Who Is Ahmad Al Hassan?

[Maula Dha Mallang]

so how did the village elders confirm imam mahdi (atf) was the father?

[Love-Of-Islam]

No where in the Qur’an or the hadith are elections ever supported, please bring your proof from Qur’an or hadith if you think otherwise, you will not find it anywhere. When was democracy accepted since the time of the Prophets that you think it is acceptable nowadays to have a democracy and elections? There is still a hujja present, or do you think that we have been left to our own devices? When elections occurred in the life of the Imams like at Saqifah we all reject that unanimously as going against the decision of Allah swt, yet today we also insist on choosing our own leaders. Where is the difference?

okay okay tell me this when imam mahdi (as) went ghaybat, what were we suppose to do? let me explain in this simple words

human leadership: no imam mahdi (as) present right now. The letter state that he wont have any contact until his rise, what are we suppose to do until then? Run a country according to Islamic law, and with a leader who represent the country to other country. The leader who can take important decision.

imam (as) leadership: appointed by Allah, we agree right. Who is the last imam? imam mahdi (as) so he is the leader BUT HE DID NOT RISE YET.

human leadership and imam (as) completely 2 different things, u are comparing a non masoom to a masoom. Non masoom flaws but thats the best we have right now so go for it UNTIL THE MASOOM RISES AND TAKES OVER.

Your friend yahamd still did not reply yet, or is he still looking for proof that human leadership without imam mahdi (as) (present in a state where we can talk, touch and hear him) is still haram?

do u understand now?

also look at brother ali H post explained much better.

[YamaniAhlulBayt313]

(bismillah)

okay, the scholars, who we believe to be the most knowledgeable, have never caught the concept of elections being haram? yet ahmad, who you claim to be the truthful and challenges the scholars hasnt even shown him self? show me where he has challenged the scholars, ayatullahs would destroy him. they cannot debate a man who they cannot see, wahabis dont debate, because they fear to do so, they have been challenged on many occasions.

please do expand brother

The scholars who we have now, who are alive and well most of them believe in elections. Allah knows best why they do not judge this concept as haram. Maybe there is a reason behind it? political agenda? Maybe having elections brings them some sort of benefit.

Sayyid Ahmad Al Hassan Al Yamani(as) has challenged the scholars:

This is a translation from Ahmad's words calling out all the famous Shia clerics for a debate, I received this from a link in the ansar arabic room and it had a stamp from Sayed Ahmad a.s:

"And until when they came He said:Did you lie unto my signs,and you were not knowing of its knowledge,or what have you been doing"verse 84 Surat AlNamelI seek refuge to Allah and let us be aware from becoming amongst the liars unto the signs of Allah the Exalted.And we ask Allah to maintain success for the true believers,so they can be honored to serve Imam Al Mahdi a.s He is the All-Hearing and Answering.

As for this call it is directed to three groups of scholars:

The first group:Sayed Ali AlSistani,or Sayed AlMara'ashi in deputyship of Sayed AlSistani authorized with a stamp. And AlSayed Muhammad Sa'eed AlHakeem.And AlSheikh Muhammad Ishaaq AlFayaath.And the conditions of this debate with these three scholars,that this debate will be for everybody to witness and for all the people, and in a public place,and if the debate ends with one of them lying unto the messenger of the Imam a.s,on the liar is to imprecate with the messenger of the Imam in the same place and infront of all the people "he who was destined to perish will perish by clear evidence, and he who was destined to live will live by clear evidence. surely, Allah is All-Hearing, and All-knowing."Surat AlAnfal verse42

The second group: Sayed Kamal AlHaydary,Sayed Taqi AlModaressi,and Sayed Kaathem AlHaeri.And the conditions with these scholars have the same conditions to the first,they will debate with Sheikh Naathem AlUqaili in order to make firm the origin of the call and learning its specification,and then if they needed to debate with me in the knowledge of Tafseer,I am ready with the Might of Allah and I will welcome them.And Praises due to Allah the One and Only.

