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U.s. Intel. Admits 911 Was An Inside Job

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(WMR) — Multiple U.S. intelligence sources have reported to WMR that a super-classified network with only some 70 terminals in select U.S. government locations handled the parallel command-and-control activities that permitted the 9/11 terrorist attacks to be successful.

The “above top secret” network bears the acronym “PDAS.” WMR has not yet discovered what the acronym stands for, however, the system is limited to only a few hundred people with Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) Special Access Program (SAP) need-to-know access, in addition to the president and vice president.

On September 11, 2001, PDAS was used to convey the information from the Air Force Chief of Staff to the White House, CIA, and other select agencies that the Air Force had successfully intercepted and downed a target over Pennsylvania. It is believed that the “target” in question was United flight 93, although there is no confirmation that the aircraft was in fact the one downed by Air Force interceptors.

The Air Force Chief of Staff on 9/11 was General John Jumper, who had become the top Air Force commander on September 6, 2001, just five days before the 9/11 attacks.

There is also reason to believe that the PDAS terminal at the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) at the White House was used to coordinate the activities related to the aerial attack on the Pentagon. Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta claimed Vice President Richard Cheney was present at the PEOC at 9:25 am on the morning of 9/11, before the alleged impact of American Airlines flight 77 on the building.

Mineta testified before the 9/11 Commission that Cheney was aware of special orders concerning a plane heading toward Washington. Mineta said: “During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the vice president . . . the plane is 50 miles out . . . the plane is 30 miles out. . . . and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president ‘do the orders still stand?’ And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, ‘Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary?’”

PDAS terminals are reportedly located at the White House, on board Air Force One, the Pentagon, CIA headquarters, the National Security Agency, the Boeing E-4 Advanced Airborne Command Post that was seen flying over Washington, DC, on 9/11 after the attacks, the Defense Intelligence Agency at Bolling Air Force Base in Washington, DC, and the Raven Rock Mountain Complex in Pennsylvania where Cheney hid out after the 9/11 attacks.

Mineta later followed up with reporters and stated, “When I overheard something about ‘the orders still stand’ and so, what I thought of was that they had already made the decision to shoot something down.”

It now appears that PDAS was used by Cheney to implement on the morning of 9/11 a new policy issued on June 1, 2001 that provided for a ”stand down” protocol that replaced a long-standing shoot-down order for hijacked and suspected hijacked planes. The new order transferred the authority to shoot down aircraft from the Pentagon and NORAD military commanders to the president, vice president, or secretary of defense.

Wayne Madsen (Investigative Journalist, Former NSA/US Navy)

http://www.infowars.com/the-super-classified-network-that-served-as-command-and-control-for-the-911-false-flag-attack-on-america/

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mmmm, I don't know what to make out of the article above. The journo probably guna get 'conspiracy theorist' tag.

We all know it was an inside job. There is absolutelyyy no doubt about it in my mind

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One word: Nonsense.

Why don't you actually refute it logically instead of just being a troll and burying your head in the sand. Which part of it is nonsense? Which part is a lie or made up?

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Why don't you actually refute it logically instead of just being a troll and burying your head in the sand. Which part of it is nonsense? Which part is a lie or made up?

There is nothing there to merit a refutation. This "proof" of the inside involvement has been in circulation in various forms since 9/11. So I am not surprised.

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mmmm, I don't know what to make out of the article above. The journo probably guna get 'conspiracy theorist' tag.

We all know it was an inside job. There is absolutelyyy no doubt about it in my mind

This fallacious line of defense is the only reply from those who attack the truth and defend a lie.

Here are some examples:

AIPAC/pro-Zionist lobby groups are powerful and dictate U.S. Foreign Policy. Conspiracy Theory!

The Federal Reserve is a conglomerate group of private banks. Conspiracy Theory!

The CIA formed Al Qaeda and funded it against the Soviets. Conspiracy Theory!

Most of the U.S media is owned by just 5 corporations. Conspiracy Theory!

Rupert Murdoch is a Zionist Jew who owns FOX News! Conspiracy Theory!

There is nothing there to merit a refutation. This "proof" of the inside involvement has been in circulation in various forms since 9/11. So I am not surprised.

lol your logic is flawed in many ways. The whole premise is wrong simply because there are various forms. By that logic Islam should also be wrong since we have so many different sects telling different versions of the story.

