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Who Was The First Faqeeer Ever?

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hello brothers, just a question of own interest,

who was the first faqeeer ever?

when and where did the line of fukharah begin?

is there a certain sign,symbol, a characteristic of a faqeer?

is there a tareekah, a way of fuqarah path,? how can one attain, succeed in the fuqarah lway to become a faqeer? just like sufism which wasn't a sect.

would be interesting to see how many of maulas (saw) shias know...

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oh wali wali naiy, jeh ali udha peer na hovveh

ali bashah shehan shah (saw) da manay wala bhai, ali (saw) har faqeer dha peer, phir sunah pehlah faqeeer kaun?

jo apnay aaap ko malang kehtah hai aur iss sawal kah jawaab nah ho, tu us ki malangi sawal he reh jai ghi

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ali bashah shehan shah (saw) da manay wala bhai, ali (saw) har faqeer dha peer, phir sunah pehlah faqeeer kaun?

jo apnay aaap ko malang kehtah hai aur iss sawal kah jawaab nah ho, tu us ki malangi sawal he reh jai ghi

Does it have to be in a non- english language so no one understands!!!!!!!! :mad:

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Does it have to be in a non- english language so no one understands!!!!!!!! :mad:

Not at all. ^_^

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oh wali wali naiy, jeh ali udha peer na hovveh (Punjabi)

A wali (or Aarif) is not a wali if Ali is not his master.

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ali bashah shehan shah (saw) da manay wala bhai, ali (saw) har faqeer dha peer, phir sunah pehlah faqeeer kaun? (Punjabi)

jo apnay aaap ko malang kehtah hai aur iss sawal kah jawaab nah ho, tu us ki malangi sawal he reh jai ghi (Urdu)

O the one (referring to MDM) who believes in Ali, the king and emperor, tell us who was the first Fakir?

The one who calls himself malang but doesn't know the answer will have a question mark put on his malangness (i.e; his malangness will be in doubt).

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"I don't know. Tum bata do?

I don't know. You tell (us).

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Don't ask me to translate malang or malangness. :dry:

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brother ali (as) and the masumeen were there as noor before adam (pbuh), who was before him?

he will be the judge on qiyaamat between heaven and hell, who will be after him?

he is awwal au aakhir

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Salam,

The first faqir was the Holy Prophet (SAWWS) who practiced asceticism & meditation in a cave before he received the first revelation. The 2nd faqir was Amirul Momineen Imam Ali (as), who is described as the gate to the city of knowledge that is the Holy Prophet (sawws) in many ahadith.

All faqir's (also called darwishes & urafa or sufi's amongst the sunnis) trace their silsila back to Allah (SWT) through the faqir's back to the imam's (as) to imam Ali (as) to the Holy Prophet (sawws), to who, was entrusted the wisdom of Allah (SWT) which was transmitted to him by Jibreel.

A group of faqir's from among the people existed even during the Holy Prophet (sawws) 's life called Ashab as Suffa (people of the porch). These were so poor they lived on a porch in Medina. http://www.iqra.net/articles/muslims/fuqara.php

Many of the greatest ulema of the Ahlul Bayt (as) were faqir's: Ibn Tawus, Allamah Hilli. Shaykh Baha'i, Muhammad Taqi Majlisi, Muhammad Baqir Majlisi, Fayd Kashani, Mulla Sadra & Bahr al Ulum & more recently Ruhollah Khomeini, Allamah Tabatabai & Husayn Husayni Tehrani & Ayatullah Behjet among many others. May peace be upon all of them.

There's a short treatise on spiritual wayfaring written by Bahr al-Ulum during the late Qajar era on the issue. It was the favorite of many great ulema, specifically Allamah Tabatabai has mentioned that he kept this treatise with him everywhere. Perhaps start with this one. It'll take you a long long way & can be with you the whole journey: http://www.amazon.com/Treatise-Spiritual-Journeying-Wayfaring-Muhammad-ebook/dp/B00E1IBC3Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1433889552&sr=1-1&keywords=Bahr+al+ulum+kindle (full version) http://www.al-islam.org/al-tawhid/vol14-n2-3/risaleh-ye-sayr-wa-suluk-treatise-wayfaring-bahr-al-ulum/risaleh-ye-sayr-wa (free, smaller version)

The topic is too vast for just 1 books as it encompasses Shariah & ahklaq as well

Edited by Shamati

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First you have to define what a faqeer is before you can discuss who was the first one. If you define faqir as defined as defined in

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fakir   The Faqirs were wandering Dervishes teaching Islam and living on alms.[1]

 

then it is highly insulting to suggest any Muslim religious personality is a faqir.

 

so define your understanding of the term

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hello brothers, just a question of own interest,

who was the first faqeeer ever?

when and where did the line of fukharah begin?

is there a certain sign,symbol, a characteristic of a faqeer?

is there a tareekah, a way of fuqarah path,? how can one attain, succeed in the fuqarah lway to become a faqeer? just like sufism which wasn't a sect.

would be interesting to see how many of maulas (saw) shias know...

Bismillah YA Ali

Mashallah good question brother

Not sure you care to enlighten?

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First you have to define what a faqeer is before you can discuss who was the first one. If you define faqir as defined as defined in

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fakir   The Faqirs were wandering Dervishes teaching Islam and living on alms.[1]

 

then it is highly insulting to suggest any Muslim religious personality is a faqir.

 

so define your understanding of the term

The term Faqir is used in many sufi & irfan books to refer to spiritual poverty; the virtue of expecting nothing in return. Doing what's good for the love of God & not for adverting the hellfire or gaining paradise.

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The term Faqir is used in many sufi & irfan books to refer to spiritual poverty; the virtue of expecting nothing in return. Doing what's good for the love of God & not for adverting the hellfire or gaining paradise.

 

Should point that in English saying someone is spiritually poor or have spiritual poverty is an insult. In English you are implying that they are deficient in spirituality. So you see the difficulty in using terms without defining them

 

Faqir can mean many things to many people and to use these terms loosely and wildly will lead to misunderstanding and unintentional insults.

 

I am sure noone intended to suggest that the Holy Prophet(pbuhahp) was a wandering dervish living of the alms of people.

 

Alms as you know can be defined as 'sadka' and sadka is haram for the Holy Prophet (pbuhahp). In fact i seem to recall that the Holy Prophet(pbuhahp) condemned those that neglected this 'dunya' to live a  life of ascetism .

 

 

 

This is the reason i gave you the link to Wikkipedia

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