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Ahmadinejad hails Cyrus Cylinder

Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:19PM

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad lauds the Cyrus Cylinder as the embodiment of human values and a cultural heritage for all humanity.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/142251.html

Cyrus was politically shrewd, modeling himself as the "savior" of conquered nations. To reinforce this image, he instituted policies of religious freedom, and restored temples and other infrastructure in the newly acquired cities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire

...where have we seen this before? Oh yes, the modern-day 'liberators' and champions of 'freedom' and 'democracy'. The shaytan saviors will let you do anything - as long as you bow to them and their self-serving 'rule of law'.

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There are no nationalistic motivations behind the president's celebration of the Kourosh cylinder.

What he is doing is reclaiming the history of our country, which has been hijacked by anti-Islamic "Persian nationalists."

Also, to celebrate this is to celebrate Eastern civilization. We can't let the West use the fruits of past Eastern civilization to undermine Eastern civilization today.

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Contrary to the claims of the 'racially superior' and ethnocentric Orientalists, Eastern societies in ancient past had sophisticated systems of governance, law regimes, culture and high civilisation. Cyrus Cylinder is proof positive of that. It is good to see Westerns moving toward a balanced view of history, at least in the last few decades, from the Orientalist nonsense that considered Athens and Sparta as the peak of human civilisation while the Persian Empire, and the rest in the East, as evil barbarians. This is what this Cylinder is all about, that is, appreciating the complex and multi-layered history of an ancient land. No one is celebrating Cyrus's "Persian Imperialism" as you put it. It is stupid to tar the past with the brush of today and compare Persian Empire in any way with the modern neo-imperialism.

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Everyone will learn the hard way...

Iranian cleric wants to see creation of 'Greater Iran' to rule over Mideast, Central Asia

Ayatollah Mohammad Bagher Kharrazi says advocating creation of what he calls an Islamic United States is a central aim of the political party he leads called Hezbollah, or Party of God.

AP

Published: 17:58 May 15, 2010

Tehran: A radical cleric is pushing for the creation of a "Greater Iran" that would rule over the entire Middle East and Central Asia.

Ayatollah Mohammad Bagher Kharrazi says advocating creation of what he calls an Islamic United States is a central aim of the political party he leads called Hezbollah, or Party of God.

Kharrazi is not particularly influential in Iran's clerical hierarchy and does not represent the Iranian government. But his comments reveal the thinking of a growing number of hardliners in Iran, many of whom have become more radical during the postelection political crisis and the international standoff over the country's nuclear program.

Kharrazi's comments were published on Saturday in his newspaper, Hezbollah.

http://gulfnews.com/news/region/iran/iranian-cleric-wants-to-see-creation-of-greater-iran-to-rule-over-mideast-central-asia-1.627204?localLinksEnabled=false

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Kharrazi is not particularly influential in Iran's clerical hierarchy and does not represent the Iranian government.

Did you not read this part? ^^^

Moreover, I am fairly certain that AP took liberties when choosing the title. If the guy is advocating an "Islamic United States," then that wouldn't be a "Greater Iran" so much as it would be a Union or Federation of states with Iran being one of its members.

It's very interesting how different people of radically different political persuasions can all unite in one common cause: to slander the triumphant Islamic Revolution and its beautiful child, the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Ya Ali

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Well there's no harm in knowing your roots and appreciating your history.

At least that way you can shut the jealous Arabs up every time one of them decides to speak badly of the 'filthy' Ajam (Persians).

Yes the Persians are Aryan. Iran is Land of the Aryans and that also includes the other native Iranian ethnic groups: Pashtun, Balochi, Kurd, Mazandari, Gilaki, Lur, etc.

No problem with being proud of your history. The Persians did liberate the Jews from Babylonian captivity and it was mentioned in Jewish scriptures (Torah if I'm not mistaken), thus making Cyrus the Great the only non-Jew to be mentioned in Jewish scriptures.

The Aryans and Jews always had good relationships with one-another, with exception to Nazi Germany, which unfortunately led a lot of modern-day White Nationalists into thinking that Jews are their enemies.

Speaking of 'Aryan', it's just a fancier way of saying Indo-European. Look at the Persian language today, it's by no means a Semitic language like Hebrew or Arabic. Instead, it is an Indo-European language with striking similarities between itself and many modern-day languages in Europe, including German, English, Russian, Spanish, etc. Take for instance small words like 'father', 'mother', 'daughter', etc and see how strikingly similar they are when said in Persian. Take also for example the grammatical rules and foundations that make most Indo-European languages similar to one-another.

