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with a flying boat the whole sea has become a landing strip and an aircraft carrier.

this is for the final battle.

the opponent is on aircraft carrier and can land only on it. It cannot afford this as it intends to get to the land and not dominate the sea where it is a one to one battle and its afraid of death. It has no good reason to die for ...

the aircraft carrier in front of a large number of these is a sitting duck

... as usual ... my assessment is erroneous ...

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''too small''?

I don't know what the exact specifications of this 'flying boat' are, but judging any equipment by how 'big' or 'small' it is, is plain stupid.

Here is a slightly better analysis of the purpose of these boats;

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/09/29/matt-gurney-iranian-kamikaze-boats-must-be-taken-seriously/

Iran has released images of its new “flying boats” a flotilla of small aircraft, designated by Iran as the Bavar-2, that look like the lovechild of a jetski and a bumper car, and oddly for a military vessel, seem to have bright red paint.

Typically, you want to make it hard for the enemy to aim at you. That’s why virtually every warship and aircraft in the world is painted a very similar shade of gray— it blends well with the horizon, the sea and the skies. Blue and red? Not so much.

While it’s easy to look at the mini-planes and chuckle at the thought of them tangling with some real hardware, such tiny float planes might actually serve a role in Iranian war planning — they are tailor-made to provide a potentially devastating platform for suicide attacks against Western warships.

While there is little available information as to the performance characteristics of the flying boats, and the only known weapon system is a good old-fashioned machine gun (some reports say they can carry missiles, but certainly nothing heavy enough to sink a major warship), it would be a mistake to discount these new vessels. While they might not have much chance of ever winning a battle against Western warships or aircraft, they are well suited to a task believed to be the most likely response to Iran if war with America were to come — massed suicide attacks.

The danger is real, as shown by what happened to the USS Cole in 2000. The Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer, equipped with a state-of-the-art AEGIS radar suite and a variety of formidable missiles and guns, was almost brought down by a raft. While the ship was docked in port, the raft pulled up alongside and its three-man crew detonated the explosives they’d stashed on board. The billion-dollar warship had an enormous hole blown in its side and nearly went down. It had to be carried — literally carried — home on top of an enormous transport ship, so severe was the damage done by three men in a raft.

The Persian Gulf is, by modern military standards, incredibly shallow and narrow. Access to the Gulf is obtained through the Straits of Hormuz, a narrow choke point that Iran is fully capably of making a very dangerous place. Despite the Gulf’s small supply, roughly 40% of the world’s exported petroleum flows through the area. In a shooting war, while dozens of billion-dollar Western warships tried to maneuver in the shooting gallery that is the Gulf, Iran would unleash its shore-based cruise missiles (Some of which have wound up in the hands of Hezbollah, with devastating but illustrative results) and could flood the Gulf and its skies with swarms of these tiny boats.

It’s a threat the United States takes seriously. Two years ago, American warships came close to opening fire on Iranian boats that came out to challenge the warships, manuevering close by and explicitly threatening a suicide attack before veering away. Past history, such as during the Tanker War of the 1980s, has shown that small boats can approach large warships even in a hostile environment. Even though some orbiting airpower can make sure that most of them are destroyed before the surviving few reach their target, that is little consolation to those left to contend with those few.

All of this is, admittedly, hinged upon the unproven contention that these flying boats are indeed intended for suicide attacks, or at a more basic level, that Iranian pilots would be willing to carry out such attacks. To those points, I say this: Iran has announced its intention to mass produce vessels that serve virtually no conventional military purpose, that are too small and too lightly armed to be significant in a conventional battle and that will be controlled not by Iran’s Navy, but by a naval contingent of its fanatical Revolutionary Guards. And to those who question whether or not anyone would willingly sacrifice their lives to kill an enemy, recall that our experience over the last nine years, and Israel’s experience for two generations, shows that that region of the world is quite adept at producing angry, alienated young men happy to commit suicide as they wage war against the Crusaders and their Zionist masters. Recall also the Japanese kamikaze’s of the Second World War: If Japan could find 2,800 naval pilots willing to hurl their planes onto Allied ships, is there any reason to doubt that Iran can do the same?

