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YaHu,

Other than not following a mujtahid what does a person need to do to attain this type of Marifah in your opinion?

Intellect is the jewel of humanity. The jewel of intellect is knowledge. The jewel of

knowledge is marifat (recognition). The jewel of marifat (recognition) is love. The

human uses these four things to progress in this world. Intellect and knowledge are

connected with both this world and the day of judgment. It depends on each

individual as to how he uses them. Either he uses them for this world or the day of

judgment, or for both this world and the day of judgment. Marifat (recognition) and

love are only connected with the day of judgment. If your purpose is marifat and

love, then you will be able to use intellect and knowledge for the day of judgment. If

the purpose of marifat (recognition) is not love, then it creates hostility and

animosity. As this type of marifat (recognition) increases, the hostility and

animosity also increase. This is why Allah ordered His creation to love first, and then

gain marifat (recognition). As the marifat (recognition) increases, the love increases.

So that you will become successful on the day of judgment, you must use these four

concepts in the following order:

1. Love for Ahlul Bayt (as) must be present in one’s heart.

2. Gaining marifat increases the love.

3. After gaining marifat, one will gain knowledge.

4. One must use the intellect in order to gain knowledge.

You should know the true intellect is the one that turns a person towards

knowledge. The true knowledge is a source of gaining marifat. The true marifat is

that which increases the love.

Ya Ali Madad!

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You see, we must go back 2000 years before the existence of creation. At that time there were oaths made. One side was the side of Light (Nur) which our 12 Imams represent and their faitfull believers (who also made of Light), while the other side was of darkness and the armies of ignorance. You see, at that time people like Aisha (LA) chose to side with the armies of Ignorance. Therefore, as above so below, meaning once creation was formed and the earthly Aisha came into being, she kept her oath and fought against the Imam Ali (as).

Now, you must ask yourself a very serious question. Which side did you choose at that time in pre-creation.

May Allah (swt) forgive me if I am wrong, but I do not believe in this Calvanist-style 'elect' concept. If we have already made the choice the will save us or condemn us, then what is the point of this life?

As to your question, what do you expect me to say? I think I might have chosen the wrong side? If that is the case, then I'm doomed anyway, right?

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I can't believe that brothers are actually replying to this bot.

Our Imam e Zamana (ajf)‟s reappearance is very near because almost all

of the signs of His reappearance have already taken place. InshaAllah He will

reappear very soon. Are we really ready to provide Him support and be His true

helpers? Can we even face Him? Will we try to convince Him we are worthy

through the showing off of how many prayers we have read? Will He not ask of

us that His Grandfather has already told everyone that anyone who dies without

having the marifat(recognition) of the Imam of His Time will die the death of an

ignorant, disbeliever, and hypocrite? Will He not ask us how much did we

struggle to gain His marifat? Keep this in your mind that marifat is related to

belief. If your belief is right, then the door of marifat will open for you. If you have

wrong beliefs, then it does not matter how much you pray, how many books you

read, or how much of an expert you are in Arabic grammar, the truth will always be hidden from you.

If you do not gain the marifat of this truth, then you wil never

be able to gain paradise. It is necessary to understand religion through

intellect and principles instead of through blind following. Moula Ali (as) said , “

There will come a time when the truth will be spread into many different places

and the momins have to go in search of this truth and collect it himself.” It is our

duty to not limit ourselves to only one way of gaining knowledge such as simply

following a scholar or reading only a few books. We have to search for truth and

when we find it, we must accept it as truth. We should not create doubts about

this truth. Whenever you find something which goes against your beliefs, do not

reject it by saying “Oh this must have been an invention (bidah) and something

which was added to the religion”. By doing this, you are not using your intellect

When belief has been corrected, then any hadith which agrees with your belief

you must accept. It does not matter if the hadith is consistent, sahih

(authentic), hasan (reliable), motaber (authentic), or zaeef (weak).

Please be aware that it was sunnis who introduced this system of judging hadiths

(rijal) based upon who the narrator of the hadith is, and then shias simply copied

from them. Although, this system which has become their purpose of life totally goes

against the liking of Allah.

Allah made the religion very simple, but these so called scholars have turned into a

complicated puzzle which neither they can find a solution to it nor do they like

others to find a solution for it.

However, they find this system to be very advantageous for them because if any

hadith is against their liking, then they can very easily reject it.

Najul Israr First Edition page 443, Ameerul Momineen (as) says, “Whenever you

narrate a hadith, mention its narrator. If he is truthful, you will also be rewarded. If he

is lying, he will get the punishment.”

When your strongest belief is, after Allah, Aal e Muhammad (as) are the greatest from

everything, Their attributes are uncountable, but yet after all of these absolute

proofs from Quran, when you see a hadith which you think is not authentic or weak

regarding the attributes of Aal e Muhammad (as) and you reject that hadith

simply because it is weak, this is an undeniable proof that your belief is weak and

not real. No saint, peer, mujtihid, scholar, so called ayatollahs, absolutely no one

has reached the status in which Hazrat Salman al Farsi (as) has reached. He (

Hz Salman al Farsi as) himself says, “ If I reveal the very few attributes of Ahlul

Bayt (as) which have been revealed to me, the people will call me insane and

pray for the forgiveness of the one who will murder me.”

