correct.

second thing: again the hadith is transmitted on the authority of zuhri (ra) , so it can be example of mudraj hadith & due to this word " liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest" was added.

& as i said:

& Hafiz ibn Katheer in “Bidaya wal Nihaya” vol 7, chapter “شيء من فضائل أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب” wrote:

وقد ثبت عنه بالتواتر أنه قال على منبر الكوفة‏:‏ أيها الناس‏!‏ إن خير هذه الأمة بعد نبيها أبو بكر ثم عمر، ولو شئت أن أسمي الثالث لسميت‏

“And it’s proven from him [Ali] in “tawatur” form, that He said on the minbaar in Kufa: “O people! The best one in this Ummah after her Prophet is Abu Bakr [ra] , then Umar [ra] . And if I wanted to say you the third name, I would do that.”

So what is the ruling of denying tawatur? Few weak and gharib narrations or narrations took out of context can’t over rule tawatur and Ijma.

proof it with authenticity

as you can see here word used is "some of my companions" & we know from shia point of view that some remained to give bayah to abu bakr (ra) . (smile)

can you tell me when did the prophet appointed these 3 caliphs? yes and it is obvious from the crimes they have made that they will be in hell fire.

prove to me from authentic shia books. ok dont bring me sunni books i dont beleive in your books and they are not hujja on me.

plus your lie that you love the ahlulbayt(as) is clear from your love to their enemies.

appointing a caliph is not in our hands, such that your caliphs did, the prophet never said after me there will be 4 caliphs.

appointing caliph on earth is in hands of Allah. look at the quran. "O' David, we assigned you as Caliph (successor) on the earth ..."

(Quran 38:26)

"... We have assigned you (Abraham) as Imam (leader) for people ..."

(Quran 2:124)

As we see, Caliph/Imam for the mankind is assigned by Allah. See also 2:30

(about Adam). Even Prophet Moses, when he wanted to go to Miqaat, did not

ask people to form a Shura to assign a Caliph for him. Quran tells us that:

(Moses said: "O' Allah) assign me a vizier from my family, (that is)

my brother Aaron (Haroon) ...," (Allah) said: "We granted your

requests, O' Moses." (Quran 20:29-36).

"Surely We gave the book to Moses and assigned his brother Aaron as

his vizier." (Quran 25:35).

Allah also said:

"... And Moses said unto his brother Aaron: Take my place among the

people." (Quran 7:142).

Notice that "Ukhlufni" and "Khalifa" (Caliph) are exactly from the same root.

look at what the prophet said: The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Your position to me is like the

position of Aaron (Haroon) to Moses, except that there shall be no

Prophet after me"

Sunni References:

(1) Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English version, Traditions 5.56, 5.700

(2) Sahih Muslim, Arabic, v4, pp 1870-71

(3) Sunan Ibn Majah, p12

(4) Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p174

(5) al-Khasa'is, by al-Nisa'i, pp 15-16

(6) Mushkil al-Athar, by al-Tahawi, v2, p309

the prophet of islam said on ghadir khum infront of every muslim ,

The Messenger of Allah declared: "It seems the time approached when I

shall be called away (by Allah) and I shall answer that call. I am

leaving for you two precious things and if you adhere both of them,

you will never go astray after me. They are the Book of Allah and my

progeny, that is my Ahlul-Bayt. The two shall never separate from each

other until they come to me by the Pool (of Paradise)."

Then the Messenger of Allah continued: "Do I not have more right over

the believers than what they have over themselves?" People cried and

answered: "Yes, O' Messenger of God." Then Prophet (pbuh) held up the

hand of Ali and said: "Whoever I am his leader (Mawla), Ali is his

leader (Mawla). O' God, love those who love him, and be hostile to

those who are hostile to him."

Some of the Sunni references:

(1) Sahih Tirmidhi, v2, p298, v5, p63

(2) Sunan Ibn Maja, v1, pp 12,43

(3) Khasa'is, by al-Nisa'i, pp 4,21

(4) al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v2, p129, v3, pp 109-110,116,371

(5) Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, pp 84,118,119,152,330, v4, pp 281,368,370,

372,378, v5, pp 35,347,358,361,366,419 (from 40 chains of narrators)

(6) Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Hanbal, v2, pp 563,572

(7) Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v9, p103 (from several transmitters)

(8) Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, v12, pp 49-50

(9) Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthur, by al-Hafiz Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, v3, p19

(10) Tarikh al-Khulafa, by al-Suyuti, pp 169,173

(11) al-Bidayah wal-Nihayah, by Ibn Kathir, v3, p213, v5, p208

Revelation of Verse 5:3

Immediately after the Prophet (PBUH&HF) finished his speech, the following

verse of Holy Quran was revealed:

"Today I have perfected your religion and completed my bounty upon

you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion." (Quran 5:3)

Some of Sunni references which mentioned the revelation of the above

verse of Quran in Ghadir Khum after the speech of the Prophet:

(1) al-Durr al-Manthur, by al-Hafiz Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, v3, p19

(2) Tarikh, by Khatib al-Baghdadi, v8, pp 290,596 from Abu Hurayra

(3) Manaqaib, by Ibn Maghazali, p19

(4) History of Damascus, Ibn Asakir, v2, p75

(5) al-Itqan, by al-Suyuti, v1, p13

(6) Manaqib, by Khawarazmi al-Hanfi, p80

(7) al-Bidayah wal-Nihayah, by Ibn Kathir, v3, p213

(8) Yanabi' al-Mawaddah, by al-Qudoozi al-Hanafi, p115

(9) Nuzul al-Quran, by al-Hafiz Abu Nu'aym narrated on the authority

Abu Sa'id Khudri.