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Recall also the Japanese kamikaze’s of the Second World War: If Japan could find 2,800 naval pilots willing to hurl their planes onto Allied ships, is there any reason to doubt that Iran can do the same?

Japan was willing to stop the war without a nuke , but surrender required two nukes so kamikaze could be stopped.

The emperor , the son of heaven "drank a poisoned cup" .... he had no remedy against nukes

Save pakistan if iran want to be saved from this kind of turn .......... this is the real reason for focus on pakistan.

Only talk be of muslim, no sunni or shia. the door to shia survival go thru sunni and the door to sunni survival go thru shia.

generally, war of terror has benefitted both russia and china , russia got a respite and managed to root out corruption like YUKOS and oligarchs. its economy improving with oil profits going to state. china has surge in production and dollar reserves. both will benefit from a war as long as they dont involve in it and while china would try to be scrupulous (not sure about singaporeans), russia may try to subtly catalyze events as would india do it eagerly yet covertly.

the number of these boats is consistent with some end time prophecies where huge number of sailing vessels are mentioned and it never became clear to me how would it be possible but only recently that their size is not mentioned but number certainly is.

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''too small''?

I don't know what the exact specifications of this 'flying boat' are, but judging any equipment by how 'big' or 'small' it is, is plain stupid.

Here is a slightly better analysis of the purpose of these boats;

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/09/29/matt-gurney-iranian-kamikaze-boats-must-be-taken-seriously/

Iran has released images of its new “flying boats” a flotilla of small aircraft, designated by Iran as the Bavar-2, that look like the lovechild of a jetski and a bumper car, and oddly for a military vessel, seem to have bright red paint.

Typically, you want to make it hard for the enemy to aim at you. That’s why virtually every warship and aircraft in the world is painted a very similar shade of gray— it blends well with the horizon, the sea and the skies. Blue and red? Not so much.

While it’s easy to look at the mini-planes and chuckle at the thought of them tangling with some real hardware, such tiny float planes might actually serve a role in Iranian war planning — they are tailor-made to provide a potentially devastating platform for suicide attacks against Western warships.

While there is little available information as to the performance characteristics of the flying boats, and the only known weapon system is a good old-fashioned machine gun (some reports say they can carry missiles, but certainly nothing heavy enough to sink a major warship), it would be a mistake to discount these new vessels. While they might not have much chance of ever winning a battle against Western warships or aircraft, they are well suited to a task believed to be the most likely response to Iran if war with America were to come — massed suicide attacks.

The danger is real, as shown by what happened to the USS Cole in 2000. The Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer, equipped with a state-of-the-art AEGIS radar suite and a variety of formidable missiles and guns, was almost brought down by a raft. While the ship was docked in port, the raft pulled up alongside and its three-man crew detonated the explosives they’d stashed on board. The billion-dollar warship had an enormous hole blown in its side and nearly went down. It had to be carried — literally carried — home on top of an enormous transport ship, so severe was the damage done by three men in a raft.

The Persian Gulf is, by modern military standards, incredibly shallow and narrow. Access to the Gulf is obtained through the Straits of Hormuz, a narrow choke point that Iran is fully capably of making a very dangerous place. Despite the Gulf’s small supply, roughly 40% of the world’s exported petroleum flows through the area. In a shooting war, while dozens of billion-dollar Western warships tried to maneuver in the shooting gallery that is the Gulf, Iran would unleash its shore-based cruise missiles (Some of which have wound up in the hands of Hezbollah, with devastating but illustrative results) and could flood the Gulf and its skies with swarms of these tiny boats.

It’s a threat the United States takes seriously. Two years ago, American warships came close to opening fire on Iranian boats that came out to challenge the warships, manuevering close by and explicitly threatening a suicide attack before veering away. Past history, such as during the Tanker War of the 1980s, has shown that small boats can approach large warships even in a hostile environment. Even though some orbiting airpower can make sure that most of them are destroyed before the surviving few reach their target, that is little consolation to those left to contend with those few.