Ya Ali Madad!

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Imam Mohammed Baqir (asws) said: "During the time of anarchy (before the 12th Imams arrival), keep on

socialising (superficially) with your adversaries (in religion) but deep down

keep on detesting them."

Wow look how astray your mullahs are, fabricating such nonsense and attributing it to the imam. They are openly calling people towards hypocrisy and consider having two-faces as something virtuous! No religion, not even Jews or Christians, have such despicable morals as your mullahs!

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Here is a famous hadith for you to ponder on:

One of the Kharijites al-Burj ibn Mus'hir at-Ta'i raised the slogan, "Command is the right of Allah only" in such a way that Amir al-mu'minin (saw) heard it. On hearing it maula (saw) said:

"Be quite, may Allah make you ugly, O' you with broken tooth. may Allah not forgive you, Certainly, by Allah, when truth became manifest even then your personality was weak and your voice was loose. But when wrong began to shout loudly you again sprouted up like the horns of a goat."

Nahj al-Balaghah sermon-189

In “Madinatul Moajiz First Edition page no. 368”. RasoolAllah (saw)

said, “Allah said to Me, “O’Muhammad (saw)! I have decided I will put the love of Ali

(as) in that heart which is dear to Me. I put the love of Ali (as) in the heart of those

whom I love. I put the animosity of Ali (as) in the heart of those I dislike.”

All shia and sunni books are filled with hadiths in

which RasoolAllah (saw) said, “O’Ali (as)! You will be the distributor of jannah and

jahannum (hell).” Now if the acts of worship will be as a savior for humanity, then

they would be the distributor of jannah and jahannum instead of Moula Ali (as).

These ignorant people are running behind so-called scholars blindly. They know

Moula Ali (as) is the distributor of jannah and jahannum, but how He is the

distributor, they have no idea. If the meaning of distributor of jannah and jahannum

is He will send those who have good deeds to jannah and those who have bad deeds

to jahannum, then this could be done by a few of the angels very easily.

You must understand the meaning of “distributor of heaven and hell”. Moula Ali (as)

Himself explained the meaning in these words, “I will be standing at the door of

jahannum (hell). I will say to it, “Catch him for he was My enemy. Leave him for he was

My follower.” One who does not believe in the words of Moula Ali (as) is not only the

enemy of Moula Ali (as) but also the enemy of RasoolAllah (saw).

Ya Ali Madad!

So because we must love Ali (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã) it becomes permissible to umm.. call upon him? So when the Prophet says "love ali" he is telling us "call upon Ali after his death and ask him for help". I am totally seeing the connection

Thank you for showing me just how logical you are.

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So because we must love Ali (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã) it becomes permissible to umm.. call upon him? So when the Prophet says "love ali" he is telling us "call upon Ali after his death and ask him for help". I am totally seeing the connection

Thank you for showing me just how logical you are.

People with divine status should be able to hear prayers.

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It does not matter if the hadith is consistent, sahih

(authentic), hasan (reliable), motaber (authentic), or zaeef (weak).

This explains your corrupt aqaid.

YaHu, you still haven't clarified what you mean by Imam Ali's (as) divine status.

Brother the bot doesn't bother reading your comments but I think I know what he means that.

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The One who Hears and Answers prayers is Allaah Subhaanahu wa Taala Ama yushrikoon...He is the Mighty Lord of Abraham. Only He is Divine.

Haqaiqul Wasiyat Second Edition page no. 65 ref. Ahtejaj Tabrisi,

RasoolAllah (saw) said in the Sermon of Ghadeer, “O‟People! Allah has

blessed Ali (as) with uncountable attributes. You can never know all of the

attributes of Ali (as). Whenever someone describes the attributes of Ali

(as), agree with him because whatever he is saying, Ali (as)‟s status is

much higher than that, and your knowledge is limited.”

Bihar ul Anwar Fourth Edition page no. 54, Malik Jehni said, “I asked

Imam Muhammad Baqir (as), “Allah has blessed You with such greatness

and declared You as His Hujjah (Proof upon the Creation) After hearing

these words, and Imam said, “O‟Malik! We are much greater than what

you just said.”

Bihar ul Anwar Ninth Edition page no. 25, Imam Muhammad Taqi (as)

said, “I swear by Allah if there was not such a danger that the followers of

falsehood and the offspring of kufr and polytheists would attack Us, I

would have revealed such truths of Masoomeen (as) upon hearing the

whole of creation would be so surprised. After this Imam (as) put His hand

on His mouth and said, “O‟Muhammad! Keep silent the way your

forefathers remained silent.”

Haqaiqul Wasiyat Second Edition page no. 48, Imam Zainul Abideen

(as) said, “I have such great knowledge, if I reveal it, the people will say I

am an idol worshipper. The Muslims will issue a fatwa that I deserve to be

killed.”

