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Defaming The Wife Of The Prophet(s) Is Forbidden

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I really don't understand why there is such a difficulty in understanding this from the part of some people. Wallah it's very strange.

Because some people apparently think it's more important to see differences... than similarities... and easier to spread hatred than love... and they want to view the world just from one perspective and can't be bothered that there are some people in this world who don't share the same view with them...

Also, when discussing rationally and respectfully, there is no reason or room for slanderous behaviour and badmouthing and making lan'ah as I've explained before. It will only sour the discussion and prevent any person you are discussing with from even being receptive to the points you are making as you have already insulted and la'nah on a person that they hold in high esteeem, due to what their information tells them about said person.

Well brother.. some people just LOVE to slander because it makes them feel better than others

Subhan Allah, what is wrong with you people?!

I always wonder the same thing every time I come across some posts in this forum.

But thank you for posting the statement.... he's my marja and I can't agree more about what he has made forbidden...

I believe a good muslim will be kind towards his fellow muslims... no matter from which sect they are from.

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(bismillah) (salam) I think you have misunderstood the meaning of "Unity". Unity does not mean Shia should become Sunni or Sunnis should become Shias. Nor does it mean we accept each others beliefs o

In His Name, the Most High Salaams I really don't understand why there is such a difficulty in understanding this from the part of some people. Wallah it's very strange. Look, we are Shia, we accept

(salam) I agree with you completely that we in the School of Ahlulbayt should not be defaming the wife of the Prophet (pbuh) at all. Unfortunately we have Shia's that do this kind of behavior on the

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What happens if he doesn't come out and say he loves them? Does that mean he has exited the fold of Islam (Kufr) and apostated?

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Its not about loving them or agreeing with everything they say or do. Its about hate and false accusations. Also we have seen his views and methodology in other matters too. So one can safely say that he is a very misguided person.

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Ashura "rites" banning on certain things were given the reason cause it defames Islam and Shi'ism to non-muslims more so than to Sunnis. Also, if anyone who's smart and see that if the maraaja' would release a fatwa saying "bid'ah" there are many shi'ah who are, sadly, so emotionally attached to these things that'd just leave Shi'ism or Islam in general.

Hardcore supporters who are for not doing tabaraa /at all/ don't understand taqiyya, and/or have weaker faith in Shi'i Islam (yeah I said that; none of this "what if they weren't bad people" nonsense).

...... or their Sayed Fadhlallah followers....

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I disagree. What would happen is these people would stop doing taqlid, or would switch to a marja who does allow these rituals. You can already see signs of this in the Indo-Pak community, where they are quite anti-taqlid, due in large part to certain fatwas coming out of Iran and Iraq that go against their beliefs. In my view, this is the real reason more scholars aren't coming out against certain rituals, or when they do they use secondary reasons like 'it makes us look bad'.

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I disagree. What would happen is these people would stop doing taqlid, or would switch to a marja who does allow these rituals. You can already see signs of this in the Indo-Pak community, where they are quite anti-taqlid, due in large part to certain fatwas coming out of Iran and Iraq that go against their beliefs. In my view, this is the real reason more scholars aren't coming out against certain rituals, or when they do they use secondary reasons like 'it makes us look bad'.

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This is one of the major signs of the imminent return of our Master(AJ), 7amdu lillah. That the masses of the people will adapt Islam to suite them rather than listen to the Righteous Leadership(HA) and what guidance they provide. People will instead choose to accept that which massages their own egos, as opposed to what moves a person towards perfection. 7amdu lillah.

If a person can't cope with a ruling of his/her Marja' Taqleed in a matter, and hence they switch to another Marja', this is making a mockery of a person's entire concept of Taqleed, and is fundamentally a mistake. Once a person selects a Marja' they must abide by the rulings of said Marja', until they become genuinely convinced that another is more learned than said Marja' - or according to the explanation of Taqleed as per the Marja' they are doing Taqleed of.

If the people are going to act as you have suggested, then tell me what possible hope do they have of following Imam al-Hujjah(AJ)'s commands as Harun al-Makki(A) followed the commands of Imam as-Sadiq(A), as the companions of Imam Husayn(A) followed the commandments of Imam Husayn(A) - no ifs, not buts, no excuses. They are given a task, they do this task, regardless of whether they personally like it or. This is the meaning of when we say "May my soul be your ransom". Subhan Allah, how beautiful is Allah how amazing is Allah that He blesses us with the fulfilment of His promises in front of our eyes, if only our eyes were open and our hearts receptive to his most perfect beauty that we would realise. Subhan Allah.

