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Does Imam Ali Hears And Sees You?

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Shias say dua to Imam Ali (as) for him ask Allah (swt) about your issue, because Allah (swt) always answers the duas of Ahlulbayt (as). This is commonly mistaken for shirk, which it isn't since the dua is going to Allah (swt) either way, but this way, you get a more guaranteed approach. Imam Ali (as) has no power unless given to him by Allah (swt) and knows only what Allah (swt) wants him to know.

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All I know is that all the duas in Al-Sahifat Al-sajjadiyya are adressed to Allah (swt) directly, but in the duas the Imam (as) frequently asks Allah (swt) to bless Muhammad (pbuh) and his family. I haven't seen any evidence that the Masumeen (as) see and hear everything and know my intentions, so how could I ask them to make dua for me? I think it is better to ask Allah (swt) directly, but to ask Him to do so in the name of the Masumeen (as). Isn't that how Adam (as) was supposed to have asked for forgiveness?

Do we have any authentic hadith where an Imam or one of their followers made a dua to Muhammad (pbuh) or Ali (as)?

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This is what Shaykh Mufid (ar), one of our greatest scholars in history, has said on the topic in his Awa'il al-Maqalat.....

......And as to their sates after death, then they are transferred from (being) under the earth and they dwell, with their bodies and spirits, in a garden of Allah, be He exalted. So they are alive in it, living in enjoyment till the day of death, rejoicing (or, welcoming) whoever follows them (or, is attached to them) from the righteous of their communities and their Shi`a, giving (?) them honors and awaiting whoever comes upon them (?) from the likes of those who preceded from the religions (of the past). And verily the Messenger of Allah (Õáøì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáøã) and the Imams from his progeny in particular, the states of their Shi`a from the realm of the world is not hidden from them by the notification of Allah, be He exalted. They have that, state after state, and they hear the speech of the supplicant to them in their grand noble shrines by a grace from the graces of Allah, be He exalted. It is announced to them from the mass of the servants and the supplications are conveyed to them as the narrations have come with. And this is the madhhab of all of the fuqaha of the Imamiyya and the bearers of the traditions from them. I do not know of a doctrine regarding it from their prior theologians (i.e. that differs from this). And it has reached me from the Banu Nawbakht, may Allah be pleased with them, a difference in regards to it, and I have encountered a group from those who fall short in recognition (al-muqassireen `an al-ma`rifa, i.e. who believe about the Imams things below their station, denying their true noble status) who also belong to the Imama that refuse it.

æ ÞÏ ÞÇá Çááå ÊÚÇáì ÝíãÇ íÏá Úáì ÇáÌãáÉ æó áÇ ÊóÍúÓóÈóäóø ÇáóøÐöíäó ÞõÊöáõæÇ Ýöí ÓóÈöíáö Çááóøåö ÃóãúæÇÊÇð Èóáú ÃóÍúíÇÁñ ÚöäúÏó ÑóÈöøåöãú íõÑúÒóÞõæäó ÝóÑöÍöíäó ÈöãÇ ÂÊÇåõãõ Çááóøåõ ãöäú ÝóÖúáöåö æó íóÓúÊóÈúÔöÑõæäó ÈöÇáóøÐöíäó áóãú íóáúÍóÞõæÇ Èöåöãú ãöäú ÎóáúÝöåöãú ÃóáóøÇ ÎóæúÝñ Úóáóíúåöãú æó áÇ åõãú íóÍúÒóäõæäó æ ãÇ íÊáæ åÐÇ ãä ÇáßáÇã . æ ÞÇá Ýí ÞÕÉ ãÄãä Âá ÝÑÚæä Þöíáó ÇÏúÎõáö ÇáúÌóäóøÉó ÞÇáó íÇ áóíúÊó Þóæúãöí íóÚúáóãõæäó ÈöãÇ ÛóÝóÑó áöí ÑóÈöøí æó ÌóÚóáóäöí ãöäó ÇáúãõßúÑóãöíäó.