After his speech, the Messenger of Allah asked every body to give the oath

of allegiance to Ali (as) and congratulate him. Among those who gave him

the oath were Umar, Abu Bakr, and Uthman. It is narrated that Umar and

Abu Bakr said:

"Well done Ibn Abi Talib! Today you became the leader (Mawla) of all

believing men and women."

Sunni references:

(1) Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v4, p281

(2) Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, v12, pp 49-50

(3) Mishkat al-Masabih, by al-Khatib al-Tabrizi, p557

(4) Habib al-Siyar, by Mir Khand, v1, part3, p144

(5) Kitabul Wilayah, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari

(6) al-Musannaf, by Ibn Abi Shaybah

(7) al-Musnad, by Abu Ya'ala

(8) Hadith al-Wilayah, by Ahmad Ibn `Uqdah

(9) Tarikh, by Khatib al-Baghdadi, v8, pp 290,596 from Abu Hurayra

look at these hypocrites who broke their propmise after the prophet whose leaders were your caliphs.

The Tradition of Ghadir Khum is parallel (mutawatir)

The Tradition of Ghadir is narrated in parallel (mutawatir) and is

proven by the Sunnis to be from numerous chain of transmitters:

1. Ahmad Ibn Hanbal narrated it from 40 chains;

2. Ibn Jarir al-Tabari in more than 70 chains;

3. Abu Sa'id al-Sijistani from 120 chains;

4. Abu Bakir al-Jaabi from 125 chains;

5. al-Amir Muhammad al-Yamani (2nd century) had 150 chains;

6. al-Dhahabi has written a complete book on its chains and passed a

verdict that it is Mutawatir;

7. Abul Abbas Ibn `Uqdah has narrated it through 150 chains.

your calpihs were hyprcrites and by the way the narrations that i have mentioned are all sahih.

The Tradition of Ghadir Khum is authentic (Sahih)

1. al-Hafiz Abu Isa al-Tirmidhi (d. 279, the author of Sahih Tirmidhi)

wrote: "This is an acceptable (Hasan) and authentic (Sahih) tradition."

(Sahih Tirmidhi, v2, p298)

2. Muhammad Ibn Abdillah al-Hakim (d. 405) wrote: "This tradition is

authentic (Sahih) with the criteria of two shaykhs, al-Bukhari and

Muslim." (al-Mustadrak ala al-Sahihain, v3, pp 108-110)

3. al-Hafiz Ahmad Ibn Muhammad al-Tahawi (d. 321) wrote: "This Hadith is

authentic (Sahih) according to the chains of narrators (asnad) and no

one has said anything contrary to its narrators." (Mushkil al-Athar, v2,

pp 307-308)

4. al-Hafiz Ahmad Ibn Muhammad al-'Asimi wrote: "This tradition is accepted

by Ummah and it is in conformity with the principles." (Zain al-Fata)

5. al-Mahamili al-Baghdadi, in "Amali"

6. Ibn Abd al-Bar (d. 463), in "al-Isti'ab"

7. Ibn al-Maghazili al-Shafi'i (d. 483), in "al-Manaqib"

8. Muhammad al-Ghazzali (d. 505), in "Sirrul `Alamayn"

9. Abul Faraj Ibn al-Jawzi (d. 597), in "Manaqib"

10. Sibt Ibn al-Jawzi (d. 654), in "Tadhkirat Khawas al-Ummah"

11. Ibn Abi al-Hadid (d. 656), in "Sharh Nahjul Balagha"

12. al-Ganji al-Shafi'i (d. 658), in "Kifayat al-Talib"

13. Ibn Kathir (d. 774), in his "Tarikh"

14. `Ala al-Din al-Simnani, in "Al-'Urwatul Wuthqa"

15. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (d. 852), in "Tahdhib al-Tahdhib"

16. Jalalulddin al-Suyuti (d. 910), in several of his books

17. Abul Abbas al-Qastalani (d. 923), in "al-Mawahib al-Ladaniya"

18. Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, (d. 974), in "al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah"

19. Abdul Haqq al-Dihlawi, in "Sharh al-Mishkat"

The Companions who narrated the Tradition of Ghadir Khum

110 companions of the prophet narrated this tradition from which i will only quote your favorite abubakr and umar.

Abu Bakr Ibn Abi Qahafah al-Taymi (the First Caliph, d. 13):

* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";

* Abu Bakr Ju'abi, in "Nakhb al-Manaqib";

* al-Mansour al-Razi, in "al-Ghadir"

* Shams al-Din al-Jazri al-Shafi'i, in "Asna al-Matalib", p3.

