Who Is Ahmad Al Hassan?

[Ahmad 313]

@ Love of Islam,

the narration has said that the age will be cut off, The call of Imam Ahmad (as) has been running for more than 12 years. He (as) is in his forties. There have been many false claimants and we can see what has happened to them.

[Love-Of-Islam]

@ Love of Islam,

the narration has said that the age will be cut off, The call of Imam Ahmad (as) has been running for more than 12 years. He (as) is in his forties. There have been many false claimants and we can see what has happened to them.

the hadith does not say BY HOW MUCH AGE WILL be cut of, all it says is this: age cut off.

as u said here:

"<<<Haydar Imshatat whose name is Abu Abdullah AlQahtani called himself the Mahdi and stole most of Ahmad's knowledge saying that is the claimant that Ahlulbayt a.s talked about. Alhamdulila as what Imam Jaafer a.s said "This matter shall not be claimed by anyone else Allah will cut off his age" v.1 p.372 Kafi Haydar Imshatat got killed May Allah curse him and he revealed to the people he was a fake Mahdi. This was after when Ahmad a.s called him for a Mubahala and he refused near Abu Fathel Al-Abbas shrine."

now look at ghulam ahmed he lived until age 73!!

Ahmad proclaimed that he was the promised Messiah and Mahdi and that he was fulfillment of various prophecies

In Tazkiratush-Shahadatain, he wrote about the fulfillment of various prophecies. In it, he enumerated a variety of prophecies and descriptions from both the Qur'an and Hadith relating to the advent of the Mahdi and the descriptions of his age, which he ascribed to himself and his age. These include assertions that he was physically described in the Hadith and manifested various other signs; some of them being wider in scope, such as focusing on world events coming to certain points, certain conditions within the Muslim community, and varied social, political, economic, and physical conditions.

despite that he died at age 73, and his age did not get cut off! or did it :mellow:

i just notice SOMETHING!!\

ahmad ismail

ghulam ahmad

see the similarties

both have ahmeds

both calim to something they are not :shifty:

Edited September 30, 2011 by Love-Of-Islam

[Abu_zar]

its a shame to see people not only denies the truth but attack it, people better wakeup and recognize that Ahmad is victorious whether people believe in him or not, he only want to save you from hell, at least lend your ears and listen to him instead of dissing him like most of you r doing, common people cant you see that he is a mercy from Allah to mankind, he is hope and salvation, and you people r killing it!!

ina lilahi wa ina ilayhi laraji3oun

may Allah help us and forgive us

No I cant see it.

I am follower of the man who said "salooni, salooni, qabla un tafqadooni"

And those before him and after him (14 masoomeen)

I have repeatedly sent Mr. Ahmad al Hassan requests to prove his ilm e ladunni by answering my 3 questions and I have requested his ansars to contact him and request him to let me find the truth. I really, really want to find if he has ilm e ladunni and do bay'at on him.

Ahmed 313 guided me to send it to a certain address and I did.

Still no answer. Why???

Is it because he does not want to guide a truth seeker?

Or is it because he does not have ilm e ladunni?

Another thing that disturbs me deeply is that why do his teachings are so much in line with those who have always tried to hurt shia-ism and shiites. Is it just a co-incidence???

[Ahmad 313]

Another thing that disturbs me deeply is that why do his teachings are so much in line with those who have always tried to hurt shia-ism and shiites. Is it just a co-incidence???

Can I know what teachings you are talking about ?

[Maula Dha Mallang]

i have officially changed my name to ahmad hassan and surname yamani (just to be safe).

do all the hadiths that mention an "ahmed" from the "east" now refer to me?

i alone possess the will of the prophet. even though you may repeatedly ask for proof, i wont show you i will just post some randomass u.verifyable hadith Nmand expect you to trust me.

SHOW US THE FRIGGING WILL.

may ahmed al hassan geeta die on the toilet, unless Allah has already dragged him to hell (alhamdulillah)

[Aabiss_Shakari]

One thing i noticed in this thread is that the people who came here to defend Ahmad Al Hassan (false claimant of messenger of Imam e Zaman a.s) have not more than 10 posts. There are clear proofs that such groups are test of our faith and they are here to destroy our core faith. Wrath of Allah be upon them.