Now let‟s look at the charismatic personality of Allah‟s absolute wali, Moula Ali

(as). There are seven days in a week. Every day is associated with some

Masoom (as). For example, Friday is associated with Imam Zamana (ajf).

Monday is associated with RasoolAllah (saw). The day which is associated with

Moula Ali (as) is Sunday. Sunday in Arabic is called “ahad” (One). Kokab Durri

page 339, Moula Ali (as) said,” People of the heavens write my name as “Ahad”.

On the fifth heaven, my name is Ali. Allah has given Me a very high status and

named me Ameerul Momineen.” In the same book on page 156 ref. Arbaeen

and Firdusul Akhbar, RasoolAllah (saw) said, “Ali is to the people the way “Qul

hu Allahu Ahad” is to Quran.”

There are two kinds of blessings. The first type of blessing is for both this world

and for the Day of Judgment. The other type of blessing is for the essence of the

survival of creation. Creation itself does not have the power or capability to take

this blessing directly from Allah because Allah did not put this power or ability in

His creation. This is why creation cannot take this blessing directly from Allah

and must have some third party (Moula Ali as) between creation and Allah in

order for the creation to receive this blessing. It does not matter how much one

struggles to reach this level. You will never be able to reach Allah directly

because it goes against the nature of creation. If it were possible, there would

have been no need for Allah to send prophets and messengers to the creation.

The creation would have been able to reach Allah by themselves and receive His

message directly. The prophets and messengers acted as a source (Wasila) for

the creation so that they could receive the message of Allah and come to know

what Allah is. In order to receive the orders of Allah; we have to have a Wasila

(intercessor). In the same way we need a wasila (intercessor) to receive the

message of Allah; we also need a Wasila for life, death, rizq (sustenance),

health, etc. When there is a huge distance between Creator and creation, then

certainly there is a need for a “bridge” in between the two so that the creation can

easily reach their Creator. That bridge must be from Allah directly, but at the

same time be in a human form so that the creation will be able to receive the

message and all the needs of creation easily. If he is not both from Allah and in

human form, this distance cannot be removed.

The Wasila must have the ability to take all the blessings from Allah directly and

have the power to give it to the creation. This is the true meaning of Wasila

(intercessor). For example, there is a universal rule that fire and water cannot be

mixed. So we have to put a pot between them. From one side this pot takes the

heat from the fire and at the same time the pot must be able to give this heat to

the water. This is an undeniable truth. This pot cannot be made from fire nor can

it be made of water. It must be made from a different substance.

When it has been proven that a Wasila (intercessor) between two things must be

made from a different substance, it becomes so easy for us to clarify this matter.

Now we can say with absolute certainty that the Wasila (intercessor) which is

between “wajib” (Allah) and “mumkin” (creation) cannot be like either of those two

things, He must be different.But whatever He is; only Allah knows. The creation

will never know nor is it meant for the creation to fully know. It is only meant for

them to accept this Wasila (Moula Ali as). Moula Ali (as) Himself said, “My Batin

(true self) is hidden. No one can know Me.”

All of the scholars from every sect of Islam have agreed that on the occasion of

Miraj (when RasoolAllah ascended to the heavens) there was a hijab (veil)

between Allah and RasoolAllah (saw). Some foolish people thought it was an

actual curtain that Allah put between Himself and RasoolAllah (saw). As we have

previously mentioned, the meaning of hijab is Wasila (intercessor). Without this

Wasila, RasoolAllah (saw) cannot speak to Allah. Regarding Miraj Imam Jafar

Sadiq (as) narrates, “There was a hijab between the two of Them (RasoolAllah

(saw) and Allah) which was very bright and flowing. RasoolAllah (saw) examined

the Noor of Allah through a very tiny hole which was like the eye of a needle.”

(Usool e Kafi Kitab Hujjat page 110 hadith 13). Ponder upon how is it that

when RasoolAllah (saw) examined the Noor of Allah through a hole the size of

the eye of a needle then it becomes a great attribute of RasoolAllah (saw) and

was declared as a Miraj by Allah. Now imagine the status of the One who is

considered to be the “Veil of Allah” and “touched” in Allah who is not in need of

any Wasila between Him and Allah. It is impossible for us to ever fully

understand and realize the status of such a personality (Moula Ali as).

Ya Ali Madad!

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You are a Shia?? The shia are not mushrikeen from what I know, or are they?

You just said that the Imam should be able to hear prayers... If you are praying to the Imam then you are worshipping him!

Prayer is a basic form of worship my friend. And prayers are only for Allah.

I don't even know if I can end my post saying "wassalam" to you..

I'm sorry for the confusion. I thought it would be obvious from the previous posts that this obviously isn't my belief, but it does seem to be YaHu's. He is the one associating divinity with Imam Ali (as), and ending all his posts with 'Ya Ali Maddad', amongst other things.