Third group:Sheikh Qasem AlTa'i and Sheikh Muhammad AlYaqoobi and AlSayed Muhammad Ritha AlSistani,and these people will be debating with Sheikh Nathem AlUqaili in order to make firm the truthfulness of this call and to answer its specifications only.With all the conditions applying to the first group but without the imprecation.

'i am only ordered to worship the lord of this place, which he has made sacred, everything belongs to him. and i am ordered to be of the muslims,

and to recite the koran. whosoever is guided is only guided for himself, and to whosoever goes astray,say: 'i am only a warner. '

and say: 'praise belongs to Allah! he will show you his signs and you will recognize them. your lord is not inattentive of what you do. '

verse 91-93 Surat AlNamel

http://hashemstudios-board.com/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=5123 ------Screen shot of this from his announcement is available on the website

So yes Imam Ahmad(as) has made this challenge many years ago, and yet is still waiting for a response. So as you say they can destroy him in a debate, then why are they not accepting? Maybe your wrong.

This is the follower of Imam Ahmad Al Hassan(as) debating the wahabi on live tv, for 30 nights of ramadan:

Last year when they debated they were put to jail. Now this is what you call true defenders of Ahlul Bayt, while most of the maraja do not do any of this.

And you are telling me that the wahabis dont accept the challenge. Trust me on this debate they are always calling out the shia maraja to debate, yet the shia maraja seem to be scared to accept this challenge. They have called out the maraja many times.

[wikipedia]

lolz

[Maula Dha Mallang]

so how did the elders confirm that imam mahdi (atf) was the father?

[Ali H Syed]

The scholars who we have now, who are alive and well most of them believe in elections. Allah knows best why they do not judge this concept as haram. Maybe there is a reason behind it? political agenda? Maybe having elections brings them some sort of benefit.

Sayyid Ahmad Al Hassan Al Yamani(as) has challenged the scholars:

This is a translation from Ahmad's words calling out all the famous Shia clerics for a debate, I received this from a link in the ansar arabic room and it had a stamp from Sayed Ahmad a.s:

"And until when they came He said:Did you lie unto my signs,and you were not knowing of its knowledge,or what have you been doing"verse 84 Surat AlNamelI seek refuge to Allah and let us be aware from becoming amongst the liars unto the signs of Allah the Exalted.And we ask Allah to maintain success for the true believers,so they can be honored to serve Imam Al Mahdi a.s He is the All-Hearing and Answering.

As for this call it is directed to three groups of scholars:

The first group:Sayed Ali AlSistani,or Sayed AlMara'ashi in deputyship of Sayed AlSistani authorized with a stamp. And AlSayed Muhammad Sa'eed AlHakeem.And AlSheikh Muhammad Ishaaq AlFayaath.And the conditions of this debate with these three scholars,that this debate will be for everybody to witness and for all the people, and in a public place,and if the debate ends with one of them lying unto the messenger of the Imam a.s,on the liar is to imprecate with the messenger of the Imam in the same place and infront of all the people "he who was destined to perish will perish by clear evidence, and he who was destined to live will live by clear evidence. surely, Allah is All-Hearing, and All-knowing."Surat AlAnfal verse42

The second group: Sayed Kamal AlHaydary,Sayed Taqi AlModaressi,and Sayed Kaathem AlHaeri.And the conditions with these scholars have the same conditions to the first,they will debate with Sheikh Naathem AlUqaili in order to make firm the origin of the call and learning its specification,and then if they needed to debate with me in the knowledge of Tafseer,I am ready with the Might of Allah and I will welcome them.And Praises due to Allah the One and Only.

Third group:Sheikh Qasem AlTa'i and Sheikh Muhammad AlYaqoobi and AlSayed Muhammad Ritha AlSistani,and these people will be debating with Sheikh Nathem AlUqaili in order to make firm the truthfulness of this call and to answer its specifications only.With all the conditions applying to the first group but without the imprecation.

'i am only ordered to worship the lord of this place, which he has made sacred, everything belongs to him. and i am ordered to be of the muslims,

and to recite the koran. whosoever is guided is only guided for himself, and to whosoever goes astray,say: 'i am only a warner. '

and say: 'praise belongs to Allah! he will show you his signs and you will recognize them. your lord is not inattentive of what you do. '

verse 91-93 Surat AlNamel

http://hashemstudios...php?f=88&t=5123 ------Screen shot of this from his announcement is available on the website

So yes Imam Ahmad(as) has made this challenge many years ago, and yet is still waiting for a response. So as you say they can destroy him in a debate, then why are they not accepting? Maybe your wrong.