[Ahmad 313]

[Maula Dha Mallang]

I am the yamani foretold by prophecy. these are my proofs:

- hadiths mention one who will rise from the east. pakistan is east of madina. the hadith can only therefore refer to me

- i have the will of the prophet (confirmed by marjas). but you cant see it. trust me that it refers to me though

- out of the thousands of people who insult me daily, one who happened to insult me had an accident the following day. this is proof that Allah smites my enemies.

- i am the son of imam mahdi.

- i live in hiding because i do not want people to make me into an idol

- no one has seen me in public in years. i am in ghayba just like my father, the awaited imam (atf)

- i claim to have the will of the prophet (pbuh). hadith says anyone who claims to have the will, will be killed. i am still alive. this is proof that i have it.

- i have written a few booklets.

- my ansar are active on web forums.

- no one knows if i am alive, or dead and others are pretending to be me for their own agenda

- people have said that ayatollah sistani told them he has put a death fatwa on me

- oh yeah, ayatollah sistani is the dajjal/ fake khorasani/ child eater. this is proven because he went to england for kidney surgery. but thats a lie it was to put a lens over his eye (dajjal has one eye)

- i single handedly stopped saddam from writing the quran in blood (can anyone confirm if this story is even true?)

- multiple hadiths may or may not refer to me, or anyone really.

who dares question or debate with me? it is obvious that i am the yamanai and all other imposters, such as ahmad al hassan geeta is a smelly liar. i am the real deal.

prove me wrong!

[Ahmad 313]

I am the yamani foretold by prophecy. these are my proofs<<<<<<PROOF IS IN GAIBAT AL NUMANI P.274

- hadiths mention one who will rise from the east. pakistan is east of madina. the hadith can only therefore refer to me<<IT SAYS EAST AND THERE IS A HADEETH WHICH SAYS FIRST OF THEM COMES FROM BASRA, DOES IT SAY THE FIRST OF THEM FROM PAKISTAN, IMAM ALI A.D DIDN'T SAY IT SO PLS DON'T FABRICATE THE IMAMS' WORDS, THE FIRST OF THE 313 IS FROM BASRA

- i have the will of the prophet (confirmed by marjas). but you cant see it. trust me that it refers to me though<<ARE YOU AHMAD THE TRUE BELIEVER,WERE YOU CLAIMING IT BEFORE HIM?

- out of the thousands of people who insult me daily, one who happened to insult me had an accident the following day. this is proof that Allah smites my enemies.<<<HE SMITES THE ENEMIES WHY NOT?

- i am the son of imam mahdi.<<<PROVEN BY THE PROPHET'S WILL

- i live in hiding because i do not want people to make me into an idol<<<WOULD YOU SAY THAT TO THE 12TH IMAM?

- no one has seen me in public in years. i am in ghayba just like my father, the awaited imam (atf)<<<HE IS NOT IN GAIBA HE'S STILL IN CONTACT WITH THE CLOSE SUPPORTERS

- i claim to have the will of the prophet (pbuh). hadith says anyone who claims to have the will, will be killed. i am still alive. this is proof that i have it.<<YES IT IS PROOF

- i have written a few booklets.<<<MUTASHABEHAAT HAS MORE THAN 300 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE QURAN, THAT ALL THE SCHOLARS OF THE SHIA COULDN'T EVEN DARE TO ANSWER,THE YAMANI A.S IS UP FOR THE CHALLENGE CALL ANY MARJA NOW,HE IS OPEN TO CHALLENGE ANY OF THEM

- my ansar are active on web forums.<<<SO AS THE ANSAR OF IMAM AL MAHDI

- no one knows if i am alive, or dead and others are pretending to be me for their own agenda<<<WILL YOU THINK THE SAME ABOUT THE 12TH IMAM A.S LIKE THIS?

SORRY FOR THE CAPS LOCK

[Maula Dha Mallang]

"Maula dha bang" enough of being a fool. If you do not choose to debate wisely, get out of this place.

lol...maula dha bang.....you say our imam ali (as) used marijuana, did ahmad al geeta teach you that?

[Maula Dha Mallang]

I am the yamani foretold by prophecy. these are my proofs<<<<<<PROOF IS IN GAIBAT AL NUMANI P.274

you obviously are not familiar with the book "al khubbaz bakistania bebsi zahoor", p. 110, where it lists the signs of the yamani (verified by scholars and marjas). honestly have you even SEEN the book you guys are so ignorant all you know is cut and pasting other peoples sources :dry:

<<IT SAYS EAST AND THERE IS A HADEETH WHICH SAYS FIRST OF THEM COMES FROM BASRA, DOES IT SAY THE FIRST OF THEM FROM PAKISTAN, IMAM ALI A.D DIDN'T SAY IT SO PLS DON'T FABRICATE THE IMAMS' WORDS, THE FIRST OF THE 313 IS FROM BASRA

is the lying fool the yamani, or is he the mahdi? in the same way you say this decieving basri is the "yamani" even though he is not from yemen, my ancestors lived for a time in basra so i am "from" basra. therefore it can apply to me.