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I'm sorry for the confusion. I thought it would be obvious from the previous posts that this obviously isn't my belief, but it does seem to be YaHu's. He is the one associating divinity with Imam Ali (as), and ending all his posts with 'Ya Ali Maddad', amongst other things.

(salam)

Brother I am sorry! The reason I was a bit harsh with my question is because I thought you were YaHu who was answering me (I didn't look at the name, I just assumed since I addressed the question to him), and as you know YaHu has been constantly claiming that he is among the Shia of Ali (which is actually a big thing to say). I find it weird that if he follows Imam Ali in everything he says, why he cannot quote a hadith where Imam Ali tells him to call upon him. But he has been unsuccessful so far

Wassalam

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Haqaiqul Wasiyat Second Edition page no. 65 ref. Ahtejaj Tabrisi

I don't care for what your mullahs have written. I follow Quraan and Prophet's Sunnah. As for these mullahs, I could care less what they have to say. The Quraan is clear, "Iyyaka Na'budu wa Iyyaka Nasta'een" (You alone we worship and You alone we ask for help). I pray and ask help from Allaah, I don't pray to anyone else.

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I don't care for what your mullahs have written. I follow Quraan and Prophet's Sunnah. As for these mullahs, I could care less what they have to say. The Quraan is clear, "Iyyaka Na'budu wa Iyyaka Nasta'een" (You alone we worship and You alone we ask for help). I pray and ask help from Allaah, I don't pray to anyone else.

(salam)

lol you didn't even have to say that, the hadith that he quoted has nothing to do with calling upon Imam Ali عليه السلام anyways

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(salam)

I find it weird that if he follows Imam Ali in everything he says, why he cannot quote a hadith where Imam Ali tells him to call upon him. But he has been unsuccessful so far

Wassalam

Here are a few Hadiths you requested of

Ya Ali (as) Madad :

1. Maani ul Akbar page no 105 hadith 4, RasoolAllah (saw) says, “Ali (as) is

My Wali and Wali of those who I am wali, and no one has any right to share in

authority with Him.”

2. Yanabi Muwaddah page 377, RasoolAllah (saw) said, “Ali (as) has been 5

fazilat (supremacies) which I love the most. The first fazilat is that He will

assist Me in front of Allah. “

3.Baharul Moarif page no 331, RasoolAllah (saw) admits to this reality in these

words;

“Ya Ali (as) ! I am dependent upon You in this world and the Hereafter!”

4.Tauheed ul Arifeen min Kalamul Masoomeen (as) page 156, RasoolAllah (saw)

said, “Regarding Miraj, I went towards Ali (as) with the help of Ali (as) from Ali (as).”

5. Najul Israr First Edition page 161, Ameerul Momineen (as) said, “I am the

Superiority of the one who is Most Superior. I am the Most Powerful. “

6. Hazrat Miqdad (ra) asked Moula Ali (as), “Are the matters which are

in the heavens also under Your commandment?” Moula Ali (as) replied,

“O‟Son of Aswad, I am the Hujjat (proof) on every creation of Allah which is in

the heavens and upon the earth, and upon the angels which are in the

heavens. The angels of the heavens cannot even move without My

permission.”

7. (Najul Israr Second Edition page no. 222) In Khutbat Al

Bayan Moula Ali (as) said, “I am the owner of all affairs from the beginning til

the end.”

Ya Ali Madad!

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Here are a few Hadiths you requested of

Ya Ali (as) Madad :

1. Sura Alaq ayah 1: The beginning of nabuwat was this wahi (revelation) in

which Allah says, “Read!With the name of Your Rabb who creats”

This was the beginning of the sound of “Ya Ali (as) Madad”. Now we will see its end.

!!!

3.Baharul Moarif page no 331, RasoolAllah (saw) admits to this reality in these

words;

“Ya Ali (as) ! I am dependent upon You in this world and the Hereafter!”

Astaghfirullaah...this is open toheen-e-risalat and blasphemy of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم who is Khair ul Khalq (the best of creation). Look how these mullahs are making 'Alee رضى الله عنه even superior to the Prophet himself!

4.Tauheed ul Arifeen min Kalamul Masoomeen (as) page 156, RasoolAllah (saw)

said, “Regarding Miraj, I went towards Ali (as) with the help of Ali (as) from Ali (as).

Astaghfirullaah...so we Muslims believe that during Miraaj the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم went towards Allaah to meet with Allaah, but these mullahs are saying, Prophet went up to meet 'Alee, not Allaah!!!

5.1. Najul Israr First Edition page 161, Ameerul Momineen (as) said, “I am the

Superiority of the one who is Most Superior. I am the Most Powerful. “

I thought it is Allaah who is the Most Superior and the Most Powerful....Subhaan Allaah....please keep exposing the hidden face of your mullahs, the truth must be exposed!!!

6. Hazrat Miqdad (ra) asked Moula Ali (as), “Are the matters which are

in the heavens also under Your commandment?” Moula Ali (as) replied,

“O‟Son of Aswad, I am the Hujjat (proof) on every creation of Allah which is in

the heavens and upon the earth, and upon the angels which are in the

heavens. The angels of the heavens cannot even move without My

permission.”