'Umar Ibn al-Khattab (d. 23):

* Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, in "al-Manaqib";

* Muhib al-Din al-Tabari, in "al-Riyadh al-Nadhirah", v2, p161 & p244;

* al-Hafiz Ibn al-Maghazili al-Shafi'i, in "al-Manaqib":

Two narrations, one via Abu Hurairah, Umar Ibn al-Khattab said:

"The Messenger of Allah (s) said: Whomever I was his mawla then

Ali is his mawla."

* al-Khatib al-Khawarizmi, in "Maqtal al-Imam al-Sibt";

* Ibn Kathir, in "al-Bidayah wal Nihayah", v7, p349;

* Shams al-Din al-Jazri, in "Asna al-Matalib", p3;

* Shahab al-Din al-Hamadani, in "Mawaddat al-Qurba" and in:

* al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, in "Yanabi' al-Mawaddah", p249:

"Umar Ibn al-Khattab (ra) said: The Messenger of Allah raised Ali

up clearly, and said: "Whoever I was his leader [Mawlah] then Ali

is his leader [Mawlah], O' Allah! Be a guard [Wali] to whomever

is his adherent [Walah], and be the enemy to his enemy, forsake the

one who forsakes him (abandons him), support the one who supports

him. O' Allah! You are me witness on them." Umar said: "O' Messenger

of Allah? (i.e. Why Ali?) And there was a young man next to me, with

a handsome face and good fragrance. He said to me: "O' Umar, the

Messenger of Allah has agreed to an agreement. No one dissolves it

except a hypocrite." Then the Messenger of Allah took my hand and

said: "O' Umar, it is not sons' of Adam (i.e., it not a human

decision), but Gabriel wanted to make certain to you what I said

about Ali."

these were your caliphs who you beleive to be right, the prophet appointed imam ali as his successor but your caliphs went against prophet an this means they were fasiq and batil.

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Well this is exactly what the yazidis said on killing the Imam and you are no different.

rally pathetic.

one side you shia claim: yazid was fasiq, never believed Allah, its prophet & etc. & here you are claiming he said "Takbeeeer......Allah o Akbar"!

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rally pathetic.

one side you shia claim: yazid was fasiq, never believed Allah, its prophet & etc. & here you are claiming he said "Takbeeeer......Allah o Akbar"!

Even more pathetic

Politicians do this all the time. You ever watch elections speeches?

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rally pathetic.

one side you shia claim: yazid was fasiq, never believed Allah, its prophet & etc. & here you are claiming he said "Takbeeeer......Allah o Akbar"!

yes i beleive yazid was fasiq and batil and so was his father muawiya and so was his grandfather abusofian . i send curses on all enemies of ahlulbayt of muhammad(pbuh&f). and yes enemies of ahlulbayt were muslims. may Allah curse enemies of ahlulbayt, may Allah increase their punishment, may Allah punish them so much that noone would imagine about it,

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Even more pathetic

Politicians do this all the time. You ever watch elections speeches?

errr. i was talking about the claim raised by your beloved friend "Righteous" here:

Now i got why shia changed it to yaaa aaaaliii. (smile)

yes i beleive yazid was fasiq and batil and so was his father muawiya and so was his grandfather abusofian . i send curses on all enemies of ahlulbayt of muhammad(pbuh&f). and yes enemies of ahlulbayt were muslims. may Allah curse enemies of ahlulbayt, may Allah increase their punishment, may Allah punish them so much that noone would imagine about it,

now this proves shia's are not muslims.

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now this proves shia's are not muslims.

Better to be nonmuslims than to follow the sunnah of terrorists whom you call ahlebaith who came out of her home on a Camel and killed thousands.

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What buzzles me about those people with propoganda to say Shia's Killed imam Hussein (as) authbillah

just makes me wonder

Would Salafi's or Sunni's Help out Imam Hussein (as) if he was in need of support? ... Both claim to follow the ahlulbeit, but would they do it?

If Yes, does that make them Shia's? most likely No

so why is it Kufa all the Sudden Became Shia's ? does it mean that Only Shia's would support Imam Hussein (as)? or it proves that Sunni's or Salafi's would rather stay under the rule of Yazeed (LA) than supporting Imam Hussein (as)?

There are Even Some Wahabi's Dare to say that Imam Hussein (as) was wrong, and if he havnt risen up against a Tyrant there wouldnt be Bloodshed, but Yet they have a Hard Time condeming those who Caused Aljammal & Siffin, oh the irony.

this is an Old Propoganda of Many Myths attributed to the Shia's and it won't be the last Since the Wahabi Media machine is still working from the Jew being the Founder of Shi'ism to the Shia's Killing Imams, Cheap Shots & Myths just like The Enemies of Islam do today who try to prove islam being False by attribuing False Claims & Myths and people who spread these kind of accusations Don't achieve anything but filling their own ego's

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errr. i was talking about the claim raised by your beloved friend "Righteous" here:

Drrr i know....Yazid picture should be in the dictionary next to the word Munafiq. Saying Takbeer and reciting prayers does not do any good if it does not go beyond your throat.

now this proves shia's are not muslims.

Let me guess, You are here to guide us all. If that is your opinion then why waste your time here anymore?

and yes enemies of ahlulbayt were muslims.

Isnt Umar b Saaq hadith quoted in your Sahih book?Wasnt he the one who had army opposed against Al-Hussain (as) in Kerbala?