<<ARE YOU AHMAD THE TRUE BELIEVER,WERE YOU CLAIMING IT BEFORE HIM?

i have the will. i am looking at it right this moment while sat on my desk at work. here is a quote from the will

I am rasool Allah (pbuh). ahmad313 is gay

there you have it. mubarak my brother the prophet mentioned you by name.

can you prove that i do not have the will of the prophet?

HE SMITES THE ENEMIES WHY NOT?

i am an enemy of ahmad al geeta smelly feet-a. may he die on the toilet. may his ansar be guided. if i am wrong, then by the name of sayyeda tahira (sa) may Allah kill me and send me to hell right now as an enemy of sayyeda tahira (sa).

(waits)

oh...im still here. fancy that.

.<<<PROVEN BY THE PROPHET'S WILL

the prophets will (that i posess) says that *i* am the imams (atf) son. it has been verified by scholars. how can you prove me wrong?

<<<WOULD YOU SAY THAT TO THE 12TH IMAM?

nope. may Allah hasten his return.

<<<HE IS NOT IN GAIBA HE'S STILL IN CONTACT WITH THE CLOSE SUPPORTERS

let me ask you for an honest reply (if that is possible). have you ever met him, or seen a recent picture of him, spoken to him on the phone, MSN'd him, skyped him or sent him a text message?

how do you know firstly if he even exists, and secondly if he is alive?

.<<YES IT IS PROOF

I HAVE THE WILL OF THE PROPHET.

since i am not dead, this is proof that i have it.

.<<<MUTASHABEHAAT HAS MORE THAN 300 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE QURAN, THAT ALL THE SCHOLARS OF THE SHIA COULDN'T EVEN DARE TO ANSWER,THE YAMANI A.S IS UP FOR THE CHALLENGE CALL ANY MARJA NOW,HE IS OPEN TO CHALLENGE ANY OF THEM

dude so what? i have been dropping bombs on this forum since i was 21 years old in 2005 that people cant answer with all the resources of their marjas at their disposal.

- my ansar are active on web forums.<<<SO AS THE ANSAR OF IMAM AL MAHDI

is imam mahdi (atf) on facebook? tell him to hit me up and turn on his iphones locations app, i wanna follow him.

- no one knows if i am alive, or dead and others are pretending to be me for their own agenda<<<WILL YOU THINK THE SAME ABOUT THE 12TH IMAM A.S LIKE THIS?

SORRY FOR THE CAPS LOCK

no.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

this is an example of some of the stupidity of the ansar of ahmad al gheeta smelly feet-a.

they claim that his ID comes out wrong, because there is so much noor in his face.

is this his picture:

if so, please can someone point out the noor.

and i find it very interesting, that from the whole world, he chooses to have america behind him in that image.

[Ahmad 313]

Thats the leader of the group Soldiers of Heaven not Ansar Al Imam Al Mahdi

[Maula Dha Mallang]

Response to the Lies of Ahmad Ismail (also known as Ahmad al Hassan)

The Ansars are a gone case. If not this one -the other crimes will drown them all. They believe in a 13th spirit which our Imam[a] foretold regarding those who will deviate from Religion. Their pledge is of heresy because they pledge to someone before the reappearance of Al-Qaim, & they disobey the 12th Imam(a)'s clear instructions within his Letter.

great job brother, in one post you have finished this argument from one end to another. naray haidari!

Thats the leader of the group Soldiers of Heaven not Ansar Al Imam Al Mahdi

awesome - so can you provide (any) picture of him? any at all, just proof that he actually exists.....?

[Love-Of-Islam]

i have no doubt that this ahmad guy is playing same tricks as ghulam ahmed I still do not know how ahmad ismail age is cuf off...

[Maula Dha Mallang]

confession time - i told a lie.

i know who that is in the picture. here is some info folks. settle down and read up.

lifted straight from their own website that they could not respond to.