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This is one of the major signs of the imminent return of our Master(AJ), 7amdu lillah. That the masses of the people will adapt Islam to suite them rather than listen to the Righteous Leadership(HA) and what guidance they provide. People will instead choose to accept that which massages their own egos, as opposed to what moves a person towards perfection. 7amdu lillah.

If a person can't cope with a ruling of his/her Marja' Taqleed in a matter, and hence they switch to another Marja', this is making a mockery of a person's entire concept of Taqleed, and is fundamentally a mistake. Once a person selects a Marja' they must abide by the rulings of said Marja', until they become genuinely convinced that another is more learned than said Marja' - or according to the explanation of Taqleed as per the Marja' they are doing Taqleed of.

If the people are going to act as you have suggested, then tell me what possible hope do they have of following Imam al-Hujjah(AJ)'s commands as Harun al-Makki(A) followed the commands of Imam as-Sadiq(A), as the companions of Imam Husayn(A) followed the commandments of Imam Husayn(A) - no ifs, not buts, no excuses. They are given a task, they do this task, regardless of whether they personally like it or. This is the meaning of when we say "May my soul be your ransom". Subhan Allah, how beautiful is Allah how amazing is Allah that He blesses us with the fulfilment of His promises in front of our eyes, if only our eyes were open and our hearts receptive to his most perfect beauty that we would realise. Subhan Allah.

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I don't approve of people doing this of course, but this is what would happen. Some people have said that they consider matam to be the higher form of worship, so to them being told that it is bidah and that they shouldn't do it would be like being told they shouldn't perform salah. The same would happen if they were told Aliun wali Allah in the adhan was bidah, or no longer said it was a recommended act.

There are people that get beaten up in Pakistan over this kind of thing.

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While basically the same hadeeth is found in Al-Toosi's, tahdheeb al-aHkaam. The difference in this hadeeth is when Al-Toosi wrote this hadeeth down, the majhool (unknown) guy, Al-Khaybaree, his name has been truncated out of the isnaad. Also another difference is the naming of the tribes of some of the major companions. Instead of it saying 3 Fulaans in a row like the first hadeeth, it has only 1 fulaan, and it names the tribes in which some of the major companions come from.

It says Al-Tameeme, and Al-`Adawee, if you do not know which tribes some major companions come from it is. Aboo Bakr is form the Banu Tameem tribe, and `Umar is from the Banu Adee

مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ الْحُسَيْنِ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ إِسْمَاعِيلَ بْنِ بَزِيعٍ عَنِ الْحُسَيْنِ بْنِ ثُوَيْرٍ وَ أَبِي سَلَمَةَ السَّرَّاجِ قَالا سَمِعْنَا أَبَا عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع وَ هُوَ يَلْعَنُ فِي دُبُرِ كُلِّ مَكْتُوبَةٍ أَرْبَعَةً مِنَ الرِّجَالِ وَ أَرْبَعاً مِنَ النِّسَاءِ- التَّيْمِيَّ وَ الْعَدَوِيَّ وَ فُعْلَانَ وَ مُعَاوِيَةَ وَ يُسَمِّيهِمْ وَ فُلَانَةَ وَ فُلَانَةَ وَ هِنْدَ وَ أُمَّ الْحَكَمِ أُخْتَ مُعَاوِيَةَ

“We heard Abaa `Abd Allaah (عليه السلام) and he would do la`nah (curse) in the back (after) every prescribed (salaah) 4 from the men and 4 from the women. Al-Tameemee, Al-`Adawee, Fulaan, and Mu`aawiyah, and by their name, fulaan, fulaan, Hind, and Umm Al-Hakam, sister of Mu`aawiyah”

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  • Al-Toosi, Tahdheeb Al-aHkaam, vol. 2, pg. 321
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  • Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is SaHeeH (Authentic)
    --> Milaadh Al-Akhyaar, vol. 4, pg. 484

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Bro, this is obviously a mistake by Shaykh Tusi (ar) in copying the isnad from Kulayni's book. Shaykh al-Radhy has discussed this in detail. He quotes ash-Shahid ath-Thani (ar) . . .

