Who Is Ahmad Al Hassan?

9999fine · September 13, 2011

without destroying the heresy and sophistry of the scholars, any talk about defeating the tyrants is just fantasy.

when Jesus Christ attacked the scholars can anyone say he was supporting the tyrants?

From the Speech of the Light

"Not everyone who clashes with Darkness is Light,

rather perhaps he was Darkness too. But everyone who clashes with the Light is Darkness,

therefore we must search for and know the Light and by it we shall know the Darkness"

JimJam · September 13, 2011

^The differences of opinion among the scholars are of little importance. Whats more important is the murder of our people by those who wish to preserve the global status quo. The scholars of the Jews had bowed down to the might of Rome. They had to ask the Roman rulers to silence Isa (as). The scholars whom you condemn are those who are opposed to the Rome of our times.

Edited September 13, 2011 by JimJam

Abu_zar · September 13, 2011

without destroying the heresy and sophistry of the scholars, any talk about defeating the tyrants is just fantasy.
when Jesus Christ attacked the scholars can anyone say he was supporting the tyrants?
From the Speech of the Light
"Not everyone who clashes with Darkness is Light,
rather perhaps he was Darkness too. But everyone who clashes with the Light is Darkness,
therefore we must search for and know the Light and by it we shall know the Darkness"

So are you saying that scholars are always, or at least usually wrong and condemnable.

Or you believe that scholars are usually right and only occasionally right.

In other words, unless we have conclusive proof of their being wrong, it is best to respect the scholars and follow their advice.

Even if there is some doubt (and not conclusive proof), the scholars should be respected.

If you are comparing the Jesus Christ and Mr. Ahmad al Hassan, you will immediately come across following differences:

Jesus's existence was beyond doubt, Ahmad al Hassan's is not

Jesus's mother and family and their character were there to assess and judge, Ahmad al Hassan's is not

Jesus's character was before the public, Ahmad al Hassan's is not.

Jesus was most knowledgable person of his time, Ahmad al Hassan's is not

Jesus answered the questions whenever asked, Ahmad al Hassan's does not

Jesus showed miracles (healing the sick, raising the dead etc), Ahmad al Hassan's does not

Jesus, when asked to prove this rightfulness, never asked people to see istikhara or see a dream, Ahmad al Hassan's does.

So how do you compare the two?

GreenLantern · September 13, 2011

So are you saying that scholars are always, or at least usually wrong and condemnable.
Or you believe that scholars are usually right and only occasionally right.
In other words, unless we have conclusive proof of their being wrong, it is best to respect the scholars and follow their advice.
Even if there is some doubt (and not conclusive proof), the scholars should be respected.

They aren't infallible. They are human, they make mistakes and should be held to account for them. Especially since they guide the thoughts and actions of so many shia.

^The differences of opinion among the scholars are of little importance. Whats more important is the murder of our people by those who wish to preserve the global status quo. The scholars of the Jews had bowed down to the might of Rome. They had to ask the Roman rulers to silence Isa (as). The scholars whom you condemn are those who are opposed to the Rome of our times.

Then what happened in Iraq?

Abu_zar · September 15, 2011

They aren't infallible. They are human, they make mistakes and should be held to account for them. Especially since they guide the thoughts and actions of so many shia.

You are right. I agree with this.

Then what happened in Iraq?

If you ask a shiite resident of Iraq, he will tell you that it is much better than Iraq of Saddam's era. As a zair (admittedly few years ago), I had the same feeling.

Saddam's era was a long tyrant era and those who lived through them had a very tough time with young shia men getting killed and women assaulted on daily basis, with no one to hear. There was no self-respect for shiite Iraqi. No justice at all.

Admittedly, today's Iraq does have weaknesses and scope for improvement. But there is massive improvement from Saddam's years.

insha · September 16, 2011

Here are some videos that have good arguments against Ahmed Ismail Gata aka "Ahmed Al Hassan":

Response To Hashemstudios, TADS, Zolfigarr, Part 1: Reincarnation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPz5SISkj1w

Response To Hashemstudios, TADS, Zolfigarr, Part 2: Mahdi Al Hassan Al Yamani

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FehpU4XISM

Response To Hashemstudios, TADS, Zolfigarr, Part 3: Final Guidance For The Ansars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFWIBJiidOM

Response To Hashemstudios, TADS, Zolfigarr, Part 4 A: The Arrived

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McOmrepRHSg

Response To Hashemstudios, TADS, Zolfigarr, Part 4 B: The Extended

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfw9FXyNLrg

Imam Ali (as), Bin Laden, Ahmed Hassan, Hashem, and other topics...

The brother starts talking about Ahmed Hassan @ 12:19. He makes an excellent point: why can't Ahmed Ismail speak English, if he is the Yamani? The Imams had the ability to speak many languages but he can only speak Arabic?

I believe this guy has something to say about Ahmed Hassan as well:

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And finally this article:

The Ansar al-Mahdi and the Continuing Threat of the Doomsday Cults in Iraq

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Hope this helps insha `Allah.

Salaam alaikum

Ahmad 313 · September 18, 2011

@ Insha,

These same people whose article you posted call the taliban as terrorist, and many other groups that defend muslims. That doesnt mean I support the taliban but im just saying you shouldnt be posting nonsense from kuffars whose main goals are to degrade muslims. Also how can this article be authentic I need some more proof than some idiot telling me who Ahmad(as).

Also im sure you are a sunni, you used a clip of a man who celebrates the death of umar, aisha, etc. He also curses those individuals in every single prayers of his. I hope you happy with that as well.

Another thing you do not even believe in the Imams(as), and im very sure you dont even believe our prophet(as) to have those abilities who gives you the right to talk about them when you havent even accepted them. You most likely follow the same individuals who persecuted and oppressed the Ahlul Bayt(as). So this discussion with you is pointless, unless you have actually accepted the wilayah of Ali(as) and you left the other three.

Now if you are a sunni I have a simple question for you, who selects the khalifa, Allah swt or the people?

JimJam · September 18, 2011

@ Insha,
These same people whose article you posted call the taliban as terrorist, and many other groups that defend muslims. That doesnt mean I support the taliban but im just saying you shouldnt be posting nonsense from kuffars whose main goals are to degrade muslims. Also how can this article be authentic I need some more proof than some idiot telling me who Ahmad(as).

Im a Shia from Pakistan. I know that Taliban are not protectors of Muslims. They are the no-1 killers of Muslim in the world today, both of their own Sunnis and us Shias

http://nation.com.pk...ast-rises-to-48

The victims in the report above are people of a Sunni tribe

Also this

http://tribune.com.pk/story/251406/school-bus-attack-in-peshawar-kills-four-children-police/

Edited September 18, 2011 by JimJam

insha · September 18, 2011

@ Insha,
These same people whose article you posted call the taliban as terrorist, and many other groups that defend muslims. That doesnt mean I support the taliban but im just saying you shouldnt be posting nonsense from kuffars whose main goals are to degrade muslims. Also how can this article be authentic I need some more proof than some idiot telling me who Ahmad(as).
Also im sure you are a sunni, you used a clip of a man who celebrates the death of umar, aisha, etc. He also curses those individuals in every single prayers of his. I hope you happy with that as well.
Another thing you do not even believe in the Imams(as), and im very sure you dont even believe our prophet(as) to have those abilities who gives you the right to talk about them when you havent even accepted them. You most likely follow the same individuals who persecuted and oppressed the Ahlul Bayt(as). So this discussion with you is pointless, unless you have actually accepted the wilayah of Ali(as) and you left the other three.
Now if you are a sunni I have a simple question for you, who selects the khalifa, Allah swt or the people?

Wow, what ignorance. Do you greet all people on the forum in such a way?

I actually don't know what the speaker in the video said, I was told he spoke against Ahmad Ismail. That is why I posted it.

If you believe he is the Yamani, than I am afraid you are the real idiot. Not only for that, but for assuming you know what I believe in, since you are so certain I am a Sunni. Can you fit two feet in your mouth, since you have one in it already?

Salaam

Ahmad 313 · September 19, 2011

I know very well what you are. Now I asked you a simple question, who chooses the khalifa, Allah swt or the people? Who sould have been the successor after prophet Muhammed (SAWA) ? We'll see after these responses of yours what you really are.

As I said earlier those articles are for almost every muslim group who tries to protect muslims. Or whoever goes against the higher powers will be known as terrorist groups, or they would spread lies about them. Now insha im sure you know about that and we have seen this happen in history before.

I really hope you answer my two questions. Never knew sunnis believed in taqiyyah as well.

insha · September 19, 2011

The answer to your question is that Allah (swt) does not choose Ahmed Ismail as the caliph. He may have chosen others, but it is irrelevant to the conversation at hand. Instead of trying to dig into what I believe, focus on the topic.

If you know very well what I am, then asking me is pretty redundant. Even though Allah (swt) is the only one that knows, you claim to know as well. Interesting.

Ahmad 313 · September 20, 2011

Why are you running away from the debate, I asked you a simple question..."Who should have been the successor after prophet Muhammed (SAWA) ?"

You want to debate, then answer my simple question. Do you accept the 12 imams as the rightful successors of the prophet? if not then please give me the reason for it. If you cant answer that then please stay out of this thread. I am willing to debate you, and your twisted ahle sunnah beliefs. So before we get to Ahmad(As) I need to know if you accept the 12 holy Imams pbut?

insha · September 20, 2011

It's a red herring question. My beliefs have nothing to do with Ahmed Ismail Gata.

Just to appease you, I will say that I do believe in the 12 Imams. Now that the question is answered, perhaps you want to take your feet out of your mouth? I don't care to debate with someone who has the nerve to assume what other people believe, and backbite them as well.

**Haji 2003** · September 20, 2011

This thread is about who Ahmad Al Hassan is. It is not about insha's beliefs. Posts that are off topic will be deleted.