(1) Dia Abdul Zahra Kadim

wiki link

Dia Abdul Zahra Kadim is a deceased Iraqi detainee, (Arabic: ضياء كاظم عبد الزهرة; c. 1970 - January 29, 2007), also known as al-Ali bin Ali bin Abi Talib (Arabic: العلي بن علي بن أبي طالب), claimed to be from Hilla, Iraq, was the leader of an armed extremist Shiite Islam cult named Jund al-Samaa ("Soldiers of Heaven" in Arabic, a well-armed Shia cult regarding the religious leadership in Najaf as illegitimate) based in Iraq He claimed to be the Hidden Imam and Mahdi. He was detained twice in recent years. He was also known to have connections to the former regime of Saddam Hussein since 1993.

After Saddam Hussein was toppled in the U.S.-led 2003 invasion of Iraq, Abdul-Zahra's group appeared to be a legitimate political movement. Soon Abdul-Zahra, who was in his mid-30s, began telling followers that he was the reincarnation of the Ali ibn Abu Talib, the first Shia Imam as well as the last of the Rightly Guided Caliphs. His followers were said to include Sunnis and Shiites, Iraqis and foreigners, men and women.

(2) Soldiers of Heaven

wiki link

The group is a destructive cult, believing that spreading chaos will hasten the return of the 12th Imam

(3) Ahmed Hassani al-Yamani al gheeta smelly feet-a

wiki link

Iraqi officials claim Ahmed al-Hassan was involved in the bloody battle with the government forces. They said the group called Soldiers of Heaven planned to attack the Imam Ali shrine at the heart of the city during the annual Ashura period and kill the Shiite religious leaders, and thus hasten the coming of the Mahdi. Recently though, a video of Iraqi officials framing followers of Ahmed bin al-Yemeni was leaked. It shows member of the Iraqi security forces placing guns and rifles in front of arrested Yameni followers and taking pictures for the media.

Iraqi security officials said that a man calling himself "Ali bin Ali bin Abi Talib" (real name was Dia Abdul Zahra Kadim) and styling himself the Mahdi, had been killed in the fighting but that the whereabouts of his "messenger" Ahmed al-Hassan was not known. Little is known about Hassan, who is believed to be from the southern city of Diwaniyah and reportedly who has told his followers he is in touch with the Hidden Imam. Some clerics said he founded his movement about eight years ago and has several thousands followers in southern Iraq.

makes you think doesnt it?

i have no doubt that this ahmad guy is playing same tricks as ghulam ahmed I still do not know how ahmad ismail age is cuf off...

brother how do you know he is alive? have you seen any evidence that he actually exists?

[Appearance]

Salam Alykom..

Inshallah all of you are doing well. I saw some people talking with manners and proves but got banned and I don t know the reason behind. So Anyways, I got a gift from one of Shia and that is the book of Ghaibat Al-Tosi that Ansar said it mentions the will of prophet Muhammad, here it is:

[Love-Of-Islam]

confession time - i told a lie.

i know who that is in the picture. here is some info folks. settle down and read up.

lifted straight from their own website that they could not respond to.

(1) Dia Abdul Zahra Kadim

wiki link

Dia Abdul Zahra Kadim is a deceased Iraqi detainee, (Arabic: ضياء كاظم عبد الزهرة; c. 1970 - January 29, 2007), also known as al-Ali bin Ali bin Abi Talib (Arabic: العلي بن علي بن أبي طالب), claimed to be from Hilla, Iraq, was the leader of an armed extremist Shiite Islam cult named Jund al-Samaa ("Soldiers of Heaven" in Arabic, a well-armed Shia cult regarding the religious leadership in Najaf as illegitimate) based in Iraq He claimed to be the Hidden Imam and Mahdi. He was detained twice in recent years. He was also known to have connections to the former regime of Saddam Hussein since 1993.

After Saddam Hussein was toppled in the U.S.-led 2003 invasion of Iraq, Abdul-Zahra's group appeared to be a legitimate political movement. Soon Abdul-Zahra, who was in his mid-30s, began telling followers that he was the reincarnation of the Ali ibn Abu Talib, the first Shia Imam as well as the last of the Rightly Guided Caliphs. His followers were said to include Sunnis and Shiites, Iraqis and foreigners, men and women.