So either your haditih book quotes non muslims or you do consider enemies of Ahlulbayt as muslim.

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What about your hadiths, your imam can narrate hadith of prophet even they have 50-100 yrs of gap.

wow.

i hardly believe or read AA.org, because that website is full of pure jahils & top most liars.

Now again you shia applying shia hadith science on sunni hadith.

proof it how the hadith is mursal? & show that how many sunni scholars graded this sanad as mursal & how many sunni scholars graded this hadith as non-sahih.

For Al-Bayhaqi sanad from Shu'bi further, the example of sanad is like this:

ÃÎÈÑäÇ ÃÈæ ÍÇÒã ÇáÍÇÝÙ ¡ ÃäÈà ÃÈæ ÇáÍÓä ãÍãÏ Èä ÃÍãÏ Èä ÍãÒÉ ÇáåÑæí ËäÇ ÃÍãÏ Èä äÌÏÉ ¡ ËäÇ ÓÚíÏ Èä ãäÕæÑ ¡ ËäÇ åÔíã ¡ ËäÇ ãÌÇáÏ ¡ Úä ÇáÔÚÈí

wrong when the imams narrate something it links beack to their father and so on as has been clarified by the imams themselves in traditions. Now coming to the tradiiton itself the shubi of Shu'bi is not hujjah if it contradicts saheeh hadith. Kindly tell our readers when shubi was born. Then clarify how only he was aware of this reconciliation, whilst Ayesha a direct witness and daughter of a party to the dispute was completely ignorant of it.

& as i said for this hadith:

áãÇ ãÑÖÊ ÝÇØãÉ ÃÊÇåÇ ÃÈæ ÈßÑ ÇáÕÏíÞ ÝÇÓÊÃÐä ÚáíåÇ ÝÞÇá Úáí íÇ ÝÇØãÉ åÐÇ ÃÈæ ÈßÑ íÓÊÃÐä Úáíß ÝÞÇáÊ ÃÊÍÈ Ãä ÂÐä áå ÞÇá äÚã ÝÃÐäÊ áå ÝÏÎá ÚáíåÇ íÊÑÖÇåÇ ÝÞÇá æÇááå ãÇ ÊÑßÊ ÇáÏÇÑ æÇáãÇá æÇáÃåá æÇáÚÔíÑÉ ÅáÇ ÇÈÊÛÇÁ ãÑÖÇÉ Çááå æãÑÖÇÉ ÑÓæáå æãÑÖÇÊßã Ãåá ÇáÈíÊ Ëã ÊÑÖÇåÇ ÍÊì ÑÖíÊ

Al-Bayhaqi, Ibn Kathir, and Ibn Hajar all authenticate this hadith & Ibn Kathir states it as Sahih in his Al Bidayah and Ibn Hajar in his Fath Al Bari.

so it is proved that sanad of al-bayhaqi was known therefore he graded sanad as sahih.

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errr. i was talking about the claim raised by your beloved friend "Righteous" here:

Now i got why shia changed it to yaaa aaaaliii. (smile)

now this proves shia's are not muslims.

you didnt answer my question, when did the prophet appoint abubakr,umar and uthman?prove it from shia books. yet i proved to you that he prophet appointed imam aii(as) as the leader of muslim after him. and your caliphs abubakr and umar and uthman gave allegiance to ali (as) and then they broke their promise which shows how munafiq they were. what prove do you have that we are not muslims? we beleive anyone who says there is no god but Allah and muhammad(pbuh&f) is his messanger and beleives in quran is muslim. those who were enemy of ahlulbayt(as) were muslims, but they were hypocrites(munafiq). they prayed, they recited the quran, at the same time they were enemy, youn see munafiqs are worse than kafirs, because a none beleiver says that he does not beleive in Allah and his messanger, but a munafiq is the one who outwardly practices Islam, while inwardly concealing his disbelief .

.the quran says:"The Hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire: no helper wilt thou find for them." [soorah An Nisaa (4), Ayah 145]

When the Hypocrites come to thee, they say, "We bear witness that thou are indeed the Messenger of Allah." Yea, Allah know that thou are indeed His Messenger, and Allah bears witness that the Hypocrites are indeed liars.

—Sura 63 (Al-Munafiqun) ayah 1

look at what the prophet said about his ahlulbayt(as) which is also mentioned in your books.

The Messenger of Allah said:

"Loving Ali is the sign of belief, and hating Ali is the sign of

hypocrasy."

Sunni references:

- Sahih Muslim, v1, p48;

- Sahih Tirmidhi, v5, p643;

- Sunan Ibn Majah, v1, p142;

- Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal v1, pp 84,95,128

- Tarikh al-Kabir, by al-Bukhari (the author of Sahih), v1, part 1, p202

- Hilyatul Awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, v4, p185

- Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, v14, p462

Abu Huraira narrated:

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) looked toward Ali, al-Hasan, al-Husain, and

Fatimah, and said: "I am in the state of war with those who will fight

you, and in the state of peace with those who are peaceful to you."

