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10 hours ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

Another sign: Soon after the death of Abdullah al Saud (curse of Allah be upon him) died, the Houthis took over Sanaa. This is proof that they are the army of Al Yamani, not Ahmad al Hassan. 

I dont know about this, arent the houthis zaidi? 

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On 12/12/2016 at 5:01 PM, al-Arabi al-Iraqi said:

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8 hours ago, DigitalUmmah said:

I dont know about this, arent the houthis zaidi? 

I am not sure. I have heard many now believe in Imami shia. There are hadith that say the Yamani will go into occultation or disguise himself/his beliefs. We'll have to wait and see.

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First hadith: page does not exist

As for his lineage being Yemeni, it could by Syed Nasrallah, who is of Yemeni descent and is close to the Khorasani. Prove this Ahmad Al Hassan is of Yemeni origin. This also contradicts the whote flags out of Yemen, for his flag is the Star of David. Could you also provide some of the narrarators of these hadith? Honorary Shaykh Jalil al Fadl (ra) was a companion of Imam Jafar Sadegh (as) and wrote a book called Return of The Mahdi. Ahmad al Hassan also did not oppose the US invasion of Iraq. Why is that?  One sign of the Mahdi is 300 true Shia. You claim 4000 follow him yet the Mahdi has still yet to arrive? Or is he the Mahdi? No he is the Mahdi that comes after the Mahdi who is somehow here before the Mahdi.

 

 

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The cult 'Soldiers of Heaven' attacked Shias in Iraq and some of them were killed in a battle with police. After the leader of the cult was killed in the fighting, Ahmad Al Hassan or Ahmed al-Hasan, became the leader. He is a deceiver. He is an opportunist. He is not the savior. He is a fake imam. Don't be deceived.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7196058.stm

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On 9/13/2010 at 2:42 PM, Al-Gazali said:

Salam,

Ahmed Alhassan, there is a website on this guy, i dont have it with me atm but ill post it up, This guy is a fake a imposter, he says dont follow the maraj3 because they are all wrong, and that he needs ansar to hasten the reapperance of our imam.

There are some people that follow this guy in my place where i live, no one talks to them. There is a room on paltalk dedicated to him, you guys should hear them, they are so wack.

salam alaikum,

The only reason why you say no one talks to them is because no one wants to listen to them, and many people judge them by what they here.i suggest you read Ahmad alhassan (AS) books that are in arabic and some translated and then comment about him.

regardless you shouldn't discriminate what people believe in, as a muslim ummah we already have so many people against us we shouldn't be against each other. 

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On 12/24/2016 at 11:39 AM, Hameedeh said:

The cult 'Soldiers of Heaven' attacked Shias in Iraq and some of them were killed in a battle with police. After the leader of the cult was killed in the fighting, Ahmad Al Hassan or Ahmed al-Hasan, became the leader. He is a deceiver. He is an opportunist. He is not the savior. He is a fake imam. Don't be deceived.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7196058.stm

salam alaikum,

This post Is not true and Ahmad alhassan is not the reason for any of this, just like us muslims are being labeled as terrorist and blamed for many terrorist attacks in the western country's,Ahmad al Hassan is also blamed for them in Iraq.The Iraqi gov blames Ahmad Al Hassan for everything, and an example of this Is, is them blaming him for the protests that have taken place and are still taking place in iraq - which really doesn't make sense because there are thousands of Iraqis going to the protests.Maybe you should take that into consideration.

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9 hours ago, Ruqaya101 said:

salam alaikum,

This post Is not true and Ahmad alhassan is not the reason for any of this

Salam. Are you a follower of Ahmed al-Hassan and cannot look at the facts? Maybe you did not read the news story at the link that I posted almost 2 years ago. 