(2) Soldiers of Heaven

wiki link

The group is a destructive cult, believing that spreading chaos will hasten the return of the 12th Imam

(3) Ahmed Hassani al-Yamani al gheeta smelly feet-a

wiki link

Iraqi officials claim Ahmed al-Hassan was involved in the bloody battle with the government forces. They said the group called Soldiers of Heaven planned to attack the Imam Ali shrine at the heart of the city during the annual Ashura period and kill the Shiite religious leaders, and thus hasten the coming of the Mahdi. Recently though, a video of Iraqi officials framing followers of Ahmed bin al-Yemeni was leaked. It shows member of the Iraqi security forces placing guns and rifles in front of arrested Yameni followers and taking pictures for the media.

Iraqi security officials said that a man calling himself "Ali bin Ali bin Abi Talib" (real name was Dia Abdul Zahra Kadim) and styling himself the Mahdi, had been killed in the fighting but that the whereabouts of his "messenger" Ahmed al-Hassan was not known. Little is known about Hassan, who is believed to be from the southern city of Diwaniyah and reportedly who has told his followers he is in touch with the Hidden Imam. Some clerics said he founded his movement about eight years ago and has several thousands followers in southern Iraq.

makes you think doesnt it?

brother how do you know he is alive? have you seen any evidence that he actually exists?

the thing is i dont know if he is alive or not but i do see a lot of resembles between ahmad and ghulam

both using quran and hadiths to make themselves appear the right and guided one

ahmad does not show his face, only appear in peoples dream ( dont know how he deos that but i think its utter lie)

ahmad created a brand new sect

ghulam created a brand new religion

ahmad (ansars) cant prove he is a live, if he is then how is his age cut off?

they bought one example who claimed to be mahdi then at the end rejected that claim and died

i bought the example of ghulam ahmad who claimed to be mahdi then at the end he lived until 73! funny thing is we dont know if his age was cut off by how much.

[Appearance]

As for the prove he is alive, Yeah a book has released last week called Al-Jawab Al-Muneer, and also a new khitab called Khitab Muharram

This is the audio of the Khitab http://almahdyoon.org/sawteyat/almaktaba-alsawtiya/khetabatemam.html

And this is its translation to english http://forum.the-savior.com/showthread.php?t=10032

Also One ShiaChat members asked Figh questions and Ansar has sent them to Imam Ahmad Al-Hassan and got the response:

(bismillah)

(salam)

Sure, here are some questions i had:

1) Are Ahl al-Kitab considered najis?

2) Is it mustahab or makrooh to wear black year-round?

3) What is his view of tatbir?

4) What is his view of the niqab?

5) i looking around on the website and i noticed in the forum that someone asked about the 3rd Shahadah in the adhan/iqama (اشهد ان علياً ولي الله). Does Ahmad al-Hasan know of the Imams (as) said this in the adhan/iqama or of the Prophet (pbuh) authorized this?

We'll see what happens when i do this insha'Allah

Thank you for your time.

w/s

Answer: Bismillah Arrahman Arraheem

Wa Alhamdulillah Rab Al-Alameen

Wa Sallah Allah Ala Muhammad w Al-Muhammad Al-Aimah wal mahdyeen wasallim tasleemah

A1) The People of the Book are Najis if they were exagerrators (the way the majority of Christians who believe that Jesus is God Tala Allah ulwwan Kabeera) or the Nasibi who sets up enemity against The Messenger Muhammad (pbuhf) or the Imams or who believes in them because he believed in them.

A2) It is not Mustahab (preferable) neither it is Makrooh (Hated) to wear black throughout the year but it is Mustahab for the person to care for the cleanness of his clothes.

A3) Tatbeer itself if it was a simple wound only to let out blood and it doesn't cause harm to the believer, then it's valid

but if it was a reason to alienate simple people from islam or to slander the islam, then it's invalid

and this is what is happeneing nowadays

so who wants to do tatbeer, he can do it in his house away from the eyes of people and this is better so that his work will be devoted for Allah if he really asked for the face of Allah by his work

whereas who do it in an arranged and grouped form and in front of simpl people especially the dissenting people and non-muslims , then they are causing people to alienate from Islam and thus their work is HARAM.

A4) Niqab is permissible but it is not obligatory.

A5) The Shahadeh (Testimony) in the Athan for the Hujjah is when they are sent; as the Shahadeh's time to Ali and his sons (a.s) is when Ali (a.s) received the Divine Khilafah after the death of the Messenger of Allah (pbuhf). As for their avoidance to some of the Shariah matters or legislated matters for the sake of Taqiyyah and to void harm and murder to their Shia, then this doesn't change them from being Legal matters. The Imams (a.s) were in Taqiyyah as they even had, at times, to break their fast in the last day of Ramadan Month in order to correspond with the Iftar of the unjust ruler.

