Who Is Ahmad Al Hassan?

[Ali H Syed]

I guess banning him was easier than answering his question: How do any of you plan to recognise the Yamani mentioned in the hadiths?

Especially as you have been saying he’s not going to come with anything out of the ordinary. MDM you have even been given the meaning of alif lam meem, but disregarded it as a pretend meaning, whatever that means.

How would you confirm the identity of the Yamani?

(bismillah)

brother through hadith there are so many distinct signs! this ahmad guy hardly held any of them! at all! its a pathetic attempt of a claim.....

[Maula Dha Mallang]

I MDM you have even been given the meaning of alif lam meem, but disregarded it as a pretend meaning, whatever that means.

How would you confirm the identity of the Yamani?

i would not ask a question i did not know the answer to myself. the correct answer i was looking for, was "this knowledge will be revealed by the awaited imam, hujja ibn hassan, upon his rise".

anyone claiming to know its meaning is therefore an imposter.

i caught you all out, you bunch of numptys.

i will recognise the imam by alef laam meem. recognising the yamani is focusing away from centre stage.

[SD2]

Recognizing the Yamani (a.s) is mandatory, as explained by Imam Muhammad Baqir (a.s):

Al-Imam Al-Baqir "There is no banner better than that of the banner of Yamani, it is the banner of faith and dedication, because he calls to your possessor, so if the Yamani comes out, selling weapons to people or any Muslim becomes prohibited, and if the Yamani appears, stand up to him, because his banner is the banner of faith, and it is prohibited for any Muslim to turn away from him, and who ever turns away from him, then he's from the people of hell, because he (Yemeni) calls to the truth and to the right path). Al-Ghaybah - Mohammad Ibn Ibrahim A' Noâmani p. 264.

The scholars of the end times are evil, and they are those who claim to be Shia, otherwise why would the people of Kufa be the ones who say "We do not need the sons of Fatima (s.a)"?

I would recognize the Yamani by:

Ahadith

Peace and dignity of the claimant

Knowledge of the claimant

Dreams of the Infallible ones (a.s) telling us to give Bayat to him

Istakhara if i'm still confused

After going through all these levels i am thoroughly satisfied that Imam Ahmad (a.s) is the Yamani, who calls towards Imam Mahdi (a.s). Their banners are the same. We need to give Bayat to Yamani Ahmad (a.s). Or spend an eternity in hell. Factually speaking, according to the Infallible ones (a.s) who came in the dreams.

Call me a liar all you want, i tell you they have.

Fi Aman Illah

And lets say we follow the banner of Yamani. Who do we get religious rulings from? Ahmad al hassan?

Also where is the proof that the imams (as) told anyone in their dream to give bayah to ahmed al hassan

Also where is the proof that hes name is even ahmad al hassan isnt it ahmad ismail gata?

[Qasimi]

This Ahmad Al-Hasan guy needs to reveal himself. he seems to be hiding all the time

[Maula Dha Mallang]

there is no proof ahmad gheeta even exists or lives.

unless you guys want to prove me wrong.....?

[GreenLantern]

i will recognise the imam by alef laam meem. recognising the yamani is focusing away from centre stage.

How will you know it's the true meaning? esp since you have already disregarded it. You might do the same to the Imam a.s.

The Yamani a.s. calls to Imam Mahdi a.s., that is the reason for his appearance. So how is it taking focus away?

Besides, pledging allegiance to anyone before the reappearance of the 12th Imam(a) is forbidden, and the 12th Imam(a) himself ordered to denounce such messengers before Sufyani and Call from the Sky as slanderous liars in an authentic hadith.

Imam al Baqirs a.s. hadith states otherwise:

"There is no banner better than that of the banner of Yamani, it is the banner of faith and dedication, because he calls to your possessor, so if the Yamani comes out, selling weapons to people or any Muslim becomes prohibited, and if the Yamani appears, stand up to him, because he's banner is the banner of faith, and its prohibited for any Muslim to turn away from him, and who ever turns away from him, then he's from the people of hell, because he calls to the truth and to the path that is Mustaqeem(straight)). Al-Ghaybah - Mohammad Ibn Ibrahim A' Noâmani p. 264.

The hadith clearly states Yamani's a.s. emergence will precede Imam Mahdi a.s., and orders people to follow the call.