Abu_zar · September 20, 2011

We have already seen that:

Mr. Ahmad Al Hassan’s identity remains unproven and there remains a reasonable doubt that it may be a project run by Saudi Arabia and its cronies(read post number 101).
There has been no reply despite 25 days gone when I requested him to prove his ilm-e-ladunni by speaking in a foreign language and answering my questions (read post number 78).
There is no reply to the post that his actions favour Saudi and other governments responsible for killing and raping of Shiites and demolishing of mausoleums of infallibles (he has not written a single book against them, but has written a book which favours them, i.e. against democracy). His actions also damage Shiite nation (read post number 104).

Now let us continue where we left post number 97 and probe further into his major canvassing point, i.e. dreams and istakhara.

As soon as you open his website the-savior.com, you see “letter of guidance”, where he writes:

“By God, I don’t speak of what my sacred fathers didn’t speak of, who recommended people my aid, and mentioned me in their wills. Noah, Ibrahim, Ismael, Mohammed, Ali, AlHassan, AlHussein and the Imams (Peace be upon them)”.

When he was asked:

Q12/ I have heard that you have followers from Sunna, Christians and other religions? Please mention how this happened and are there any examples?

His reply included following sentence:

Most of them saw visions in their sleep and they believed or some of them had some sort of a metaphysical proof.

Then it is also written in website:

when a woman sent him a question about the shortest way of knowing if Imam Ahmad Al-Hassan is right, He (s) said:

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the shortest way to believe in the unseen is the unseen (Ghaib), ask Allah after you fast three days and make Tawassul by the rightousness of Fatima bint Mohammed (s) to know the right from Allah by Roaya (vision seen in sleep mentioned many in quran especially Surat Yousef), or Kashif (same as Roaya but while you are awake) or by any Aya from His Al-Might's Ghaib Malakoot Ayat.

Many of his Ansars claim to have found the truth by dreams or Istikhara.

It is my belief that whereas dreams and Istikhara have their own place in religion, they are never used to prove the truthfulness of a prophet or imam. They all used reasoning, showing ilm e ladunni (divine wisdom) and miracles to prove themselves. Most important of these being reasoning.

Since Mr. Ahmad al Hassan claims “By God, I don’t speak of what my sacred fathers didn’t speak of, who recommended people my aid, and mentioned me in their wills. Noah, Ibrahim, Ismael, Mohammed, Ali, AlHassan, AlHussein and the Imams (Peace be upon them)”.

I invite him to prove in each case, that these prophets and imams have used dreams and intikhara to prove their rightful place.

If that is difficult, can Mr. Ahmad al Hassan or his Ansars prove from Quran, that Allah wants us to use dreams or istakhara to prove or disprove a prophet or imam.

Although, I have proved this point in post number 81, I accept it my duty to provide evidence from holy Quran that Almighty wants us to use reasoning to prove or disprove the truthfulness of a being or a debatable point. Following are my evidences:

Al-Baqara (The Cow) 2:44 Do you bid other people to be pious, the while you forget your own selves -and yet you recite the divine writ? Will you not, then, use your reason?

Al-Baqara (The Cow) 2:73 We said: "Apply this [principle] to some of those [cases of unresolved murder]: [57] in this way God saves lives from death and shows you His will, so that you might [learn to] use your reason."

Al-Baqara (The Cow) 2:76 For, when they meet those who have attained to faith. they say, "We believe [as you believe]" - but when they find themselves alone with one another, they say. "Do you inform them of what God has disclosed to you, so that they might use it in argument against you, quoting the words of your Sustainer? [62] Will you not. then, use your reason?"

Al-Baqara (The Cow) 2:164 Verily, in the creation of the heavens and of the earth, and the succession of night and day: and in the ships that speed through the sea with what is useful to man: and in the waters which God sends down from the sky, giving life thereby to the earth after it had, been lifeless, and causing all manner of living creatures to multiply thereon: and in the change of the winds, and the clouds that run their appointed courses between sky and earth: [in all this] there are messages indeed for people who use their reason.

Al-Baqara (The Cow) 2:170 But when they are told, "Follow what God has bestowed from on high," some answer, "Nay, we shall follow [only] that which we found our forefathers believing in and doing." Why, even if their forefathers did not use their reason at all, and were devoid of all guidance?

Al-Baqara (The Cow) 2:171 And so, the parable of those who re bent on denying the truth is that of the beast which hears the shepherd's cry, and hears in it nothing but the sound of a voice and a call. [138] Deaf are they, and dumb, and blind: for they do not use their reason.

Al-Baqara (The Cow) 2:242 In this way God makes clear unto you His messages, so that you might [learn to] use your reason. -

Al-Imran (The Family of Imran)-3:65- O FOLLOWERS of earlier revelation! Why do you argue about Abraham, [51] seeing that the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed till [long] after him? Will you not, then, use your reason?

Al-Imran (The Family of Imran) 3:118 O YOU who have attained to faith! Do not take for your bosom-friends people who are not of your kind. [87] They spare no effort to corrupt you; they would love to see you in distress. [88] Vehement hatred has already come into the open from out of their mouths, but what their hearts conceal is yet worse. We have indeed made the signs [thereof] clear unto you, if you would but use your reason.

Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread)-5:58- for, when you call to prayer, they mock at it and make a jest of it-simply because they are people who do not use their reason.

Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread)- 5:103 IT IS NOT of God's ordaining that certain kinds of cattle should be marked out by superstition and set aside from the use of man; [124] yet those who are bent on denying the truth attribute their own lying inventions to God. And most of them never use their reason:

Al-An'am (The Cattle)- 6:32- And nothing is the life of this world but a play and a passing delight; and the life in the hereafter is by far the better for all who are conscious of God. Will you not, then, use your reason?

Al-An'am [6:83] That was the reasoning about Us, which We gave to Abraham (to use) against his people: We raise whom We will, degree after degree: for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge.

Al-An'am (The Cattle)-6:151- Say: "Come, let me convey unto you what God has [really] forbidden to you: "Do not ascribe divinity, in any way, to aught beside Him; and [do not offend against but, rather,] do good unto your parents; [146] and do not kill your children for fear of poverty - [for] it is We who shall provide sustenance for you as well as for them; [147] and do not commit any shameful deeds, be they open or secret; and do not take any human being's life-[the life] which God has declared to be sacred -otherwise than in [the pursuit of] justice: this has He enjoined upon you so that you might use your reason; [148] -

Al-A'raf (The Heights)- 7:169 And they have been succeeded by [new] generations who - [in spite of] having inherited the divine writ-clutch but at the fleeting good of this lower world and say, "We shall be forgiven, [135] the while they are ready, if another such fleeting good should come their way, to clutch at it [and sin again]. Have they not been solemnly pledged through the divine writ not to attribute unto God aught but what is true, [136] and [have they not] read again and again all that is therein? Since the life in the hereafter is the better [of the two] for all who are conscious of God -will you not, then, use your reason?

Yunus (Jonah)-10:16- Say: "Had God willed it [otherwise], I would not have conveyed this [divine writ] unto you, nor would He have brought it to your knowledge. Indeed. a whole lifetime have I dwelt among you ere this [revelation came unto me]: will you not, then, use your reason ?” [24] -

Yunus (Jonah)-10:42- And there are among them such as (pretend to] listen to thee: but canst thou cause the deaf to hearken even though they will not use their reason? -

Yunus (Jonah)-10:100- notwithstanding that no human being can ever attain to faith otherwise than by God's leave, [123] and [that] it is He who lays the loathsome evil [of disbelief] upon those who will not use -their reason? [124] -

Hud (The Prophet Hud)-11:51 "O my people! No reward do I ask of you for this [message]: my reward rests with none but Him who brought me into being. Will you not, then, use your reason? -

Yusuf (Joseph) -12:2 behold, We have bestowed it from on high as a discourse in the Arabic tongue, so that you might encompass it with your reason. [3] -

Yusuf (Joseph)-12:39 "O my companions in imprisonment! Which is more reasonable: [40] [belief in the existence of numerous divine] lords, each of them different from the other" [41] -or [in] the One God, who holds absolute sway over all that exists? -

Yusuf (Joseph)-12:109- And [even] before thy time, We never sent [as Our apostles] any but [mortal] men, whom We inspired, [and whom We always chose] from among the people of the [very] communities [to whom the message was to be brought]. [105] Have, then, they [who reject this divine writ] never journeyed about the earth and beheld what happened in the end to those [deniers of the truth] who lived before them?-and [do they not know that] to those who are conscious of God the life in the hereafter is indeed better [than this world]? Will they not, then, use their reason? -

Ar-Ra'd (The Thunder)-13:4 And there are on earth [many] tracts of land close by one another [and yet widely differing from one another [8] ]; and [there are on it] vinyards, and fields of grain, and date-palms growing in clusters from one root or standing alone, [9] [all] watered with the same water: and yet, some of them have We favoured above others by way of the food [which they provide for man and beast]. [10] Verily, in all this there are messages indeed for people who use their reason! -

Al-Hijr (The Rocky Tract)- 15:32 Said He: "O Iblis! What is thy reason for not being among those who have prostrated themselves?" -

An-Nahl (The Bee)-16:67 And [We grant you nourishment] from the fruit of date-palms and vines: from it you derive intoxicants as well as wholesome sustenance -in this, behold, there is a message indeed for people who use their reason ! [76] -

Ta-Ha- 20:54 Eat, [then, of this produce of the soil,] and pasture your cattle [thereon]. In all this, behold, there are messages indeed for those who are endowed with reason:

Ta-Ha- 20:128 CAN, THEN, they [who reject the truth] learn no lesson by recalling how many a generation We have destroyed before their time? [111] - [people] in whose dwelling-places they [themselves now] walk about? In this, behold, there are messages indeed for those who are endowed with reason!

Al-Anbiya (The Prophets) 21:10 [O MEN!] We have now bestowed upon you from on high a divine writ containing all that you ought to bear in mind [13] will you not, then, use your reason? -

Al-Anbiya (The Prophets) 21:67 Fie upon you and upon all that you worship instead of God! Will you not, then, use your reason?” -

Al-Mu'minun (The Believers) 23:80 And He it is who grants life and deals death; and to Him is due the alternation of night and day. Will you not, then, use your reason?