Wassalam alykom warhmatuAllah wabrkatuh.

[Ahmad 313]

confession time - i told a lie.

Imam Rida [a] said: "Be truthful and avoid telling lies."

Wasalam

Dear brother, maybe you did not feel like reading through from the beginning of this Thread, but the Will has been taken care of. Although its sanad might be authentic, overall it is a weak hadith according to the statements of famous Islamic scholars such as Sheikh al Mufid - receiver of praises in letters from 12th Imam[a], Allamah Majlisi Author of Bihar al Anwar, and Allamah Tabarsi Author of Ihtijaj, not to mention other Ulemas with the same conclusion. Allamah Majlisi also recorded in Bihar al Anwar that Imam Sadiq[a] said to Abu Basir regarding 12 Mahdis after 12 Imams in a state of Taqiyah for he would not be able to bear the information about the Raj'at of the Masumeens.

Refer to Part 4 A of the Movie posted above for your evidence.

Awaiting your Response.

Yeah and you were shown evidence in the earlier post that they have said it was authentic, how can you go and call something weak, when they never have ssaid that them selves. bring your proof.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

Why do you live death in the toilet so much?

if you are not a paki or indian, you would not understand what this means.

a while back, there was another fake messenger/ prophet/representative called mirza ghulaam ahmed. he, like ahmad al hassan, made claims that were above his station.

he had a certain taste for expensive prostitutes in lahore, through which he caught god only knows how many STDs. they made him go mad. literally - mad.

he locked himself in the toilet of his house for 3 days during the height of one of his fevers, in which he died. when they eventually broke down the door of his toilet, he was covered literally from his head to his toe in his own excrement - even in his mouth. his death throes must have been epic.

so when i curse ahmad al hassan with this curse - i am praying that Allah gives ahmad al hassan the same punishment he gave the "other" ahmad, since they share the same name, the same deviant beliefs and the same responsibility for leading the weak minded astray.

may ahmad al hassan die on the toilet,

[Ahmad 313]

if you are not a paki or indian, you would not understand what this means.

a while back, there was another fake messenger/ prophet/representative called mirza ghulaam ahmed. he, like ahmad al hassan, made claims that were above his station.

he had a certain taste for expensive prostitutes in lahore, through which he caught god only knows how many STDs. they made him go mad. literally - mad.

he locked himself in the toilet of his house for 3 days during the height of one of his fevers, in which he died. when they eventually broke down the door of his toilet, he was covered literally from his head to his toe in his own excrement - even in his mouth. his death throes must have been epic.

So you have just proved the theory of life being cut hadith your self. May God help you, you have a very filthy mentality. Honestly feel bad for you, but it just proves how far people are from the manners of the Ahlul Bayt(as).

[Maula Dha Mallang]

So you have just proved the theory of life being cut hadith your self. May God help you, you have a very filthy mentality. Honestly feel bad for you, but it just proves how far people are from the manners of the Ahlul Bayt(as).

the old fool died when he was nearly 80 years old. thats an entire lifetime of decieving gullible simpletons.

it proves nothing.

Imam Rida [a] said: "Be truthful and avoid telling lies."

thanks for the advice.

now answer my posts.

[Love-Of-Islam]

@ brother MDM no point of talking to them about ghulam ahmed they just ignore it and talk about something else.

The fact is this: ANSARS cant prove the hadith about age cut off in anyway, which also disapproves ahmad ismail claim.

[Appearance]

@ brother MDM no point of talking to them about ghulam ahmed they just ignore it and talk about something else.

The fact is this: ANSARS cant prove the hadith about age cut off in anyway, which also disapproves ahmad ismail claim.

I believe this Hadith is from Ahlul Bait and not from Ansar, the smart is who buys the book and see if it is actually there or Ansar brought it from their pockets.

The Yamani is not from yemen, and this has been proved by Sheikh Jalal Al-Sagheer that Yamani is from Iraq and not from Yemen,

• On the authority of Abu Abdullah Al-Hussein Bin Ali (as), [The Imam -referring to Al-Mahdi- will go into two occultations; one will last so long that some will believe he is dead, and others will say he is gone. No guardian or any other person will know of his whereabouts except for the guardian who will succeed him.
  

Ilzam An-Nasib Fi Ithbat Al-Hujjat Al-Gha'ib, vol. 1, p. 298.