I think it's good for Iranians to know about their history, race and roots. Why? Because look around you. The Arabs have become so nationalistic and so anti-Persian, the Turkic peoples have also become pan-Turkic and anti-anything-else. If Persians don't become aware of their culture then they can easily be squashed by both the Arabs and Turks. Of course, when I say Turks I'm speaking of real Turks who are living in Central Asia. I'm not speaking of Turkified Anatolians, who are originally European but have deluded themselves into thinking they're real Turks. And when I speak of Arabs, I'm also speaking of real Arabs and their nationalistic agendas. Again, I'm not speaking of Arabized Arabs of non-Arabic origins, which is the unfortunate case with most people living north of Saudi Arabia and west of the red sea.

Persians first coded the human rights? Excellent track record in your history books.

Edited by Mo.

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Ahmadinejad hails Cyrus Cylinder

Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:19PM

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad lauds the Cyrus Cylinder as the embodiment of human values and a cultural heritage for all humanity.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/142251.html

Cyrus was politically shrewd, modeling himself as the "savior" of conquered nations. To reinforce this image, he instituted policies of religious freedom, and restored temples and other infrastructure in the newly acquired cities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire

...where have we seen this before? Oh yes, the modern-day 'liberators' and champions of 'freedom' and 'democracy'. The shaytan saviors will let you do anything - as long as you bow to them and their self-serving 'rule of law'.

This is really bad. Iran is the antithesis of religious freedom AND it is always quoted as hating imperialism.

What is next from these people? The hypocrisy makes my mind spin!

There are no nationalistic motivations behind the president's celebration of the Kourosh cylinder.

What he is doing is reclaiming the history of our country, which has been hijacked by anti-Islamic "Persian nationalists."

Also, to celebrate this is to celebrate Eastern civilization. We can't let the West use the fruits of past Eastern civilization to undermine Eastern civilization today.

You don't have to be islamic to be Persian. Why don't you Shias understand this? What is wrong with you?!!

Did you not read this part? ^^^

Moreover, I am fairly certain that AP took liberties when choosing the title. If the guy is advocating an "Islamic United States," then that wouldn't be a "Greater Iran" so much as it would be a Union or Federation of states with Iran being one of its members.

It's very interesting how different people of radically different political persuasions can all unite in one common cause: to slander the triumphant Islamic Revolution and its beautiful child, the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Ya Ali

The IRI is not that triumphant.

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This is really bad. Iran is the antithesis of religious freedom AND it is always quoted as hating imperialism.

What is next from these people? The hypocrisy makes my mind spin!

You don't have to be islamic to be Persian. Why don't you Shias understand this? What is wrong with you?!!

The IRI is not that triumphant.

The effort by the old pagan Persian priest and royal classes to twist the message of Islam for their own purposes (divinization of Muhammad's family and so forth) has been ongoing since Islam began. The Shia, more than any other sect, is most controlled by these scum who, today, simply wear different masks in a desperate attempt to hide their identity and agenda. It's almost the same scenario we saw with the Roman Empire's priest and royal classes taking the teachings of Jesus and turning him into an object of worship to try to keep their empire going and to undermine the very real spiritual challenge these teachings posed to the imperial order. Of course, the 'true believers' will object to this completely which is expected. Slaves, as they say, shall serve.

The reality is that the leaders of Iran and the leaders of the 'West' are all friends - playing good cop/bad cop to keep their populations in chains. Ahmadinejad projects what he represents onto others - who in turn project what they are all about onto others. Iran is, at heart and root, an imperial center. They have the nerve to call the West imperialists and colonialists - which of course they are - and then, like their imperial ancestors, pose as champions of the people when they are part of the very same imperialist network. Just today Ahmadinejad exposed what he's the public face of even more by saying that the world is 'controlled by ex colonialists'. He should know - he serves them.

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There are no nationalistic motivations behind the president's celebration of the Kourosh cylinder.

What he is doing is reclaiming the history of our country, which has been hijacked by anti-Islamic "Persian nationalists."

Also, to celebrate this is to celebrate Eastern civilization. We can't let the West use the fruits of past Eastern civilization to undermine Eastern civilization today.

I think that it is a great idea to celebrate Eastern Civilization because the vaules and culture of the East are

superior to the vaules and culture of the decadent

Western world which is on its way out. Iranians and all other Muslims should and must take pride in

Ancient Iranian Civilization and culture since Kourosh the great was a Prophet of Allah mentioned in the Holy Quran in sura 18 the Cave and because Islamic civillization is the heir to the civillization of Ancient Iran. among others great civillizations of the east.