And Allah, be He exalted, has said, proving it in total “And do not reckon those who have been killed in the way of Allah as dead, rather they are alive with their Lord, being sustained and happy with what Allah has given them of His grace, and joyful in those who remain behind and have not joined them, because no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow” (3:169-170) and what follows after this from the speech. And He said in the story of the believer of the Aal Fir`awn “It was said: Enter the Gardne. He said: 'Ah, would that my people had knowledge that my Lord has forgiven me and that He has placed me among the honoured.” (36:26-27)

æ ÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááå (Õáøì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáøã) ãä Óáã Úáí ÚäÏ ÞÈÑí ÓãÚÊå æ ãä Óáã Úáí ãä ÈÚíÏ ÈáÛÊå ÓáÇã Çááå Úáíå æ ÑÍãÉ Çááå æ ÈÑßÇÊå . Ëã ÇáÃÎÈÇÑ Ýí ÊÝÕíá ãÇ ÐßÑäÇå ãä ÇáÌãá Úä ÃÆãÉ Âá ãÍãÏ (Õáøì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáøã) ÈãÇ æÕÝäÇå äÕÇ æ áÝÙÇ ÃßËÑ æ áíÓ åÐÇ ÇáßÊÇÈ ãæÖÚ ÐßÑåÇ ÝßäÊ ÃæÑÏåÇ Úáì ÇáÊÝÕíá æ ÇáÈíÇä .

And the Messenger of Allah (Õáøì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáøã) said: Whoever gives salam upon me at my grave I hear him, and whoever gives salam upon me from afar I am informed of it, the peace of Allah be upon him and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. Moreover, the reports detailing what we have mentioned in sum from the Imams of the Aal Muhammad (Õáøì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáøã) with what we have described of it, in text and expression, are more numerous, but this book is not the place to mention them else I would have brought them in detail and elucidation.

http://www.tashayyu....ams-after-death

Yes, Alias.gif hears by the permission of Allah swt when I call him.

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The relevant parts seem to be:

......And as to their sates after death, then they are transferred from (being) under the earth and they dwell, with their bodies and spirits, in a garden of Allah, be He exalted. So they are alive in it, living in enjoyment till the day of death, rejoicing (or, welcoming) whoever follows them (or, is attached to them) from the righteous of their communities and their Shi`a, giving (?) them honors and awaiting whoever comes upon them (?) from the likes of those who preceded from the religions (of the past). And verily the Messenger of Allah (Õáøì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáøã) and the Imams from his progeny in particular, the states of their Shi`a from the realm of the world is not hidden from them by the notification of Allah, be He exalted. They have that, state after state, and they hear the speech of the supplicant to them in their grand noble shrines by a grace from the graces of Allah, be He exalted. It is announced to them from the mass of the servants and the supplications are conveyed to them as the narrations have come with. And this is the madhhab of all of the fuqaha of the Imamiyya and the bearers of the traditions from them. I do not know of a doctrine regarding it from their prior theologians (i.e. that differs from this). And it has reached me from the Banu Nawbakht, may Allah be pleased with them, a difference in regards to it, and I have encountered a group from those who fall short in recognition (al-muqassireen `an al-ma`rifa, i.e. who believe about the Imams things below their station, denying their true noble status) who also belong to the Imama that refuse it.

And the Messenger of Allah (Õáøì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáøã) said: Whoever gives salam upon me at my grave I hear him, and whoever gives salam upon me from afar I am informed of it, the peace of Allah be upon him and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. Moreover, the reports detailing what we have mentioned in sum from the Imams of the Aal Muhammad (Õáøì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáøã) with what we have described of it, in text and expression, are more numerous, but this book is not the place to mention them else I would have brought them in detail and elucidation.

To me this seems to clearly be saying that although the Masumeen (as) can hear us when we visit their graves, they have to be informed of anything coming from afar. I don't think these hadiths are enough to judge whether anything more than salams to the Prophet (pbuh) are conveyed from afar. We also aren't told what form the supplications at the grave should take.