موقف ابن الشهيد الثاني :

الشيخ حسن ابن الشهيد الثاني المتوفى 1011 هـ روى هذا الحديث في كتابه منتقى الجمان عن التهذيب ثم التفت إلى ما في التهذيب من سقط ثم قال :

وظن بعض الأصحاب صحة هذا الخبر كما هو قضية البناء على الظاهر ، وبعد التصفح يعلم أنه معلل أو واضح الضعف لأن الكليني رواه ([17]) عن محمد بن يحيى ، عن محمد بن الحسين ، عن محمد بن إسماعيل بن بزيع ، عن الخيبري ببقية الاسناد ، وهذا كما ترى عين الطريق الذي رواه به الشيخ إلا في الواسطة التي بين ( ابن بزيع ) و ( ابن ثوير ) ووجودها يمنع من صحة الخبر لجهالة حال الرجل ، واحتمال سقوطها سهوا من رواية الشيخ قائم علي وجه يغلب فيها الظن فثبت به العلة في الخبر ، وفي فهرست الشيخ أن محمد بن إسماعيل بن بزيع يروي كتاب الحسين بن ثوير عن الخيبري عنه ، ولعل انضمام هذا إلى ما في رواية الكليني يفيد وضوح ضعف السند

also note Najashi's tarjama. . .

ذكر النجاشي في ترجمة الحسين بن ثوير كما في الكافي وذلك كما يلي :

قال النجاشي في ترجمة : الحسين بن ثوير بن أبي فاختة سعيد بن حمران مولى أم هاني بنت أبي طالب.

روى عن أبي جعفر و أبي عبد الله عليهما السلام، ثقة، ذكره أبو العباس في الرجال و غيره، قديم الموت. له كتاب نوادر، أخبرناه علي بن أحمد، قال حدثنا محمد بن الحسن، عن سعد و الحميري، قالا حدثنا أحمد بن أبي عبد الله، عن محمد بن إسماعيل ، عن خيبري بن علي عن الحسين به

More: http://www.alradhy.com/sawt/ashora1428/fromalgholat.htm (last sections)

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Next thing you know they will put (ra) after their names, etc. It is a slippery slope.

May Allah have mercy on Abu Bakr,

May Allah have mercy on Umar,

May Allah have mercy on Uthman.

May Allah have mercy on all those who may have made major mistakes in this life, and insha Allah will repent before Allah.

http://www.shiachat....ndpost&p=108158

Many faithful companions of Imam Ali(a) including his sons took part in some of the battles/conquests under the caliphate of Shaykhayn(ra).

http://www.shiachat....ost__p__1750810

...among others.

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Subhan Allah, you say your "interest" is death, but your arrogance and that of your allies is like one who feels he/she is immortal. Subhan Allah how strange.

But I'm glad you provided the link to the post that Br Jondab Ali had said 7 years ago, and what I had said after him also 7 years ago. 7amdu lillah our stance is identical and we say the same.

You and your ilk would do well to avoid fringe and confused interpretation of ahadeeth that you are clearly far too stupid and ignorant to even begin to comprehend and/or determine the authenticity/reliability of, and learn instead about the true Islam of Muhammad(S), an Islam that is not fetishized by a psychotic and inane desire to curse, but rather seeks to elevate a person towards the divine and most perfect. You might also want to remind yourselves that QURAN is far superior and far far more reliable than any hadeeth. Fact. Infact Quran is a benchmark for the verification of ahadeeth. If a hadeeth contradicts Quran - we don't throw Quran away, we throw THE HADEETH AWAY. As per the teachings of Imam as-Sadiq(A). You might want to reflect on Quran more than random and fringe ahadeeth from the compilations (collecting together without judging) of ahadeeth.

As for making la'nah, I do make lan'ah on some people. I make lan'ah on those who Quran has made la'nah, and I go as far as Ziyarat Ashura. I don't ever presume to suggest there is a "code" as some people have, I believe that our Aimmah al-Athaar(A) came to clarify things and not make more confusing that which is already simple. If they did that then Allah's justice comes into question, and if Allah ceases to be Just - then Allah is not Allah, and the whole thing falls apart at the seams.

If you have evidence and proof of this code, that is irrefutable and accepted by the Righteous Ulema(HA), and not just a figment of your hadeeth and la'an obsessed mind, then bring it forth. Like our respected Br Orion has asked you to bring evidence that you have failed to. Incidently when I say you my reference is to you and all your allies and buddies (yeah you guys who share the same url on your signature and speak the same self righteous jibberish).