Sunni references:

(1) Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, p699

(2) Sunan Ibn Majah, v1, p52

(3) Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p767, Tradition #1350

(4) al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p149

(5) Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v9, p169

(6) al-Kabir, by Tabarani, v3, p30, also in al-Awsat

(7) Jamius Saghir, by al-Ibani, v2, p17

(8) Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, v7, p137

(9) Sawai'q al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p221

from these narrations it is quite obvious who is munafiq and who is momin.

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wrong when the imams narrate something it links beack to their father and so on as has been clarified by the imams themselves in traditions. Now coming to the tradiiton itself the shubi of Shu'bi is not hujjah if it contradicts saheeh hadith. Kindly tell our readers when shubi was born. Then clarify how only he was aware of this reconciliation, whilst Ayesha a direct witness and daughter of a party to the dispute was completely ignorant of it.

& as i said for this hadith:

akhi, Agha Malang at least you should write your comment out of the quote box. i even not got easily wha you said, when i compared then i got the answer.

same is with Shu'bi[rah], chain goes back to ali[ra] very easily. (smile)

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Famous Shia scholar Sayyed Kamal al Haydari admits that the battle of Karbala was between Imam Hussein RA and the Shia of Ali RA from al Kufah. He even said The Shia of Ali wanted to come closer to Allah by spilling the blood of Hussein.

listen from minute 3 to minute 4:30.

The Lecture has the title: Dar’e al Shubuhat ‘An Waqi’at al taff.

áÓíÏ ßãÇá ÇáÍíÏÑí: ãÍÇÖÑÉ ÈÚäæÇä ÏÑÁ ÇáÔÈåÇÊ Úä æÇÞÚÉ ÇáØÝ

Shia Link (quickly before they remove it): http://shiavoice.com/play-fex3h.html

One of the brothers Saved and Uploaded it on youtube:

this is obvious of course because you can read many texts which prove this from the Shia books.

http://gift2shias.com/2010/12/28/big-shia-earthquake/

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1. Åä ÇáÍÞíÞÉ ÇáãÝÇÌÆÉ ÃääÇ äÌÏ ÇáÚÏíÏ ãä ßÊÈ ÇáÔíÚÉ ÊÞÑÑ æÊÄßÏ Ãä ÔíÚÉ ÇáÍÓíä åã ÇáÐíä ÞÊáæÇ ÇáÍÓíä . ÝÞÏ ÞÇá ÇáÓíÏ ãÍÓä ÇáÃãíä ” ÈÇíÚ ÇáÍÓíä ÚÔÑæä ÃáÝÇð ãä Ãåá ÇáÚÑÇÞ ¡ ÛÏÑæÇ Èå æÎÑÌæÇ Úáíå æÈíÚÊå Ýí ÃÚäÇÞåã æÞÊáæå ” { ÃÚíÇä ÇáÔíÚÉ 34:1 }.

Al Sayyed Muhsin al Ameen says: “20,000 from the people of Iraq gave Allegiance to Hussein, then they suddenly betrayed him and rebelled against him although they had given him an oath of allegiance“

source: A’ayan al Shia 1:34

2. ÇáÍÓíä íäÇÏíåã ÞÈá Ãä íÞÊáæå : ” Ãáã ÊßÊÈæÇ Åáí Ãä ÞÏ ÃíäÚÊ ÇáËãÇÑ ¡ æ ÃäãÇ ÊÞÏã Úáì ÌäÏ ãÌäÏÉ¿ ÊÈÇð áßã ÃíåÇ ÇáÌãÇÚÉ Ííä Úáì ÇÓÊÕÑÎÊãæäÇ æÇáåíä ¡ ÝÔÍÐÊã ÚáíäÇ ÓíÝÇð ßÇä ÈÃíÏíäÇ ¡ æÍÔÔÊã äÇÑÇð ÃÖÑãäÇåÇ Úáì ÚÏæßã æÚÏæäÇ ¡ ÝÃÕÈÍÊã ÃáÈÇð ÃæáíÇÆßã æ ÓÍÞÇð ¡ æ íÏÇð Úáì ÃÚÏÇÆßã . ÇÓÊÓÑÚÊã Åáì ÈíÚÊäÇ ßØíÑÉ ÇáÐÈÇÈ ¡ æ ÊåÇÝÊã ÅáíäÇ ßÊåÇÝÊ ÇáÝÑÇÔ Ëã äÞÖÊãæåÇ ÓÝåÇð ¡ ÈÚÏÇð áØæÇÛíÊ åÐå ÇáÃãÉ ” { ÇáÇÍÊÌÇÌ ááØÈÑÓí }.

Al Hussein was calling them before they killed him: ” Didn’t you write to me that the fruits had become ripe? and That I would have an enormous army when I come? Damn you! You cried for us to come then you held a sword that was once in our hands against us! (…) you were hasty in giving us Baya’ah like flies and you gathered around us like a group of butterflies But you broke your oath…“

source: Al Ihtijaj for al Tabrasi.