Astaghfirullaah...the angels cannot move without the permission of 'Alee??? If this is not shirk than what is shirk??!!! Tauba tauba Naudhubillaah!!!

7. (Najul Israr Second Edition page no. 222) In Khutbat Al

Bayan Moula Ali (as) said, “I am the owner of all affairs from the beginning til

the end.”

It seems your god is Alee not Allaah!!

Allaahu Musta'aan (O Allaah Help!)

Edited by Salafiyyah-true-Islaam

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It is necessary to understand religion through intellect and principles....

Interesting.

Understanding religion through Intellect and Principals...... is an Usooli slogan.

Remember:

Aql = intellect

Usool = principles

Usooli = one who follows principals.

This is actually the foundation of Usooli belief.

You have been cursing the same ideology that you are preaching.

In other words, you have been cursing yourself!!!!!!!

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YaHu, please tell me what you think Imam Ali (as) meant when he said the following?

Nahjul Balaga, saying 116

"Two kinds of people will be damned on my account. Those who form exaggerated opinions about me, and those who under-estimate me because they hate me"

Tell me in what ways that according to you it would be possible to have an exaggerated opinion abour Imam Ali (as)?

I really think you should reflect deeply on this.

Also, why are you avoiding saying what you mean by Imam Ali's divine status?

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Continuation from the last 7 hadiths:

8. 4. Najul Israr First Edition page no. 128, Moula Ali (as) says in Khutbat al

Bayan, “I am the one who gives the prophets their prophet hood. I am the

one who took the promise of allegiance from the souls on the day of creation.

I by the order of Allah called “Alast bayrabikum” (Am I not your Lord?).

9. In Khutbat ul Bayan Imam Ali (as) said," I am the

(companion of) „First Adam‟ and I am the (helper of) „first Nuh‟.I am the reliever of

„Ibrahim Khaleel (as) when he was thrown into the pool of fire,I am the proof of

Divine mysteries, I am the rescuer and redeemer of a „momin."

10. Elsewhere in Khutbat ul Bayan Imam Ali (as) said," I

consoled Ayub (as) when he was suffering and I cured his illness."

11. In Khutbat ul Bayan Imam Ali (as) said," I comforted

Younis (as) and showed him the way out (of the fish‟s jaws."

12. In Khutbat ul Bayan Imam Ali also said," I am the „one‟ who was praised by „Ibrahim

Khaleel (as) after being saved (from the burning fire), I am the „wonder‟ of Moses

(as) which will punish all sinners (by grabbing them from their necks."

Ya Ali Madad!

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(bismillah)

I think the subject has changed now. But I have TWO questions for YaHu,

1-How do you differentiate b/w Allah and Maula Ali (A)..... Or do you think they are one and the same (nawuzobillah)?

Please explain in your own words.

2- If Allah has handed over everything to Maula Ali (A)......What is Allah doing?

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Tell me in what ways that according to you it would be possible to have an exaggerated opinion abour Imam Ali (as)?

I really think you should reflect deeply on this.

Also, why are you avoiding saying what you mean by Imam Ali's divine status?

The Worst Thing is Lowering the status of another not

Exaggeration

Not a single person can deny that the beginning of sins and deviation began

the moment when shaitan refused to do sajdah (prostration) to Nabi Adam

(as). Now decide for yourself.

Did shaitan do ghulu (exaggeration) or taqseer (lowering one‟s status)? Did

he exaggerate the attributes of Nabi Adam (as) or did he decrease them? He

ignored the true recognition of Nabi Adam (as), and only looked at His (Nabi

Adam as) physical appearance. On the basis of his own qiyas (conjecture),

shaitan thought he was greater than Nabi Adam (as). He (shaitan) became

the true reason of deviation in religion. So the story of Nabi Adam (as) is

enough for our proof. The beginning of deviation came from taqseer (lowering

one‟s status). The first muqassir (defamator) was Iblees, and after him, his

whole offspring. (this includes so called shias, ayatollahs, usoolis and all

enemies of Ahlul Bayt as)

Muqassireen (One Who Lowers the Status of Ahlul

Bayt as)

Muqassireen (defamators) have a strange weapon in their hands. Whenever they

read or hear such hadiths in which Ahlul Bayt (as) introduce Their true attributes,

they (muqassireen) issue a fatwa (verdict) that the narrators of these hadiths

were “ghalis” (exaggerators). They use this excuse of “ghali” so that they will not

have to provide any proof to their followers, and their followers will simply accept

without using any of their own intellect and without insisting the scholars provide

proof of their claims. These people relate all the sayings of Masoomeen (as) to

“ghalis”. They insult Masoomeen (as) behind the cover of ghalis. It is amazing

that such people who in the enimity of Ahlul Bayt (as) have forgotten their own

ilm e rajjal ( knowledge of “men” ie ruwat, narrators).