I seek refuge from the ignorant and arrogant ones in Allah from their fitneh and grandiose claims, from the harm they cause the Ummah, and we ask you Allah to remove from your mercy those who work to confuse and harm the Ummah, and who actively work to massage their egos, and ignore the plight of Islam as they do so, while having a sense of being pious and righteous due to their abject delusion and confusion and allegiance to the confused Islam of Shaytaan.

Shabbir

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I've seen on tv, that alot of shia scholars from the Sub-continent, when saying the names of the personalities that our sunni brothers respect, use phrase such as ''Hazrat'' before their names, and (ra) after. They would however go on to constructively critisize them. It would make sunnis more willing to listen I guess, and have a greater impact. If for that purpose, I see no harm.

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FROM : DUA E SANAME QURAISH

O Allah curse those two, secretly and openly, such a beating which is forever continuous, nonstop and innumberable. Such a whipping which commences in the morning but does not ends at night.

Such a beating should be on those tyrants, and their helpers, their assistance, their friends and their lovers, those attracted to them and those who acknowledge their deeds, those who present proof for them, and those who follow their words, and those who approve their actions.

(Then recite four times).

O Allah! Send such a harsh chastisement upon them, that the dwellers of Hell start screaming, O Lord of the Universe accept this prayer from me.

http://duas.org/alaviya/dua-120.htm

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^^ First it was the ''fulan fulan'', now its ''those two''. If you have hadith about the Imams (as) sending laana on wife of the Prophet by name, please do bring them forward. Quoting these duas with the names remaining ambigious, just proves our point, that we SHOULDNT name and curse them. Send laana on all the oppressors, and surely Allah (swt) is the best of judges, and best knowing of who deserves them. At a time, where Muslims need to unite as much as ever, such petty bickering over issues 1400 years ago, is not worth it. Instead of sending a laanat on someone, send a salwaat. Or maybe, recite the praise of the Allah (swt). Or maybe, read a verse of the Quran. Surely thats more productive.

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Give me one single example from hadith where Masoomeen (as) practiced these rituals that Iran has banned.

what, like chanting "death to enemies of the wilayat faqih" and "the blood in our veins is a gift to wilayat faqih" you mean?

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^^ First it was the ''fulan fulan'', now its ''those two''. If you have hadith about the Imams (as) sending laana on wife of the Prophet by name, please do bring them forward. Quoting these duas with the names remaining ambigious, just proves our point, that we SHOULDNT name and curse them. Send laana on all the oppressors, and surely Allah (swt) is the best of judges, and best knowing of who deserves them. At a time, where Muslims need to unite as much as ever, such petty bickering over issues 1400 years ago, is not worth it. Instead of sending a laanat on someone, send a salwaat. Or maybe, recite the praise of the Allah (swt). Or maybe, read a verse of the Quran. Surely thats more productive.

In His Name, the Most High

Salaams

Like I said earlier bro. These people have a fetish for making la'nah. They dare not make the general la'nah on the dhalemeen, since they know they are secretly dhalemeen themselves, and hence a general la'nah would apply directly to themselves. Hence they must find by whatever mechanism possible the ability to make la'nah while exceeding the boundaries set by Quran and the Righteous Teachings of the Aimmah al-Athaar(A).

May Allah remove his mercy (i.e. make la'nah) on those who seek to harm the Ummah and who work to conform Islam to their egos and desires and fetishes. May Allah's intense la'nah be upon the mufsedeen fil ardh, from the jinn and the humanity. Ameen, Ya Rab al-Alemeen.

With Salaams and Dua's

Shabbir

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Does making (false) allegations and celebrating a death fall under lan'ah? Either way there is a time and a place for every thing, some times we must remain calm like Imam Sadiq (as), some times we must compromise like Imam al-Hassan (as) some times we must rise up like Imam al-Hussain (as), different times call for different courses of action

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May Allah remove his mercy on those who seek to harm the Ummah and who work to conform Islam to their egos and desires and fetishes. May Allah's intense la'nah be upon the mufsedeen fil ardh, from the jinn and the humanity. Ameen, Ya Rab al-Alemeen.

With Salaams and Dua's

Shabbir

Ameen, Ya Rab alalemeen. BI haq e dam-e Hussain (as)

what, like chanting "death to enemies of the wilayat faqih" and "the blood in our veins is a gift to wilayat faqih" you mean?