[Love-Of-Islam]

^ u ansar cant provide proof just compare things with not comparable things, to prove Ahmad is right

[Maula Dha Mallang]

How will you know it's the true meaning? esp since you have already disregarded it. You might do the same to the Imam a.s.

(1) there has been no call from the sky

(2) the sufiyani has not risen

(3) many of the major signs have not occurred

(4) he has not announced his zuhoor to the world

(5) he has not revealed it in person, as the son of hassan al askiri (as)

(6) he will return with artifacts such as the zulfiqar

are they enough points? or do you want more?

[Philip]

just wondering: did anybody pray for Allah to send him/her truth concerning this??? .. as is claimed to be "shortest path" to knowing it's him??

i am planning to start from today .. 3 days in a row right?? so today, tomorrow, after tomorrow inshaAllah .. so by wednesday will share my results with you guys .. hope other people do the same, so that we give this argument a chance as well .. especially it being an argument linked to Allah revealing the truth to us ..

(salam)

[Maula Dha Mallang]

just wondering: did anybody pray for Allah to send him/her truth concerning this??? .. as is claimed to be "shortest path" to knowing it's him??

i am planning to start from today .. 3 days in a row right?? so today, tomorrow, after tomorrow inshaAllah .. so by wednesday will share my results with you guys .. hope other people do the same, so that we give this argument a chance as well .. especially it being an argument linked to Allah revealing the truth to us ..

(salam)

great idea. i will join you. how do we do it?

[Maula Dha Mallang]

its interesting how ahmad gheeta hates ayatollah sistani for "not working" yet as far as i am aware he has done nothing whatsoever of any merit in his life, hides like a coward and gets his ansar to fight his fights.

he is a hypocrite.

[Philip]

great idea. i will join you. how do we do it?

brother,

i am planning to make it as simple as possible. dedicate 3 prayers (3 X 2 rakaa) for Allah to reveal the truth concerning this. One every day .. at night time, so maybe we can have vision about it while sleeping.

think it's ok?

[Maula Dha Mallang]

brother,

i am planning to make it as simple as possible. dedicate 3 prayers (3 X 2 rakaa) for Allah to reveal the truth concerning this. One every day .. at night time, so maybe we can have vision about it while sleeping.

think it's ok?

sounds like a plan bro

[SD2]

brother,

i am planning to make it as simple as possible. dedicate 3 prayers (3 X 2 rakaa) for Allah to reveal the truth concerning this. One every day .. at night time, so maybe we can have vision about it while sleeping.

think it's ok?

I'll try do it too insha'Allah

[Philip]

OK brothers Maula Dha Mallang and SD2 .. :) sounds like a plan.

[GreenLantern]

so that we give this argument a chance as well .. especially it being an argument linked to Allah revealing the truth to us ..

This may be of help to you:

http://www.hashemstu...php?f=88&t=4273

Many brothers and sisters have been given clear signs when they asked Allah swt about this matter.

Also as this issue is of great importance linking to Imam Mahdi a.s. and the signs of the appearance, it is only right that you take the time to investigate it.

"O you who believe, if you go forth in the cause of God, you shall investigate carefully. And do not say to those who greet you with peace: “You are not a believer!” You are seeking the vanity of this world; but with God are many riches. That is how you were before, but God favoured you, so investigate carefully. God is expert over what you do." [The Holy Qur'an 4:94]

May Allah swt guide and support each step you take towards Him.

Edited October 9, 2011 by GreenLantern

[Rasul]

Ansar of Ahmed al-Hassan

Why you don't talk about Khorasani?

[Rasul]

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Ikmāl al-Dīn: ‘Abd al-‘Adhīm al-Hasani says, I entered upon my master Muhammad Ibn ‘Ali (a.s) intending to ask him about the Qā'im whether he is the Mahdi or someone else. However, he initiated the topic before I brought it up, saying, “O’ Abu al-Qāsim, the Qā'im from us and he is the Mahdi. It is obligatory to wait for him in his occultation and to obey him in his appearance. He is the third from my sons. By the One Who sent Muhammad with Prophethood and distinguished us through Imamate, even if it does not remain from the world but a single day, Allah will prolong that day until he rises. He will fill the earth with equity and justice, as it will be replete with injustice and oppression. Allah, the Exalted, will rectify his order in one night, as He rectified the order of His Converser Moses (a.s) who went to fetch some fire for his family and returned a prophet, an apostle.” Then he said, “The best action of our Shī‘a is to wait for the salvation.”