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10 hours ago, Ruqaya101 said:

The Iraqi gov blames Ahmad Al Hassan for everything, and an example of this Is, is them blaming him for the protests that have taken place and are still taking place in iraq

Having very close relatives in the nucleus of the Dawa party (among them, my own father), these protests are in no way seen as product of Ahmad al Hassan. It is a combination of water and power scarcity with terrorist attacks triggered by external groups. Nonetheless, I would like to know from where you got that information...

10 hours ago, Ruqaya101 said:

i suggest you read Ahmad alhassan (AS) books that are in arabic and some translated and then comment about him.

I did, and I consider it a very poor product for which I wouldn't waste any cent and definitely not a second more of my time. And it's not because of religious bias, really. If a twelver shia ayatollah wrote like that, I would consider him an ignorant equally, and would have no problem to say it. For me, someone who in a suppossedly enlightening book is constantly warning about Shaitan is an idiot. Though I must admit that lately I dislike reading anything that has the word shaytan in it. For me, the word shaytan is being used to put the blame of our stupidity in some mythological creature who no one has ever seen. He does the same with the jinns. Honestly, rather than caring for invisible creatures, we have more important topics at hand.

I dare you offer me something meaningful this ignorant has said, something that would convince a man of reason.

Ahlulbayt aren't an easy thing @Ruqaya101. Any person of reason who studies them (going beyond pointless customs, movies with FX and epic music, and lecturers' storytelling) will probably be left thinking, perplex and loving the way they built a school of thought. Because that is what they did, build a school of thought, in the most adequate manner in their time and context. All messengers of God have excelled in delivering a message in their context: Moses with magic, Jesus with health, and Muhammad with poetry. In the XXI century, someone who can only warn about shaytan can only be considered an ignorant. We live in a time where science, reason, adequate politic discourse and technology lead humanity.

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6 hours ago, Hameedeh said:

Salam. Are you a follower of Ahmed al-Hassan and cannot look at the facts? Maybe you did not read the news story at the link that I posted almost 2 years ago. 

No hun, this isn't the point.  I disagree with the fact that muslims themselves are attacking others when this ummah is becoming weaker anyway. Aren't we divided enough!  It is really upsetting to see! And a disappointment at that. 

Whether I am a believer or not, that is not up to you sis, but im here to tell you that there are many many believers out there and they are being judged and secluded because of ignorant people. Seek knowledge and if you are going to provide facts, then please enlighten me by using his own knowledge and not from a news report. you said it yourself sister, its a news report! 

Look, I dont mean to offend at all! But I want you to realise that this whole topic could be a pain to many believers of his out there, and to non believer too who maybe seeking islam and looking at Shia but they might come across something like this just like I did and their first thought could be of confusion and hopeless. Were attacking each other. The prophet SAWS taught us to always be kind and to always grow and be better. Instead of attacking each other, you could instead make a dua that Allah guides us all, opens our minds and increases our knowledge. 

okay I understand, you have your own views and opinions and that is fine, but no one else should be attacked for their views. I know you mean well, I mean im sure you do, but lets unite together instead of further dividing, especially within the Shia community. 

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@Ruqaya101 I don't think it is an attack, but rather it is a critique. I think there is a difference between attack and criticizing, as the first may be done without any respect nor using any reasoning.

We may respect each other beliefs, but I believe we can also discuss matters reasonably. This thread is about this man, Ahmad al Hassan. In my previous post I didn't intend to attack him, but his texts are quite poor. Instead of asking Allah to guide others, I feel there is a higher priority and is indeed more effective to discuss things.

Precisely this is the wrong behaviour and mentality I see behind all Ahmad al Hassan ideology. You can't even discuss it. Respecting beliefs doesn't mean accepting dogmas and not discussing them. Guiding people is not merely up to dua, but up to clear reasonings and schools of thought. This is one error present in almost all, if not all, religious communities (included orthodox twelver shia islam), and it justifies and perpetuates ignorance, and critiques are wrongly deemed as attacks, in order to keep the sect growing. Any person whose ideology is based on this, is definitely an ignorant coward. And again, I've bothered to read him.