This is the follower of Imam Ahmad Al Hassan(as) debating the wahabi on live tv, for 30 nights of ramadan:

Last year when they debated they were put to jail. Now this is what you call true defenders of Ahlul Bayt, while most of the maraja do not do any of this.

And you are telling me that the wahabis dont accept the challenge. Trust me on this debate they are always calling out the shia maraja to debate, yet the shia maraja seem to be scared to accept this challenge. They have called out the maraja many times.

(bismillah)

once again, you miss my point. A WEBSITE. I CAN MAKE A WEBSITE AND CHALLENGE OUR SCHOLARS TO DEBATE. WE HAVE NOT EVEN SEEN THIS MAN. WAHABIS MUFTIS WILL NEVER DEBATE, the average wahabi will. go seek to debate with the grand mufti of saudi arabia, lets see what response you will get. also it really does seem that your group is only determined to ridicule our scholars, they are scared to debate wahabis now? LOL you lot are a joke.

can i just ask a simple question, if he really wants to debate a major scholar, why does he not produce a video clip of him self asking? and send it to where it needs to be sent?

and i dont know if you bothered reading ayatullah khomeinis great words, but you say ahmad respects this scholar, yet his work goes against what ahmad thinks to be haram?

[Kamranistan]

Let's see his face then we shall decide whether he is the yemeni or not :lol:

[Rasul]

I am Back :)

Where are the evidences,and research you made that you say its weak?

AnsarAllah, on 26 October 2011 - 03:34 AM, said:

Imam Jaafer a.s "Do not say that a hadeeth if it came to you as a lie if a Murji,Qadari,Huroori,who claim it to be from us,for you do not know that it can be something of truth,and so you lie on Allah swt on top of his throne" AlMahmaas Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Khaled AlBurqi v.1p.230 Ilal Al-Shara'e v.2 p.295 Murji'i,Qadari,Huroori =non shia muslim sects

It is narrated from him Sahl ibn Ziyad from Muhammad ibn Yahya from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Isa from al-Husayn ibn Sa’id from al-Nadr ibn Suwayd from ‘Asim ibn Humayd from abu Basir from (Imam) abu‘Abd Allah, recipient of divine supreme covenant, who said the following:

“Whoever may think that Allah is from things or in things or on things has become an atheist. I asked the Imam, recipient of divine supreme covenant, ‘Please explain to me.’ The Imam said, ‘I intend thereby His being contained, held or being preceded.’”

In another Hadith it is said, “Whoever believes that Allah is from things has considered Him as created. Whoever thinks that He is in things has considered Him as surrounded. Whoever thinks that He is on things has considered Him as being carried.”

Usool al-Kafi Vol 1, page 100, Hadith 329, Chapter 19, Hadith Number 9

Muhammad ibn al-Hassan has narrated from Sahl ibn Ziyad from ibn Mahbub from ‘Abd al-Rahman ibn Kathir from Dawud al-Riqqyy who said the following:

“Once I asked (Imam) abu ‘Abd Allah, recipient of divine supreme covenant, about the words of Allah, ‘. . . His Throne existed on water . . . (11:8).’ The Imam asked, ‘What do they say about it?’ I said, ‘They say that al-‘Arsh (the Throne) was on the water and the Lord was on top of it.’ The Imam then said, ‘They have said a lie. Whoever thinks as such has considered Allah as being carried and has described Him with the qualities of the creatures which means that the thing that carries Him is stronger than Him.

Usool al-Kafi Vol 1, page 104, Hadith 337, Chapter 20, Hadith Number 7

Ansar failed in Tawheed also ^_^

Edited November 1, 2011 by Rasul

[Maula Dha Mallang]

so how did the village elders confirm that imam mahdi (atf) was the awaited imam?

[Kamranistan]

so how did the village elders confirm that imam mahdi (atf) was the awaited imam?