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I can understand why the leaders of Iran may want to publicly celebrate their past but I think it has to be done in a very limited context and for very particular purposes. Lauding your ancestors and celebrating the achievements of your "nation" can lead to a very strong sense of nationalism and even racial prejudice in most people. Sometimes a lot of misconceptions are created through these means. A few examples: The Cyrus cylindar is not considered by experts to be the first humans rights charter. Some people think that Cyrus was DhulQarnain even though the cylinder has evidence on the contrary. People don't know that Persians in the past married into their nuclear family and the list goes on. People end up getting a very rosy image of their past and of their nation without knowing the full truth. This happens in many cultures. Just look at the Americans; only in the last decade have many Americans begun to know about the atrocities committed by their government in foreign lands.

Islam is generally against the lauding of ancestors and being proud about them:

Prophet Muhammad : "O! You Quraish! The arrogance of the heathen days and all pride of ancestry God has wiped out. All mankind descended from Adam, and Adam was made of clay." http://www.al-islam.org/lifeprophet/19.htm

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Did you not read this part? ^^^

Moreover, I am fairly certain that AP took liberties when choosing the title. If the guy is advocating an "Islamic United States," then that wouldn't be a "Greater Iran" so much as it would be a Union or Federation of states with Iran being one of its members.

It's very interesting how different people of radically different political persuasions can all unite in one common cause: to slander the triumphant Islamic Revolution and its beautiful child, the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Ya Ali

"It's very interesting how different people of radically different political persuasions can all unite in one common cause: to slander the triumphant Islamic Revolution and its beautiful child, the Islamic Republic of Iran."

Brother you have hit the nail square on its head. However you have misplaced the common cause. The common cause is not Iran per se, no the common cause is what Iran does on the world stage, how it oppresses its own people by harrassment, bogus arrest, lengthy jail times awaiting trial incomunicado, and show trials.

People and nations don't abhorr Iran just because it is Iran or how it spells its name but for good reaons.

Here is one example:

"Almost one year after 25-year-old Kianoosh Asa was killed during the unrest that rocked Iran and captivated the world following the disputed 2009 presidential election, hundreds of students at the University of Science and Technology in Tehran defied authorities by holding a demonstration to commemorate him.

Asa, a chemical engineering student originally from Kermanshah in western Iran, was arrested in Tehran on June 15 of last year. His family found his body in a morgue 10 days later, reportedly bearing signs of torture.

Here is a short list of political prisoners sentenced to death, these are in Tehran.

1– Ali Saremi,

2- Ayub Porkar,

3 – Ahmad Karimi,

4 – Nasser Abdolhosseini

5 – Reza Khademi,

6 – Amir Reza Arefi

7 – Alireza Karami Khairabadi,

8 – Khaled Hardani,

9 – Abbas Deldar

10-Jafar Kazemi

11-Mohammad Ali Aghaee

12-Abdolreza Ghanberi

13-Mohsen Daneshpour

14-Ahmad Daneshpour

15-Rayhaneh Haj Ebrahim

16-Hadi Ghaemi

I want to thank the brother for starting the thread so we can get to the heart of the matter.

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{/color] "Almost one year after 25-year-old Kianoosh Asa was killed during the unrest that rocked Iran and captivated the world following the disputed 2009 presidential election, hundreds of students at the University of Science and Technology in Tehran defied authorities by holding a demonstration to commemorate him.

Rioters were causing violence and doing things like burning buses and attacking buildings. These people were disputing an obviously indisputable election result.

For argument sake (without any evidence), lets say that man was actually murdered; that still doesn't mean the leadership was to blame and nor should we call for the downfall of the world's only shia state.

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I can understand why the leaders of Iran may want to publicly celebrate their past but I think it has to be done in a very limited context and for very particular purposes. Lauding your ancestors and celebrating the achievements of your "nation" can lead to a very strong sense of nationalism and even racial prejudice in most people. Sometimes a lot of misconceptions are created through these means. A few examples: The Cyrus cylindar is not considered by experts to be the first humans rights charter. Some people think that Cyrus was DhulQarnain even though the cylinder has evidence on the contrary. People don't know that Persians in the past married into their nuclear family and the list goes on. People end up getting a very rosy image of their past and of their nation without knowing the full truth. This happens in many cultures. Just look at the Americans; only in the last decade have many Americans begun to know about the atrocities committed by their government in foreign lands.

(salam)

Can you speak about some of your ancestors or you cannot speak about anything pre-Islamic Persia? How do you draw the line and where should the line be? :unsure:

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(salam)

Why would anyone want to gain pride because of the actions of their ancestors?

When you speak about your ancestors, you are not necessarily a haughty and a prideful person (unless you come across as arrogant). I doubt Mr Ahmadinejad was full of pride and with arrogance when he spoke about the Cyrus Cylinder.

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"Rioters were causing violence and doing things like burning buses and attacking buildings. These people were disputing an obviously indisputable election result.