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37 minutes ago, Bakir said:

@Ruqaya101 I don't think it is an attack, but rather it is a critique. I think there is a difference between attack and criticizing, as the first may be done without any respect nor using any reasoning.

We may respect each other beliefs, but I believe we can also discuss matters reasonably. This thread is about this man, Ahmad al Hassan. In my previous post I didn't intend to attack him, but his texts are quite poor. Instead of asking Allah to guide others, I feel there is a higher priority and is indeed more effective to discuss things.

Precisely this is the wrong behaviour and mentality I see behind all Ahmad al Hassan ideology. You can't even discuss it. Respecting beliefs doesn't mean accepting dogmas and not discussing them. Guiding people is not merely up to dua, but up to clear reasonings and schools of thought. This is one error present in almost all, if not all, religious communities (included orthodox twelver shia islam), and it justifies and perpetuates ignorance, and critiques are wrongly deemed as attacks, in order to keep the sect growing. Any person whose ideology is based on this, is definitely an ignorant coward. And again, I've bothered to read him.

Tamam i understand you, I really do. I was once at the same mindset as you. But everyones different. I didn't specifically say that you attacked them, but there were others that did in this topic, some were posting about how "no one talks to them in the neighbourhood... because thats just whack". Thats just so sad, if you dont see them as muslims, then see tham as humans. I dont care whatever sect anyone is, thats between them and Allah, if we can advise correctly and they still dont listen, tamam, thats up to them. But they're still humans too, especially if they're middle eastern and are labelled as terrorists, imagine even your own kind and community being Shias are against you as well. That is honestly ridiculous. Just like you respect other religions such as Christianity and maybe even have friends that are Christian, this is the same thing. we should respect others values even if we dont agree to it.

second of all brother, I would really be interested to know which book you have read. Because I have read one book of his and theres nothing of shaytaan in it. I guarantee it! its quite the opposite, as you said and mentioned before ...

7 hours ago, Bakir said:

We live in a time where science, reason, adequate politic discourse and technology lead humanity.

this was everything that I read in his book. everything! it was all science, and not anyone is able to easily understand his content either. Brother I stayed an hour reading one chapter explaining quantum physics. Scientists are going mad at how he knows all this knowledge. During 13 to 14 years of his call he managed to gather thousands of followers from around the world due to his convincing proofs and visions from the Kingdom of Heaven of people seeing the Prophet Muhammad and his family, and also other Prophets and Messengers testifying to his truth. There are also numerous miracles testified by Sheikhs from the Hawza that he is a vicegerent of God and an Imam. 

Im not saying I am completely convinced by him, brother. But I will NOT be ignorant to so many proofs. I am still researching myself. and I continuously pray to Allah that he guides the right way. 

Please, for the love of Allah and ahlul bayt, go read his new books. More specifically, I advise you to read The Athiest Delusion which is full of knowledge and science and technology and all that you mentioned. :) 

And I want you to remember something, every prophet that came and every imam that was born were all doubted, said they were liars that they are not imams, even with the proofs they brought, with the hadeeths they quoted, and yet very very very few followed them. Sound familiar? if you're going to research something or someone, then fully research them, everything before you make a comment or disagree. Because thats not the way it works brother, we dont always get what we want to hear. 