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we are all ears..

what are the true teachings of Islam?

i was refring to that quote you posted, where two people read it and highlight two different parts, and the two explanations are contradictory, only one can be right, so it is clear that the side who just see what they want to see are not following the true teachings of islam

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Such question, Allah said in the Quran, and we are repeating it in all prayers.

ÅöíóøÇßó äóÚúÈõÏõ æóÅöíóøÇßó äóÓúÊóÚöíäõ

[Pickthal 1:5] Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help.

How it possible "to make peace" between /Ya Ali madad/ (o Ali help) and Thee (alone) we ask for help? What does this verse means for you?

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Considering our Imams said that believers and even disbelievers will bee able to see their still living families in the when they are in the barzakh, i have no problem with the belief that the Propehts and Imams can see the the people of this world

Abu 'Abdillah (a.s.) said: "Verily, the believer visits his family and he sees what he likes; and what he dislikes is hidden from him. And verily the unbeliever visits his family and he sees what he dislikes; and what he likes is hidden from him." And he said: "There are some of them who visit (their families) every Friday; and there are others who visit according to their deeds." (al-Kafi)

http://www.shiasource.com/al-mizan/self/tafseer-2-153-157/

Nahjul Balagha Sermon 235:

Spoken when Amir al-mu'minin was busy in the funeral ablution (ghusl) of the Holy Prophet and shrouding him:

May my father and my mother shed their lives for you. O' Messenger of Allah! With your death the process of prophethood, revelation and heavenly messages has stopped, which had not stopped at the death of others (prophets). Your position with us (members of your family) is so special that your grief has become a source of consolation (to us) as against the grief of all others; your grief is also common so that all Muslims share it equally. If you had not ordered endurance and prevented us from bewailing, we would have produced a store of tears and even then the pain would not have subsided, and this grief would not have ended, and they would have been too little of our grief for you. But this (death) is a matter that cannot be reversed nor is it possible to repulse it. May my father and my mother die for you; do remember us with Allah and take care of us.

http://www.al-islam.org/nahj/default.asp?url=235.htm

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Such question, Allah said in the Quran, and we are repeating it in all prayers.

ÅöíóøÇßó äóÚúÈõÏõ æóÅöíóøÇßó äóÓúÊóÚöíäõ

[Pickthal 1:5] Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help.

How it possible "to make peace" between /Ya Ali madad/ (o Ali help) and Thee (alone) we ask for help? What does this verse means for you?

we ask Allah (swt) for help, ahel bayt for intercession. big difference. and anyone who thinks ahle bayt (as) is omniscient-like please reconsider your beliefs because that is borderline shirk, if not.

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we ask Allah (swt) for help, ahel bayt for intercession. big difference. and anyone who thinks ahle bayt (as) is omniscient-like please reconsider your beliefs because that is borderline shirk, if not.

What are you talking about? do you not read shiachat? if you DON'T believe Allah (swt) could give these powers that is the shirk apparently. Thats not what i believe, i'm with you, but the vast majority of people belive that Allah has given the imams (as) power over all things, but as long as you remember that their power comes from Allah, then it is not shirk

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What are you talking about? do you not read shiachat? if you DON'T believe Allah (swt) could give these powers that is the shirk apparently. Thats not what i believe, i'm with you, but the vast majority of people belive that Allah has given the imams (as) power over all things, but as long as you remember that their power comes from Allah, then it is not shirk

Those who believe it because there are ahadith about it, and the ulama of the past have confirmed it, not something that some random mallang came up with. :dry:

And yes, believing that Allah is incapable of giving whatever he wishes to his creation is kufr.

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This is how Prophet Noah prayed to Allah for help.

"O My God, my helper

Keep my hand with mercy,

and with your Holy Bodies.

Mohamed, Alia, Shabbar, Shabbir, Fatma

They are the Biggests and Honourable.