LOL I love MDM

[YaAhmad]

Salam Ansar Almahdi,

I am Back :)

It is narrated from him Sahl ibn Ziyad from Muhammad ibn Yahya from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Isa from al-Husayn ibn Sa’id from al-Nadr ibn Suwayd from ‘Asim ibn Humayd from abu Basir from (Imam) abu‘Abd Allah, recipient of divine supreme covenant, who said the following:

“Whoever may think that Allah is from things or in things or on things has become an atheist. I asked the Imam, recipient of divine supreme covenant, ‘Please explain to me.’ The Imam said, ‘I intend thereby His being contained, held or being preceded.’”

In another Hadith it is said, “Whoever believes that Allah is from things has considered Him as created. Whoever thinks that He is in things has considered Him as surrounded. Whoever thinks that He is on things has considered Him as being carried.”

Usool al-Kafi Vol 1, page 100, Hadith 329, Chapter 19, Hadith Number 9

Muhammad ibn al-Hassan has narrated from Sahl ibn Ziyad from ibn Mahbub from ‘Abd al-Rahman ibn Kathir from Dawud al-Riqqyy who said the following:

“Once I asked (Imam) abu ‘Abd Allah, recipient of divine supreme covenant, about the words of Allah, ‘. . . His Throne existed on water . . . (11:8).’ The Imam asked, ‘What do they say about it?’ I said, ‘They say that al-‘Arsh (the Throne) was on the water and the Lord was on top of it.’ The Imam then said, ‘They have said a lie. Whoever thinks as such has considered Allah as being carried and has described Him with the qualities of the creatures which means that the thing that carries Him is stronger than Him.

Usool al-Kafi Vol 1, page 104, Hadith 337, Chapter 20, Hadith Number 7

Ansar failed in Tawheed also ^_^

So Say Allah is one (wahed)! from surah Tawheed in Holy Quran, according to your explanation this is Kufr because right now I have one (waheed) pen in my hand..and I have one laptop...there is only one bed in my room.....Holy Quran failed in Tawheed??

Please think...please...

[Maula Dha Mallang]

how did the village elders confirm imam mahdi (atf) was the father?

[Ali H Syed]

The Great Recorded Ansari Debates with the Wahabbis - it does not get more frightening than this -*they somehow represent us according to Sunni Muslims.

The Ansar Reminds me of Abu Musa Ashari, the cunning Wahabbi of Amr ibn Aas { {those familiar with Shaheed e Kufa would understand the standards I am comparing here}

The Great Recorded Ansari Debates with the Wahabbis - it does not get more frightening than this -*they somehow represent us according to Sunni Muslims.

The Ansar Reminds me of Abu Musa Ashari, the cunning Wahabbi of Amr ibn Aas { {those familiar with Shaheed e Kufa would understand the standards I am comparing here}

(bismillah)

i dont know whether i should cry from humiliation or from laughing so much, this is the representatives of ahmad? LOL, and secondly this brother debates as if its pakistani politics, no order. just noise.

[Love-Of-Islam]

Salam Ansar Almahdi,

So Say Allah is one (wahed)! from surah Tawheed in Holy Quran, according to your explanation this is Kufr because right now I have one (waheed) pen in my hand..and I have one laptop...there is only one bed in my room.....Holy Quran failed in Tawheed??

Please think...please...

still waiting for a reply, or are u running away?

[Maula Dha Mallang]

so how did the village elders confirm imam mahdi (atf) was the father of his grandmothers baby?

[Maula Dha Mallang]

If you notice, the Ansar even though he found out he got owned in the debate stubbornly behaves as if nothing happened & does not recall anything. Like Teacher-----> Like Student. Don't expect any different behavior from the Ansars here at Shiachat even if they are caught being wrong through their teeth. It is so horrifying to see some Sunnis at Youtube label him as a Shia Ayatollah while uploading this video to represent us...

only the student of a complete retard gets owned by wahabbis. like teacher, like student indeed.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

^^ hey, i got that email too :angry:

and heres me thinking theyre PMing me cos im special :( who else got the email? i just replied "why didnt the scarecrow just say "its non of my business or yours, how would i know?""

[Maula Dha Mallang]

look at what the actual dua says:

http://www.duas.org/shaban/3shaban.htm

"and also the Prophet’s Successors from his offspring will be returned after the advent of their Rising Imam and after his occultation"

look at what the ansar are saying:

Here is the specific part from the dua in arabic and english:

From - Saheb AlZamaan: p.616/Mafateeh AlJinaan: p.778 (الزّيارة الاُخرى)

“O Allah give him and his family, son, and offspring and his nation and all the subjects what makes him pleased and joyful.”

اَللّـهُمَّ اَعْطِهِ في نَفْسِهِ وَاَهْلِهِ وَوَلَدِهِ وَذُرِّيَّتِهِ وَاُمَّتِهِ وَجَميعِ رَعِيَّتِهِ ما تُقِرُّ بِهِ عَيْنَهُ

they are cutting and pasting things which do not actually exist in the dua, and using this as proof that imam mahdi (as) has offpring, and the engineer from basra must therefore be his son.

the dua is talking about the offspring of the prophet (pbuh) ie the imams

the ansar are pasting lies, and using this as proof that imam mahdi (as) has offspring.

may the curse of Allah be upon the liars.

how do you explain yourself?

[SideeqAlAkbar]

Salam alaykum,

Here is the reply for your question MAFHHZB. You said how can the Yamani be Sahib Al Amr, from this Hadith:

"From - Al Ghaibat Al Nu'mani vol2 Page270/Bihar Al Anwar vol52 page242"I said to Abi Abdullah : When is the relief/Faraj of your Shias? He said: If the children of Abbas disagreed and their authority/dominion weakened, and he takes advantage on them from whoever is not greedy and the rein is taken off the Arabs (author: the reins come off so they do what they wish), and every person raises the fort of their fortress, and the appearance (Thuhoor) of the Sufyani, and the acceptance of the Yamani, and the movement of the Hassni, emergence (Khurooj) of the companion of this matter from Madina..."ä íÚÞæÈ [Èä] ÇáÓÑÇÌ¡ ÞÇá: " ÞáÊ áÇÈí ÚÈÏÇááå(Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã): ãÊì ÝÑÌ ÔíÚÊßã¿ ÞÇá: ÅÐÇ ÇÎÊáÝ æáÏ ÇáÚÈÇÓ ææåì ÓáØÇäåã¡ æØãÚ ‏Ýíåã ãä áã íßä íØãÚ æÎáÚÊ ÇáÚÑÈ ÃÚäÊåÇ(1-Þæáå "ÎáÚÊ ÇáÚÑÈ ÃÚäÊåÇ" Ãì ÊÕíÑ ãÎáæÚÉ ÇáÚäÇä ÊÝÚá ãÇ ÊÔÇÁ.)¡ æÑÝÚ ßá Ðì ÕíÕíÉ ÕíÕíÊå¡ æÙåÑ ÇáÓÝíÇäí¡ æÃÞÈá ÇáíãÇäí¡ æÊÍÑß ‏ÇáÍÓäí¡ ÎÑÌ ÕÇÍÈ åÐÇ ÇáÇãÑ ãä ÇáãÏíäÉ Åì ãßÉ ÈÊÑÇË ÑÓæá Çááå(Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÇáå æÓáã)¡ ÞáÊ: æãÇ ÊÑÇË ÑÓæá Çááå(Õáì ‏Çááå Úáíå æÇáå æÓáã)¿ ÝÞÇá: ÓíÝå¡ æÏÑÚå¡ æÚãÇãÊå¡ æÈÑÏå¡ æÑÇíÊå¡ æÞÖíÈå¡ æÝÑÓå¡ æáÇãÊå(2-áÇãÉ ÇáÍÑÈ: ÃÏÇÊå.) æÓÑÌå".‏

Sahib Al Amr could be more than one person, and attributed to different people in different Hadith. There are other titles like this, and there are titles that are only for one person (Amir al-Mu'mineen as is only for Imam Ali as). Another title that is for more than person is Al-Qai'm, I think this Hadith is quite popularly used to counter Waqifs "We are all Qai'ms", I found it the other day but no luck today maybe someone else can post it. So Sahib Al Amr could be a title for one person or for more than one.

Walaykum al salam

[Maula Dha Mallang]

Sahib Al Amr could be more than one person,

no it couldnt. what an ignorant thing to say.

while you are here though,how did the village elders confirm that imam mahdi (atf) fathered a son with a woman from their village?

[Rasul]

All my researches showed Ahmad Al-Hassan is Dajjal!!!

[Maula Dha Mallang]

- how do you know an ansar of ahmad al gheeta has read a book?

- they arent an ansar of ahmad gheeta any more.

[Abu_zar]

Why not add Ayatollah Sistani to their Blessings List as well? Why not start making fun of Ayatollah Khomeini in their Arrived series? A good episode 14 will do ;)

What are you talking about? Adding any living scholar is dangerous because he can speak his mind. How would it look for someone who add a living ayatollah in his list of blessings and the ayatollah comes out openly and denounces the person. This risk does not arise if the list contains only 4 or 5 dead scholars.Please do not take it personally. This policy is not against your beloved Ayatollah Seestani. There are 100-150 grand scholars in Wikipedia. None of them qualifies for the list of blessing for two reasons. First, scholars always fail to understand their view point and it is necessary not to have much knowledge to join their group. Second unlike dead scholars, living scholars are capable of responding to this issue and therefore dangerous.

Abuzar

[Abu_zar]

Who did Allah made ashraful makhlooqat? Human being (neither shias nor muslims but human being.

Why did Allah make humans ashraful makhlooqat? Because of his ability to intellectually interpret the facts, put everything at its place and do excellent decision making. Not because he would copy and insist on illogical statements being correct simply because the narrators have been in line of their own faith.

And man did all this. He invented so many things, flying objects, stored electricity, lit huge buildings, transformed hot and cold climates into locally comfortable weather, invented vehicles to travel fast, phones, computers, internet and wifi, to communicate all over the world, discovered great theories of classical physics, relativity, quantum physics, uncertainty principle, laws of thermodynamics, discovered elements and their bonds and combinations, found the wonders of subatomic world, discovered the microscopic living objects causing infection and found their and other disease's treatment, discovered and developed organ transplantation, anaesthesia, operations, pain killers, stem cell therapy, genetic engineering. He learnt socialising and developing cultures and civilisation. He learnt to derive lessons from history and developed laws to tell us the direction a particular set of events will take. He developed theories of truth, rationalism, empiricism, pragmatism and so on.

I find that Islam, in particular Quran and Nehjul Balagha particularly give messages that knowledge, intellect and thinking faculties must be given supreme values when analysing and efforts made to reach the bottom of the truth.

Hence I do not think that dreams or visions should be made basis for religious believes, nor I accept that istikhara will tell you if you should follow a particular person or ideology.

We are all aware of lucid dreaming where all sort of dreams can be seen, sometimes even techniques are used to see a dream. I also do not find it in line with Quranic teachings or logic when people say that if someone comes in dream and claims or gives impression of being a prophet or imam, the he has to be a prophet or imam. Apart from some weak ahdith, this is not proven by Quran and it is also against scientific understanding of human mind and brain. It is also against common sense.

The dreams seen by infallibles or interpreted by them are of course different from dreams seen or interpreted by any Tom, Richard and harry, no matter what or who he sees.

Hence I disagree with statements like the followings:

“When a woman sent him (Mr. Ahmad Al-Hassan) a question about the shortest way of knowing if Imam Ahmad Al-Hassan is right, He said:

“The shortest way to believe in the unseen is the unseen (Ghaib), ask Allah after you fast three days and make Tawassul by the righteousness of Fatima bint Mohammed (sua) to know the right from Allah by Roaya (vision seen in sleep mentioned many in Quran especially Surat Yousef), or Kashif (same as Roaya but while you are awake) or by any Aya from His Al-Might's Ghaib Malakoot Ayat.”

Similarly I see that people are making "efforts" redundant and replacing them with istikhara. This is in total contradiction to Quran which say that "Allah does not change the state of a nation, unless it makes efforts to do so", similarly it is said that "it is up to me to make efforts and up to God to grant success", or "human being does not get except what he strives for" etc. etc.