For argument sake (without any evidence), lets say that man was actually murdered; that still doesn't mean the leadership was to blame and nor should we call for the downfall of the world's only shia state."

If people are murdered to enforce government policy or dies while in police custody or other gov't agencies the leadership is to blame. To put a finer point on it there are so many cases that it must be the gov't's policy along with harassing family members. The obvious policy is to shut people up.

Concerning your first paragraph of the list of persons I supplied not all were protesters but people who voiced their opinion and wanted gov't action. Furthermore since when was protesting a capital crime that warrants the death penalty. It is also obvious that with 10s of thousands taking to the street in protest your "Indisputable" election result is by definition disputed. You should use some caution when using the word "obvious".

Everyone will learn the hard way...

Iranian cleric wants to see creation of 'Greater Iran' to rule over Mideast, Central Asia

Ayatollah Mohammad Bagher Kharrazi says advocating creation of what he calls an Islamic United States is a central aim of the political party he leads called Hezbollah, or Party of God.

AP

Published: 17:58 May 15, 2010

Tehran: A radical cleric is pushing for the creation of a "Greater Iran" that would rule over the entire Middle East and Central Asia.

Ayatollah Mohammad Bagher Kharrazi says advocating creation of what he calls an Islamic United States is a central aim of the political party he leads called Hezbollah, or Party of God.

Kharrazi is not particularly influential in Iran's clerical hierarchy and does not represent the Iranian government. But his comments reveal the thinking of a growing number of hardliners in Iran, many of whom have become more radical during the postelection political crisis and the international standoff over the country's nuclear program.

Kharrazi's comments were published on Saturday in his newspaper, Hezbollah.

http://gulfnews.com/...ksEnabled=false

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(salam)

When you speak about your ancestors, you are not necessarily a haughty and a prideful person (unless you come across as arrogant). I doubt Mr Ahmadinejad was full of pride and with arrogance when he spoke about the Cyrus Cylinder.

His intention may not have been pride but so many people talk about things like this with pride. You just have to talk to some Iranians to know that they are proud to be Iranian and proud of their past, which is haraam of course. It happens in all human cultures, including mine. Prophet Muhammad came to remove pride in people including pride in ancestry.

To put a finer point on it there are so many cases that it must be the gov't's policy along with harassing family members.

Proof?

Edited by Muhammed Ali

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Muhamed Ali

"Proof?"

I just gave you sixteen.

Here is another 48

Kurdistan :

17– Zeinab Jalalian,

18 – Habibolah Latifi,

19 – Shirko Moarefi

20 – Hossein Khezri,

21– Rashid AKhkandi,

22 – Mohammad Amin Agoshi,

23 – Ahmad Poladkhani,

24 – Sayed Sami Hosseini,

25 – Sayed Jamal Mohammadi,

26 – Rostam Arkia

27 – Mostafa Salimi,

28– Anwar Rostami,

29 – Hassan Talei

30 – Iraj Mohammadi,

31 – Mohammad Amin Abdollahi

32 – Ghader Mohammad Zadeh,

33 – Adnan Hassanpour,

34 – Hava Botimar,

35 – Ramadan Ahmad

36 – Farhad Chalesh,

37 – Sarhad Chalesh

38– Saeed Ramadan,

39– Hajar Ghaderi,

40 – Jahangir Baduzade

Sistan-Balochistan

41 – Abdul Rahman Naruee,

42 – Abed Gahram Zehi

43 – Abdoljalil Rigi

44 – Nasser Shebakhsh

45 – Mahmoud Rigi

46 – Ali Saedi,

47 – Valid Nisi

48– Mahed Faradipoor

49– Daer Mahavi,

50 – Maher Mahavi

51 – Ahmad Saedi,

52– Yusuf Laftepoor

Ahvaz

53 – Ovdeh Afravi

54 – Ali Reza Salman Delphi

55 – Ali Halfi

56 – Moslem Elhai

57 – Abdolreza Navaseri

58– Yahya Naseri,

59 – Abdoliman Zaeri

60 – Nazim Berihi

61 – Abdolreza Haldchi

62 – Zaman Bavi

63 – Risan Savari,

64 – Leila Kaabi

Edited by blister

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"Brother you have hit the nail square on its head. However you have misplaced the common cause. The common cause is not Iran per se, no the common cause is what Iran does on the world stage, how it oppresses its own people by harassment, bogus arrest, lengthy jail times awaiting trial incommunicado, and show trials."

Does anyone want to address this or offer other thoughts why so many others have a dislike for the current Iran regime. Please don't use the usual conspiracy theories or they are against Islam because so many of the detractors are Muslim. Let's get to where the bullet hits the bone such as why would so many conspire against Iran?

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