The Book of Occultation by Allamah Muhammad Baqir al-Majlisi

[Rasul]

Narrated to us Ahmad bin Ziyad bin Ja’far Hamdani: Narrated to us Ali bin Ibrahim bin Hashim from his father from Abdus Salam bin Salih Harawi that he said: Informed us Waki bin Jarrah from Rabi bin Saad from Abdur Rahman bin Salit that he said: Husain Ibne Ali Ibne Abi Talib (a.s.) said:

“From us there are twelve Mahdis, the first of whom is Amirul Momineen Ali Ibne Abi Talib (a.s.) and the last of whom is my ninth descendant. And he is truly the Imam al-Qaim. Allah will enliven the earth after its death through him. And through him triumph His religion over all the religions even if the polytheists may dislike this. There will be occultation for him during which communities will apostize but others will remain steadfast on religion. They will be tortured and told: If you are true when will this promise be fulfilled? Know that one who observes patience during those tribulations will be like one who fights the holy war under the command of the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.).”

Kamal Al-Deen Volume 2, Chapter 30, page 1, Hadith Number 3 by Shaykh A-Saduq

[SD2]

Narrated to us Ahmad bin Ziyad bin Ja’far Hamdani: Narrated to us Ali bin Ibrahim bin Hashim from his father from Abdus Salam bin Salih Harawi that he said: Informed us Waki bin Jarrah from Rabi bin Saad from Abdur Rahman bin Salit that he said: Husain Ibne Ali Ibne Abi Talib (a.s.) said:

“From us there are twelve Mahdis, the first of whom is Amirul Momineen Ali Ibne Abi Talib (a.s.) and the last of whom is my ninth descendant. And he is truly the Imam al-Qaim. Allah will enliven the earth after its death through him. And through him triumph His religion over all the religions even if the polytheists may dislike this. There will be occultation for him during which communities will apostize but others will remain steadfast on religion. They will be tortured and told: If you are true when will this promise be fulfilled? Know that one who observes patience during those tribulations will be like one who fights the holy war under the command of the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.).”

Kamal Al-Deen Volume 2, Chapter 30, page 1, Hadith Number 3 by Shaykh A-Saduq

Bro I posted this hadeeth too. I don't know why people keep rejecting the stuff we post proving that Ahmed Hassan isn't the yamani, keep it up bro ^_^

[Maula Dha Mallang]

[17.81] And say: The truth has come and the falsehood has vanished; surely falsehood is a vanishing (thing).

[Rasul]

Bro I posted this hadeeth too. I don't know why people keep rejecting the stuff we post proving that Ahmed Hassan isn't the yamani, keep it up bro ^_^

inshAllah they will open their eyes and see the truth :)

[17.81] And say: The truth has come and the falsehood has vanished; surely falsehood is a vanishing (thing).

So true said; Allahu Akbar!

[Rasul]

Ansar of Ahmad al-Hassan you claim that Ahmad al-Hassan will carry a sword on his shoulder 8 months

Narrated to us my father (r.a.): Narrated to us Muhammad bin Yahya al-Attar: Narrated to us Ja’far bin Muhammad bin Malik: Narrated to me Hamadan bin Mansur from´Saad bin Muhammad from Isa Khashshab that he said:

“I asked Husain bin Ali (a.s.): Are you the master of this affair? He replied:‘No, the master of the affair is that same ‘Tareed’ and ‘Shareed’1 who is the motor and revenger for his father, who is having the patronymic of his uncle and who would carry his sword on his shoulders for eight months.”

Kamal Al-Deen Volume 2, Chapter 30, page 2, Hadith Number 5 by Shaykh A-Saduq

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1 Tareed and Shareed are titles of our Master, His Eminence Hujjat (a.s.).

[GreenLantern]

Ansar of Ahmed al-Hassan

Why you don't talk about Khorasani?