Al-Nour (The Light) 24:21 O You who have attained to faith! Follow not Satan’s footsteps: for he who follows Satan’s footsteps [will find that], behold, he enjoins but deeds of abomination and all that runs counter to reason. [24] And were it not for God’s favour upon you and His grace, not one of you would ever have remained pure. For [thus it is:] God who causes whomever He wills to grow in purity: for God is all-hearing, all-knowing. -

Al-Nour (The Light) 24:53 Now [as for those half-hearted ones,] they do swear by God with their most solemn oaths that if thou [O Apostle] shouldst ever bid them to do so, they would most certainly go forth [and sacrifice themselves]. [69] Say: “Swear not! reasonable compliance [with God’s message is all that is required of you]. [70] Verily, God is aware of all that you do!” -

Al-Nour (The Light) 24:61 [ALL OF YOU, O believers, are brethren: hence.] [85] no blame attaches to the blind, nor does blame attach to the lame, nor does blame attach to the sick [for accepting charity from the hale], and neither to yourselves for eating [whatever is offered to you by others, whether it be food obtained] from your [children’s] houses, [86] or your fathers’ houses, or your mothers’ houses, or your brothers’ houses, or your sisters’ houses, or your paternal uncles’ houses, or your paternal aunts’ houses, or your maternal uncles’ houses, or your maternal aunts’ houses, or [houses] the keys whereof are in your charge! [87] or [the house] of any of your friends; nor will you incur any sin by eating in company or separately. But whenever you enter [any of these] houses, greet one another with a blessed, goodly greeting, as enjoined by God. In this way God makes clear unto you His messages, so that you might [learn to] use your reason.

Al-Nour (The Light) 24:62 [TRUE BELIEVERS are only they who have attained to faith in God and His Apostle, and who, whenever they are [engaged] with him upon a matter of concern to the whole community [88] do not depart [from whatever has been decided upon] unless they have sought [and obtained] his leave. [89] Verily, those who [do not abstain from the agreed upon action unless they] ask leave of thee - it is [only] they who [truly] believe in God and His Apostle! Hence, when they ask leave of thee for some [valid] reason of their own, grant thou this leave to whomsoever of them thou choose [to grant it], [90] and ask God to forgive them: for, behold, God is much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace! [91] -

Al-Furqan (The Criterion) 25:44 Or dost thou think that most of them listen [to thy message] and use their reason? Nay, they are but like cattle - nay, they are even less conscious of the right way! [37] -

Ash-Shu'ara (The Poets)26:28 [but Moses] went on: “[He of whom I speak is] the Sustainer of the east and the west and of all that is between the two”- [16] as you would know] if you would but use your reason!”

An-Naml (The Ants) 27:60 Nay - who is it that has created the heavens and the earth, and sends down for you [life-giving] water from the skies? For it is by this means that We cause gardens of shining beauty to grow - [whereas] it is not in your power to cause [even one single of] its trees to grow! Could there be any divine power besides God? Nay, they [who think so] are people who swerve [from the path of reason] -

Al-Qasas (The Narration) 28:60 And [remember:] whatever you are given [now] is but for the [passing] enjoyment of life in this world, and for its embellishment - whereas that which is with God is [so much] better and more enduring. Will you not, then, use your reason?

Al-'Ankabut (The Spider) 29:25 And [Abraham] said: “You have chosen to worship idols instead of God for no other reason than to have a bond of love [19] in the life of this world, between yourselves [and your forebears]: [20] but then, on Resurrection Day, you shall disown one another and curse one another - for the goal of you all will be the fire, and you will have none to succour you.

Al-'Ankabut (The Spider) 29:35 And [so it happened; and] thereof, indeed, We have left a clear sign for people who use their reason. [29]

Al-'Ankabut (The Spider) 29:45 CONVEY [unto others] whatever of this divine writ has been revealed unto thee, [40] and be constant in prayer: for, behold, prayer restrains [man] from loathsome deeds and from all that runs counter to reason; [41] and remembrance of God is indeed the greatest [good]. And God knows all that you do.

Al-'Ankabut (The Spider) 29:63 And thus it is: if thou ask them, “Who is it that sends down water from the skies, giving life thereby to the earth after it had been lifeless?” - they will surely answer, “God.” Say thou: “[since this is so,] all praise is due to God [alone]!” But most of them will not use their reason:

Ghafir (The Forgiver) 40:67 It is He who creates you out of dust, [48] and then out of a drop of sperm, and then out of a germ-cell; and then He brings you forth as children; and then [He ordains] that you reach maturity, and then, that you grow old - though some of you [He causes to] die earlier -: and [all this He ordains] so that you might reach a term set [by Him], [49] and that you might [learn to] use your reason.

Az-Zukhruf (The Gold Adornments) 43:3 behold, We have caused it to be a discourse in the Arabic tongue, so that you might encompass it with your reason. [3]

Al-Jathiya (The Kneeling) 45:5 And in the succession of night and day, and in the means of subsistence [4] which God sends down from the skies, giving life thereby to the earth after it had been lifeless, and in the change of the winds: [in all this] there are messages for people who use their reason.

Al-Hujurat (The Dwellings) 49:4 Verily, [O Prophet,] as for those who call thee from without thy private apartments - most of them do not use their reason: [4]

Al-Hadid (Iron) 57:17 [but] know that God gives life to the earth after it has been lifeless! [25] We have indeed made Our messages clear unto you, so that you might use your reason.

Al-Mujadilah (The Disputation) 58:2 As for those of you who [henceforth] separate themselves from their wives by saying, “Thou art as unlawful to me as my mother”, [3] [let them bear in mind that] they can never be [as] their mothers: none are their mothers save those who gave them birth: and so, behold, they but utter a saying that runs counter to reason, [4] and is [therefore] false.

Al-Hashr (The Gathering) 59:14 …Severe is their warlike discord among themselves: thou wouldst think that they are united, whereas [in fact] their hearts are at odds [with one another]: this, because they are people who will not use their reason. [20]

Al-Mulk (Dominion) 67:10 And they will add: "Had we but listened [to those warnings], or [at least] used our own reason, we would not [now] be among those who are destined for the blazing flame!" [8]

Al-Qalam (The Pen) 68:6 which of you was bereft of reason.

Al-Fajr (The Dawn) 89:5 Considering all this - could there be, to anyone endowed with reason, a [more] solemn evidence of the truth? [4] -

Now I request Mr. Ahmad al Hassan and his Ansars to prove from Quran that Allah wants us to prove or disprove a prophet, imam or an important point of debate by dream or istakhara. Failing this, they should accept that Mr. Ahmad al Hassan’s claim that

“By God, I don’t speak of what my sacred fathers didn’t speak of, who recommended people my aid, and mentioned me in their wills. Noah, Ibrahim, Ismael, Mohammed, Ali, AlHassan, AlHussein and the Imams (Peace be upon them)”

is far from truth.

Wassalam

Abu_zar

Edited September 20, 2011 by Abu_zar

Ahmad 313 · September 21, 2011

@ Insha show me from one book of Ahmad Al Hassan where he talks about reincarnation and says thats his belief, if you do that ill believe your truthful. While your at it show me the khilafat of Abu Bakr in the Quran please? been waiting for a while.

@ Abu zar,

Tell me the mahdi that your waiting for are you going to spot him by the different languages that he speaks?

You are saying that he has not written a single book against the saudis, Im sure he has written books against there deviant beliefs. I believe its called the monotheism of the wahabis( since insha is a hardcore wahabi he can go look at this as well, overall thats his biggest grudge against the imam that book probably).

Abu Zar, since you favor democracy, elections whatever you call it. Can you please show me from the Quran any leader being selected by the people?

Abu_zar · September 21, 2011

@ Insha show me from one book of Ahmad Al Hassan where he talks about reincarnation and says thats his belief, if you do that ill believe your truthful. While your at it show me the khilafat of Abu Bakr in the Quran please? been waiting for a while.
@ Abu zar,
Tell me the mahdi that your waiting for are you going to spot him by the different languages that he speaks?
You are saying that he has not written a single book against the saudis, Im sure he has written books against there deviant beliefs. I believe its called the monotheism of the wahabis( since insha is a hardcore wahabi he can go look at this as well, overall thats his biggest grudge against the imam that book probably).
Abu Zar, since you favor democracy, elections whatever you call it. Can you please show me from the Quran any leader being selected by the people?

My dear Ahmed,

Assalam O Alaikum and welcome back.

I hope you are well.

Here is why I favour democracy at the time of occultation of my great 12th Imam a.s. (ajjal al laho farajohum)

Because it is the best system practiced in last 1375 years.
Because it is the system that favours freedom and free will more than any other system (with the exception of system that imam will bring).
Because it has the mechanism of self-correctness (voters can change a person/party if it does not function properly. People/party elected has to perform to stay in the system etc.).
Because it was favoured and practiced by the greatest revolutionary leader of 20th century, Ayatollah Khomeini.
Because Quran favours human free will, the freedom to choose and is against compulsion

La ikraha fid-deen.
Sura e kaaferoon (choose your action).
Wama alaina illul balagh (even prophet will only pass the message. People are free to choose their action).
Even iblees was allowed to decide for himself. Had Allah not allowed Iblees to do what he wanted, could Iblees avoid prostration before Adam?

And yes. When someone will claim to be 12th imam a.s. I will use all the reasoning that Almighty has given me before accepting him. However, once I accept him, it will be total obedience (ata'at). You know well that already about 30 people have claimed to be 12th imam. You know as well as I do that none of them was true one. If one does not have his reasoning in place, he has at least 30:1 chance of getting it wrong.

OK. Now your turn to answer.