I say this cause I care about you and the sisters and the brothers and everyone else. I swear to god, I used to think the exact same as you and I refused to believe this man and I even lost hated everything abut him, but one morning I asked Allah for guidance and suddenly I gained interest in him? I began to talk to his followers, asking them questions, I began reading his books which leave me perplexed in thought. No man has come with such knowledge, scientists themselves are going mad. 

and please if you're going to answer back to this, come back to me when youre fully convinced, not because you refuse to believe him. always ask for guidance and khair in every matter and I promise you, it will work out for you the way Allah wants it to. :) 

 maalsellamah :) 

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13 minutes ago, Ruqaya101 said:

second of all brother, I would really be interested to know which book you have read. Because I have read one book of his and theres nothing of shaytaan in it

Specifically, the Jihad is the Door to Paradise is full of what I've criticized in my former post. I've also started the Sealing Prophecy but I had no interest in reading more how he justifies his position through past narrations. This is the reasoning behind most of his discourse, using islamic eschatology to defend his position. As a communication strategy, though, it makes sense, as most of his followers got addicted to the Arrivals series who basically add some "epicness" to islamic eschatology with the brilliant music of Clint Mansell. I acknowledge the power of musicality and epicness, the Book (Quran) has used this for its propagation itself. But if I had to applaud someone, it would be Clint Mansell.

23 minutes ago, Ruqaya101 said:

imagine even your own kind and community being Shias are against you as well.

As a homosexual, I'm surely more aware of this than anyone following Ahmad al Hassan. In Iraq, his followers are better treated than people like me, as they at least have a voice. Nonetheless, respect doesn't equate acceptance either, and I coherently defend this idea in all cases, even though most seem to wrongly mix the concepts.

28 minutes ago, Ruqaya101 said:

More specifically, I advise you to read The Athiest Delusion which is full of knowledge and science and technology and all that you mentioned

Don't mind giving it a look, but as soon as I see the same writing style, I honestly will stop as it induces exhaust.

In the other hand, I must also point out that my beliefs aren't based on wishes, but on deep study. If the guy doesn't make any sense, it's not my fault.

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1 minute ago, Bakir said:

Specifically, the Jihad is the Door to Paradise is full of what I've criticized in my former post. I've also started the Sealing Prophecy but I had no interest in reading more how he justifies his position through past narrations. This is the reasoning behind most of his discourse, using islamic eschatology to defend his position. As a communication strategy, though, it makes sense, as most of his followers got addicted to the Arrivals series who basically add some "epicness" to islamic eschatology with the brilliant music of Clint Mansell. I acknowledge the power of musicality and epicness, the Book (Quran) has used this for its propagation itself. But if I had to applaud someone, it would be Clint Mansell.

As a homosexual, I'm surely more aware of this than anyone following Ahmad al Hassan. In Iraq, his followers are better treated than people like me, as they at least have a voice. Nonetheless, respect doesn't equate acceptance either, and I coherently defend this idea in all cases, even though most seem to wrongly mix the concepts.

Don't mind giving it a look, but as soon as I see the same writing style, I honestly will stop as it induces exhaust.

In the other hand, I must also point out that my beliefs aren't based on wishes, but on deep study. If the guy doesn't make any sense, it's not my fault.

okay, you're a homosexual, thats your own free will, I could also disrespect you right now using "deep study" as you would call it.

But im not going to do that brother! I dont want to ever be that type of person to seclude someone and hurt them, I would much rather get hurt myself than hurt others. All his followers in Iraq, once they get caught, they are tortured by the government and most of the time killed! WHY? just ask yourself, WHY. 

People!!! start asking questions!! 

Tamam, if you're not interested in his writing style and ill be completely honest with you, I dont either, but I force myself to, because his text is full of knowledge that no scientists has come and explained it the way he has, I suggest read the content within and not choosing to continue to read because of his writing style. and if you could read it in arabic, then that would be better. Many are turning to islam because of it. I would recommend you ask his followers questions, they have a whole group chat online where Christians, jews have even became muslim because of it! 

Explain all the miracles that happen to people by the will of Allah to guide them to this man? would you say that Allah would guide someone to the wrong path. My friends father himself has sat with him in person before the Iraqi and American government, including most scholars sought to kill him and he swears that his knowledge is beyond anything that he has ever read or heard or seen. And let me tell you something, most of his followers, and I really mean it are doctors, engineers, lawyers, etc. And they really do commit to building a stronger platform. 

