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The judges are well aware of the case, including confessions of the two men involved, statements by her children, relatives or neighbors who saw or heard things, as well as her own confession. Instead of confessing and then recanting her confession, she could have denied it from the beginning. The evidence against her probably will not be released, because Iran has a policy not to release information that will cause pain to the family. How would you like your relative's crimes to be in the newspapers, on television and spread around the world? The fact that she was involved in the murder of her husband is probably the only reason that her name has been mentioned. Iran has people in jail who are awaiting punishment who are known by the letters of their name, such as M.K, because the family of the criminal would be disgraced. Don't expect any evidence of her crimes or what she gave the men in exchange for her husband's murder.

That is a good defense for a nation that keeps people locked for long periods of time without trial it is also a paper thin reason to have secret trials and show trials. Conviction of a crimes incurs a debt to society and without public trial how is society to know the crime and the debt to be paid if there is no public information. What you have posted is an excuse for a gov't that behaves badly. An excuse is nothing but the skin of the truth stuffed with lies.

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IF the ynet original news story is true and IF the Amnesty International report is true, there is still a lot of information lacking. It is true that people are put on trial and convicted and only their initials are used, such as M.K. The family members, who have nothing to do with a person's crime(s) are spared the humiliation of the whole country mentioning their family name. In this case, that anti-Islamic Communist woman Mina Ahadi provided the information for the news story and English translation of the children's letter to ynet and the woman's name became known. I don't have any knowledge of this sordid case any more than anyone else on ShiaChat. But I think the adultery was committed first and the woman was sentenced to be flogged. We don't know if that punishment was carried out. However, when her husband was found dead the authorities began to investigate this woman more thoroughly, with the intention to see IF the murder case and the adultery case are related. Was the adultery committed as a one-time payment for the murder or was the adultery committed as an incentive that she would be free to marry one of the murderers? Or was it something else entirely? As I said, there is a lot of detail lacking and I think that the authorities are not going to say what the evidence is, due to the prurient nature of the case. IF she is not guilty the judges would release her.

On June 27 when he started this topic, the OP knew that the Iranian Majlis was updating the penal laws and stoning was going to be dropped. Press TV had a news story about stoning four days earlier. Oh, wait a minute. He doesn't watch Press TV or read their website. In post #67 he said PressTV is biased. Nevermind. :angel:

Stoning to be omitted from Iran penal laws

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:17:47 GMT

Head of the Majlis judiciary commission Ali Shahrokhi says stoning, heresy and cutting hands will be omitted from Iran's penal laws.

“The Majlis judiciary commission studied the new Islamic punishment bill and decided that it is unnecessary to include some penalties, such as stoning, in the law,” Shahrokhi told IRNA on Monday.

“Islam is strict about some penalties, including stoning which needs specific conditions to be carried out and in most cases it is difficult to prove guilt,” he said.

In order for the punishment for stoning - the penalty for adultery - to be carried out, Islamic law requires four reputable eyewitness "accusers" to testify to seeing "the accused" commit the offense.

Shahrokhi referred to the Islamic punishment bill as one of the greatest achievements of Iran's judicial system during Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi-Shahroudi's 10-year term as head of the country's judiciary.

The new Islamic punishment bill will be presented to Majlis in the near future and will then be sent to the Guardian Council for final considerations.

Source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=98845

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On June 27 when he started this topic, the OP knew that the Iranian Majlis was updating the penal laws and stoning was going to be dropped. Press TV had a news story about stoning four days earlier. Oh, wait a minute. He doesn't watch Press TV or read their website. In post #67 he said PressTV is biased. Nevermind. :angel:

Stoning to be omitted from Iran penal laws

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:17:47 GMT

Head of the Majlis judiciary commission Ali Shahrokhi says stoning, heresy and cutting hands will be omitted from Iran's penal laws.

“The Majlis judiciary commission studied the new Islamic punishment bill and decided that it is unnecessary to include some penalties, such as stoning, in the law,” Shahrokhi told IRNA on Monday.

Islam is strict about some penalties, including stoning which needs specific conditions to be carried out and in most cases it is difficult to prove guilt,” he said.

In order for the punishment for stoning - the penalty for adultery - to be carried out, Islamic law requires four reputable eyewitness "accusers" to testify to seeing "the accused" commit the offense.

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It is meant to be difficult only total freaks will get it on knowing 4 people could burst in at any minute. Such people who do not care any more whether they live / die or shame their families! These are who Allah (SWT) intends to be stoned. Not every sinner who could get away with it otherwise.