1. Why we do not know Mr. Ahmad al Hassan's complete identity. His mother's name, his geniology from mother's side, his brothers & sisters, his present and past neighbours, his schooling, his school grades, his teachers, his college, where did he graduate from, what were his grades in engineering examination, his photos etc.

2. He calls vilayat e faqih, taqleed of fallible and democracy haram. Then how can imam Khomeini be among the only 3 of scholars he has chosen to praise among 1000s of scholars in last 400 years. Imam Khomeini started vilayat e faqih and democracy in Iran and was marja e taqleed for 100s of million of people (responsible for haram acts of half the shia nation).

3. Mr. Ahmad al Hassan has condemned democracy. Which system does he propose/support in occultion of imam e zamana?

4. How many books has Mr. Ahmad al Hassan written against Saudi barbaric acts (demolition of mausoleum, killing of shiites)? I would love to listen to his speeches and read his books against Saudi barbaric acts.

5. How many books has Mr. Ahmad al Hassan written against Israel?

6. How many books has Mr. Ahmad al Hassan written against Saddam?

7. Why does he not answer the questions asked? If he proves his ilm e ladunni, I will not only believe him but work for him tirelessly.

8. Which imam or Prophet's act he follows when he asks to find his truthfulness or otherwise by seeing dreams or doing istikhara?

9. When he blames other scholars of running away from munazra, why does he not grant me an opportunity to ask him questions so that he can prove me and millions of others his truthfulness. I am prepared to sponsor such a meeting under live TV in Hyde Park, London, since I genuinely want to clarify the whole situation.

OK. Need to sleep now. May Allah help us to follow the truth. This world is full of conspiracies around us.

Khuda hafiz.

Abuzar

Abu_zar · September 21, 2011

Oops Sorry. One more thing. 6th reason why I like democracy/election is because if truly applied in their countries, it will mean an end of four greatest enemies of shiite and justice seeking sunni muslims. Kings of Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE and Kuwait will have to pass the power to the people liked and elected by these nations. Pardon me. But I think this is precisely the reason why Mr. Ahmad al Hassan hates democracy so much.

Ahmad 313 · September 21, 2011

Walaykum Salam wr wb, inshAllah your doing fine.

Thats a big chunk of info which you have provided. The problem that I have with it is the fact that there is not a single narrations that you have provided to back it up. Any system which is man made will indeed lead to a failure. I will like to ask you a simple question, is there any country which is using democracy in its most rightful form at the moment?

You are definitely right about there being many fake mahdis out there. It is a sign of the mahdi him self that there will be many fakes around before the actual one. The thing we need to understand is the fact that Ahmad Al Hassan (as) has come with the biggest proofs out there which are narrations from the Ahlul Bayt(as), these narrations will be available for you if you would like to look. No one is stoping you from using logic, the thing is that for an individual who uses his mind and is truthful to him self will definitely see the relations of Ahmad(as) and the narrations which he has provided to prove him self.

now to answer you:

1. I dont know, with all honesty I cannot provide you with any of that my self because I dont have that information. I will try to get you more information on the schooling. There are many individuals in the hawzas of Iraq which know him and are witness to his character, yet they did not become ansars. On this topic ill try to get some information my self.

2. Firstly yes the Imam (as) is merciful to Khomeini(R.A). The only thing is that Khomeini is still a person who is fallible, meaning he can make errors. Taqleed is not backed up any where in the Quran or Hadith, so whats the point in following an innovation like that. There are actually some narrations which go against it. For example,

Imam Al-Saadiq a.s says:"Becareful of Taqleed(copying scholars)

for whoever copies someone in his religion has perished for Allah

says in the Quran"They took their Rabbis and monks as Lords

without Allah"By Allah they haven't prayed for them neither did

they fast for them, but they made halal what is haram and made

haram for what is halal, so they copied them in this manner,

and so they worshipped them without even realizing.

Sheikh Al-Kulayni Kafi v.1 p.53

"His enemies are the scholars of Taqleed, they will be under his

rulership in fear from his sword and his power,and for a want

from what he has" Yome Al-Khalas p.279 Besharat Al Islam p.297

the first narration tells us that taqleed is not permissible yet people still do it. What kind of system is this in which you copy people, doesnt make sense to me. The second narration just depicts that it will be those who give fatwas that will fight the mahdi. There are tons of narrations which depict that the scholars are the ones who will be fighting the mahdi and inshAllah ill post them for you if you would like. Anyways the topic was taqleed, and as I said its an innovation based on zero proof from Quran or Hadiths.

3. I have not seen an answer for that from the Imam (as), but I will get it for you as soon as possible. I dont want to involve my opinion with the Imams or else there will be people like insha putting lies on the Imam(as). InshAllah just give me a day or two ill get the answer for that.

4. I have just seen one book which is the monotheism of the wahabis which shatters there aqeeda and beliefs. Im very sure the Imam condemns the acts of the saudis. Soon time they will get what they deserve. But inshAllah ill try to find out some statement or speeches which the Imam has against the saudis. There time is coming very soon inshAllah.

5. I have to check same as above. Ill need time.

6. Ahmad Al Hassan(as) was the only one to give a fatwa on saddam when he wrote the Quran with blood. Ahmad Al Hassan(as) had asked many of the scholars in Iraq to do something, yet they stayed silent. Imam(as) had risked his life, and saddam and his people were after him. We can see from here that the Imam did more then just writing a book rather he put himself in danger.

7. I cant give you the reasoning behind that. If you write it in Arabic I heard that you get a response a little faster. InshAllah you will get your response.

8. Brother there are countless narrations from the Quran, Prophet, Ahlul Bayt which talk about istakhara and its importance on matters which are important.

9. Honestly thats another question which I cannot answer. The other scholars should be accepting if they are so true, do you follow any of those scholars which are mentioned if you do then you should ask them why are they not accepting this, and get this matter over with once and for all. If you do want to debate this issue the ansars have a pal talk room, its called II The Savior II in which you can debate them and after put it on youtube showing how you have beat them, thats only if you could. Overall you can request the Imam(As) for something like that, I have no authority. Im just a mere servant for the cause of Aale Muhammed.

InshAllah ill get you your answer for the thing which I was unable to, just give me sometime, recently started university so things are a little hectic. Forgive me for anything wrong I have said.

Fi Aman Allah

Edited September 21, 2011 by Ahmad 313

insha · September 21, 2011

"... And be careful of the Dajjals from the children of Fatima. Indeed there are some from the children of Fatima who are Dajjals. One Dajjal will come from the river of Basra, and he is not from me, and he is the first of all the Dajjals."

(Ref: Malahim wal fitan by Ibn Tawoos, P. 249 (chapter 37, hadith no. 362)

Maula Dha Mallang · September 21, 2011

death to ahmed al hassan, may he die on the toilet, unless Allah has already dragged him to hell (alhamdulillah)

may his followers be guided to the right path, ameen

Abu_zar · September 21, 2011

Walaykum Salam wr wb, inshAllah your doing fine.

Excuse my ignorance. What is wr wb?

I do not want to pretend that I know than anyone. However, there are certain conclusions that I have reached and will just write them. You and others may agree or disagree.

Your writing has given me an impression that you indeed love the ahle bait and that you want to reach the truth. So do I. Now the question is, where do we differ?

Please excuse me if you find it rude. But still give it some deep thinking. It is my impression that people accept Mr. Ahmad al Hassan on the basis of dream and/or istakhara (their own or someone they are very close to). Then they fall in love with him.

Now one thing love or hate does is that it takes away the rationality. A loving person subconsciously does not want to see/hear/accept anything wrong in his/her beloved and always looks for arguments for his/her beloved. And believe me. When one’s heart tilts to one side, he can always find an argument for that side, and seriously believe that he is right and rest of the world is wrong. This is probably why Quran criticizes arguing but favours being reasonable.

The question is, can you rise above your feelings for Mr. Ahmad al Hassan and seriously scrutinize all the facts? There is no harm in trying. If he is right, you will still reach the same conclusion. If he is wrong, you will find the truthfulness.

Thats a big chunk of info which you have provided. The problem that I have with it is the fact that there is not a single narrations that you have provided to back it up. Any system which is man made will indeed lead to a failure. I will like to ask you a simple question, is there any country which is using democracy in its most rightful form at the moment?

OK.

This is a salafi attitude. Unless you can bring narration, you are wrong.

Two questions arise.

1. Is this an obviously right attitude?

I do not have any Quranic or hadith narration for following. If you have, please provide:

S=VT

Vf=Vi+at

Vf=ViT+1/2at²

E=mC²

So is it not obvious that something that our reasoning justifies can be true even if we have not found such narration for it. After all, man was ashraful makhlooqat before any divine script was sent down. This is accepted by entire human race except the salafis.

2. Is this attitude supported by Quran or ahl e bait?

In other words, does Quran and ahl e bait ask us to reject any statement unless we can find a quotation from Quran or Hadith directly supporting it?

Let us see what Quran says. (There are more than 50 ayat supporting it but I am quoting only one. For other ayats, please read my post above).

Al-Imran (The Family of Imran) 3:118 We have indeed made the signs [thereof] clear unto you, if you would but use your reason.

Here we see that Allah wants us to use the grey cells of our brain to interpret the signs even if a narration is not immediately obvious.

As far as ahle bait are concerned, our first imam Hazrat Ali a.s has said

“Do not see who is talking, but consider what is he talking”.

In other words, matter or substance of a statement is far more important than mere quotation.

This is very understandable. Even Quran (and ahadiths) have made statement on some isolated incidence, and that ayat or hadith cannot be used on every occasion. Quran calls such ayats “mutashabehat” and warns against blindly following them. Hence I have written somewhere that crooked people look for ayats and ahadiths which strengthen their stand instead of looking for a consistent policy given by Quran and ahadiths.

Moreover, I have given examples from quran which point towards favouring a system that gives maximum freedom to human being.

You are definitely right about there being many fake mahdis out there. It is a sign of the mahdi him self that there will be many fakes around before the actual one. The thing we need to understand is the fact that Ahmad Al Hassan has come with the biggest proofs out there which are narrations from the Ahlul Bayt(as), these narrations will be available for you if you would like to look. No one is stoping you from using logic, the thing is that for an individual who uses his mind and is truthful to him self will definitely see the relations of Ahmad(as) and the narrations which he has provided to prove him self.

And what are those proofs and narrations from the Ahlul Bayt(as)?

Why do we not start from Hazrat Adam and go till our 12^th Imam (ajf) to see how they proved their truthfulness?

One thing we see consistently is that these messengers have always had a history and no one doubted the family that they had come from. In other words, they had a history. Exception is Hazrat Adam a.s. But everyone present (I.e. Hazrat Eve:-D) knew his background. No prophet or imam had his ancestors doubted except Hazrat Maryam, but here also the doubt shed was complemented with the praise and acknowledgement for three members of her immediate family:

Maryam (Mary) 19:28 O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man, nor was thy mother a loose woman!"

We know the parents and family of all imams beyond any doubt. Moreover the prophets and imams spent long years within their people so they can judge their character. In sura e Younus, holy Prophet (saww) takes pride of this fact and uses this spending of time as an argument:

Yunus (Jonah)-10:16- Indeed. a whole lifetime have I dwelt among you ere this [revelation came unto me]: will you not, then, use your reason ?” [24] -

Whereas in Mr. Ahmad al Hassan’s case, we are not sure of his identity. Most people do not accept his claim of pedigree and even say that he is actually Sheikh (admittedly this may not be true). Nobody knows his mother. Nobody knows his brother or sister or wife or children. Even his own existence is doubted.

So as far as family and show of character is concerned, every infallible is different, actually opposite to Mr. Ahmad al Hassan.

As I have shown before, no infallible has claimed to prove his existence with dream or istakhara. So here also Mr. Ahmad al Hassan contradicts the pattern set by all infallible.

Firstly yes the Imam is merciful to Khomeini(R.A). The only thing is that Khomeini is still a person who is fallible, meaning he can make errors.

In last several hundred years, Mr. Ahmad al Hassan found only three scholars to praise and they also practiced haram things all their lives. Ayatollah Khomeini actually started Vilayat e Faqih and democracy in Iran, and made tens of millions of people to do his taqleed. So he was pioneer in three haram acts and responsible for almost entire shia nation practicing haram. Yet he deserved to be praised? Ironic. Don’t you think so?

Taqleed is not backed up any where in the Quran or Hadith, so whats the point in following an innovation like that. There are actually some narrations which go against it. For example,
Imam Al-Saadiq a.s says:"Becareful of Taqleed(copying scholars)
for whoever copies someone in his religion has perished for Allah
says in the Quran"They took their Rabbis and monks as Lords
without Allah"By Allah they haven't prayed for them neither did
they fast for them, but they made halal what is haram and made
haram for what is halal, so they copied them in this manner,
and so they worshipped them without even realizing.
Sheikh Al-Kulayni Kafi v.1 p.53
"His enemies are the scholars of Taqleed, they will be under his
rulership in fear from his sword and his power,and for a want
from what he has" Yome Al-Khalas p.279 Besharat Al Islam p.297
the first narration tells us that taqleed is not permissible yet people still do it. What kind of system is this in which you copy people, doesnt make sense to me. The second narration just depicts that it will be those who give fatwas that will fight the mahdi. There are tons of narrations which depict that the scholars are the ones who will be fighting the mahdi and inshAllah ill post them for you if you would like. Anyways the topic was taqleed, and as I said its an innovation based on zero proof from Quran or Hadiths.

Dear brother. Please think of following:

There is no taqleed on usool e deen. This is what is haram.
Taqleed is on furoo e deen only.
Those who can gain enough knowledge to be able to find solution of religious problems, or those who can practice “ehtiyat”, do not do taqleed.
Every mujtahid e jameush sharayat is fallible and no one copies or worship him. He can make mistake like any doctor can. Obviously, there is no taqleed when imam is present who cannot make mistake.
Please tell me what should rest of the shias (which makes the vast majority) do at the time of occultation? Please come out with a practical solution.
What do you do when a family member falls ill, or there is a court case, or you need a building erected? Do you try DIY (do it yourself) or go to an expert? Do not tell me you have never been to a doctor. If it is all right for you to go to an expert, why is it wrong for me? Come on my brother. See the logic.

I have just seen one book which is the monotheism of the wahabis which shatters there aqeeda and beliefs. Im very sure the Imam condemns the acts of the saudis. Soon time they will get what they deserve. But inshAllah ill try to find out some statement or speeches which the Imam has against the saudis. There time is coming very soon inshAllah.

Brother. Try to see the pattern instead of isolated example(s).

Ahmad Al Hassan(as) was the only one to give a fatwa on saddam when he wrote the Quran with blood. Ahmad Al Hassan(as) had asked many of the scholars in Iraq to do something, yet they stayed silent. Imam(as) had risked his life, and saddam and his people were after him. We can see from here that the Imam did more then just writing a book rather he put himself in danger.

I never heard of Mr. Ahmad al Hassan at the time of Saddam (Allah’s curse on Saddam). Nor did anyone I asked did. When did you first heard of him. Please ask your close, honest associates too.

Brother there are countless narrations from the Quran, Prophet, Ahlul Bayt which talk about istakhara and its importance on matters which are important.

But is there a narration or example from infallibles to identify their position based on istakhara? In my knowledge none till Mr. Ahmad al Hassan.

Honestly thats another question which I cannot answer. The other scholars should be accepting if they are so true, do you follow any of those scholars which are mentioned if you do then you should ask them why are they not accepting this, and get this matter over with once and for all. If you do want to debate this issue the ansars have a pal talk room, its called II The Savior II in which you can debate them and after put it on youtube showing how you have beat them, thats only if you could. Overall you can request the Imam(As) for something like that, I have no authority. Im just a mere servant for the cause of Aale Muhammed.

So am I brother. A very humble servant of my and your imam e zamana. The truest and real infallible and the only imam of our time. May he come soon and be happy with both of us. Ameen.

Abu_zar · September 21, 2011

On the very front of www.the-savior.com we find the following:

And about Abu Baseer said: (("I told Al Sadiq, Ja'far Bin Mohammad (A.S), “O son of the Prophet, I once heard your father (A.S) saying that after the Qa'em there shall be twelve Imams”, and then he corrected, “He actually said twelve Mahdis and not twelve Imams. They are from our followers (Shiite), who shall call upon people to support us and identify our right.”)) Kamal Al Din (Perfectionism of Religion) chapter 2, page 358.

If we look at the mood of this hadeeth, we immediately realize that imam a.s is playing down the importance of Mehdis. He says that “they are from our followers (Shiite), who shall call upon people to support us and identify our right.”

Six points are very clear from this hadeeth:

Mehdis are from imam's followers, i.e. (Shiite), and not from Imam. Now count from Hazrat Salman Farsi to yourself. Mehdis will be from them. But do not count imams. Mehdis will not be from them.
- If you think that Shiites are infallible, Mehdis will be infallible.
- If you think Shiites are fallible, Mehdis will be fallible.
- If you think that not having eeman and bay’at on Shiite is a great sin, then not having eeman and bay’at on Mehdis is also a great sin.
- If you think not having eeman and bay’at on a Shiite is not a great sin, then not having eeman and bay’at on Mehdis is also not a great sin.

[*]Mehdis shall call upon people to support imam and identify their right. Full stop. Mehdis will be among the Shiites whose functions is supporting and identifying rights of imam. That is it.

[*]Imam specifically said that his father, also an imam “actually said twelve Mahdis and not twelve Imams”. This means Imam is asking very specifically not to call and address Mehdis as Imam.

[*]Out of respect and obedience to Imam Muhammad Baqar a.s and Imam Jafar Sadiq a.s., we should not call anyone we think as one of twelve Mehdis as “Imam”.

[*]Again out of respect and obedience to Imam Muhammad Baqar a.s and Imam Jafar Sadiq a.s., we should not consider anyone we think as one of twelve Mehdis as infallible like our Imams, but should consider them as fallible like imam’s followers (Shiite).

[*]May Allah protect us from considering any of the 12 Mehdis coming after 12 imams as Imam or infallible and thereby defying the clear directions of Imam Muhammad Baqar a.s and Imam Jafar Sadiq a.s.

Ameen

Abuzar

ummekulsoom · September 21, 2011

AssalamoAlaikoom,

Brother Abuzar. Any neutral person will testify that you have proved beyond doubt that Ahmedal Hasan is indeed not the rightful Yamani or Mehdi but merely a ploy by oil rich kings to harm the shiites of 12th Imam (a.s). It is continuation of Banu Umayya's and Banu Abbas's conspiracies.

Brother Ahmed 313, 9999fine and sister GreenLantern, May Almighty grant you wisdom and courage to see the truth and avoid the wrath of one and only imam e Qaim ajf of our time. I really think you may be hurting our imam's feeling. Ahmed 313 as you claim to be the humble servant of imam ajf, you should take the lead. Coming back to mainstream shiite-ism will be your great victory and will show your courage and wisdom.

Love-Of-Islam · September 22, 2011

salaam

sorry to come in but i find this upsurd

6. Ahmad Al Hassan(as) was the only one to give a fatwa on saddam when he wrote the Quran with blood. Ahmad Al Hassan(as) had asked many of the scholars in Iraq to do something, yet they stayed silent. Imam(as) had risked his life, and saddam and his people were after him. We can see from here that the Imam did more then just writing a book rather he put himself in danger.

1. i would like to see this fatwa

2. during those times it was more important to stay silent then go yelling around

A question for u, ahmad al hassan claims that there was a fatwa against him from sistani (ha) i want to see it.

Ahmad 313 · September 22, 2011

death to ahmed al hassan, may he die on the toilet, unless Allah has already dragged him to hell (alhamdulillah)
may his followers be guided to the right path, ameen

Well you need some serious help. May Allah guide you. You think youll bring people to your so called truth by swearing and cursing in the worst ways, I ll tell you one thing it is not attracting at all, and makes people actually run away from your cause/belief, so yeah your not attracting anyone. I recommend that you read the Quran once again and some specific hadiths by Ahlul Bayt on manners, something which you seem to be lacking. Again Ive seen those weird malangs like you in the streets of Pakistan so I would expect this nonsense from you.

Ahmad 313 · September 22, 2011

Its fine,wr wb = wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

Your writing has given me an impression that you indeed love the ahle bait and that you want to reach the truth. So do I. Now the question is, where do we differ?

We differ on the issue of the Yamani (as) and who he really is. Also on specific issues such as taqleed following scholars. Also the belief in 12 Mahdis as mentioned in the will of the prophet Muhammedصلى الله عليه وآله. I believe those are the major differences which I can see at the moment.

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Please excuse me if you find it rude. But still give it some deep thinking. It is my impression that people accept Mr. Ahmad al Hassan on the basis of dream and/or istakhara (their own or someone they are very close to). Then they fall in love with him. 
Now one thing love or hate does is that it takes away the rationality. A loving person subconsciously does not want to see/hear/accept anything wrong in his/her beloved and always looks for arguments for his/her beloved. And believe me. When one’s heart tilts to one side, he can always find an argument for that side, and seriously believe that he is right and rest of the world is wrong. This is probably why Quran criticizes arguing but favours being reasonable. 
The question is, can you rise above your feelings for Mr. Ahmad al Hassan and seriously scrutinize all the facts? There is no harm in trying. If he is right, you will still reach the same conclusion. If he is wrong, you will find the truthfulness.

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I totally agree with you on this matter. It is indeed very important for us to be using reason, as the verses you have posted earlier put a great emphasis on it. Ahmad (as) has told us to do the same by not following anything blindly. To be honest, I dont find anything else to be legitimate, specifically the belief of taqleed(imitation of fallible individuals). Also using logic and seeing that the whole world will be against the 12th imam(as) it doesnt make sense for any scholars to be leading us to him because many of them have millions of followers, which then would contradict hadiths. There is no narration by the Ahlul Bayt talking about any of the scholars leading us to the 12 imam (as) either, so that is the point in following them? I am willing to look at anything that you present to me about Imam Ahmad (as) openly.

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<div>OK. 
This is a salafi attitude. Unless you can bring narration, you are wrong. 
 
Two questions arise. 
1. Is this an obviously right attitude? 
I do not have any Quranic or hadith narration for following. If you have, please provide: 
S=VT 
Vf=Vi+at 
Vf=ViT+1/2at2 
E=mC2 
 
So is it not obvious that something that our reasoning justifies can be true even if we have not found such narration for it. After all, man was ashraful makhlooqat before any divine script was sent down. This is accepted by entire human race except the salafis. 
 
2. Is this attitude supported by Quran or ahl e bait? 
In other words, does Quran and ahl e bait ask us to reject any statement unless we can find a quotation from Quran or Hadith directly supporting it? 
 
Let us see what Quran says. (There are more than 50 ayat supporting it but I am quoting only one. For other ayats, please read my post above). 
Al-Imran (The Family of Imran) 3:118 We have indeed made the signs [thereof] clear unto you, if you would but use your reason. 
Here we see that Allah wants us to use the grey cells of our brain to interpret the signs even if a narration is not immediately obvious. 
 
As far as ahle bait are concerned, our first imam Hazrat Ali a.s has said 
“Do not see who is talking, but consider what is he talking”. 
In other words, matter or substance of a statement is far more important than mere quotation. 
 
This is very understandable. Even Quran (and ahadiths) have made statement on some isolated incidence, and that ayat or hadith cannot be used on every occasion. Quran calls such ayats “mutashabehat” and warns against blindly following them. Hence I have written somewhere that crooked people look for ayats and ahadiths which strengthen their stand instead of looking for a consistent policy given by Quran and ahadiths. 
 
Moreover, I have given examples from quran which point towards favouring a system that gives maximum freedom to human being.</div>
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Yes I understand what you are saying and there is not much which is wrong with it. But if we do follow the Quran, there is definitely mention of proof when we are talking about specific things in this case you brought up democracy, I simply said it does not have any mention of it in the Quran or Hadiths of Ahlul Bayt. Allah swt has mentioned in the has also put an emphasis on proofs, for example :

2:185 It was the month of Ramadan in which the Qur'an was [first] bestowed from on high as a guidance unto man and a self-evident proof of that guidance,

4:144 O you who have attained to faith! Do not take the deniers of the truth for your allies in preference to the believers! Do you want to place before God a manifest proof

4:153 .....and vouchsafed unto Moses a clear proof[of the truth]

52:38 Or have they a ladder, by which they can (climb up to heaven and) listen (to its secrets)? Then let (such a) listener of theirs produce a manifest proof

the most important of all Surah 2 vrse 111 Say, "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful.

As we can see Allah swt has sent us down a religion full of proofs, also in order to bring more people to islam we show them proofs from the Quran. Indeed bringing evidence for anything we relate with Islam is defnitely important. If you believe democracy is something which is important and is a system which should have been used then there must be some mention of it in the Quran atleast. If there is not a mention of it in the Quran or hadiths then that would clearly mean its an innovation, just like how the sunnis have many different innovations such as tarawih. Democracy would be the same reason for that is simple there is no proof of it in Quran or Hadith. If the Ahlul Bayt has not mentioned anything about any sort of democratic system then what importance does it do for us? Remember all we need is Quran and Ahlul Bayt those are what is best for us and nothing else. So no narration would mean there is no proof of this system.

And what are those proofs and narrations from the Ahlul Bayt(as)? 
 
Why do we not start from Hazrat Adam and go till our 12th Imam (ajf) to see how they proved their truthfulness? 
 
One thing we see consistently is that these messengers have always had a history and no one doubted the family that they had come from. In other words, they had a history. Exception is Hazrat Adam a.s. But everyone present (I.e. Hazrat Eve:-D) knew his background. No prophet or imam had his ancestors doubted except Hazrat Maryam, but here also the doubt shed was complemented with the praise and acknowledgement for three members of her immediate family: 
Maryam (Mary) 19:28 O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man, nor was thy mother a loose woman!" 
We know the parents and family of all imams beyond any doubt. Moreover the prophets and imams spent long years within their people so they can judge their character. In sura e Younus, holy Prophet (saww) takes pride of this fact and uses this spending of time as an argument: 
 
Yunus (Jonah)-10:16- Indeed. a whole lifetime have I dwelt among you ere this [revelation came unto me]: will you not, then, use your reason ?” [24] - 
Whereas in Mr. Ahmad al Hassan’s case, we are not sure of his identity. Most people do not accept his claim of pedigree and even say that he is actually Sheikh (admittedly this may not be true). Nobody knows his mother. Nobody knows his brother or sister or wife or children. Even his own existence is doubted. 
 
So as far as family and show of character is concerned, every infallible is different, actually opposite to Mr. Ahmad al Hassan. 
 
As I have shown before, no infallible has claimed to prove his existence with dream or istakhara. So here also Mr. Ahmad al Hassan contradicts the pattern set by all infallible.

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I believe we are having a little misunderstanding. The only way to discover Imam Ahmad (as) is not istikharrah, the people are just asked to do istakharrah if they wish to do so, it is not a mandatory act. We have been told to look at the narrations of the Ahlul Bayt, and to see how they correlate with Imam Ahmad(as) which they so clearly do. Now many of the people in Basra Iraq have accepted the family tree of Imam Ahmad (as), and they have said it is legitimate with there thumb prints, which is available upon request. So as I said istikharrah is not the main proofs which Imam Ahmad(as) has come with, he has come with the narrations of Ahlul Bayt, the call for supremacy of God, and the Will of the holy Prophet Muhammed (sawa) which no one else in history has come with. If you want to do istekharrah then there is no harm in that.

Here are some narrations:

Imam Ali a.s said when he was talking about the companions of the 12th Imam:"The first of them is from Basra and the last of them is from Ibdaal(Syria) Besharat Al-Islam p.148

Imam Jaafer a.s said when discussing the companions of Mahdi a.s "And from Basra is Abdulrahman,--Ahmad-- and Maleeh." Beshara Al-Islam p.181

Imam Jaafer a.s says:(companion of the matter finds a place in Basra) Haft Al Shareef p.175

Imam Ali a.s“And when Ahmad accepts and Muhammad is entrusted” p.6 Signs of the End Times from Ali ibn Abi Taleb a.s by Ali Ashoor

Prince of the believers a.s said about the signs of the end of time:"And then after it the arabs shall emerge...and the emergence of the man with the black flag in Basra,intending to head-on with his youths to Sham p.274 Alamat Akher Al Zaman by Sayed Ali Ashoor

Prophet of Allah pbuhap said:"And a man from the East with small black flags to kill the man of Sham,and he is the one that obeys the Mahdi a.s" AlMahdi Al Mawood AlMuntather door 30 p.328

Imam Ali a.s:"And then the daring Halek(who doesn't fear destruction) comes from Basra with a few arabs from Bani Umra"p.274 Alamat Akher Al Zaman Sayed Ali Ashoor

"And against the Sufyani from the people of the East,a successor of Al-Mahdi,and he shall defeat the Sufyani in Sham(syria)" Sharh Ahqaq AlHaq section 29 p.620

Prophet of Allah pbuhap said:"And then he mentioned a man and then he said, if you see him pledge allegiance to him for he is the Caliphate of the Mahdi"p.30 Besharat Al Islam"

"And then in Heera a mosque shall be built for him,500 doors,the caliphate of the Qa'em(riser)shall pray in it,because the mosque of Kufa will be constricted" Bihar AlAnwar v.52 p.474

Tahtheeb AlAhkaam v.3 p.245

Who other can it be than Ahmad Al Hassan who is from Basra Iraq! He is calling us to Allah swt.

lastly the will of the prophet Muhammed (sawa):