Neither do they tell the names of these so called ghalis nor do they tell their

nation, their tribe, their time, or why such narrations were even narrated to begin

with. They do not give any sources to prove their claims. They only know of one

word which is ghulu (exaggeration). They tried to hide their defamation behind

the veil of exaggeration.

These people do not ponder upon a very important point. If all these narrations

and sermons which tell the true attributes of Masoomeen (as) are unauthentic

and written by ghalis, then I make this challenge to all the so called ayatollahs to

bring even one sentence which is similar to those wonderful sayings which is

written in the sermons of Ahlul Bayt (as) where They Themselves are telling of

Their true attributes. I have no doubt that not one so called scholar will be able to

do such a thing. So it brings us to this point. If no one today is able to reproduce

such eloquent writings, then who actually wrote those so called unauthentic

sermons?

Our fifth Imam (as) (Imam Muhammad Baqir as) said, “I am amazed on those

who claim to be our friends, lovers, and followers, and consider Us as their

Imam, and obey Us the same way they obey Allah, but due to the weakness of

their intellect, they break their promise, oath, and allegiance to Us and become

their own enemy. They lower Our status. They accuse Us in front of those people

whom Allah has blessed with Our full recognition and who are in full obedience to

Us.” (Bihar ul Anwar First Edition page 114)

Quaid ul Sharia page no. 24 ref. Bihar ul Anwar Seventh Edition page

no. 275, Moula Ali (as) said, “Anyone who believes in My attributes is a

true momin. Anyone who doubts, hesitates in believing, or is surprised; he

is a muqassir and a nasibi (enemy of Ahlul Bayt as).”

Quaid ul Sharia ref. Sahih Fatul Abrar Second Edition page no. 365,

Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) said, “Muqassireen are those who Allah blessed

with Our knowledge and guided them towards Us, but they doubted. One

who will become ghali in Our Love, we will return him back to Us. He will

become steadfast and accept Our obedience. When we will call the

muqassir to relate with Us and invite them to accept Our attributes, he will

never be steadfast and accept Our obedience nor will He relate to Us.

Nasibis are your (shias) enemies. Muqassireen are Our enemies.”

Ya Ali Madad!

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(bismillah)

No society can survive without a government and a ruler. What should Shia do during ghaibat? Should we import Sunni rulers and let them be our kings and presidents. Should we ask them to implement the fiqh of Abu Hanifa or Ahmad bin Hanbal upon us. Or should we ask them to rule us according to the Chinese law. :unsure:

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This is the point ^. Unfortunately, we have alot of deluded br and sis. They claim to not follow Umar, but use the same flawed logic as he did i.e., 'The Quran is sufficient for us'. and by extension 'The Quran and books of ahadith of the Imams are sufficient for us'.

The very simple and obvious point is that we, as an ummah, cannot do without leadership. Since our Massoum and Living Imam is not exercising that role at the present time, we need someone to exercise it. An ummah without a leader is like a body without a head. Can a body survive without a head. No.

After hearing statements like I have heard on this issue, it doesn't surprise me that our Living Imam(afas) is still in Ghaibat. Our ummah, at the present time, does not deserve his leadership. We are not thinking and relying on magic and speculation and running after the taghut and thalim to lead us and are not following the clear guidance of our Imams. May Allah(s.w.a) guide us and help us and destroy the oppressors and strengthen our leaders so that we may someday deserve the leadership of our Masoom Imam(afas).

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This is the point ^. Unfortunately, we have alot of deluded br and sis. They claim to not follow Umar, but use the same flawed logic as he did i.e., 'The Quran is sufficient for us'. and by extension 'The Quran and books of ahadith of the Imams are sufficient for us'.

The very simple and obvious point is that we, as an ummah, cannot do without leadership. Since our Massoum and Living Imam is not exercising that role at the present time, we need someone to exercise it. An ummah without a leader is like a body without a head. Can a body survive without a head. No.

After hearing statements like I have heard on this issue, it doesn't surprise me that our Living Imam(afas) is still in Ghaibat. Our ummah, at the present time, does not deserve his leadership. We are not thinking and relying on magic and speculation and running after the taghut and thalim to lead us and are not following the clear guidance of our Imams. May Allah(s.w.a) guide us and help us and destroy the oppressors and strengthen our leaders so that we may someday deserve the leadership of our Masoom Imam(afas).