The previous two narrations are clear and indicate that not even the descendants of Imam Al-Mahdi (as) will know of his whereabouts at the time of his Appearance, except for the entrusted one who will succeed him and reign after the Imam (as); he is incontestably and unquestionably the guardian, that is he is the first Mahdi.

Disobeying the Yamani and messenger from Imam Mahdi is disobeying Imam Mahdy and Allah swt. And Ahlul Bait mentioned Sayyed Ahmad Al-Hassan is many narrations that include the Will of prophet Muhammad pbuhf, now if you say it's unauthentic then bring another will if you have as this is the only one and the narrators like Al-Tosi, Allameh Al-Majlisi, Sayyed Al-Sadr, etc reported it and mentioned it as proves for the Imamate....

Also Sayyed Al-Sadr said in his speech that Mahdi a.s will appear from Iraq, watch the video in the new "Arrived" Series on YT and see the video of Sayyed Al-Sadr with the translation at the bottom....

As for Mirza Gulam, I know that Ahlul Bait will not leave us astray from the right path, so they mentioned attributes that can only be assigned to the "Possessor of the Matter = Sahib al-amr" and they are the Will of Prophet Muhammad, knowledge and the banner of Allegiance to Allah; i.e. that Allah is the one who appoints a leader and not people...

So Gulam didn't bring any of this and so according to Ahlul Bait: he is an imposter, whereas I see Imam Ahmad Al-Hassan has come with these so he is one of the possessors of the matter (Which means he is one of the Successors/Khalifah of Allah).

As for the Semerri letter, the scholars have doubt about its real meaning and authenticity because they know that Sheikh Mufeed have met Imam Mahdi and that Hadeeth says whoever sees the mahdi before the rise of sufyani is a slanderous liar, and Sheikh Mufeed isn't a liar! So they gave interpretations to it and notice that it's their interpretations and they even said "MAYBE" thus it's not even an interpretation from Masuum because the Masumeen say that there is a messneger from Imam Mahdi and he's the yamani that calls to Imam Mahdi a.s...

[insha]

age can be cut off by a day or a minute just one example does not prove a thing

the hadith just says age cut off not whole life

@admin why are so many ansar coming in, did they get tried of wup?

WUP allowed them one thread to have their claims, but all they do is bring discord. Their home is hashemstudios, not WUP.

[insha]

tigris river the one beside Baghdad?

Exactly. I don't know why Ahmed313 didn't translate the hadith as word "Tigris" instead of the other word he used.

[Love-Of-Islam]

Exactly. I don't know why Ahmed313 didn't translate the hadith as word "Tigris" instead of the other word he used.

ye, my bad i should have made myself clear i meant are they tried of debating in wup? btwa are u the same insha in wup?

I believe this Hadith is from Ahlul Bait and not from Ansar, the smart is who buys the book and see if it is actually there or Ansar brought it from their pockets.

The Yamani is not from yemen, and this has been proved by Sheikh Jalal Al-Sagheer that Yamani is from Iraq and not from Yemen,

• On the authority of Abu Abdullah Al-Hussein Bin Ali (as), [The Imam -referring to Al-Mahdi- will go into two occultations; one will last so long that some will believe he is dead, and others will say he is gone. No guardian or any other person will know of his whereabouts except for the guardian who will succeed him.
  

Ilzam An-Nasib Fi Ithbat Al-Hujjat Al-Gha'ib, vol. 1, p. 298.

The previous two narrations are clear and indicate that not even the descendants of Imam Al-Mahdi (as) will know of his whereabouts at the time of his Appearance, except for the entrusted one who will succeed him and reign after the Imam (as); he is incontestably and unquestionably the guardian, that is he is the first Mahdi.

Disobeying the Yamani and messenger from Imam Mahdi is disobeying Imam Mahdy and Allah swt. And Ahlul Bait mentioned Sayyed Ahmad Al-Hassan is many narrations that include the Will of prophet Muhammad pbuhf, now if you say it's unauthentic then bring another will if you have as this is the only one and the narrators like Al-Tosi, Allameh Al-Majlisi, Sayyed Al-Sadr, etc reported it and mentioned it as proves for the Imamate....

Also Sayyed Al-Sadr said in his speech that Mahdi a.s will appear from Iraq, watch the video in the new "Arrived" Series on YT and see the video of Sayyed Al-Sadr with the translation at the bottom....