And to stop the stoning only weakens the 'Islamic' Judge -etc-whatever- argument in its track, for what? For man made Laws?

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“The Majlis judiciary commission studied the new Islamic punishment bill and decided that it is unnecessary to include some penalties, such as stoning, in the law,” Shahrokhi told IRNA on Monday.

“Islam is strict about some penalties, including stoning which needs specific conditions to be carried out and in most cases it is difficult to prove guilt,” he said.

In order for the punishment for stoning - the penalty for adultery - to be carried out, Islamic law requires four reputable eyewitness "accusers" to testify to seeing "the accused" commit the offense.

So adultery is so difficult to prove, that it is unecessary to include in the new punishment bill? How does that square with all the reports of people being sentenced to death in Iran for the same crime? Are all these stories fabricated? Any reasonable person can see that under the most commonly available rules for proving adultary(fpr example the ones posted earlier in this thread), it is virually impossible to prove. The same goes for proving homosexual acts. So in theory, as long as adulterers and homosexuals don't go around confessing their crimes, or exposing themselves in front of four male witnesses, they should be almost as safe in Iran as they are in the West. However, that is highly unlikely to be the case in Iran at the moment.

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So adultery is so difficult to prove, that it is unecessary to include in the new punishment bill?

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Not all punishments will be dropped, just stoning. Hanging is still an option for offenses that carry the death penalty.

BTW, I have read that there has been a push to stop public hangings. Therefore, private hangings would limit who could attend, such as the family members of the victim(s), journalist witnesses and authorities (police, military, provincial or national representatives, etc.) Sorry, I don't have a source for that right now.

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If Islam is "the religion of peace", why is it stoning her?

Yeah and I'm sure Iranian news sources are going to tell the "Truth". Everyone knows they are full of propaganda.

Someone who commits the evil crime of adultery should be put to death for the crimes they have committed in an Islamic country. You do realize Amerikkka still has the death penalty right?! But from seeing your an "agnostic" I'm guessing your fine with people committing evil sexual crimes that destroy families and societies. Just like Amerikkka and the West is plagued with the filth of satanic homosexuality; assuming your a "science first" kind of person you do realize all of nature and evolution is against the unnatural action of homosexuality which obviously doesn't allow reproduction! But since the West allows homosexual crimes the gay evildoers created the disease of AIDS which they passed among themselves and then to other fornicators (how fornicating straight people got this gay disease). This is who gets this filthy disease most of all evil homosexual criminals and fornicators; and only sometimes unfortunate people get it via accidents and such. May Allah(SWT) protect all the Muslims from these evildoers and their filthy diseases and crimes.

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Not all punishments will be dropped, just stoning. Hanging is still an option for offenses that carry the death penalty.

BTW, I have read that there has been a push to stop public hangings. Therefore, private hangings would limit who could attend, such as the family members of the victim(s), journalist witnesses and authorities (police, military, provincial or national representatives, etc.) Sorry, I don't have a source for that right now.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but wouldn't the burden of proof for hanging someone for adultery be the same as for stoning? Also, isn't stoning the correct Islamic way of punishing this crime, and is it wise to change that?

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Forgive me if I am wrong, but wouldn't the burden of proof for hanging someone for adultery be the same as for stoning? Also, isn't stoning the correct Islamic way of punishing this crime, and is it wise to change that?

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Brother, we don't have the pertinent facts in this woman's criminal case. We read that she was flogged for past sexual activity. Is that true or was she sentenced to be flogged and it hasn't happened yet? Things are not clear at all and perhaps the sentence of execution is for her part in the murder. Or this whole case could be frabricated. BTW, the photo of the woman looks to be very grainy like photos from the 1970's era, not from a modern digital camera. Allaahu A'lim.

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The fact that clarifying information has been kept away is in itself one of the biggest problems.

According to the information that we have been able to attain, this process and the verdict goes directly against the proper Islamic procedure.

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Brother, we don't have the pertinent facts in this woman's criminal case. We read that she was flogged for past sexual activity. Is that true or was she sentenced to be flogged and it hasn't happened yet? Things are not clear at all and perhaps the sentence of execution is for her part in the murder. Or this whole case could be frabricated. BTW, the photo of the woman looks to be very grainy like photos from the 1970's era, not from a modern digital camera. Allaahu A'lim.