The Occultation :

The 12th Hidden Imam i(ATF) not only alive but his being has never stopped exercising its active, effective influence on the world. This influence is not an abstraction or just a metaphysical concept; on the contrary, it is and must be concrete. And it is so because it is exercised through a certain number of flesh-and-blood persons called Friends of the Hidden Imam (dustan-e Imam-I ghaib). This doctrine can be considered a kind of hermeneutics (tawil) of the hidden Imam’s occult presence and influence in the world. There is Tawhid, Nubuwwa, and lasly Wilayat (in which the friends of the hidden Imam have their hearts illuminated by Wilayat-e Ali in the form of Light). Therefore, the person who is in charge of the whole system of the universe is none other than our Imam (ajf). As you know, Imam (ajf) is a ruler and Olil Amr (Absolute Master). His job is to establish order. His orders are practically imposed through His servants and slaves. The angels are also included amongst His servants. The whole network of Imam (ajf) is working upon this earth. Both shia and sunni believe in the ideology of an underground government. In this network, akhyar, abdal, abrar, otad, najba, naqba, and qutub etc (names which are associated with saints and arifs) are included in this underground network and are included in the Army of Imam Zamana (ajf). Without ever actually meeting Imam Zamana (ajf) with their physical eyes (but they see Him with the eyes of their heart in the form of Noor), they are the ones who are running this world by the orders of Imam Zamana (ajf). When Imam (ajf) will reappear, this same network will rule over this world in the open. In other words, The pillars of profession of Imamite faith are God’s unicity (Tawhid), the mission of the prophets (Nubuwwat), the mission of the imams (Imamat) and lastly the mission of the Shiites (al-Shia) or the allied saints (awliya) or friends (dustan) of the Hidden Imam; that is, the true Shiites, those initiated into the Imams’ esoteric (baten) teachings, the most worthy of whom are in spiritual relation with the Hidden Imam. In other words, the purpose of creation is knowledge (marifat), the living and lived knowledge of the mysteries of God, man, and the laws that govern the world. The existence of the Four Pillars and the dialectical relation connecting them to each other are determined by this alive knowledge. The reality of devine unicity (tawheed) is the mystery of mysteries. The essential purpose of the prophets’ mission was to guide men on the path to understanding this mystery. The Imams’ mission consists in making the reality (haqiqat) of the prophetic message known. Finally, because the Occultation is a realized fact and the knowledge must remain alive, the purpose of the initiated (al-Shia) is to make the reality of the Imams’ teachings known and thereby alive. Thus, the existence of this corps of initiates is absolutely necessary in the economy of the sacred; without it, all humanity would lose the transcendental meaning of its being and sink into the darkness of impious ignorance.

These group of sages are termed Rijal al- ghayb (men of the mystery). They are themselves invisible in the sense that as companions of the Hidden Imam their spiritual rank and real activities are hidden from all. The exact number of these men is not known. The sources specify only that they belong to two main categories: the Chiefs (naqib, pl. nuqaba) and the Nobles (najib pl. nujaba). The Chiefs (Nuqaba) are the holders of Sacred Power; they intervene in an occult way in the affairs of the world to prevent ignorance-bred injustice and violence from entirely invading the earth. The Nobles (Nujaba) on the other hand have no earthly power but rather the holders of Sacred Knowledge, and their function is to safeguard and transmit initiatory science. This hierarchy is occult (hidden) because humanity is going through a long cycle of ignorance and violence. If the Friends (Awliya) of the Hidden mam are incognito, this is because men have lost the “organs” necessary to recognize them. And this itself is a sign of devine wisdom, because otherwise the Friends Awliya) would eather be persecuted or confused with the external powers that organize any human community socially and politically. Still nothing prevents the members of this hierarchy from revealing their true function to certain rare individuals worthy of such a revelation. The Nuqaba and Nujaba secretly direct men toward knowledge of the reality of the Hideen Imam. Imam Ali (as) speaks of a group of rare, undiscoverable holy men who are as many signs and proofs of God’s existence on earth. In Kamal ul Deen wa Tamam ul Nayma page no. 635, Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) said, “I am seeing Imam ul Qaim (ajf) sat upon the mimbar of Kufa. His 313 companions are gathered around Him. The numbers of His companions are equal to the companions of Badr. These companions are the companions of Wilayat, and they will be the rulers upon the creation by the order of Allah.”

In Tafseer Furat page no. 251, Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) said, “We narrate

different kinds of hadiths to the people. Some hadiths are those that can be narrated

without any fear from the mimbar (pulpit). They are those hadiths that are regarding

Our glory and the destruction of Our enemies. Some hadiths are only told to Our Shia.

They agree with them. Some hadiths are told only to one or two people.

If such a hadith is told to three people, it becomes worthless. There is one such hadith

that We only tell to those whose heart is a trustee, who has marifat (recognition), and

has intellect gifted to them by Allah. Such people become guardians, protectors,

inviters, and witness of Our hadiths.”

Ya Ali Madad!

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This is the point ^. Unfortunately, we have alot of deluded br and sis. They claim to not follow Umar, but use the same flawed logic as he did i.e., 'The Quran is sufficient for us'. and by extension 'The Quran and books of ahadith of the Imams are sufficient for us'.

The very simple and obvious point is that we, as an ummah, cannot do without leadership. Since our Massoum and Living Imam is not exercising that role at the present time, we need someone to exercise it. An ummah without a leader is like a body without a head. Can a body survive without a head. No.

After hearing statements like I have heard on this issue, it doesn't surprise me that our Living Imam(afas) is still in Ghaibat. Our ummah, at the present time, does not deserve his leadership. We are not thinking and relying on magic and speculation and running after the taghut and thalim to lead us and are not following the clear guidance of our Imams. May Allah(s.w.a) guide us and help us and destroy the oppressors and strengthen our leaders so that we may someday deserve the leadership of our Masoom Imam(afas).