All of this is, admittedly, hinged upon the unproven contention that these flying boats are indeed intended for suicide attacks, or at a more basic level, that Iranian pilots would be willing to carry out such attacks. To those points, I say this: Iran has announced its intention to mass produce vessels that serve virtually no conventional military purpose, that are too small and too lightly armed to be significant in a conventional battle and that will be controlled not by Iran’s Navy, but by a naval contingent of its fanatical Revolutionary Guards. And to those who question whether or not anyone would willingly sacrifice their lives to kill an enemy, recall that our experience over the last nine years, and Israel’s experience for two generations, shows that that region of the world is quite adept at producing angry, alienated young men happy to commit suicide as they wage war against the Crusaders and their Zionist masters. Recall also the Japanese kamikaze’s of the Second World War: If Japan could find 2,800 naval pilots willing to hurl their planes onto Allied ships, is there any reason to doubt that Iran can do the same?

Suicide bombing is halal? I've only heard Ayatollah Fadallah say this and that too for the Palestinians

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''too small''?

I don't know what the exact specifications of this 'flying boat' are, but judging any equipment by how 'big' or 'small' it is, is plain stupid.

Here is a slightly better analysis of the purpose of these boats;

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/09/29/matt-gurney-iranian-kamikaze-boats-must-be-taken-seriously/

Iran has released images of its new “flying boats” a flotilla of small aircraft, designated by Iran as the Bavar-2, that look like the lovechild of a jetski and a bumper car, and oddly for a military vessel, seem to have bright red paint.

Typically, you want to make it hard for the enemy to aim at you. That’s why virtually every warship and aircraft in the world is painted a very similar shade of gray— it blends well with the horizon, the sea and the skies. Blue and red? Not so much.

While it’s easy to look at the mini-planes and chuckle at the thought of them tangling with some real hardware, such tiny float planes might actually serve a role in Iranian war planning — they are tailor-made to provide a potentially devastating platform for suicide attacks against Western warships.

While there is little available information as to the performance characteristics of the flying boats, and the only known weapon system is a good old-fashioned machine gun (some reports say they can carry missiles, but certainly nothing heavy enough to sink a major warship), it would be a mistake to discount these new vessels. While they might not have much chance of ever winning a battle against Western warships or aircraft, they are well suited to a task believed to be the most likely response to Iran if war with America were to come — massed suicide attacks.

The danger is real, as shown by what happened to the USS Cole in 2000. The Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer, equipped with a state-of-the-art AEGIS radar suite and a variety of formidable missiles and guns, was almost brought down by a raft. While the ship was docked in port, the raft pulled up alongside and its three-man crew detonated the explosives they’d stashed on board. The billion-dollar warship had an enormous hole blown in its side and nearly went down. It had to be carried — literally carried — home on top of an enormous transport ship, so severe was the damage done by three men in a raft.

The Persian Gulf is, by modern military standards, incredibly shallow and narrow. Access to the Gulf is obtained through the Straits of Hormuz, a narrow choke point that Iran is fully capably of making a very dangerous place. Despite the Gulf’s small supply, roughly 40% of the world’s exported petroleum flows through the area. In a shooting war, while dozens of billion-dollar Western warships tried to maneuver in the shooting gallery that is the Gulf, Iran would unleash its shore-based cruise missiles (Some of which have wound up in the hands of Hezbollah, with devastating but illustrative results) and could flood the Gulf and its skies with swarms of these tiny boats.

It’s a threat the United States takes seriously. Two years ago, American warships came close to opening fire on Iranian boats that came out to challenge the warships, manuevering close by and explicitly threatening a suicide attack before veering away. Past history, such as during the Tanker War of the 1980s, has shown that small boats can approach large warships even in a hostile environment. Even though some orbiting airpower can make sure that most of them are destroyed before the surviving few reach their target, that is little consolation to those left to contend with those few.