Hence I believe that seeing istikhara like opening Quran or using tasbeeh for istikhar are wrong until full efforts have not been made.

Basing one's beliefs on istikhara is totally wrong. If it made any sense, Hazrat Ali a.s would have asked people at the time of wars of Jamal and safeen to see istikhara and base their beliefs on outcome. He did not. Imam Husain a.s also did not. No imam of prophet asked for such a thing because this is against God's teaching.

Human being must use knowledge, intellect and wisdom to analyse and reach decision. If someone claims to be an infallible, the onus lies on him to prove and make progress on following 4 fronts:

1. That he has ilm e ladunni and he knows languages and facts that he should not be knowing.

2. That he is aware of entire human progress in science, technology, philosophy and social sciences and discuss with experts of each faculty based on knowledge and books of that faculty (like imam Ali a.s and other imams claim that they will argue with people of other religions based on books of God brought by their own prophets).

3. That he makes a great difference in advancement of human knowledge and provide guidance about dark matter, dark energy, overcoming the problems of rejection in transplantation, breakthrough treatment for viral infection and cancers, uniting the electromagnetic and weak nuclear forces with strong nuclear forces and gravitational forces, amalgamating the quantum and classical physics, and other mysteries surrounding mankind of 21st century.

4. That he fights and at least begins to defeat the exploiting imperialistic forces.

Please do not use dream technique (even if you have seen divine personalities in your dream, it could be lucid dream and does not prove anything) and istikhara as the modern scientific world is well aware of the limitation of these illogical arguments and nobody will take you seriously otherwise.

[Ali H Syed]

(bismillah)

yeh but do dismiss them, is something else, on a personal level, they may be enough, but to try and convince people, its the wrong way, for example with dreams, iv had some, which are clear cut messages, but i to actually try and make some one believe me, cannot be done by me simply telling them the dream came to me....

but apart from this, ahmad the fake has been exposed fully and im glad these stupid followers of his are gone as well

[DoubleAgent4]

Finally! Now I know why this thread is so popular! On paltalk I went into the 'saviour' room and got exposed to their beliefs. They gave me some links and a youtube video of Ahmad al Hassan giving a lecture. Inshallah when I have time I'll read all 34 pages lol.

http://the-savior.com/home/

http://www.almahdyoon.org/

http://www.hashemstu...hp?f=118&t=5477

[Rasul]

Are "ansars" on vacation?.... Where are they?

[Aly ReZa]

is he dead or alive ?????????

[Shia_Debater]

Are "ansars" on vacation?.... Where are they?

(salam)

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/forum-80/announcement-12-blasphemy-rule/

[Abu_zar]

I have a question for all.

I have seen that all the learned people of the camp opposing Islamic/shiite beliefs name some scholars/leaders/clerics of shiite nation and argue against them. But I have not read/heard any western/anti islamic philosopher/leader/cleric/writer even mentioning Mr. Ahmad al Hassan. Even if I may have missed one or two such occasion, they are still far less than, for example Ahmedi Najjad, Ayatollah Khomeinei, Ayatollah Khomeini, Ayatollah Seestani etc.

It has been about a decade since Mr. Ahmad al Hassan started his work. Yet he has not even been recognised in literary/political circles is something very worrying. If he claims to be superior to people mentioned above, he must have attained more recognition than them. But the fact is that his recognition is practically non-existant.

Can someone please tell me why?????

Abuzar

[Rasul]

(salam)

http://www.shiachat....blasphemy-rule/

Thanks

[Abu Hadi]

Their beliefs are totally incoherent and when They are challenged on a certain point They Either post many pages of weak and mistranslated ahadith or They Run away and Start another thread or reregister with a different User name. They are here to try and pull in ignorant shia who could be fooled by someone who cps alot of weak ahadith.

[Rasul]

lol They created new sect...

[Abu Muslim]

How can anyone follow a man who has never shown his face? We do not have a single lecture from him. Nothing. Just letters....

[md. ammar ali]

i never heard of this man

but definetely he seems to b a liar and impostor

waiting for imam mahdi a.s