The Prophet's will is as follows:

The Prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him and his family) said to Ali Ibn Abi Taleb during the night of his death:

"O Father of Al Hassan, bring me a leaf and a paper", and he dictated his will until he came to a position where he said "O Ali, there will be twelve Imams and after them there will be twelve Mahdi's. You, O Ali, are the first of the twelve Imams, God has named you in his heavens Ali Al Mortada,The Prince of the believers, Grand truthful, the bright Farouq (Judge and differentiating between true and false), the trusted, and the Mahdi (rightly guided). These names may not be truly attributed to other than you. O Ali, you are my guardian on my own family, their living and their dead. My women, whom you maintain shall find me tomorrow, and whom you reject I am acquitted of her. I will not see her and she will not see me on the day of resurrection, and you are the successor (Khalifa) on my nation after me. If the day of death comes to you, hand it over to my son Hassan the very beneficial. Then if the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to my son Al Hussein, the Martyr, the Pure and the Assassinated. If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, the master of the servants and worshipers Ali.If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Mohamed Al Baqir.If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Jaâfar Al Sadiq (the honest).If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Moussa Al Kadhim (The Patient).If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Ali Al Reda.If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Mohamed Al Thiqa (The Trustworthy).If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Ali Al Nasih (The Advisor). If the day death of comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Al Hassan Al Fadil. If the day of death comes to him, let him hand it over to his son, Mohammed the Mandate of the Holy Family of Mohamad Peace be upon them all. These are the twelve Imams. Then there will be twelve Mahdi's after them. then when Allah receiveth him, let him hand it over to his son, the first of the close ones, he has three names, one like mine and my Father's: Abdollah (Servant of God), Ahmad and the third name is The Mahdi (the guided) and he is the first Believer"

Testament of the Holy Prophet Mohammad, may peace be on him and his family was mentioned in the following references:

· Chaykh Tawssi, Ghayba li Tawssi p.150

· Chaykh Hor L'Amili, Itbat Lhodat vol.1 p.549

· Chaykh Hor L'Amili, Al'Iqad Min Alhajaa p.393-3

· Chaykh Hassan Ben Soulayman Al Hiliy, Mokhtassar Al Bassa'ir p.159-4

· Al Allama Lmajlissi, Bihar Al Anwar vol.53 p.147

· Al Allama Lmajlissi, Bihar Al Anwar vol.36 p.260

· Chaykh Abdo Allah Albahrani, Al'awalim vol.3 p.236

· Assayid Hachim Albahrani, Ghayat almoram vol.1 p.370

· Assayid Hachim Albahrani, Al Insaf p.222

· Al Fayd Al Kachani, Nawadir Al Akhbar p.294-9

· Chaykh Al Mirza Annouri, Annajm Attaqib vol.2 p.71

· Assayid Mohammad Mohammad Sadiq Assadr , Tarikh Ma Baad Addohour p.641-11

· Achaykh Al Mayanji, Makatib Arrassoul vol.2 p.96

· Chaykh Kourani, Mokhtassar Mo'jam Ahadith Al Imam Al Mahdi p.301-13

Also if you would life I can start posting the narrations which go against the scholars, and how theyll fight the 12th Imam(as), Ill post one for you:

"When Imam Al-Mahdi emerges he will not have any enemies except

the scholars,if it wasn't for the sword, the scholars would have

issued fatwas to kill him" Bayan Al-A'ema a.s v.3 p.99

more are available if you would like.

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Dear brother. Please think of following: 
 
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<li>There is no taqleed on usool e deen. This is what is haram.</li>
<li>Taqleed is on furoo e deen only.</li>
<li>Those who can gain enough knowledge to be able to find solution of religious problems, or those who can practice “ehtiyat”, do not do taqleed.</li>
<li>Every mujtahid e jameush sharayat is fallible and no one copies or worship him. He can make mistake like any doctor can. Obviously, there is no taqleed when imam is present who cannot make mistake.</li>
<li>Please tell me what should rest of the shias (which makes the vast majority) do at the time of occultation? Please come out with a practical solution.</li>
<li>What do you do when a family member falls ill, or there is a court case, or you need a building erected? Do you try DIY (do it yourself) or go to an expert? Do not tell me you have never been to a doctor. If it is all right for you to go to an expert, why is it wrong for me? Come on my brother. See the logic.</li>
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Yes I agree with you to an extent but again we have narrations which do go against it. This is exactly what the people in the time of Jesus (as) used to do they used to follow there rabbis blindly which led them to do haram. Overall its another innovation it seems to me, reason for that being simple that it is not backed up by the Quran or Ahlul Bayt(As). I understand that you might have a different criteria with accepting things, but a very important criteria in these situations are narrations, specifically from the Quran or Ahlul Bayt. The reason for that is simple because our prophet told us to hang on to them and we would not go astray if we follow them correctly. So I would love some proof from those 2 sources which are mentioned to show how taqleed is even permissible. the shia have been clearly commanded to follow the Quran and Ahlul Bayt which would not lead them astray so I believe the advice of the prophet to be the best. So again taqleed lacks evidence.

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So am I brother. A very humble servant of my and your imam e zamana. The truest and real infallible and the only imam of our time. May he come soon and be happy with both of us. Ameen.

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Ameen

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Maula Dha Mallang · September 22, 2011

Well you need some serious help. May Allah guide you. You think youll bring people to your so called truth by swearing and cursing in the worst ways, I ll tell you one thing it is not attracting at all, and makes people actually run away from your cause/belief, so yeah your not attracting anyone. I recommend that you read the Quran once again and some specific hadiths by Ahlul Bayt on manners, something which you seem to be lacking. Again Ive seen those weird malangs like you in the streets of Pakistan so I would expect this nonsense from you.

how much do you think i care about attracting anyone to anything?

i just want people to see the truth of your muslim version of the branch davidiens, and recognise it for the wackyass retarded cult that it is.

btw i assume you are desi. have you met ahmad al hassan? if so, tell us your experience. if you have not, how do you know he even EXISTS?

finally, may he die on the toilet. unless Allah has not already dragged him to hell (alhamdulillah)

Ahmad 313 · September 23, 2011

how much do you think i care about attracting anyone to anything?
i just want people to see the truth of your muslim version of the branch davidiens, and recognise it for the wackyass retarded cult that it is.
btw i assume you are desi. have you met ahmad al hassan? if so, tell us your experience. if you have not, how do you know he even EXISTS?
finally, may he die on the toilet. unless Allah has not already dragged him to hell (alhamdulillah)

Im not answering any of your questions until you learn the basic manners to have in a simple conversation.

Maula Dha Mallang · September 23, 2011

Im not answering any of your questions until you learn the basic manners to have in a simple conversation.

so you dont know even if he is alive, do not speak arabic, and have never met him.

ill learn the basics of akhlaaq the day you learn the basics of common sense.

May ahmed al hassan die on the toilet, unless Allah has already dragged him to hell (alhamdulillah)

GreenLantern · September 23, 2011

If you ask a shiite resident of Iraq, he will tell you that it is much better than Iraq of Saddam's era. As a zair (admittedly few years ago), I had the same feeling.
Saddam's era was a long tyrant era and those who lived through them had a very tough time with young shia men getting killed and women assaulted on daily basis, with no one to hear. There was no self-respect for shiite Iraqi. No justice at all.

Do you see self-respect for the shia today? Shia men and women are killed on a daily basis, thousands of Iraqis are dead and orphaned, worse than Saddam, and Saddam was considered the worst of tyrants. Do you see justice anywhere? US has open visa to stay in Iraq where taking oil has become the least of their atrocities.

2. during those times it was more important to stay silent then go yelling around

Silent during Saddam, after Saddam,silence at Fallujah, in the face of torture prisions, death, murder, occupation, thousands injured and missing, still no action.

Silence is not what Ahlulbayt practised, Ahlulbayt always made sure they spoke out against oppression. Many scholars like Sayed Mohamed Sadeq alSadr courageously went out against Saddam and showed they were was not afraid of Saddam or of death.

Brother Abuzar. Any neutral person will testify that you have proved beyond doubt that Ahmedal Hasan is indeed not the rightful Yamani or Mehdi but merely a ploy by oil rich kings to harm the shiites of 12th Imam (a.s).

A person who says supremacy is for God not for the tyrants, is a supporter of the ultimate Saudi tyrants? How did you reach that conclusion?

ill learn the basics of akhlaaq the day you learn the basics of common sense.
May ahmed al hassan die on the toilet, unless Allah has already dragged him to hell (alhamdulillah)

Love of AhlulBayt without any of the characteristics of Ahlulbayt, strange.

Maula Dha Mallang · September 23, 2011

Love of AhlulBayt without any of the characteristics of Ahlulbayt, strange.

loving false prophets is a charachteristic of the ahlebeyt (as) to you? strange.

Shia_Debater · September 23, 2011

(salam)

What I have figured out about this Ahmed al Hassan guy.

1) No one has seen him - If anyone has then please step forward and tell us what your experience was.

2) There are no pictures of him - Is he trying to hide his identity? .. or maybe he doesn't even exist.

3) He claims he is Imam Mahdi (atfs) and the Son of Imam Mahdi (atfs)?? If I am wrong then please correct me .. but if this is the case then this is a bit like christians claiming Jesus (as) being the son of God and God .. it doesn't make any sense

(wasalam)

insha · September 23, 2011

salaam
sorry to come in but i find this upsurd
6. Ahmad Al Hassan(as) was the only one to give a fatwa on saddam when he wrote the Quran with blood. Ahmad Al Hassan(as) had asked many of the scholars in Iraq to do something, yet they stayed silent. Imam(as) had risked his life, and saddam and his people were after him. We can see from here that the Imam did more then just writing a book rather he put himself in danger.
1. i would like to see this fatwa
2. during those times it was more important to stay silent then go yelling around
A question for u, ahmad al hassan claims that there was a fatwa against him from sistani (ha) i want to see it.