Out of the three banners we were told to follow Yamani a.s., that is why the focus on the Yamani and the narrations match Ahmad al Hassan a.s. As for the Khorasani although he has also been mentioned, we were not told to follow it by the Imams a.s., telling us that the Yamani's banner is the most righteous one.

Prophet of Allah pbuhap said:"And a man from the East with small black flags to kill the man of Sham,and he is the one that obeys the Mahdi a.s" AlMahdi Al Mawood AlMuntather door 30 p.328

It is obligatory to wait for him in his occultation and to obey him in his appearance.

The Yamani who guides to the Imam a.s. and his appearance is a sign of the Imam a.s. coming. Think about it Imam Mahdi a.s. isn't going to come to organise from square one, there has to be someone preparing the groundwork getting the people ready before he a.s. comes. Wait doesn't mean to sit and be waiting for Imam Mahdi a.s. to show, when his representative is here. We would not have been told to follow someone before Imam Mahdi's a.s. coming if that was the case.

Ansar of Ahmad al-Hassan you claim that Ahmad al-Hassan will carry a sword on his shoulder 8 months

“A man will come out before the Mahdi from his ahlulbayt (family) in the East, he carries the sword on his shoulder for eight months; killing and mutilating; and he goes towards Baytul Maqdis (Quds) and he does not reach it until he dies.

v.7 p.261 Kanz Al Umal

From AbdulAla son of Haseen AlThalabi from his father he said:I found Aba Jaafer Muhammad

son of Ali pbu them in the Haj or Umra and so I said to him:I have aged,and my bones have

become weak,can you give me a promise and tell me when is the appearance?He said:It is

the homeless one(Shareed),the abandoned(Tareed),the lonely,and only person,the only one

whose from his family,who is Mawtoor by his father,his nickname is his uncles,he is the

man of the banners,and his name is a Prophets name.

Imama WalTabsir Li'Ibn Babooya AlQumi p.115

The Yamani is the man before the Mahdi a.s. He is the man of the banners the Tareed, the Shareed, Mawtoor and has a Prophet's name (Ahmad) a.s.

Edited October 11, 2011 by GreenLantern

[Love-Of-Islam]

"From AbdulAla son of Haseen AlThalabi from his father he said:I found Aba Jaafer Muhammad

son of Ali pbu them in the Haj or Umra and so I said to him:I have aged,and my bones have

become weak,can you give me a promise and tell me when is the appearance?He said:It is

the homeless one(Shareed),the abandoned(Tareed),the lonely,and only person,the only one

whose from his family,who is Mawtoor by his father,his nickname is his uncles,he is the

man of the banners,and his name is a Prophets name.

Imama WalTabsir Li'Ibn Babooya AlQumi p.115"

u do know that imam mahdi (as) name is muhammed as well as ahmad? Ansar are big liars the hadith u posted exposed u and ur ppl, when it mention his name is prophet name it applies to imam mahdi (as) not the yamani. It goes to show that how ansar twist hadiths for their own use

[Ali H Syed]

(bismillah)

the things these ahmad guys are not understanding is this:

al-yamani is a sign of imam mahdi as return, he will be a righteous man, pious etc etc

BUT SIMPLY AHMAD DOES NOT FIT THE HADITH OR THE SIGNS OF THE YAMANI!

THIS MAN IS IN HIDING WITH NO PROOF BUT WORDS AND A WEBSITE

[GreenLantern]

u do know that imam mahdi (as) name is muhammed as well as ahmad? Ansar are big liars the hadith u posted exposed u and ur ppl, when it mention his name is prophet name it applies to imam mahdi (as) not the yamani. It goes to show that how ansar twist hadiths for their own use

You need to look at all the hadith together not just one. Someone will appear before the Imam Mahdi is stated in the first hadith, we are not talking about Imam Mahdi a.s. but a different person. The second narration mentions the person with a banner. There is only one banner that has been mentioned as the best banner and that is Yamani a.s., because he calls to Imam Mahdi a.s.

Al-Imam Al-Baqir "There is no banner better than that of the banner of Yamani, it is the banner of faith and dedication, because he calls to your possessor,"

“A man will come out before the Mahdi from his ahlulbayt (family) in the East, he carries the sword on his shoulder for eight months; killing and mutilating; and he goes towards Baytul Maqdis (Quds) and he does not reach it until he dies.

v.7 p.261 Kanz Al Umal

You are proposing that it is Imam Mahdi who is being discussed but the above shows it is not. Because Imam Mahdi a.s. cannot precede himself. The man is Ahmad al Hassan a.s.