Or like playing Chess halal , or music halal , interest halal or showing Hollywood(marg bar America???) and Bollywood films(BLONDES without Hijab wow guess i saw julia roberts some months Ago) on IRIB channels and live music concert on IRIB and Guess what ??preparing for Imam Mahdi(as)...LOL

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Or like playing Chess halal , or music halal , interest halal or showing Hollywood(marg bar America???) and Bollywood films on IRIB channels and live music concert on IRIB and Guess what ??preparing for Imam Mahdi(as)...LOL

brother the rule is - if iran does it, then anyone who says its wrong is a zionist agent.

marj bar munafiqun.

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Or like playing Chess halal , or music halal , interest halal or showing Hollywood(marg bar America???) and Bollywood films(BLONDES without Hijab wow guess i saw julia roberts some months Ago) on IRIB channels and live music concert on IRIB and Guess what ??preparing for Imam Mahdi(as)...LOL

Im not really surprised by this attitude to be honest. When you cant contribute to the thread anymore, or answer the question that was posed, about bringing proof that show the Imams (as) explicitly cursing Ayesha, you resort to bad mouthing the Islamic Republic. Typical of you fitna mongers to do that.

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All I have seen so far is fulan, fulan, fulan. Have you quoted any authentic hadith where Masoomeen (as) have cursed Mother Ayesha by NAME??????? Do you have any such hadith?????

Regarding the scholars from the past. May Allah bless them all. But I dont follow them. I follow the scholars of today.

This is not even a right question.

There is a reason why many of our hadiths don’t mention the name of oppressors (Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ayesha) openly. This was not an oversight from our Imams.

The wisdom is that the Shias could actually be able to narrate this hadith openly without fearing for their life.

When the hadith say “Curse be on the first, second, someone X, someone Y or That woman” Everyone should know who these personalities are.

Scholars of past that you don’t believe were actually quite intelligent. I think most people just don't give them enough credit.

Disclaimer: I don't approve of cursing the Sunni Sahabas or Prophet wives,

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what, like chanting "death to enemies of the wilayat faqih" and "the blood in our veins is a gift to wilayat faqih" you mean?

epic FAIL :!!!:..

Give me one single example from hadith where Masoomeen practiced these rituals that Iran has banned.

Not something "an Iranian practiced", which "the Masumeen didn't"..

Back to the knives? :squeez:

This is not even a right question.

There is a reason why many of our hadiths don’t mention the name of oppressors (Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ayesha) openly. This was not an oversight from our Imams.

The wisdom is that the Shias could actually be able to narrate this hadith openly without fearing for their life.

When the hadith say “Curse be on the first, second, someone X, someone Y or That woman” Everyone should know who these personalities are.

Scholars of past that you don’t believe were actually quite intelligent. I think most people just don't give them enough credit.

Disclaimer: I don't approve of cursing the Sunni Sahabas or Prophet wives,

lol, so everyone ignoramus can work what curse 1, 2, 3 and the lady means, except billions of Sunni's over the last 1400 centuries? Great taqiyyah.

Hrmm, I don't even know what stance your trying to promote with that comment..

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^^yeah...cos pointing out that retards who jump on the "imams didnt do it" bandwagon are actually hypocrites because theres TONNES of things THEY think is acceptable that the imams didnt do either, is a fitnah and proves that we are all zionist agents out to destroy the revolution right

*rolls eyes*

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Bro, this is obviously a mistake by Shaykh Tusi (ar) in copying the isnad from Kulayni's book. Shaykh al-Radhy has discussed this in detail. He quotes ash-Shahid ath-Thani (ar) . . .

موقف ابن الشهيد الثاني :

الشيخ حسن ابن الشهيد الثاني المتوفى 1011 هـ روى هذا الحديث في كتابه منتقى الجمان عن التهذيب ثم التفت إلى ما في التهذيب من سقط ثم قال :

وظن بعض الأصحاب صحة هذا الخبر كما هو قضية البناء على الظاهر ، وبعد التصفح يعلم أنه معلل أو واضح الضعف لأن الكليني رواه ([17]) عن محمد بن يحيى ، عن محمد بن الحسين ، عن محمد بن إسماعيل بن بزيع ، عن الخيبري ببقية الاسناد ، وهذا كما ترى عين الطريق الذي رواه به الشيخ إلا في الواسطة التي بين ( ابن بزيع ) و ( ابن ثوير ) ووجودها يمنع من صحة الخبر لجهالة حال الرجل ، واحتمال سقوطها سهوا من رواية الشيخ قائم علي وجه يغلب فيها الظن فثبت به العلة في الخبر ، وفي فهرست الشيخ أن محمد بن إسماعيل بن بزيع يروي كتاب الحسين بن ثوير عن الخيبري عنه ، ولعل انضمام هذا إلى ما في رواية الكليني يفيد وضوح ضعف السند

also note Najashi's tarjama. . .