The world Established for them

Help me by their names

You can return to Right.]"

the main thing is Allah is the one and only God. This is very important.

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This is how Prophet Noah prayed to Allah for help.

"O My God, my helper

Keep my hand with mercy,

and with your Holy Bodies.

Mohamed, Alia, Shabbar, Shabbir, Fatma

They are the Biggests and Honourable.

The world Established for them

Help me by their names

You can return to Right.]"

the main thing is Allah is the one and only God. This is very important.

I doubt any one at all would have problem or trouble understanding this type of wording

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Those who believe it because there are ahadith about it, and the ulama of the past have confirmed it, not something that some random mallang came up with. :dry:

And yes, believing that Allah is incapable of giving whatever he wishes to his creation is kufr.

Can Allah give all of his powers to his creation?

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Only Allah is All-Seeing, All-Hearing, and All-Knowing. There is some hidden knowledge that even the prophets and Imams do not have access to. Muhammad (pbuh), `Ali (as), and Ahl al-Bayt (as) only hears and sees what Allah permits them to hear and see.

Exactly! It's unfortunate that it's not one of the options to choose in the poll.

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Only Allah is All-Seeing, All-Hearing, and All-Knowing. There is some hidden knowledge that even the prophets and Imams do not have access to. Muhammad (pbuh), `Ali (as), and Ahl al-Bayt (as) only hears and sees what Allah permits them to hear and see.

True that

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Can Allah give all of his powers to his creation?

He can (and has) given powers of creating, controlling and sustaining to his creation.

There is a famous hadith in Nahjul Balagha in which the Imam says that the sustenance of the poor is in the wealth of the rich. So the sustenance is of course essentially from Allah but it has to be adminstered by the rich person to give to the poor. Similarly, the baby's sustenance is in his/her mother's milk. Countless other examples of this show that there is no contradiction between Allah's powers (which are absolute) and the powers he has given to human beings (which are a part of it).

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He can (and has) given powers of creating, controlling and sustaining to his creation.

There is a famous hadith in Nahjul Balagha in which the Imam says that the sustenance of the poor is in the wealth of the rich. So the sustenance is of course essentially from Allah but it has to be adminstered by the rich person to give to the poor. Similarly, the baby's sustenance is in his/her mother's milk. Countless other examples of this show that there is no contradiction between Allah's powers (which are absolute) and the powers he has given to human beings (which are a part of it).

Ok, but I want to know if you think He can give all of His powers to his creation. Whether he has or not is a seperate question, that you are also free to answer.

Also, in another thread you said that you were currently unsure whether Allah (swt) delegated creation and sustanence of the universe to the Masumeen (as). However, would it be correct to assume you believe that the Masumeen (as) are currently sustaining the universe, even if they perhaps haven't been doing so since the beginning?

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Ok, but I want to know if you think He can give all of His powers to his creation. Whether he has or not is a seperate question, that you are also free to answer.

Allah's power is not like anyone else's power. His power is inextricably linked to his essence. Whatever he gives is a part of it. And yes has done so in the past, and can do so in the future too.

Also, in another thread you said that you were currently unsure whether Allah (swt) delegated creation and sustanence of the universe to the Masumeen (as).

Correct.
However, would it be correct to assume you believe that the Masumeen (as) are currently sustaining the universe, even if they perhaps haven't been doing so since the beginning?

No it would not be correct, as I do not have enough knowledge at this moment in time to decide. I am open to the idea of it, however.

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Remember some names are Ranks meant for Divinity. The Rank of Lordship is position deemed unique to himself. He says he doesn't give this position to Angels and Prophets and said it was disbelief to deem them Lords.

The Rank of King is also rank of Divinity, but since obedience to Prophets and Imams is one to one with obedience to God, they are then Kings, but the principle King and Master is God. This is why Wilayah is a name of God, and he is the principle, and the religion of submission is to him, but it's through the Messengers and Imams. However, Lordship, is not such that he would want others addressed as Lords. It doesn't work the same way.