Edited October 11, 2011 by GreenLantern

[Rasul]

Narrated to us Muhammad bin Muhammad bin Isaam (r.a.) that he said: Narrated to us Muhammad bin Yaqoob Kulaini: Narrated to us Qasim bin Alaa: Narrated to me Ismail bin Ali Qazwini: Narrated to me Ali Ibne Ismail from Asim bin Humaid Hannat from Muhammad bin Muslim Thaqafi that he said: I heard Aba Ja’far Muhammad bin Ali al-Baqir (a.s.) say:

“The Qaim from us will be aided by awe and helped with divine assistance.The earth will fold up for him and the treasures will be exposed for him. His dominions will be in the east and the west and through him will Allah, the Mighty and Sublime make His religion dominate over all religions even though the polytheists hate this. Then no ruin will remain in the earth but that he will restore it. And the spirit of Allah, Isa bin Maryam (a.s.) will come down and pray behind him. I said: O son of Allah’s Messenger, when will your Qaim appear?

He replied: When the men will resemble women and women will resemble men.When men will satisfy their lusts with men and women with women. When women will ride horses. False testimony will be accepted and true testimony will be obstructed. Murder will be considered a minor thing. Adultery and usury will be common. People will fear the talks of the evil people. Sufyani will arise from Shaam and Yamani will appear from Yemen. The Baida desert will sink. A youth from Aale Muhammad will be killed between the Rukn and Maqam. He will be Muhammad bin Hasan Nafs-e-Zakiyyah. A call will come from the sky that the truth is with him and with all the Shias. At that time will arise our Qaim. When he reappears he would lean on the Kaaba and three hundred and thirteen men would reach him, and the first words he speaks would be:

بَقِيَّةُ اللّهِ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ

“What remains with Allah is better for you if you are believers…”1

Then he would say: I am the remnant of Allah on the earth and the vicegerent of God and His Divine Proof upon you. Then no Muslim would greet him except by the words:

“Peace be on you, O the remnant of Allah on His earth.”

And when the number of his supporters reaches one Iqd, that is 10000 men, he would set out. Then no deity except Allah, the Mighty and Sublime would remain on the earth. Idols, statutes and such other things would be destroyed, and fire would rise up among them; and this would come to pass after a prolonged occultation till the Almighty Allah knows who brings faith during the occultation and who obeys.”

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1 Surah Hud 11:86

Kamal Al-Deen Volume 2, Chapter 32, page 13 & 14, Hadith Number 16 by Shaykh A-Saduq

Edited October 11, 2011 by Rasul

[Love-Of-Islam]

You need to look at all the hadith together not just one. Someone will appear before the Imam Mahdi is stated in the first hadith, we are not talking about Imam Mahdi a.s. but a different person. The second narration mentions the person with a banner. There is only one banner that has been mentioned as the best banner and that is Yamani a.s., because he calls to Imam Mahdi a.s.

Al-Imam Al-Baqir "There is no banner better than that of the banner of Yamani, it is the banner of faith and dedication, because he calls to your possessor,"

“A man will come out before the Mahdi from his ahlulbayt (family) in the East, he carries the sword on his shoulder for eight months; killing and mutilating; and he goes towards Baytul Maqdis (Quds) and he does not reach it until he dies.

v.7 p.261 Kanz Al Umal

You are proposing that it is Imam Mahdi who is being discussed but the above shows it is not. Because Imam Mahdi a.s. cannot precede himself. The man is Ahmad al Hassan a.s.

i have nothing against the first one but the second one applies to imam mahdi (as) not yamani. ahmad does not carry the sword neither does he do anything beside just hide, also he is not from yemen.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

greenlatern have you ever met him?