ذكر النجاشي في ترجمة الحسين بن ثوير كما في الكافي وذلك كما يلي :

قال النجاشي في ترجمة : الحسين بن ثوير بن أبي فاختة سعيد بن حمران مولى أم هاني بنت أبي طالب.

روى عن أبي جعفر و أبي عبد الله عليهما السلام، ثقة، ذكره أبو العباس في الرجال و غيره، قديم الموت. له كتاب نوادر، أخبرناه علي بن أحمد، قال حدثنا محمد بن الحسن، عن سعد و الحميري، قالا حدثنا أحمد بن أبي عبد الله، عن محمد بن إسماعيل ، عن خيبري بن علي عن الحسين به

More: http://www.alradhy.c...romalgholat.htm (last sections)

w/s

(salam)

Can someone insha Allah give an exact translation of what brother jondab has posted in arabic.

I used Google translator this is how it translated through that.

The position of the second son of the martyr:

Son of the martyr Sheikh Hassan II died 1011 e narrated this hadeeth in his book Joman selected for refinement and then turned to what the discipline of the fallen and then said:

He thought some of our companions the validity of this news as is the issue of building on the surface, and after browsing knows he reasoned, or a clear weakness because Kulayni Narrated by ([17]) from Muhammad bin Yahya, from Muhammad ibn al-Husayn, Muhammad bin Ismail bin Bazi, for Alkhyeeri the rest of the backing , and as you can see Ain Road, which was narrated by Al only in the medium that between (the son of Bazi) and (I'm Thwair) and its presence prevents the news of the foolishness of this man, and the possibility of falling accidentally from the novel by Sheikh based on the face of predominantly conjecture is proven by the illness in the news , and Al-Sheikh Muhammad bin Ismail bin Bazi book tells Hussein Bin Thwair Alkhyeeri for him, and perhaps to join in this novel Kulayni benefit and clarity of weak bond

also note Najashi's tarjama. . .

Negus said in the translation of Al-Hussein Bin Thwair as adequate as follows:

Negus said in the translation: Al-Hussein Bin Thwair bin Said bin Abi Fajtp Hamran freed slave of Umm Hani bint Abi Talib.

Narrated from Abu Jafar and Abu Abdullah, peace be upon them, trust, said Abu Abbas in men and others, is death. His book Single, told him Ali bin Ahmad, said Muhammad ibn al-Hasan from Sa and Humairi, said Ahmed bin Abi Abdullah Muhammad bin Ismail, for Khyeeri Ben Ali Hussein tags

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(salam)

lol, so everyone ignoramus can work what curse 1, 2, 3 and the lady means, except billions of Sunni's over the last 1400 centuries? Great taqiyyah.

Hrmm, I don't even know what stance your trying to promote with that comment..

Let me ask you something. Can you find the name of Ali, Fatima, Hassan, Hussein and the other Imams in the Quran? Why don't we reject all the verses in the Quran, starting with ayat at tahir. Where is the name of the people that it was intended for?

Billions of Sunnis don't follow the ahlul bayt as it was intended. Since the majority is in error, that in itself is the evidence of how messed up the Islamic Ummah is.

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^^ First it was the ''fulan fulan'', now its ''those two''. If you have hadith about the Imams (as) sending laana on wife of the Prophet by name, please do bring them forward. Quoting these duas with the names remaining ambigious, just proves our point, that we SHOULDNT name and curse them. Send laana on all the oppressors, and surely Allah (swt) is the best of judges, and best knowing of who deserves them. At a time, where Muslims need to unite as much as ever, such petty bickering over issues 1400 years ago, is not worth it. Instead of sending a laanat on someone, send a salwaat. Or maybe, recite the praise of the Allah (swt). Or maybe, read a verse of the Quran. Surely thats more productive.

AS-Saffar-Muhammed Ibn Isa-Yunos Ibn Abdurrahman(ar) -Imam Baqir (as) Behind this sun there is forty suns between each sun is a time of forty years. Over there is many people who don't know whether Allah created Adam or not. And behind this moon of your there is forty moons between each moon is the time of fourty years and over there is many people who don't know whether Allah created Adam or no. They have been inspired just like how the bees have been inspired to curse the first and second continually all the time. And Allah has supervised angles for them that when whenever they dont curse them they will be punished.