All of this is, admittedly, hinged upon the unproven contention that these flying boats are indeed intended for suicide attacks, or at a more basic level, that Iranian pilots would be willing to carry out such attacks. To those points, I say this: Iran has announced its intention to mass produce vessels that serve virtually no conventional military purpose, that are too small and too lightly armed to be significant in a conventional battle and that will be controlled not by Iran’s Navy, but by a naval contingent of its fanatical Revolutionary Guards. And to those who question whether or not anyone would willingly sacrifice their lives to kill an enemy, recall that our experience over the last nine years, and Israel’s experience for two generations, shows that that region of the world is quite adept at producing angry, alienated young men happy to commit suicide as they wage war against the Crusaders and their Zionist masters. Recall also the Japanese kamikaze’s of the Second World War: If Japan could find 2,800 naval pilots willing to hurl their planes onto Allied ships, is there any reason to doubt that Iran can do the same?

What a bunch of nonsense.

"Human wave," "suicide attack."

Of course this is the only principle in Iranian military science, according to them.

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i don't get it, these things look like toys.  at best the planes use WWII technology for their flying.  float planes have been around for a long while.  Private consumers might be interested in these as their private planes, but for the military they seem useless.  

Maybe the military sees a further use for this technology in a not-yet-produced future aircraft? 

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Suicide bombing is halal? I've only heard Ayatollah Fadallah say this and that too for the Palestinians

There is a thin line between a suicidal move and putting up a brave fight with a view to eliminate the enemy combatant in a full scale conventional war - Quite unlike the street suicide attacks we have become accustomed to. Remember war stories in Pakistani textbooks about Indo-Pak war of '65? A few Lance Naiks strapped bombs with their bodies and went running towards Indian tanks, got in their way and blew themselves up and the tanks at the same time. It was suicidal per se but it also struck a heavy blow to the other side.

Perhaps Iran's war planners have same kind of option on the table because there seems no other conventional use of these small "flying boats" if they can't be used to severely damage the state-of-the-art warships in a suicidal move. The posted analytical article does have a point.

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I don't see them being used in combat.

At such low speed and less altitude they would be easy game for any Navy. This would also rule out their use in a suicide mission or even recon missions.

I know the plane is really small but maybe small sized ASMs could be mounted on it.

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The Sacred Defense people can use these flying boats to defend the country. Their size is no matter, and their use is unlimited to the creative minds.

Have you heard about the Chinese invention, the Straddling Bus? It is a bus that is tall and moves above the street, even when there is a traffic jam. The bus simply maneuvers over the cars beneath it.

Video: China straddling bus [ENGLISH computer voice over] the only English video

Well, just imagine when there is a traffic jam or debris in the water, the flying boat can take off and fly over it. If the Straits of Hormoz have a traffic jam, the flying boats will be in service.

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This is kinda interesting. Anyone with a video of the flying boats in action?

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I saw it on Press TV. It's on youtube here:

Islamic Iran Launches "Bavar-2" Stealth Flying Boats - Details [Press TV News]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYJuoGDK4ms

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I must admit, this would be an excellent tactic to defeat the enemy at a time of war. Make the other side laugh in tears and then deliver the menacing blow.

Its not meant for war usage, its initially meant to be used to capture drug dealers and drug trafficking boats.

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Its not meant for war usage, its initially meant to be used to capture drug dealers and drug trafficking boats.

I have a friend who knows a lot about military stuff (he is a former US Army soldier) and he says that these are actually useful in a combat role as well.

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Looks like something out of a amusement park. The color scheme isn't helping neither.

Yeah color and cool shapes are really important here, specially in cases of catching drug smuglers.

Let's spend millions of dollars to paint cool colors and and design awesome shapes for the pilots to look cooler.

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Yeah color and cool shapes are really important here, specially in cases of catching drug smuglers.

Let's spend millions of dollars to paint cool colors and and design awesome shapes for the pilots to look cooler.

Painting cool colors costs millions of dollars?

Then how much do the planes cost!!

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Looks like something out of a amusement park. The color scheme isn't helping neither.

I think the color scheme is “cheerful”. Probably not suitable for any stealth like operation.

BTW, you can see them in action

They look better in videos than pictures.

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