Just start asking questions. Question and seek knowledge, and ask Allah for guidance and khair in this matter and in everything you do.

take care brother :) 

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12 minutes ago, abuhaydar said:

too many people whining about judging these days.. when you see something wrong it is your religous duty to speak out.

this man should be killed. 

he is not the mahdi. he is funded by uae and kuwait. we have more than enough hadith explaining how the mahdi a.s will appear. 

@Bakir satan isnt a mythical creature.. the quran isnt a fantasy.. 

well I did my religious duty and spoke out. peace out y'all 

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5 minutes ago, Ruqaya101 said:

okay, you're a homosexual, thats your own free will, I could also disrespect you right now using "deep study" as you would call it.

You would only disrespect yourself.

As for doctors and scientist converting thanks to Ahmad al Hassan... I see this the same way I see the recent thread on SC about Einstein converting to Islam because of Borujerdi. A bad joke, or a funny one, depending on your sense of humour. Same happened with Armstrong converting to Islam and all that. I'm used to these ridiculous attempts to deceive people. Islam didn't convert scientists back in the day, but paved the way to a society in which science was created as a formal discipline. I don't consider Ibn Rushd a prophet nor a saint for reconciling revelation with reason, religion with science. I just consider him an intelligent reasonable man for his time.

17 minutes ago, abuhaydar said:

@Bakir satan isnt a mythical creature.. the quran isnt a fantasy.. 

It is mentioned in the Quran, indeed. But there is a difference between a divine revelation and a human dissertation. God is the all Knowing. Meanwhile humans discussing satan sounds rather ridiculous. Thats why I called satan a mythical creature in my former post, because in the context I was pointing out, talking about satan is as meaningful as talking about black unicorns.

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1 minute ago, Bakir said:

You would only disrespect yourself.

As for doctors and scientist converting thanks to Ahmad al Hassan... I see this the same way I see the recent thread on SC about Einstein converting to Islam because of Borujerdi. A bad joke, or a funny one, depending on your sense of humour. Same happened with Armstrong converting to Islam and all that. I'm used to these ridiculous attempts to deceive people. Islam didn't convert scientists back in the day, but paved the way to a society in which science was created as a formal discipline. I don't consider Ibn Rushd a prophet nor a saint for reconciling revelation with reason, religion with science. I just consider him an intelligent reasonable man for his time.

It is mentioned in the Quran, indeed. But there is a difference between a divine revelation and a human dissertation. God is the all Knowing. Meanwhile humans discussing satan sounds rather ridiculous. Thats why I called satan a mythical creature in my former post, because in the context I was pointing out, talking about satan is as meaningful as talking about black unicorns.

hey!! whats wrong with black unicorns :( ?

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On 10/24/2018 at 7:31 AM, Ruqaya101 said:

salam alaikum,

The only reason why you say no one talks to them is because no one wants to listen to them, and many people judge them by what they here.i suggest you read Ahmad alhassan (AS) books that are in arabic and some translated and then comment about him.

regardless you shouldn't discriminate what people believe in, as a muslim ummah we already have so many people against us we shouldn't be against each other. 

If you honestly think that the shia are going to fall for this, you have no idea who we are.

Go back to your masters and tell them its not working.

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3 hours ago, iraqi_shia said:

If you honestly think that the shia are going to fall for this, you have no idea who we are.

Go back to your masters and tell them its not working.

Wow!! You nailed it, akhi!

We have 1400 years of such fitna behind us. We've withstood the fitna of the Kaysaniyyah, the Zaydiyyah, the Ismailiyyah, and the Waqifiyyah, and in the modern times, the Bahai's. The school of the 12 Awsiyyah (as) of the Prophet (sa) stands strong and proud, and its followers united behind its Shepherd (ajtf) and his deputies (ra). If this bloke and his army of propagandists think that they can swindle us, it's them who need to smell the coffee.

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