Reference: Mukhtasar Bada'er page 12 and Basa'er Darajat volume 2 page 432 hadith # 9

Abi Yahya al-Madani narrated that Imam al-Sadiq

taught the following Du'aa to be recited by the Shia after each

prayer:

"O Allah! I ask You by Your great Right/due to send blessings

to Muhammad and his family, a thorough and everlasting

blessing, and enter their lovers and the believers in their

Wilaya --whether they are on the land, on the mountain, or on

the sea-- to the blessing of this Du'aa so that it lights up

their eyes. O Allah protect those of them who are away and

return them safely to their families, relieve their distressed

ones, cover the unclothed, fill their huger and their thirst,

fulfill the debt of the losers, facilitate the marriage the

unmarried ones, heal their patients, brighten up their

deceased, help the oppressed ones amongst the lovers of the

family of Muhammad (&HF) and put out the fire of the

enemies.

O Allah! Increase in multiple Your curse, torment, and

punishment on those two who were disgraceful to Your blessing,

weakened Your Apostle, accused Your Prophet and opposed him,

broke his covenant on his executor and claimed the position of

him, changed his commandments, transformed his Sunna,

overturned his religion, belittled the value of Your Proofs,

initiated the trend of oppressing them, were pioneers of

disloyalty and disobedience to them, paved the way for

slaying, revolting and waging war against them, prevented Your

Khalifa from filling the holes/cracks and from setting right

the crocked and from implementing the commandments and from

manifesting the truth of the religion of Islam and from

establishing the limits of Quran.

O Allah! Curse those two and their two daughters and all those

who inclined to what they inclined and those who follow their

footsteps and pursued their way and those who headed their

innovations --the curse that could never come to anyone's mind

and People of Fire seek refuge from it. O Allah curse anyone

who yields to their saying and follows their commands and

calls people to them, and those who doubt in their Kufr from

the first to the last generations."

- Mustadrak al-Wasa'il, v5, p60, Hadith #5366

- Muhaj al-Da'awat, Sayyid Ibn Tawus, p333

- Bihar al-Anwar, v83/86, p59, Hadith #67

Imam al-Jawad said: ... The Messenger of Allah (pbuh)

said: "He who is reluctant to curse whomever Allah has cursed,

upon him is the curse of Allah."

- Rijal al-Kashshi, p528, Hadith #1012

- Bihar al-Anwar, v25, p318, Hadith #85

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what, like chanting "death to enemies of the wilayat faqih" and "the blood in our veins is a gift to wilayat faqih" you mean?

Wilayat al-Faqih means guardianship of a jurist. It is an established Shia concept. All emenant Shia scholars today believe that qualified Fuqha are the guardians of the Ummah during the gaiba of Imam al-Asr (ATF). When Imam (ATF) went into occultation he left his followers in the guardianship of scholars. Anyone disbeleiving in this Wilayat is grossly misguided. And anyone having enemosity against it in his heart or actively working against it is an enemy of Islam.

With such a background, the above mentioned chants are in-line with Shia aqida.

AS-Saffar-Muhammed Ibn Isa-Yunos Ibn Abdurrahman(ar) -Imam Baqir (as) Behind this sun there is forty suns between each sun is a time of forty years. Over there is many people who don't know whether Allah created Adam or not. And behind this moon of your there is forty moons between each moon is the time of fourty years and over there is many people who don't know whether Allah created Adam or no. They have been inspired just like how the bees have been inspired to curse the first and second continually all the time. And Allah has supervised angles for them that when whenever they dont curse them they will be punished.

Reference: Mukhtasar Bada'er page 12 and Basa'er Darajat volume 2 page 432 hadith # 9

Abi Yahya al-Madani narrated that Imam al-Sadiq

taught the following Du'aa to be recited by the Shia after each

prayer:

"O Allah! I ask You by Your great Right/due to send blessings

to Muhammad and his family, a thorough and everlasting

blessing, and enter their lovers and the believers in their

Wilaya --whether they are on the land, on the mountain, or on

the sea-- to the blessing of this Du'aa so that it lights up

their eyes. O Allah protect those of them who are away and

return them safely to their families, relieve their distressed

ones, cover the unclothed, fill their huger and their thirst,

fulfill the debt of the losers, facilitate the marriage the

unmarried ones, heal their patients, brighten up their

deceased, help the oppressed ones amongst the lovers of the

family of Muhammad (&HF) and put out the fire of the

enemies.