(bismillah)

(salam)

I often think about the same thing. When Imam (ATF) comes these people will oppose him just like they oppose the scholars. They will deny him because he does not fit their expectations. Imagine if Imam (ATF) tells them to do something in a different way. Something that Shia have been doing for centuries thinking that it was the right thing.

What if he tells Shia that blood letting is not right??????

Or if he tells Sunnis that Tawassul with the Prophet (S) is not shirk?????

What will people do than, obey his command or deny him?

The big question is, are we ready to obey him unconditionally. Are we ready to give up our beliefs and follow him?

WS

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(bismillah)

I think the subject has changed now. But I have TWO questions for YaHu,

1-How do you differentiate b/w Allah and Maula Ali (A)..... Or do you think they are one and the same (nawuzobillah)?

Please explain in your own words.

2- If Allah has handed over everything to Maula Ali (A)......What is Allah doing?

Allah says

for Himself, “I was a hidden treasure. I decided to

be recognized. So I created One from which My creation would be able to gain

My recognition. He is a secret known only by Allah.” Allah called Himself

“hidden”. No one can even imagine what the status of Allah is. When this hidden treasure revealed itself, it revealed itself in the form of wilayat.

When it is revealed in human form, it comes in the form of Moula Ali (as). This is

why in book ―Saleem bin Qais page no. 271‖, RasoolAllah (saw) said, “O‟ Ali!

The one who denies Your wilayat has also denied the Oneness of Allah.” All the

attributes of Allah can be found under wilayat. Not one single attribute can be

recognized without wilayat. Moula Ali (as) is the caliph of Allah. Every single

creation in the whole universe is under His rule except Allah. This order of Allah

is absolute wilayat. All the prophets and messengers are also under this absolute

wilayat. No one can write anything on this topic because we are so ignorant to

the truth of wilayat. Even if Moula Ali (as) blesses someone with the ability to

explain, and they try to write about wilayat, then the people would simply deny

what was written and reject it as if it was an untruth. No one can understand all

the secrets of wilayat nor is anyone permitted to reveal those secrets even if they

are able to understand.

―How can we praise You. Our tongues can‘t say

Anything because Your attributes are so

Pure and our tongues are so impure.‖

Ya Ali Madad! Ya Ali Madad! Ya Ali Madad!

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OMG this post is scaring me. Read the following things YaHu said:

When this hidden treasure revealed itself, it revealed itself in the form of wilayat.

When it is revealed in human form, it comes in the form of Moula Ali (as).

.... :unsure: When Allah reveals Himself, Exalted is He, he reveals himself in the form of Imam Ali عليه السلام .... Ok..

RasoolAllah (saw) said, “O‟ Ali!

The one who denies Your wilayat has also denied the Oneness of Allah.”

I am not seeing the connection between Ali being the form of Allah and this hadith, sorry.

Every single

creation in the whole universe is under His rule except Allah.

Two things here:

1. He puts capital 'H' for Imam Ali عليه السلام which may or may not suppose divinity

2. "Every creation is under Imam Ali's rule except Allah" this makes Allah a creation... Because he said "except Allah".

Even if Moula Ali (as) blesses someone with the ability to

explain, and they try to write about wilayat, then the people would simply deny

what was written and reject it as if it was an untruth.

Ash-hadu anna Aliyan waliyullah wa wasi Rasul Allah!

أشهد أن عليا ولي الله و وصي رسول الله

No one can understand all

the secrets of wilayat nor is anyone permitted to reveal those secrets even if they

are able to understand.

Ok..

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Well, I don't want to blow my own trumpet ( :P ), but I did say that YaHu was following a kind of Christianity with Ali (as) substituted for Jesus (as) in the very first response to his original posts. Obviously it has become so much clearler since then, but there were many signs from the beginning.

It is absolutely mindblowing to me how any so-called Muslim could fall into this trap after having not only the example of the Christians, but also of previous Nusaris. Imam Ali (as) himself is as clear as day on this issue with his famous hadith about the two types of people who will be doomed.

Some people think that as long as they add a technical footnote that of course Allah (swt) is above Ali (as), then they can get away with saying almost anything. You can associate as many attributes of Allah (swt) to Imam Ali (as) as you want, but just make sure that if anyone calls you out on it that you say 'of course Allah (swt) is higher than Ali (as)'.

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Well, I don't want to blow my own trumpet ( :P ), but I did say that YaHu was following a kind of Christianity with Ali (as) substituted for Jesus (as) in the very first response to his original posts. Obviously it has become so much clearler since then, but there were many signs from the beginning.

(salam)

Subhanallah you were right, and as you said, in your very first reply when you said "substitute Ali's name with Jesus's and it'll sound like a Christian post".. I have to admit you had a point then but I wanted to give YaHu a chance, maybe he wasn't really a ghulu..

Wassalam

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