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I was making a general point that it doesn't matter if they execute someone by stoning or hanging, the method of proof should be the same. If the head of the Majlis judiciary commission considers that in most cases it's difficult to prove guilt for adultery(which is an understatement to say the least), then what difference will it make if they replace stoning by hanging? Is less proof required to hang someone than to stone them?

With regards to this specific case, if the woman has been charged with having something to do with a murder, then that's all Iran need to say to put an end to all this. However, considering neither the woman's son or her lawyer have mentioned this at all, I would find it suprising if it were the case. Her son claims he was in the room with her while she was flogged, so unless he is making it up, she has already been punished for what he claims is the same crime.

I do agree that the picture that has been released is a little strange.

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You wouldn't believe the picture they put on the Guardian website

It is a female doll in head veil/hejab buried upto it's neck. I find the imagery quite shocking even if it's only a doll.

I am quoting the Guardian website

An Iranian woman at a protest in Brussels highlights the barbarity of death by stoning, in which women are buried up to their necks in front of a crowd of volunteers and killed in a hail of rocks.

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Ok, there are several interesting things that I just read about this case in the Guardian. I'm not sure how much of it is true, but even if only a small amount of it is, it's pretty bad.

It is not just the fact that Sakineh has already been in prison for five years and endured a sentence of 99 lashes for an offence there is no evidence that she committed, and that the death sentence was a sham. It was handed down on the basis of "judge's knowledge", a loophole that allows rulings where there are no witnesses or conclusive evidence. Furthermore, the judgment was not unanimous. Two of the five judges dissented, which means that under Iranian law that she should not have been sentenced to death.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/09/stoning-death-penalty-iran-editorial

Every single sentence of this is shocking.

Twelve Iranian women and three men are on death row awaiting execution by stoning despite an apparent last-minute reprieve for a mother of two who had been facing the horrific sentence after being convicted of adultery.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/08/iran-death-stoning-adultery

Does anyone really think these 15 people either confessed, or were caught in the act by 4 men? Must be that 'judge's knowledge' thing again, which no one has yet explained what exactly it means or if it has any basis in Islam.

Newspapers, agencies and TV channels in Iran have been banned from reporting Mohammadi Ashtiani's death sentence, despite an international campaign launched by her children, which has been joined by politicians and celebrities from all over the world.
Iran has not stoned a woman to death since 2007 when the execution of Mahboubeh M sparked outcry in Iran. She had been forced to confess to adultery.

"They told her that they'll pour boiling water on her head if she refuses to confess that she had sex with another man except her husband," said Soheila Vahdati, a human rights activist in California. "They executed her in secret and we were all informed when her death sentence was completed."

Mahboubeh's story became known only when an official witness of her death revealed that she had been buried alive up to her shoulders while the guards stoned her to death.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/09/iran-blackout-over-stoning-sentence-woman

Maybe this is how these people get convicted, due to forced confessions. It's pretty clear that only an insane person would voluntarily confess when the result will be being stoned to death.

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Someone who commits the evil crime of adultery should be put to death for the crimes they have committed in an Islamic country. You do realize Amerikkka still has the death penalty right?! But from seeing your an "agnostic" I'm guessing your fine with people committing evil sexual crimes that destroy families and societies. Just like Amerikkka and the West is plagued with the filth of satanic homosexuality; assuming your a "science first" kind of person you do realize all of nature and evolution is against the unnatural action of homosexuality which obviously doesn't allow reproduction! But since the West allows homosexual crimes the gay evildoers created the disease of AIDS which they passed among themselves and then to other fornicators (how fornicating straight people got this gay disease). This is who gets this filthy disease most of all evil homosexual criminals and fornicators; and only sometimes unfortunate people get it via accidents and such. May Allah(SWT) protect all the Muslims from these evildoers and their filthy diseases and crimes.

1. Why should someone who commits adultery be put to death? Why is it a crime at all and not a civil matter?

2. 26 states have the death penalty on the books. It is not used that often and it is for murderers not civil matters.

3. Adultery is not a crime but a civil matter.

4. America and the West is not "plagued" with homosexuality.

5. Homosexuality is not a crime and it did not create AIDS.

6. Why not ask Allah to protect people of all faiths?

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1. Why should someone who commits adultery be put to death? Why is it a crime at all and not a civil matter?

2. 26 states have the death penalty on the books. It is not used that often and it is for murderers not civil matters.

3. Adultery is not a crime but a civil matter.

4. America and the West is not "plagued" with homosexuality.

5. Homosexuality is not a crime and it did not create AIDS.

6. Why not ask Allah to protect people of all faiths?

Blister

Why not an adulterer who killed her husband be put to death? what civil matter..?? its a crime!!!!!!!!!!!!!

26 states has laws that protect even devils ...moreso the devil gets a good lawyer and he is out of anything!!!!!! what civil matter/???? explain civl????

adultery is a crime of the premium degree a root cause to almost all evil.........................ITS A CRIME....again explain civil??????????????

amriiiiiiiiiica and the west is not plagued but buried in this evil...

homsexuality is not a crime where the devil dwells not where there are beliefs and faith and humanity..........ITS NOT ONLY A CRIME BUT A DISGRACE TO THE HUMAN RACE

Ask Allah to protect the believers of Allah....why should he ask Allah to protect the believers of satan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Faris

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Why not an adulterer who killed her husband be put to death? what civil matter..?? its a crime!!!!!!!!!!!!!

26 states has laws that protect even devils ...moreso the devil gets a good lawyer and he is out of anything!!!!!! what civil matter/???? explain civl????

adultery is a crime of the premium degree a root cause to almost all evil.........................ITS A CRIME....again explain civil??????????????

amriiiiiiiiiica and the west is not plagued but buried in this evil...

homsexuality is not a crime where the devil dwells not where there are beliefs and faith and humanity..........ITS NOT ONLY A CRIME BUT A DISGRACE TO THE HUMAN RACE

Ask Allah to protect the believers of Allah....why should he ask Allah to protect the believers of satan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Faris

There is no doubt adultery and homosexuality are majors sins, but don't you think Allah (swt) has made them extremely difficult to prove in court? Maybe there is a reason for that.

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There is no doubt adultery and homosexuality are majors sins, but don't you think Allah (swt) has made them extremely difficult to prove in court? Maybe there is a reason for that.

Thats why the Shura and The Sharia courts have particular merits to judge and in case of IR Iran it cannot be doubted...or what motive is there for the government to kill any one unless convicted?

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Thats why the Shura and The Sharia courts have particular merits to judge and in case of IR Iran it cannot be doubted...or what motive is there for the government to kill any one unless convicted?

What is there to judge? Are there 4 reliable male witnesses, yes or no? Has the person confessed on 4 seperate occasions without being coerced, yes or no? Is the person sane, yes or no? I don't think this is very complicated.

As to motive, I think that's pretty obvious. The judge may be convinced that the person has commited the crime, but doesn't have the required evidence in order to convict. However, since the judge can't bring himself to allow a 'clearly' guilty person to go free, he uses some other evidence to convict.

For example, let's say a man and his two sons(all well known in the community to be extremely pious) come home and they catch the man's wife(and sons' mother) in the act of adultery with another man. Now, all three witnesses are willing to bear witness in court to what they have seen. Obviously they have no motive to lie about this. Now, what do you think the judge should do?

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Why not an adulterer who killed her husband be put to death? what civil matter..?? its a crime!!!!!!!!!!!!!

26 states has laws that protect even devils ...moreso the devil gets a good lawyer and he is out of anything!!!!!! what civil matter/???? explain civl????

adultery is a crime of the premium degree a root cause to almost all evil.........................ITS A CRIME....again explain civil??????????????

amriiiiiiiiiica and the west is not plagued but buried in this evil...

homsexuality is not a crime where the devil dwells not where there are beliefs and faith and humanity..........ITS NOT ONLY A CRIME BUT A DISGRACE TO THE HUMAN RACE

Ask Allah to protect the believers of Allah....why should he ask Allah to protect the believers of satan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Faris

Thank for your post that is filled with rational arguments, now I see that you are right. Just one last wrongheaded thought. The lady we have been talking about was not charged with muder. Either you have been in America for a long time or studied our society intensely.

Once more I thank you.

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We'll see what happens. No point in further arguing whether she is guilty or not. They've got the evidence in that case. We're not there, to I'm sure the officials, witnesses, and people involved in that situation, will take care of it.

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We'll see what happens. No point in further arguing whether she is guilty or not. They've got the evidence in that case. We're not there, to I'm sure the officials, witnesses, and people involved in that situation, will take care of it.

Fazactly ........

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We'll see what happens. No point in further arguing whether she is guilty or not. They've got the evidence in that case. We're not there, to I'm sure the officials, witnesses, and people involved in that situation, will take care of it.

Good points, the anti-Iranian fools in the Western media are claiming there is allegedly "no evidence" yet they are not there and don't know any of the details of the case. The truly pathetic thing about these Western neocon fools, especially in the US, is when they attempted to claim this Iranian woman is allegedly being "mistreated" and somehow "railroaded". Not only do they have nothing to back up their false charges against the Islamic Republic of Iran's representative government, but they need to look at themselves in the mirror first and follow the old adage: "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" (again putting aside the fact these people have no proof for what they accuse actual Iranian authorities on the ground of allegedly "falsely" doing). In Amerikkka people of color (i.e. minorities) are often railroaded, on top of facing police brutality, poor blacks and hispanics are often falsely arrested and unable to get a lawyer. Thus these poor people of color then have to rely on a "legal aid", many of these "legal aids" are not only incompetent and worthless; they are often in league with the prosecution and the government and give "advice" to the poor people of color to take bad "plea deals" and such.

In Amerikkka these are whole industries, read about the Prison-industrial complex (of tons of privatized prisons in the US) which are often just modern forms of slavery locking up young people of color for corporate greed and profit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt6gPZO8XRw&feature=related

Also read up on all those on the death rows of Amerikkkan prisons who have later been cleared by DNA testing and such; sadly some of these people have only been cleared after already being falsely executed (again mostly blacks and other people of color).

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There is an online petition to protest against this decision and seek a retrial.The petition is at http://freesakineh.org/

This is by the same people who successfully got together a petition to get a retrial for the 17-year-old Nazanin (Mahabad) Fatehi, who was sentenced to death for stabbing a man who allegedly tried to rape her and her 15 year old niece.

In the retrial, the incident was recognized as an act of self-defense by the judges, however the court also ruled that disproportionate force was used by Nazanin while trying to defend herself and her 15-year old niece. Accordingly, they asked Nazanin to pay “dieh” retribution (blood money) in order to receive a pardon from the family of the deceased.

So I guess these "expert judges" we heard about ealier do make mistakes, and when it comes to someone's life being on the line, then a retrial is appropriate. Lets home this mother gets a retrial, and a fair trial.

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If this is true, then Iran has even more serious problems than I thought. However, we should be a bit careful. Israel and the US are gearing up for an attack on Iran, and there is a lot of disinformation flying around.

Yeah, but the link is Amnesty International, as opposed to Fox News or Press TV. Have a look at the below link. As for the attack, this report is not about potential Iranian nukes, but about a women who may be stoned to death or hung, on scant evidence, and now her lawyer and his family is being locked up also.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/israel-occupied-palestinian-territories

Thousands of reports slamming Israel for abuses. Likewise for the US on that section of Amnesty, a strange propaganda tool for the US / Israel. Also,

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/israeli-nuclear-whistleblower-returned-solitary-confinement-2010-06-18

Amnesty International has called for his immediate and unconditional release.

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Yeah, but the link is Amnesty International, as opposed to Fox News or Press TV. Have a look at the below link. As for the attack, this report is not about potential Iranian nukes, but about a women who may be stoned to death or hung, on scant evidence, and now her lawyer and his family is being locked up also.

It's a lot easier to sell an attack to the public if they think people are in need of being 'liberated' from an oppressive regime. That's why you hear so much about the plight of homosexuals in Iran, but not such much in other Muslims countries such as Saudi Arabia.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/israel-occupied-palestinian-territories

Thousands of reports slamming Israel for abuses. Likewise for the US on that section of Amnesty, a strange propaganda tool for the US / Israel. Also,

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/israeli-nuclear-whistleblower-returned-solitary-confinement-2010-06-18

Amnesty International has called for his immediate and unconditional release.

I'm not saying Amnesty International are making stuff up, but I don't know what their sources are, or how reliable their information is.

To be honest, I don't have any real reason to think what they are saying is untrue, but it's always best to remember the wider picture. So while I'm of the view that this is probably true, I'm not discounting the possibility that it isn't

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If this is true, then Iran has even more serious problems than I thought. However, we should be a bit careful. Israel and the US are gearing up for an attack on Iran, and there is a lot of disinformation flying around.

Don't waste your time believing that [Edited Out]. The US is not having more war anytime soon. Think about it. How many times have you read on this site subjects like "Iran is going to change the way oil is paid for and will ruin the US", that even had a date like April 2007, how many times has it been said the US was going to attack Iran and there was also the story about the US being ruined financially by China maybe four years ago. Not a month goes by that there is some dire prediction about the US that never happens.

What does this have to do with Iran's wanting to stone that poor woman?

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Don't waste your time believing that [Edited Out]. The US is not having more war anytime soon. Think about it. How many times have you read on this site subjects like "Iran is going to change the way oil is paid for and will ruin the US", that even had a date like April 2007, how many times has it been said the US was going to attack Iran and there was also the story about the US being ruined financially by China maybe four years ago. Not a month goes by that there is some dire prediction about the US that never happens.

I'm not making any dire predictions about the US being ruined, I just think it's very likely Israel and/or the US is going to attack Iran within the next year or two. That doesn't mean they need to invade with ground troops.

What does this have to do with Iran's wanting to stone that poor woman?

If you read my other posts on this thread, you will see that I don't support this stoning as I don't think they have the required evidence.

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Haider Husayn:

Evidence!, The Issue is that stoning is barbaric, immoral and a whole lot more.

What crimes does the Koran declare prison time for? You know like what crimes deserve a year in prison?

You said "Israel and the US are gearing up for an attack on Iran". That is a declarative sentence and does not equivocate.

Here is another gem from SC in Jan07:

Bush Is About to Attack Iran (That is also the title of the thread

Why Can't Americans See it?

by Paul Craig Roberts

The American public and the US Congress are getting their backs up about the Bush Regime's determination to escalate the war in Iraq. A massive protest demonstration is occurring in Washington DC today, and Congress is expressing its disagreement with Bush's decision to intensify the war in Iraq.

This is all to the good. However, it misses the real issue – the Bush Regime's looming attack on Iran.

Rather than winding down one war, Bush is starting another. The entire world knows this and is discussing Bush's planned attack on Iran in many forums. It is only Americans who haven't caught on. A few senators have said that Bush must not attack Iran without the approval of Congress, and postings on the Internet demonstrate world wide awareness that Iran is in the Bush Regime's cross hairs. But Congress and the Media – and the demonstration in Washington – are focused on Iraq.

What can be done to bring American awareness up to the standard of the rest of the world?

I can find many more of these nonsense predictions here if you like.

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Looks like President of Brazil is now offering to grant asylum to Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani. Brazil is an important ally to Iran, so this deal may go through. Funny to see the poor old Revolutionary Guards whining about it, but I dont think the senior leaders of Iran will shout down Brazil or Lula in the same manner.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/01/iran-stoning-woman-brazil

Brazilian president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva has stepped into the international outcry over Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, the Iranian woman sentenced to death by stoning for adultery, by offering his country as a refuge, a move which raised hopes her life will be spared.

The surprise offer prompted an immediate reaction from Iran, which considers Brazil a key ally. Iranian officials softened their tone with Ashtiani's family over the weekend and official media reported full details of the story for the first time.

"I don't think Iran can ignore Brazil as easily as it ignored other countries," Ashtiani's son, Sajad, told the Guardian today. "It is very important that Brazil, as one of Iran's most significant allies in the world, has offered a haven for my mother."

Jahan News, a website close to Iran's Revolutionary Guards, struck a critical tone. "The Brazilian president is under the influence of western propaganda … and has interfered in Iran's internal affairs." It said Ashtiani was convicted of adultery and murder, even though a court rejected the latter charge.

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Looks like President of Brazil is now offering to grant asylum to Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani. Brazil is an important ally to Iran, so this deal may go through. Funny to see the poor old Revolutionary Guards whining about it, but I dont think the senior leaders of Iran will shout down Brazil or Lula in the same manner.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/01/iran-stoning-woman-brazil

Brazilian president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva has stepped into the international outcry over Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, the Iranian woman sentenced to death by stoning for adultery, by offering his country as a refuge, a move which raised hopes her life will be spared.

The surprise offer prompted an immediate reaction from Iran, which considers Brazil a key ally. Iranian officials softened their tone with Ashtiani's family over the weekend and official media reported full details of the story for the first time.

"I don't think Iran can ignore Brazil as easily as it ignored other countries," Ashtiani's son, Sajad, told the Guardian today. "It is very important that Brazil, as one of Iran's most significant allies in the world, has offered a haven for my mother."

Jahan News, a website close to Iran's Revolutionary Guards, struck a critical tone. "The Brazilian president is under the influence of western propaganda … and has interfered in Iran's internal affairs." It said Ashtiani was convicted of adultery and murder, even though a court rejected the latter charge.

Brazilian president. :wub:

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It would be interesting to know what was reported in the Iranian media on this story. Was the information any different from what we have been hearing from Western sources? Was there any extra information on what kind of evidence was used to convict her?

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