O Allah! Increase in multiple Your curse, torment, and

punishment on those two who were disgraceful to Your blessing,

weakened Your Apostle, accused Your Prophet and opposed him,

broke his covenant on his executor and claimed the position of

him, changed his commandments, transformed his Sunna,

overturned his religion, belittled the value of Your Proofs,

initiated the trend of oppressing them, were pioneers of

disloyalty and disobedience to them, paved the way for

slaying, revolting and waging war against them, prevented Your

Khalifa from filling the holes/cracks and from setting right

the crocked and from implementing the commandments and from

manifesting the truth of the religion of Islam and from

establishing the limits of Quran.

O Allah! Curse those two and their two daughters and all those

who inclined to what they inclined and those who follow their

footsteps and pursued their way and those who headed their

innovations --the curse that could never come to anyone's mind

and People of Fire seek refuge from it. O Allah curse anyone

who yields to their saying and follows their commands and

calls people to them, and those who doubt in their Kufr from

the first to the last generations."

- Mustadrak al-Wasa'il, v5, p60, Hadith #5366

- Muhaj al-Da'awat, Sayyid Ibn Tawus, p333

- Bihar al-Anwar, v83/86, p59, Hadith #67

Imam al-Jawad said: ... The Messenger of Allah (pbuh)

said: "He who is reluctant to curse whomever Allah has cursed,

upon him is the curse of Allah."

- Rijal al-Kashshi, p528, Hadith #1012

- Bihar al-Anwar, v25, p318, Hadith #85

Want more !!!!!

Akhi all that is good, but it does not answer my question.

So go back to your search and find an authentic hadith where Masoomeen (as) have cursed Amma Ayesha by NAME.

Do you have any such hadith?????

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(salam)

Is this another thread, where zealot patriots put Iran before Islam?

Is this another thread, in which, according to whom, whatever comes out of Iran, and whatever Iran does, is perfectly aligned with Islam?

I was hoping that this blind following of the Iranian regime, and this blind faith in Iran, this Iranism, would stay in the Politics section of this forum.

However, I guess, Iranism was always bound to leak to other parts of this forum as well.

I find it quite amusing, how some people are willing to question and argue against Saheeh hadiths, in order to defend the actions of the Iranian regime.

This is a clear, yet very sad, statement about the state of the current umma.

We are willing to bend over backwards to please everyone by cherry picking parts of our faith and rejecting whatever else that isn't aligned with our desires and politics.

Have you then considered him who takes his low desire for his god, and Allah has made him err having knowledge and has set a seal upon his ear and his heart and put a covering upon his eye. Who can then guide him after Allah? Will you not then be mindful? (45:23)

(salam)

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I find it quite amusing, how some people are willing to question and argue against Saheeh hadiths, in order to defend the actions of the Iranian regime.

(bismillah)

Akhi what Sahih hadith are you talking about. If you know any, please bring it forward. I have been asking it but almost 12 hours have passed and no response. Maybe you have the hadith, so I ask you:

Give me one single example from hadith where Masoomeen (as) practiced Moharram rituals that Iran has banned.

WS

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Akhi what Sahih hadith are you talking about. If you know any, please bring it forward. I have been asking it but almost 12 hours have passed and no response. Maybe you have the hadith, so I ask you:

Give me one single example from hadith where Masoomeen (as) practiced Moharram rituals that Iran has banned.

WS

Give me one single example from hadith where Masoomeen (as) went for hajj in an AIRPLANE

and examples where Masoomeen (as) allowed playing chess, music , interest, hanging photographs in Masjids of personalities , watching hollywood and bollywood movies(on IRIB channels), live music concerts(IRIB), etc etc etc(which is all done in the so called Islamic republic of Iran ruled by a so called Rahber)

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Wilayat al-Faqih means guardianship of a jurist. It is an established Shia concept. All emenant Shia scholars today believe that qualified Fuqha are the guardians of the Ummah during the gaiba of Imam al-Asr (ATF). When Imam (ATF) went into occultation he left his followers in the guardianship of scholars. Anyone disbeleiving in this Wilayat is grossly misguided. And anyone having enemosity against it in his heart or actively working against it is an enemy of Islam.

With such a background, the above mentioned chants are in-line with Shia aqida.

The False Claimants of Deputyship of Imam Mahdi (a.s.) http://www.almuntazar.com/2005/01/27/the-false-claimants-of-deputyship-of-imam-mahdi-as/

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