As for Mirza Gulam, I know that Ahlul Bait will not leave us astray from the right path, so they mentioned attributes that can only be assigned to the "Possessor of the Matter = Sahib al-amr" and they are the Will of Prophet Muhammad, knowledge and the banner of Allegiance to Allah; i.e. that Allah is the one who appoints a leader and not people...

So Gulam didn't bring any of this and so according to Ahlul Bait: he is an imposter, whereas I see Imam Ahmad Al-Hassan has come with these so he is one of the possessors of the matter (Which means he is one of the Successors/Khalifah of Allah).

As for the Semerri letter, the scholars have doubt about its real meaning and authenticity because they know that Sheikh Mufeed have met Imam Mahdi and that Hadeeth says whoever sees the mahdi before the rise of sufyani is a slanderous liar, and Sheikh Mufeed isn't a liar! So they gave interpretations to it and notice that it's their interpretations and they even said "MAYBE" thus it's not even an interpretation from Masuum because the Masumeen say that there is a messneger from Imam Mahdi and he's the yamani that calls to Imam Mahdi a.s...

going to answer only 1 point because brother mafhhzb did more then an amazing job to answer other points.

Question

where is his knwoledge and how can it be proven

why is there no reply to brother abu zar email so far?

Does he even know languages? does he know history? does he know math? If i send him a some easy question can he solve it? Does he know science? does he know anything beside ffrom claiming something he is not?

also ghulam and ahmad are using similar type of tactics to gain followers

[Maula Dha Mallang]

may sayyeda fatima (sa) do a dua for you brothers, who so excellently prove the multiple lies and falsehoods of this fake messenger, may he die on the toilet.

[GreenLantern]

Question

where is his knwoledge and how can it be proven

why is there no reply to brother abu zar email so far?

Does he even know languages? does he know history? does he know math? If i send him a some easy question can he solve it? Does he know science? does he know anything beside ffrom claiming something he is not?

He has knowledge otherwise he would not say 'ask me' about the Qur'an and Torah and Bible. You can read the works on the Savior site:

http://the-savior.co...s/the-calf.html

http://the-savior.co...messengers.html

[Maula Dha Mallang]

can you ask him what "alef laam meem" means? because if he can tell us, i will believe that he is the truth, as that particular truth is with the awaited imam (atf) so he should have the answer easily.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

ok you know what, i will give him an easier question. please forward this on to him:

"why does the term "mau mau" have such a big effect on me? even after 20 years?"

if he can answer that, i believe i speak for all doubters of him that this will prove he does indeed have ilm e ghayb, as there are less than 20 people on the planet who share this memory with me. so if he knows, it can only be via divine inspiration. he cant guess either.

does this sound fair?

[AbuHope]

^

Let's be the number of witnessess that the Quran tells us to be brother.

Ask him MDM's question; plus ask him why User P. Ease on shiachat wants to own a antique wallclock. I'll vote for him too then.

Oh another, quite important, question; Why does he fail so much in basic English grammar?

[Love-Of-Islam]

He has knowledge otherwise he would not say 'ask me' about the Qur'an and Torah and Bible. You can read the works on the Savior site:

http://the-savior.co...s/the-calf.html

http://the-savior.co...messengers.html

if says ask me on what? knowledge of this world? knowledge about religion?

[AbuHope]

Make that 3 questions, just to let you know I've actually read his rants, he says literally;

From the tyrant’s side, they’re waging a relentless war against the religion. Their television displays ayahs from the holy Quran, then after that in a little while, songs, semi-naked women and a series designed to dismantle the infrastructure of the Islamic community or to lessen what is left from the structure of the Islamic community. To have a flying beard and a long moustache just like the Magi in the ancient times, this is Islam in the sight of those people. However, whoever says La Illah Illa Allah (There is no God but Allah) is killed, their women are insulted and his house gets destroyed. The major disaster is that some of them claim that they are Arabs and they do this in the name of Arabism. They attack women, violate reputations and their prisons are full of women and children. The situation is that the Arab man is noble, if he opposes, he opposes men, and doesn’t attack women. So what Arabism do those Roma remains of the Mongols and the Tatars claim? They have blackened the face of humanity. They have committed shameful crimes and scandals called the forehead of Pharaoh and Nimrod (God Curse Them) the friends of Moses and Abraham (PBUT).

Why does it sting so hard to see your ''arab honour'' being molested? Nationalism and Ahlul Bayt (as) do not go together.