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Correcting A Misconception

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I wanted to post this to counter a very serious, but unfortunately all to common misconception that was posted by a member in another thread. The thread was locked at the thread starter's request, so in respect to that I'm not going to call up more than necessary from the content of the thread. In addition, to avoid perception that this is some "personal" attack on the misinformed poster rather than a simple correction of an error, I will leave out the poster's name as well.

Anyway, basically a poster in the other thread brought forward the following Qu'ran verse to argue that someone who has indulged in fornication in the past cannot marry someone who did not engage in fornication.

That goes directly against the teachings of Islam. Allah(swt) says in the Quran.

The fornicator shall not marry any but a fornicatress or idolatress, and (as for) the fornicatress, none shall marry her but a fornicator or an idolater; and it is forbidden to the believers. Surah An-Noor : 3

That is, the poster implies that one who has in the past comitted fornication is unmarriageable to the chaste, and even to the believer, presumably.

I just want to point out for those who might be misled by this ignorant interpretation that it is incorrect. This verse is relevant only to those who are actively and unreformedly engaged in fornication. It does not apply to those who made a mistake in the past, learned from it, and have returned to a chaste way of life.

We are told REPEATEDLY and EMPHATICALLY that when we turn away from active sin in regret and repentance, putting it behind us, that God forgives us.

If God can forgive us in such cases, then surely we can and indeed must do so as well as a moral obligation.

May God protect us from the misinformed and destructive rantings of the ignorant.

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al-Kafi Kitab al-Nikah Bab az-Zani wa Zaniyatu Hadith no.6

Muhammad bin Yakub al-Kulayni (in al-Kafi) from Hamid bin Ziyad from Hasan bin Muhammad bin Sam'ah from Ahmad bin Hasan al-Maythami from Aban from Hakam bin Hakim from Imam Abi Abdillah (a.s) with regard to the words of Allah (s.w.t) " and the adulteress none marries her except an adulterer or a polytheist..."

Said : That is if it (the sin) is in the open (committed plainly- and one is famed for it) then he said : If someone fornicates than does Tawba is married (or marries) freely

Hadith is Muwathaq (due to Hasan bin Muhammad bin Sam'ah and Aban bin Uthman) by the grading of Majlisi

supporting this meaning is a Dhaif Hadith in Sanad due to Sahl bin Ziyad

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A number of our companions from Sahl bin Ziyad from Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Abi Nasr from Dawud bin Sirhan from Zurara who said : I asked Abi Abdillah (a.s) on the words of Allah (s.w.t) "The adulterer marries not but an adulteress or a polytheist..." He said: these (not allowed marriage with them) are women famous (known) for fornication and men famous (known) for fornication they became famous and known (identified) by it and the people today are in such a state so if one has undergone punishment for fornication or blamed for it none is allowed to marry him/her untill Tawba is known from them

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I wanted to post this to counter a very serious, but unfortunately all to common misconception that was posted by a member in another thread. The thread was locked at the thread starter's request, so in respect to that I'm not going to call up more than necessary from the content of the thread. In addition, to avoid perception that this is some "personal" attack on the misinformed poster rather than a simple correction of an error, I will leave out the poster's name as well.

Anyway, basically a poster in the other thread brought forward the following Qu'ran verse to argue that someone who has indulged in fornication in the past cannot marry someone who did not engage in fornication.

That is, the poster implies that one who has in the past comitted fornication is unmarriageable to the chaste, and even to the believer, presumably.

I just want to point out for those who might be misled by this ignorant interpretation that it is incorrect. This verse is relevant only to those who are actively and unreformedly engaged in fornication. It does not apply to those who made a mistake in the past, learned from it, and have returned to a chaste way of life.

We are told REPEATEDLY and EMPHATICALLY that when we turn away from active sin in regret and repentance, putting it behind us, that God forgives us.

If God can forgive us in such cases, then surely we can and indeed must do so as well as a moral obligation.

May God protect us from the misinformed and destructive rantings of the ignorant.

Bro just carry on reading the surah it says except those who repent

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