[Philip]

^^^ Maula Dha Mallang,

btw .. remember we said that we'd make 3 prayers in 3 days for Allah to reveal the truth??

well i did the first 2 days .. then yesterday i forgot .. and it was kind of subconsciously on purpose.

i have a feeling it's wrong to ask Allah to clarify something that's already clear, or?

so not quite sure yet if i'll make the third prayer today or not .. but i fear Allah too much somehow .. i mean .. if my intelligence is insulted by this whole thing .. imagine Allah's SWT intelligence

i don't know, but this whole thing is so ridiculous .. and i hope to God that the people calling themselves "ansars" wake up and see the baseless claims they make.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

two nights ago i dreamt of a big spider.

last night i dreamt i was teaching my baby cousin chemistry, and later on that i was too fat.

can the ansar of ahmad gheeta please translate these dreams about how they guide me towards him?

[Rasul]

Narrated to us Muhammad bin Ali Majilaway and Muhammad bin Musa bin Mutawakkil - May Allah be pleased with them - they said: Narrated to us Muhammad bin Yahya al-Attar from Muhammad bin Hasan as-Saffar from Abi Talib Abdullah Ibne Salt Qummi from Uthman bin Isa from Sama-a bin Mehran that he said:

“I, Abu Baseer and Muhammad bin Imran, slave of Abu Ja’far (a.s.) were in a house in Mecca. Muhammad bin Imran said: I heard Abi Abdullah (a.s.) say: We are the twelve Mahdis. Abu Baseer asked: Did you really hear this from Abi Abdullah (a.s.)? He swore once or twice that he had heard it from him. Abu Baseer said: But I have heard it from Abu Ja’far (a.s.).”

A similar tradition is narrated to us by Muhammad bin Hasan bin Ahmad bin Walid(r.a.) that he said: Narrated to us Muhammad bin Hasan as-Saffar from Abi Talib Abdullah bin Salt al-Qummi from Uthman bin Isa from Samaa-a bin Mehran.

Kamal Al-Deen Volume 2, Chapter 33, page 16 & 17 Hadith Number 6 by Shaykh A-Saduq

[insha]

Someone asked if there was proof Ahmed Ismail Gata existed; the best evidence I can give is the links I provided from the WUP forum. There are several major and many minor news agencies that reported about him. It still isn't clear if Diyah Abdul Zahra (sic?) and Ahmed Ismail Gata are the same or different people. His ansars have shown that he has admitted that former members of Jund Al Samah are amongst their ranks. He just claims they are nonviolent.

Let's ask him about Red Friday.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

Let's ask him about Red Friday.

lets look at the facts bro

- diya abdul zahra (curse of Allah upon him) claimed to be mahdi

- ahmad gheeta (may he die on the toilet) claims to be mahdi

- diya abdul zahra (curse of Allah upon him) claimed ilm e ghayb

- ahmad gheeta (may he die on the toilet) claims ilm e ghayb

- diya abdul zahra (curse of Allah upon him) has basra/ iraq based followers

- ahmad gheeta (may he die on the toilet) has basra/ iraq based followers

- diya abdul zahra (curse of Allah upon him) heads a messianic cult

- ahmad gheeta (may he die on the toilet) heads a messianic cult

ok, this is where it gets interesting:

- we have pictures of diya abdul zahra (curse of Allah upon him)

- we have no pictures of ahmad al hassan (may he die on the toilet)

- we have no evidence that diya abdul zahra (curse of Allah upon him) actually died other than word of mouth

- there was no mention of ahmad al hassan (may he die on the toilet) before the supposed death of diya abdul zahra (curse of Allah upon him)

- after his supposed death, subhanallah ahmad al hassan (may he die on the toilet) springs up and forms an unbroken chain of messianic messages, continuing where the first apparantently left off.

my theory is that diya abdul zahra (curse of Allah upon him) realised he could not get wider aceptance by claiming to be the mahdi, so faked his death and reinvented himself as the so called "yamani" which was harder to disprove, therefore easier for simple minded shia to accept, and changed his name.

it all ties up beautifully.

- this explains why no one ever saw diya abdul zahra (curse of Allah upon him) dead body

- this explains why there was no mention of ahmad al hassan before his death

- this explains why there is a continuous chain of messianic messages between the two

- this explains why ahmad al hassan will never show his face - because he will be recognised as diya abdul zahra

- this explains why he is so desperate to pass himself off as the yamani, not the mahdi

it explains everything.

what do you think?

ahmad hassan = diya abdul zahra.

mind = blown

:huh: