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Isnt it strange?
India and China have a combined population of more than 2.5 Billion, 150 Gods, and 800 different belief systems and yet live in peace.
Muslims: One God, one religion, one prophet, and one holy book but they are constantly in state of war and killing one another. 
The murderer says: Allah Akbar
The victim says: Allah Akbar

 

...Muslims and Jews likewise

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Who is killing who?

Who is the attacker?

If a muslim kills another muslim, then is the killer a muslim?

 

What is strange? Nothing is strange, it is in fact as obvious as it can get for he who thinks and uses what Allah(SWT) gave him.

 

Furthermore, there are muslims in China and India as well, there are muslims all over the world and that text is the most stupid thing I have read this month. 

 

The only thing strange about that text is the reasoning of the writer.

Edited by IbnSina

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Why the nonstop push to reiterate their "Muslim" status?  Technically its true, but its largely irrelevant, and aims to insinuate an association that is largely irresponsible to make.  Oppression, crime, and cosmic violence have no religion and no affiliation, other than an appeal to base human depravity. 

 

Like Chomsky said, both the USSR and USA agreed to use the word "socialist" to describe the USSR, thus monopolizing the word, along with all its associations and connotations, while real socialists in the world were largely shut off, and could only sit back and cringe.  Likewise, the word "Muslim" and "Islamic" are becoming consensus terms to describe people and groups who do not deserve these titles.  I have a radical idea.  How about not being a pawn of this conspiracy of vocabulary, and actually refusing to play along with this semantic game. 

 

Out of a million adjectives to use to describe barbaric animals, why is "Muslim" used and pushed more than anything else? The answer should be pretty obvious.  Smearing things by dragging them down with mud.  If these words have any sanctity for you, then open your eyes!

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isn't Zameer Akhtar Naqvi a man who made many questionable speeches?

Yes - for some reason he's one man I can't stand listening to 

 

So I've just come back from a ladies majlis in my neighborhood, where the lady spent one hour trying to make people understand that Husain (AS) was the son of the Prophet (PBUH) - i didn't learn a thing in that one hour.

 

oh and during the nohas, this one lady has a crying fit and fainted and then she came to her senses and started this ballistic yelling of 'matam karo matam karo' (keep doing matam!) like a mad woman - it was scary - and they say she does this everywhere she goes, at times in sync with her sister both of whom faint at the same time. sigh. what is all this craziness?

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i am travelling today but I will try taking the kids to a Ladies majlis tomorrow evening. They have good majalis but the problem is they start after asr and end well after maghrib...and in all this maghrib namaz is forgotten :( and it looks very awkward if you leave in the middle....oh well... At least we have good majalis here from 7th moharram onwards.

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Why the nonstop push to reiterate their "Muslim" status?  Technically its true, but its largely irrelevant, and aims to insinuate an association that is largely irresponsible to make.  Oppression, crime, and cosmic violence have no religion and no affiliation, other than an appeal to base human depravity. 

 

Like Chomsky said, both the USSR and USA agreed to use the word "socialist" to describe the USSR, thus monopolizing the word, along with all its associations and connotations, while real socialists in the world were largely shut off, and could only sit back and cringe.  Likewise, the word "Muslim" and "Islamic" are becoming consensus terms to describe people and groups who do not deserve these titles.  I have a radical idea.  How about not being a pawn of this conspiracy of vocabulary, and actually refusing to play along with this semantic game. 

 

Out of a million adjectives to use to describe barbaric animals, why is "Muslim" used and pushed more than anything else? The answer should be pretty obvious.  Smearing things by dragging them down with mud.  If these words have any sanctity for you, then open your eyes!

 

You mean to ask me why problems among Muslims concern me more than African female genital mutilation?

Everything you say ^ is irrelevant to what I posted.  

Why Muslim/Islam is used to describe the current chaos among Muslims? Maybe because they are happening in Muslim lands and by the Muslims...maybe...?

 

Islam and muslims are different things.

Oh really? Comes as news to me.

I have a radical idea.  How about not being a pawn of this conspiracy of vocabulary, and actually refusing to play along with this semantic game. 

 

 

I have a better idea. Lets look at our problems more seriously and honestly and strive for a better future where such issues would be eradicated from our community and Muslims live in peace and security like they did before. You say words I say actions.

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You mean to ask me why problems among Muslims concern me more than African female genital mutilation?

Everything you say ^ is irrelevant to what I posted.  

Why Muslim/Islam is used to describe the current chaos among Muslims? Maybe because they are happening in Muslim lands and by the Muslims...maybe...?

 

No surprise that you are missing my point entirely, but it's really my fault. 

 

I had swore earlier to myself I wouldn't debate with you again ever, largely because of your thick skull and cold heart.  I'm going to keep my convictions and stop.  If I respond to anything of yours ever again, I am instituting a mandatory fast on myself the next day. 

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Brushing everything under the rug and calling our own problems as conspiracy is hardly a wise way..more like an ostrich way.


No surprise that you are missing my point entirely, but it's really my fault. 

 

I had swore earlier to myself I wouldn't debate with you again ever, largely because of your thick skull and cold heart.  I'm going to keep my convictions and stop.  If I respond to anything of yours ever again, I am instituting a mandatory fast on myself the next day. 

Here we go...insults and name calling all while claiming to be Muslim and defending Islam. Terrorists do the same but in a more bloody manner. 
While me, the supposed anti-Muslim or anti-Islam, have been nothing but civil.  You see my point?

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as opposed to a Hindu, Taoist, Jew, Christian, or an Atheist?

No.

What makes you think i would say that?

You want to ask me a question or do you just want to assume what i'm going to say and answer your questions to me by yourself.

If so then i can PM you a picture of me and you can have a conversation with it, because obviously you already know what im going to say and how i think.

Now, what is the point your trying to make here? 

Edited by IbnSina

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Yes - for some reason he's one man I can't stand listening to 

 

So I've just come back from a ladies majlis in my neighborhood, where the lady spent one hour trying to make people understand that Husain (AS) was the son of the Prophet (PBUH) - i didn't learn a thing in that one hour.

 

oh and during the nohas, this one lady has a crying fit and fainted and then she came to her senses and started this ballistic yelling of 'matam karo matam karo' (keep doing matam!) like a mad woman - it was scary - and they say she does this everywhere she goes, at times in sync with her sister both of whom faint at the same time. sigh. what is all this craziness?

Sorry to say, I don't agree one bit with the last part. How can you call someone who is mourning for Aba Abdellah Al Hussein(as) 'craziness'? The story of Kerbala is heart breaking and if we truly knew what happened in Kerbala, the grief would overtake us. I have seen many women mourn the same way but I never looked up on them as crazy..

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My morning muse: The chicks that got up in my face saying they are worried about " Arab women" don't actually give a rat's nether region. They all support Israel.

Colonial nonsense on both sides of the planet.

To Gaius when you get on:

Ego videor ut Rome. :-p

Edited by LeftCoastMom

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It reads...

Isnt it strange?

India and China have a combined population of more than 2.5 Billion, 150 Gods, and 800 different belief systems and yet live in peace.

Muslims: One God, one religion, one prophet, and one holy book but they are constantly in state of war and killing one another. 

The murderer says: Allah Akbar

The victim says: Allah Akbar

 

...Muslims and Jews likewise

 

 

Firstly: What's your point? Are you trying to prove the falsehood of Islam? Or are you trying to prove the backwardness of Muslims? What's your point?

 

Secondly, one can choose to analyze issue logically and strategically, or one can choose to be a cretin. For example, I once heard someone say something like: "Nobody sheds blood as much as Muslims. Look what's happening with ISIS over there. No other religion has that."

 

Does that person know that the victims of ISIS are predominantly, Muslims?

Does that person know that the ones who are steadfast in fighting against ISIS are, overwhelmingly, Muslims?

Does that person know that the source of funding and armaments for organizations like ISIS are two governments: Israel and the USA (who are, as anyone can tell, not Muslims)?

 

No.

 

A simple mind does not reflect. It just consumes.

 

There are many differences between the situations in China and India and the situation in the mideast (I am presuming the writer of this nonsense is referring to violence in the middle east). For one, out of those 800 religious traditions in China and India, most of them are polytheistic. It is very rare that polytheists fight each other over a god, because polytheists, by nature, do not believe that their god is the ONE TRUE GOD. Durrrrrr

 

Secondly, these traditions tend to boil down to various festivals and rituals. In Chinese society, for example. We Muslims, we have Islam. Islam is our social order, our political ideology, our spiritual beliefs, our rituals, etc... Everything. But in China, these roles were divided between different religious or cultural traditions. The social order was, typically, Confucian. The more advanced metaphysics and religious scholarship -- as well as the religious infrastructure -- has been predominantly Buddhist since the arrival of Buddhism in China. And then there are the many gods and goddesses, rituals, divinations, and other religious practices which did not really have a name but which were a part of what we could call Chinese religion. Nowadays, the social and political elements of this amalgamation of traditions, is no longer relevant. And so it boils down to rituals. Now tell me: if the difference in the madhabs of Islam were as simple as the difference in salaat, would there be sectarian violence?

 

Rather, the more important issue is the issue of Imamah and Wilayah, and certain groups' hatred of ahlul bayt and their attempt to contaminate the minds of Muslims with this thinking. These are the spiritual successors of Abu Sufyan, a man who was a sworn enemy of Islam until he had absolutely no choice  but to "convert."

 

Even if we presume that the conflicts between Muslims are because most Muslims are violent and bloodthirsty animals (which, ultimately, is your belief, no matter how much you deny it...)... it is not as if Islam does not have an answer for this. This is in our history. This is in Quran. And that is how we have a man like Imam Khomeini who says: the Islamic revolution was a revolution of one form of Islam against another. And we have his muqalid Ali Shariati who writes a book, called Religion vs. Religion.

 

Lastly, what the hell are you smoking when you say "Muslims and Jews likewise." When have Jews ever killed one another? If there is one thing the Jews have, it's solidarity.

 

 

 

Really lastly: the little icon at the top of that facebook graphic or whatever... I think it's clear who made this informative piece. Persian Pride nationalist idiots. Logic has never been their strong suit, innit.

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SubhanAllah! Ya Hussain! Must check this tweet out!

 

https://twitter.com/SayedModarresi/status/655203300887760900"This isn't Basra or Qom.. Syrian and Iraqi refugees in the French city of Calais show yet again that #HuseinLives"

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My morning muse: The chicks that got up in my face saying they are worried about " Arab women" don't actually give a rat's nether region. They all support Israel.

Colonial nonsense on both sides of the planet.

To Gaius when you get on:

Ego videor ut Rome. :-p

Why would anyone be "concerned" about Arab women, let alone some silly chickadees? I have to get out of this country sooner or later. The sad thing is, they aren't thinking for themselves and blindly following the political norm.

To LCM- Quod mirum, quem vidisti habere Romae.

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The lovers of Imam Hussain (as) marching from Hazara Town towards Mariabad, Quetta, Pakistan. May Allah bless all the mominins and keep them under his protection specially in these days. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/lovelyhazaratown1/videos/727980807279501/

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It reads...

Isnt it strange?

India and China have a combined population of more than 2.5 Billion, 150 Gods, and 800 different belief systems and yet live in peace.

Muslims: One God, one religion, one prophet, and one holy book but they are constantly in state of war and killing one another. 

The murderer says: Allah Akbar

The victim says: Allah Akbar

 

...Muslims and Jews likewise

 

 

Unfortunately ignorance and intolerance has been very high between muslims and it has had some heavy consequences. The Christians had some very rough times too, but they got over it, other religions got over it, but I don't know when we will get over it. Really though, will we ever get over it? Or will this continue till the coming of our Imam (aj)? (which is what I think will happen).

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High time we had a Latin subforum #StickThatInYourPipeUmmah.com 014.gif

Lol! My Latin sucks. You probably need a forum for Catholics tangled up with Muslims. I hear that the rate of intermarriage in a few areas has gotten so high that there have been meetings of religious higher-ups to figure out ways to best support these couples. I'm sure some of the Catlick women convert, but many won't and, at any rate, their families don't...so it will be an interesting situation for the next generation of Muslims ...being raised by Catholic mommies and having Catholic aunts, uncles, and cousins. ;-)

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If I get a laptop, I might just move to Pakistan and live off writing books for Amazon Kindle.

yayyyyyyy! Come to Karachi and get a place in my area :D

Sorry to say, I don't agree one bit with the last part. How can you call someone who is mourning for Aba Abdellah Al Hussein(as) 'craziness'? The story of Kerbala is heart breaking and if we truly knew what happened in Kerbala, the grief would overtake us. I have seen many women mourn the same way but I never looked up on them as crazy..

If you had any idea whatsoever about my beliefs you would know why i label this craziness. 

 

mourning isn't crazy.  creating an attention-seeking drama is.

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If I get a laptop, I might just move to Pakistan and live off writing books for Amazon Kindle.

You mean all that stands between you and your move to Pakistan is a laptop????

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