My dear friend sayyid_hammid wrote this on a thread: Why I Believe Ahmed Ismail is NOT the Yamani

Sayyid Sistani's Imaginary Fatwa to kill Ahmad Al Hasan
I opened this thread on HSB: LINK:SISTANI DID NOT ISSUE A FATWA ON AHMAD AL HASAN
Ahmad Al Hasan and his ansar claim that Sayyid Sistani issued a fatwa to kill ahmad Al Hasan and are using it to bad mouth the man. So I called Najaf and asked. They said there is no such fatwa. So I challenged the ansar to bring this fatwa, and they failed.
After I was banned, the "brave ones" posted this:
LINK:SISTANI FATWA LEADING TO THE ATTEMPT TO KILL AHMAD A.S
The best they've got is a news report in which someone says that they met Sayyid Sistani who said: The government should deal with stray and corrupt religious groups.
And there was a cryout of joy from the Ansar saying "Alhamdulillah", and, there was also this:
Great job Zolfigar. And the truth has shown and the people who defended Sistani are once again put to shame.
"Again put to shame". Yes indeed. But those who were AGAIN put to shame was not me' date=' rather, it is on those who know Arabic and pretend that this was a fatwa.
Sayyid Sistani said: The government should deal with stray and corrupt religious groups.
1 - This is not a fatwa
2 - There is no mention of Ahmad Al Hasan or the ansar
Sayyid Sistani is talking about the dangerous Islamic groups - the TERRORISTS who have been killing innocent people since the invasion!
With all these corrupt religious terrorist groups who have killed so many innocent people, if Sayyid Sistani had not said what he had said then he would have been guilty of neglecting his duty to command to good and forbid evil.
But what is funny, is that when Sayyid Sistani is talking about terrorists, the ansar think he is really talking about them.
As for the Arab speakers such as Abdullah Hashem, you really do not understand (or pretend not to understand) what a fatwa is. Are you trying to fool those of us who don't speak Arabic by pretending that that news articles was the fatwa??
A fatwa is a religious ruling, not advice to the government. A fatwa to kill is: A religious ruling which makes it obligatory for whoever is capable to kill so and so. Example: The fatwa of Imam Khomeini to kill Salman Rushdi.
Conclusion: Ahmad A-Hasan and the Ansar are deceivers.[/quote']

Ahmad 313 · September 24, 2011

(salam)
What I have figured out about this Ahmed al Hassan guy.
1) No one has seen him - If anyone has then please step forward and tell us what your experience was.
2) There are no pictures of him - Is he trying to hide his identity? .. or maybe he doesn't even exist.
3) He claims he is Imam Mahdi (atfs) and the Son of Imam Mahdi (atfs)?? If I am wrong then please correct me .. but if this is the case then this is a bit like christians claiming Jesus (as) being the son of God and God .. it doesn't make any sense
(wasalam)

1. Yes many have met him and have stayed with him, now I can go on on about what people have said about the Imam(as), but ill get you something from the individuals own word:

That is how I knew Sayyed Ahmad Al-Hassan:
Very humble, in all means, as I lived with him for years, and he was among us as if he is one of us. Rather he used to serve us most of the times and never excelled from us neither in food, clothes or place, but we used to even wear better than him. He used to make us ahead of him when we enter any place or get into a car and he does not accept anyone to make him ahead of the other Ansars, yet he always say: “I am your brother and servant, and we are all walking to Allah swt satisfaction, as I came to get you out from worshiping idols, so don’t make me an idol”. He gets really upset when some Ansar deal with him with special treatment and distinguishes between him and other Ansar in shaking hands or something similar. He always say: “don’t let the sign distract you from the Goal and Purpose that it is leading to, as the Imams and successors are the signs on the way of guidance and truth... so don’t shorten your sight on the sign and also don’t be unjust to the righteousness of the sign”.
He (as) was simple in clothing and sitting, and feel at ease when sitting and prostrating on sand and consider it a bless from Allah if he found it. And if his clothe got cut or slit, he says: “Alhamdulillah who blessed us following the example; the Commander of the Faithful (as)”.
We spent these years with him in traveling mostly between the states of Iraq to inform and introduce the Yamanite Call and thus he serves us all along our journey... for example if the car broke down, he would repair it even though he had to lay down on the sand under the car and dirty his clothes with the engine oil. He used to also help the Ansar in washing dishes after they are done eating and share in preparing food if the Ansar were in one of the Hussaniyyas we had.
He always gives the example of the Prophet Jesus saying: “Wisdom prospers with humbleness, not with arrogance; as well as the plants grow on plain, not on mountain”. He used to also emphasize on fighting the Ego by saying: “Indeed Allah is Holy and doesn’t draw near except to the Holy; so be hallowed so that Allah draws you near”.
With and from him we knew the truth of humbleness and the truth of religion, as we learned from him that the more a man looks at himself and gets busy with it and is fascinated by its situation, the more his rank lessens Allah The Al-Mighty until he reaches the rank of Iblis (God’s curse on him) “I am better than him”. He once said that who truly and honestly wants to be from Ansar Al-Imam Almahdy (a.s) should be from the representatives of The Al-Might’s saying: {That home of the Hereafter We assign to those who do not desire exaltedness upon the earth or corruption. And the [best] outcome is for the pious} Al-Qasas 28:83.
Which means the wish of being high in land doesn’t come to their minds and they don’t talk themselves into that and don’t desire it…not only they don’t practice being high in land and to corrupt, but it doesn’t come to his mind that he is better than any of his brothers no matter how simple he appears. He says: “who slanders a simple believer and who slanders a poor…has indeed slandered Ahmad Al-Hassan”.
He used to always say: “the worst enemy of a man is his Ego that is by his sides”. Indeed Sayyed Ahmad Al-Hassan (a.s) was a great school in everything and from him we learned how ugly and degraded are the manners of arrogance and pride which are the prevalent feature of many religious foundations…like kissing the hands, being proud and trespassing over people, and elongating the beards and enlarging the turbans… as you find that the prevalent practice is that whenever the religious man thinks he has advanced in knowledge he would elongate his beard and enlarge his turban more than before…yet he would excel even in the slippers! As who wears a yellow slippers means he has become a Mujtahid! So woe to such Ijtihad in which the slippers is the indication to it!!!!
One day, one of those who claim Ijtihad in Najaf Al-Ashraf griped my attention. I was standing in the Honorable Courtyard of Al-Haider when this Mujtahid came with one of his followers behind him, so when he reached to the place of taking off the shoes he left his yellow slippers without handing it to the man in charge of safekeeping the shoes and thus the mission of that man walking behind him is to carry that yellow slippers and hand it to the man in charge, and when this Marj’ie comes out, that man would offer that yellow slippers to him. I was disgusted by this deviated Pharaoh manner which is deviated from the manner of Ahlul Bait (a.s), the manner of humbleness, simplicity and preference.
As for those who claim the Superior Marj’eyah today, you would find people standing in queues for hours waiting for their turn to only kiss the hand of this Marj’i, no more!!
And you find that this Marj’I is raising his hand and most of the times turn his head to the one sitting beside him to talk to him while people are kissing his hand and going without he even looks at them… this is what I saw by my eyes and Allah is my witness! While those clerics read what is reported from Ahlul Bait (a.s) in forbidding that:
Ali bin Mazeed. The companion of Al-Sabri said: I came to Abi Abdullah (a.s) and picked up his hand to kiss it, so he said: “it is not suitable except to a prophet or a vicegerent of a prophet” Al-Kafi Vol. 2, page 185.
Imam Al-Reza (a.s) said: “a man doesn’t kiss a hand of a man, as the kiss of his hand is like praying to him” Tohaf Al-Uqool, page 450.
As those clerics don’t think there is anyone better that them; that’s why their hands are set in front of people to kiss them; or else if they think there may be someone of those kissing their hands better and closer to Allah than him, how can they accept them to kiss their hands?!
Thus this is much far away from the morals of Muhammad’s progeny (a.s) and their teaching to their followers and lovers. And how good is the martyr Muhammad Muhammad Sadiq Al-Sadr (May his soul rest in peace) when he clearly clarified the ugliness of this heresy and refuted all the frail excuses of justifying this heresy, as he said in one of his sermons or audio recordings something which means: “the one whose hands are kissed is a Satan whether he knows or not”. And he also said what means: “I was a stranger in the Hawza and community because I don’t offer my hand to be kissed.. but Inshallah a day will come when the one whose hand is kissed is the stranger and outcast”.
Yes… Inshallah this day will come very soon for the religion of Muhammad and his progeny (a.s) returns fresh and tender without heresy or deviation, as the honest dawn has risen and here we are waiting for the shine of the sun… The Al-Mighty said: {…Indeed, their appointment is on the dawn. Is not the dawn near?} Hud: 11:81
Yes my Lord is it near and very near. Our hearts are craving for this dawn which is the delight of the pious and waiters, while the doubtful and suspicious consider it faraway, The Al-Mighty said: {Indeed, they see it [as] faraway*But We see it near} Al-Ma’arij 70:6-7.
Taken from http://hashemstudios-board.com/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=5381

InshAllah if you would like the continuation ill post it.

2. He is not trying to hide his identity in any way. There are two different things I have heard. The first is that whenever someone would try to take his picture he would tell them like whats the point, do they want to put another idol in there house(im paraphrasing). Basically the Imam(as) doesnt want that happening, he has been sent to take people away from there idols and not become one him self. Another thing I have heard is that when people actually do take his picture it comes out as light, even with his id cards. Overall seeing him wont prove to us that he is the Yamani(as), we dont need to see the Prophet(sawa) to believe him.

3. Yes he(as) says that he is from the progeny of the 12 Imam (as). And hes has a family tree to prove that, which is available if you want to see.

My dear friend sayyid_hammid wrote this on a thread: Why I Believe Ahmed Ismail is NOT the Yamani

Thats why you deleted more than half the post the ansars made on WUP.

Edited September 24, 2011 by Ahmad 313

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