He helps and protects and intercedes by his mercy, all by means, but the one to be addressed as Lord and Protector is only him.

The one whom will take care of his creation is only him, and he does so by means. But the means are just means, for example, it's God that extracts the souls at the time of their death, but through a means.

The means are never to be addressed for requests however. Angels and Prophets are not to be seen as have been delagated authority over people's lives. Quran has termed this disbelief.

Now the Rank of the one to be addressed and turned to, is this a rank of meant for God, or is it ok to be shared by creation? This is the question to ask.

The problem with Salafi logic is like this.

"Wow what a big power it is to see and hear all of humans. It's Shirk." Even though this is below God's power and ability, as God is absolute and infinite.

The real shirk is not deeming to great creation, it's bringing down positions meant for God, to others. Just as giving authority to Yazeed is bringing down the name of God the King to a creation while the principle king is only God and as such only those whom obedience is linked to his are kings, and it's shirk to do so, it's the same with bringing down lordship to others, the exagerrating their rank and wanting to heighten them to position of the Sole Lord, is bringing down a position unique to God to others.

Salafis don't understand this, as they do it with authority, so they will not recognize this is the problem, so they see it as deeming creation as demi-Gods by having abilities that are deemed to great to them. They don't understand that this was not the logic Quran used at all.

The real logic is that it's taken a position meant for God and is unique to God, and make others share with that rank.

This is where we have to ask ourselves. What positions are meant for the Highest Rank, and hence God's alone, and what positions are ok for degrees of rank.

Intrecession with God's approval and permission is ok for creation, but for creation to be addressed for intercession while the one approving it, deciding it, and commanding it ultimately is God, the sole intercessor in reality, is not permissable.

It's not about talking to dead as opposed to talking to those alive, it's about positions meant for God. It's not about how much a servant of God can hear and see by his permission, it;s about what positions are meant for God.

I hope people understand this. People often belittle stations meant for God. For example, they belittle the station of legislator, which is right of God, and bring down to others, while God is the best of judges.

God is the best of Patrons and best of those turned to, that is why it's a rank meant for him.

However with obedience, obedience to a Messenger is one to one with obedience to God, God is the one whom is our true king, but his elect ones command by his command, hence the command belongs to the chosen ones and they are the true kings with the Principle Master and King as God, while they are Ministers on his behalf.

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Yes, Alias.gif hears by the permission of Allah swt when I call him.

according to the quran the martyrs are with their Lord alive .. and it does not say that they can hear all and know all .. in DUNYA .. on EARTH .. people who ignore the clear verses in the quran that state that we are not allowed to call upon and summon anyone other than Allah .. have obviously little fear. ESPECIALLY THAT THERE IS NO CLEAR EVIDENCE STATING OTHERWISE .. all the evidence points in one direction .. you pray to God, supplicate to God ..

honestly don't know who is more lost .. suni or shia .. in judgment day we will find out incha Allah ..

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Allah wills certain individuals to hear pleas. We being nothing like Ahlul Bayt have all experienced some sort of activity when someone else that is near to us is thinking about us or even when they are in danger, we are almost connected to them, now think of that connection between the Imams of the Ahlul Bayt, they can choose whoever they want to connect with by the permission of Allah. Allah granting someone ability doesn't make the person Allah naouzibillah, this is where the Salafis deviate.

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Salam,

How did Adam (as) knew how to teach the Angels about the NAMES? If Allah swt wants Adam (as) to be knowledgeable and know the NAMES...then Adam (as) will know by HIS permission. Adam (as) himself is just a servant, created human beings...just like you and me.

It is when the Light reside in the heart of Adam (as), he became knowledgeable than of the angels (in that time). The sajdah that was made in respect to the Light. Iblis did not see the Light in Adam (as).

I remembered one event that was told to me long time ago that I would like to share: Once an old mad come to see Ali at a garden and wanted Ali (as) to share his bread. Ali (as) could not break the bread in two pieces. The old man asked Ali "How come you lifted the door of Khaibar alone" and the same Ali can't even break a bread. Ali (as) answered "that was the hand of Allah swt...the real hand of Ali (as) can't even break a bread".

Know the differences between the intercessors and the OWNER of the intercession...

Everything happens by HIS (swt) permission.

Layman.

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there are sunni hadiths that says that the Prophet can hear in the grave.

please watch.

I think you have missed the point slightly, no one is saying that if you actually go to the grave, you will not be heard, the issue hear is does Imam Ali (as) hear everything you think and say and see every thing you do. I can't find it but another brother posted a hadith that said that when you are at the grave of rasulullah (pbuh) he hears your salams, but when you are far from his (pbuh)'s grave, an angel passes them on. So logically, that would apply to Imam Ali (as) as well

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Salam,

How did Adam (as) knew how to teach the Angels about the NAMES? If Allah swt wants Adam (as) to be knowledgeable and know the NAMES...then Adam (as) will know by HIS permission. Adam (as) himself is just a servant, created human beings...just like you and me.

It is when the Light reside in the heart of Adam (as), he became knowledgeable than of the angels (in that time). The sajdah that was made in respect to the Light. Iblis did not see the Light in Adam (as).

I remembered one event that was told to me long time ago that I would like to share: Once an old mad come to see Ali at a garden and wanted Ali (as) to share his bread. Ali (as) could not break the bread in two pieces. The old man asked Ali "How come you lifted the door of Khaibar alone" and the same Ali can't even break a bread. Ali (as) answered "that was the hand of Allah swt...the real hand of Ali (as) can't even break a bread".

Know the differences between the intercessors and the OWNER of the intercession...

Everything happens by HIS (swt) permission.

Layman.

very strong argument. thanks!

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Salam,

Ahlul Bayt Can See You ! Quran Verse to Prove IT:

æóÞõáö ÇÚúãóáõæÇ ÝóÓóíóÑóì Çááóøåõ Úóãóáóßõãú æóÑóÓõæáõåõ æóÇáúãõÄúãöäõæäó ۖ æóÓóÊõÑóÏõøæäó Åöáóìٰ ÚóÇáöãö ÇáúÛóíúÈö æóÇáÔóøåóÇÏóÉö ÝóíõäóÈöøÆõßõãú ÈöãóÇ ßõäúÊõãú ÊóÚúãóáõæäó {105}

[shakir 9:105] And say: Work; so Allah will see your work and (so will) His Messenger and the believers; and you shall be brought back to the Knower of the unseen and the seen, then He will inform you of what you did.

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 9:105]

"Act. Allah sees your deeds, and His messengers, and the believers." Allah sees and knows the hidden and the manifest, the known and the unknown. So also the Holy Prophet is aware of every action-how, when and where it is carried out, in every age, through out the world. He is a witness over all people till the day of resurrection (Nisa: 41, Nahl: 84 and 89). This verse also says that there are some believers who have been entrusted and endowed with the same divine quality to witness the deeds of all men, at all times, in all places. They are those who, like the Holy Prophet, have been thoroughly purified (Ahzab: 33).

Imam Jafar bin Muhammad as Sadiq said:

"Deeds of the believers are witnessed by the Imam of the age. Good deeds give him joy and satisfaction and bad deeds grieve him. Blessed are the believers who please their Imam."

Aqa Mahdi Puya says:

This verse is in continuation of verse 103. The believers referred to in this verse are those successors mentioned in verse 55 of an Nur.

Muminoon in this verse refers to the Ahlul Bayt! With the permission of Allah swt, they see our deeds ....!

so dont look at verses without its inner meanings..... k

w salam

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Imam Jafar bin Muhammad as Sadiq said:

"Deeds of the believers are witnessed by the Imam of the age. Good deeds give him joy and satisfaction and bad deeds grieve him. Blessed are the believers who please their Imam."

Ok, but Imam Ali (as) isn't the Imam of our age. If other Imams witness our deeds, then why do we need an Imam for every age?

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