3. Ëã äÇÏÇåã ÇáÍÑ Èä íÒíÏ ¡ ÃÍÏ ÃÕÍÇÈ ÇáÍÓíä æåæ æÇÞÝ Ýí ßÑÈáÇÁ ÝÞÇá áåã ” ÃÏÚæÊã åÐÇ ÇáÚÈÏ ÇáÕÇáÍ ¡ ÍÊì ÅÐÇ ÌÇÁßã ÃÓáãÊãæå ¡ Ëã ÚÏæÊã Úáíå áÊÞÊáæå ÝÕÇÑ ßÇáÃÓíÑ Ýí ÃíÏíßã ¿ áÇ ÓÞÇßã Çááå íæã ÇáÙãà ” { ÇáÅÑÔÇÏ ááãÝíÏ 234 ¡ ÅÚáÇã ÇáæÑì ÈÃÚáÇã ÇáåÏì 242}.

Al hurr bin Yazid one of the companions of Hussein told the people of Kufah while he stood in karbala: “did you call upon this pious servant(Hussein) so that you can attack him and try to kill him, it is as if he became like a prisoner in your hands? May Allah not give you a drink on that Day of thurst!

source:Al Irshad for Mufid 234, I’ilam al Wara bi A’alam al Huda 242.

4. æåäÇ ÏÚÇ ÇáÍÓíä Úáì ÔíÚÊå ÞÇÆáÇð : ” Çááåã Åä ãÊÚÊåã Åáì Ííä ÝÝÑÞåã ÝÑÞÇð ( Ãí ÔíÚÇð æÃÍÒÇÈÇð ) æÇÌÚáåã ØÑÇÆÞ ÞÏÏÇ ¡ æ áÇ ÊÑÖ ÇáæáÇÉ Úäåã ÃÈÏÇ ¡ ÝÅäåã ÏÚæäÇ áíäÕÑæäÇ ¡ Ëã ÚÏæÇ ÚáíäÇ ÝÞÊáæäÇ ” { ÇáÅÑÔÇÏ ááãÝíÏ 241 ¡ ÅÚáÇã ÇáæÑì ááØÈÑÓí 949¡ ßÔÝ ÇáÛãÉ 18:2æ38 }

And here Hussein made a Dua on his Shia, he said: “O Allah if you give them pleasure temporarily Then Divide them to various groups and sects and tariqas, and make the rulers oppress them, They have called us so that we may support them and then they betrayed us and killed us.

source:Al Irshad for Mufid 241, I’ilam al Wara for Tabrasi 949, Kashf al Ghummah 2:18-38.

5. æíÐßÑ ÇáãÄÑÎ ÇáÔíÚí ÇáíÚÞæÈí Ýí ÊÇÑíÎå Ãäå áãÇ ÏÎá Úáí Èä ÇáÍÓíä ÇáßæÝÉ ÑÃì äÓÇÁåÇ íÈßíä æíÕÑÎä ÝÞÇá : ” åÄáÇÁ íÈßíä ÚáíäÇ Ýãä ÞÊáäÇ ¿ ” Ãí ãä ÞÊáäÇ ÛíÑåã { ÊÇÑíÎ ÇáíÚÞæÈí 235:1 }

Famous Shia historian al Ya’aqoubi mentions in his Tareekh that when Ali Zain al Abideen bin al Hussein entered Kufah he saw the women crying and screaming so he said: “These women are crying because of us, Then who killed us?” [meaning who killed us except for these Shia who cry.]

source: Tareekh al ya’aqoubi 1:235.

Rafidi priest Baqir Shareef al-Qureshi said: “Verily Kufa was the birth place of shia, and a homeland of the al-Alawe’een, and it has declared its loyalty to ahlul bait many times.

(hayat Al-Hussein 3/12)

He also said the seed of shia was sown in Kufa since the khilafat of Umar.

(hayat Al-Hussein 3/13)

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1. Åä ÇáÍÞíÞÉ ÇáãÝÇÌÆÉ ÃääÇ äÌÏ ÇáÚÏíÏ ãä ßÊÈ ÇáÔíÚÉ ÊÞÑÑ æÊÄßÏ Ãä ÔíÚÉ ÇáÍÓíä åã ÇáÐíä ÞÊáæÇ ÇáÍÓíä . ÝÞÏ ÞÇá ÇáÓíÏ ãÍÓä ÇáÃãíä ” ÈÇíÚ ÇáÍÓíä ÚÔÑæä ÃáÝÇð ãä Ãåá ÇáÚÑÇÞ ¡ ÛÏÑæÇ Èå æÎÑÌæÇ Úáíå æÈíÚÊå Ýí ÃÚäÇÞåã æÞÊáæå ” { ÃÚíÇä ÇáÔíÚÉ 34:1 }.

Al Sayyed Muhsin al Ameen says: “20,000 from the people of Iraq gave Allegiance to Hussein, then they suddenly betrayed him and rebelled against him although they had given him an oath of allegiance“

source: Baqir Shareef al-Qureshi 1:34

2. ÇáÍÓíä íäÇÏíåã ÞÈá Ãä íÞÊáæå : ” Ãáã ÊßÊÈæÇ Åáí Ãä ÞÏ ÃíäÚÊ ÇáËãÇÑ ¡ æ ÃäãÇ ÊÞÏã Úáì ÌäÏ ãÌäÏÉ¿ ÊÈÇð áßã ÃíåÇ ÇáÌãÇÚÉ Ííä Úáì ÇÓÊÕÑÎÊãæäÇ æÇáåíä ¡ ÝÔÍÐÊã ÚáíäÇ ÓíÝÇð ßÇä ÈÃíÏíäÇ ¡ æÍÔÔÊã äÇÑÇð ÃÖÑãäÇåÇ Úáì ÚÏæßã æÚÏæäÇ ¡ ÝÃÕÈÍÊã ÃáÈÇð ÃæáíÇÆßã æ ÓÍÞÇð ¡ æ íÏÇð Úáì ÃÚÏÇÆßã . ÇÓÊÓÑÚÊã Åáì ÈíÚÊäÇ ßØíÑÉ ÇáÐÈÇÈ ¡ æ ÊåÇÝÊã ÅáíäÇ ßÊåÇÝÊ ÇáÝÑÇÔ Ëã äÞÖÊãæåÇ ÓÝåÇð ¡ ÈÚÏÇð áØæÇÛíÊ åÐå ÇáÃãÉ ” { ÇáÇÍÊÌÇÌ ááØÈÑÓí }.

Al Hussein was calling them before they killed him: ” Didn’t you write to me that the fruits had become ripe? and That I would have an enormous army when I come? Damn you! You cried for us to come then you held a sword that was once in our hands against us! (…) you were hasty in giving us Baya’ah like flies and you gathered around us like a group of butterflies But you broke your oath…“

source: Al Ihtijaj for al Tabrasi.

3. Ëã äÇÏÇåã ÇáÍÑ Èä íÒíÏ ¡ ÃÍÏ ÃÕÍÇÈ ÇáÍÓíä æåæ æÇÞÝ Ýí ßÑÈáÇÁ ÝÞÇá áåã ” ÃÏÚæÊã åÐÇ ÇáÚÈÏ ÇáÕÇáÍ ¡ ÍÊì ÅÐÇ ÌÇÁßã ÃÓáãÊãæå ¡ Ëã ÚÏæÊã Úáíå áÊÞÊáæå ÝÕÇÑ ßÇáÃÓíÑ Ýí ÃíÏíßã ¿ áÇ ÓÞÇßã Çááå íæã ÇáÙãà ” { ÇáÅÑÔÇÏ ááãÝíÏ 234 ¡ ÅÚáÇã ÇáæÑì ÈÃÚáÇã ÇáåÏì 242}.

Al hurr bin Yazid one of the companions of Hussein told the people of Kufah while he stood in karbala: “did you call upon this pious servant(Hussein) so that you can attack him and try to kill him, it is as if he became like a prisoner in your hands? May Allah not give you a drink on that Day of thurst!

source:Al Irshad for Mufid 234, I’ilam al Wara bi A’alam al Huda 242.

4. æåäÇ ÏÚÇ ÇáÍÓíä Úáì ÔíÚÊå ÞÇÆáÇð : ” Çááåã Åä ãÊÚÊåã Åáì Ííä ÝÝÑÞåã ÝÑÞÇð ( Ãí ÔíÚÇð æÃÍÒÇÈÇð ) æÇÌÚáåã ØÑÇÆÞ ÞÏÏÇ ¡ æ áÇ ÊÑÖ ÇáæáÇÉ Úäåã ÃÈÏÇ ¡ ÝÅäåã ÏÚæäÇ áíäÕÑæäÇ ¡ Ëã ÚÏæÇ ÚáíäÇ ÝÞÊáæäÇ ” { ÇáÅÑÔÇÏ ááãÝíÏ 241 ¡ ÅÚáÇã ÇáæÑì ááØÈÑÓí 949¡ ßÔÝ ÇáÛãÉ 18:2æ38 }

And here Hussein made a Dua on his Shia, he said: “O Allah if you give them pleasure temporarily Then Divide them to various groups and sects and tariqas, and make the rulers oppress them, They have called us so that we may support them and then they betrayed us and killed us.

source:Al Irshad for Mufid 241, I’ilam al Wara for Tabrasi 949, Kashf al Ghummah 2:18-38.

5. æíÐßÑ ÇáãÄÑÎ ÇáÔíÚí ÇáíÚÞæÈí Ýí ÊÇÑíÎå Ãäå áãÇ ÏÎá Úáí Èä ÇáÍÓíä ÇáßæÝÉ ÑÃì äÓÇÁåÇ íÈßíä æíÕÑÎä ÝÞÇá : ” åÄáÇÁ íÈßíä ÚáíäÇ Ýãä ÞÊáäÇ ¿ ” Ãí ãä ÞÊáäÇ ÛíÑåã { ÊÇÑíÎ ÇáíÚÞæÈí 235:1 }

Famous Shia historian al Ya’aqoubi mentions in his Tareekh that when Ali Zain al Abideen bin al Hussein entered Kufah he saw the women crying and screaming so he said: “These women are crying because of us, Then who killed us?” [meaning who killed us except for these Shia who cry.]

source: Tareekh al ya’aqoubi 1:235.

Rafidi priest Baqir Shareef al-Qureshi said: “Verily Kufa was the birth place of shia, and a homeland of the al-Alawe’een, and it has declared its loyalty to ahlul bait many times.

(hayat Al-Hussein 3/12)

He also said the seed of shia was sown in Kufa since the khilafat of Umar.

(hayat Al-Hussein 3/13)

we dont call our books to be sahih like your scholars do, our scholars say, any narration that goes against quran and ahlulbayt(as) and if the narrators are not pious then the narration is not sahih.. , yes, those who invited imam hussain(as) and killed him were shias( followers) of ale abu sofian, they were not shia of muhammad(pbuh&f), they were the ones whose fathers and grandfathers had given allegiance to the ones that the prophet had never chosen as his successor, they were the ones who would curse imam ali(as) on their pulpits, back then everyone was called shia, shias of ale muhammad(pbuh&f) were called rafidhis,

look at who they gave their allegiance and kept their promise, look at what quran says:

One day We shall call every group of people by their respective Imams. (Quran 17:71)

In the day of judgment, the destiny of the "followers" of each group highly depends on the destiny of his Imam (provided that they really followed that Imam). Allah mentioned in Quran that there are two types of Imams. Some Imams are those who invite people to Hell fire. They are tyrannical leaders of each era (like Pharaoh, etc.):

And We made them (but) Imams inviting to the Fire; and on the Day of Judgment no help shall they find. In this world We continued to curse them; and on the Day of Judgment they will be among the hateful. (Quran 28:41-42).

One day We shall call every group of people by their respective Imams. (Quran 17:71)

In the day of judgment, the destiny of the "followers" of each group highly depends on the destiny of his Imam (provided that they really followed that Imam). Allah mentioned in Quran that there are two types of Imams. Some Imams are those who invite people to Hell fire. They are tyrannical leaders of each era (like Pharaoh, etc.):

And We made them (but) Imams inviting to the Fire; and on the Day of Judgment no help shall they find. In this world We continued to curse them; and on the Day of Judgment they will be among the hateful. (Quran 28:41-42).

One day We shall call every group of people by their respective Imams. (Quran 17:71)

In the day of judgment, the destiny of the "followers" of each group highly depends on the destiny of his Imam (provided that they really followed that Imam). Allah mentioned in Quran that there are two types of Imams. Some Imams are those who invite people to Hell fire. They are tyrannical leaders of each era (like Pharaoh, etc.):

And We made them (but) Imams inviting to the Fire; and on the Day of Judgment no help shall they find. In this world We continued to curse them; and on the Day of Judgment they will be among the hateful. (Quran 28:41-42).

The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your companions and your Shia (followers) will be in Paradise."

Sunni references:

Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p655

Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu'aym, v4, p329

Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, v12, p289

al-Awsat, by al-Tabarani

Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v10, pp 21-22

al-Darqunti, who said this tradition has been transmitted via numerous authorities.

al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami , Ch. 11, section 1, p247

Thus the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) used to say the phrase of "Shia of Ali". This phrase is not something invented later! Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) said that the TRUE followers of imam Ali will go to Paradise, and this is a great felicity. Also Jabir Ibn Abdillah al-Ansari narrated that:

The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: "The Shia of Ali are the real victorious in the day of resurrection/rising"

Sunni references:

al-Manaqib Ahmad, as mentioned in:

Yanabi al-Mawaddah, by al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, p62

Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Hafidh Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, who quotes the tradition as follows: "We were with the Holy Prophet when Ali came towards us. The Holy Prophet said: He and his Shia will aquire salvation on the day of judgment."

you see the prophet(pbuh&f) never mentioned those who follow abubakr,umar,uthman , muawiya, yazid or anyone other than imams of ahlulbayt(as), he said the true followers of imam ali(as), the ones who accept the imams that the prophet(pbuh&f) said to be his successors. if you say that shias of ali(as) killed imam hussain(as) , it means yazid and his troops were shias of ali, which is baseless, they all cursed ali, how can they be a true follower of ali? how can you love someone and still love their enemies? it makes no sense,

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I can't understand where the Shia's were? They were not in madina nor makka nor kufa.... Plsss after Othman martyrdom hazrat ali select kufa as capital if his followers were not there them why... Kufa was not Othman capital city.

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7 hours ago, Amir90 said:

I can't understand where the Shia's were? They were not in madina nor makka nor kufa.... Plsss after Othman martyrdom hazrat ali select kufa as capital if his followers were not there them why... Kufa was not Othman capital city.

The majority of people  in kufa were the followers of 3 early caliphs.  The shia ie khasa considering Imam Ali as appointed successor of the prophet saww were in minority in kufa. 

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50 minutes ago, skamran110 said:

The majority of people  in kufa were the followers of 3 early caliphs.  The shia ie khasa considering Imam Ali as appointed successor of the prophet saww were in minority in kufa. 

You can also answer them to read the maghtal when imam Hussain a.s talked with them and called them:

فَصَاحَ‏ وَیْلَکُمْ یَا شِیعَةَ آلِ أَبِی سُفْیَانَ إِنْ لَمْ یَکُنْ لَکُمْ دِینٌ وَ کُنْتُمْ لَا تَخَافُونَ الْمَعَادَ فَکُونُوا أَحْرَاراً فِی دُنْیَاکُمْ

That was shia of Aba Sufian

And this is shia of imam Hussain a.s

یا قوم قد قتلتم شیعتی و أهل بیتی، و قد بقی هذا الطفل یتلظّى عطشا، فاسقوه شربة من الماء

Damn Wahhabies, Salafies.

Edited by Haimi

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