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This fallacious line of defense is the only reply from those who attack the truth and defend a lie.

Here are some examples:

AIPAC/pro-Zionist lobby groups are powerful and dictate U.S. Foreign Policy. Conspiracy Theory!

The Federal Reserve is a conglomerate group of private banks. Conspiracy Theory!

The CIA formed Al Qaeda and funded it against the Soviets. Conspiracy Theory!

Most of the U.S media is owned by just 5 corporations. Conspiracy Theory!

Rupert Murdoch is a Zionist Jew who owns FOX News! Conspiracy Theory!

Ey man, you need not tell me bout that. I actually had a presentation about the fed reserve... safe to say I ain't putting myself through such a thing again. The world is filled with babooooons :squeez:

As for 9/11, don't believe anything until its officially denied. Which it was by Baby Bush. Btw can anyone find an official CIA list of the alleged terrorists on those planes? I remember checking that ages ago and several of the men had turned up alive in other countries, startled that their names & photos were on the CIA terrorist list lol

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The best book out there is probably Webster Tarpley's 9-11 Synthetic Terror. Bush is nothing but a puppet like all the presidents, this books reveals the rogue networks inside the US Gov. that's responsible for 9-11, Iran-Contra, Kennedy Assasinations etc.

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The best book out there is probably Webster Tarpley's 9-11 Synthetic Terror. Bush is nothing but a puppet like all the presidents, this books reveals the rogue networks inside the US Gov. that's responsible for 9-11, Iran-Contra, Kennedy Assasinations etc.

(salam)

havent read that book. Thanks for that.

There is a lot of info on all this (with evidence) it affects us all. Whether we believe it or not IMOA choosing to ignore the evidence against these liars is futile, denial. Dangerous to self, and those we are resposible for.

Being an average Joe or dying like a Jane Doe is strangely compelling for some.

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Exactly, infowars/Alex Jones is about as credible as David Icke.

He has ridiculed David Ickes reptillian nonsense. Alex Jones is far more credible than David Icke and your Playboy Aga Khan. Though he is not 100% right about all the things, he is right on most of the issues. Furthermore this article isn't written by Alex Jones, its Wayne Madsen's an investigateive journalist and Former NSA/US Navy.

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GORDON DUFF: SABROSKY INTERVIEW TIES ISRAEL TO 9/11

Gordon Duff is a Marine Vietnam veteran, grunt and 100% disabled vet. He has been a featured commentator on TV and radio including Al Jazeera and his articles have been carried by news services around the world. He has been a UN Diplomat, defense contractor and is a widely published expert on military and defense issues. He is active in the financial industry and is a specialist on global trade. Gordon Duff acts as political and economic advisor to a number of governments in Africa and the Middle East. Gordon Duff is currently working on economic development projects in Pakistan and Afghanistan to counter the effects of poverty and global extremism.

Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former director of studies at the US Army War College

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/03/19/22329/

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I don't understand why followers of Ahlul Bayt (as) are so keen on defending the Muawiyas and Yazids of today. Although there is no doubt in my mind that the government allowed 911 to happen, it is also equally true that the Nasibis were the ones who carried it out. Just because Bush Baba knew about it doesn't absolve OBL Baba of responsibility.

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Exactly, infowars/Alex Jones is about as credible as David Icke.

Yes. These are the sort of sources gullible people rely on and quote ad nauseam on web forums.

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GORDON DUFF: SABROSKY INTERVIEW TIES ISRAEL TO 9/11

Gordon Duff is a Marine Vietnam veteran, grunt and 100% disabled vet. He has been a featured commentator on TV and radio including Al Jazeera and his articles have been carried by news services around the world. He has been a UN Diplomat, defense contractor and is a widely published expert on military and defense issues. He is active in the financial industry and is a specialist on global trade. Gordon Duff acts as political and economic advisor to a number of governments in Africa and the Middle East. Gordon Duff is currently working on economic development projects in Pakistan and Afghanistan to counter the effects of poverty and global extremism.

Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former director of studies at the US Army War College

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/03/19/22329/

(salam)

Thanks the proof is available to all if they care to seek.

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If people dont care why should I ? :D

Al khorasan has given links for a quick peek, also a book for proper analysis, I have posted a link to an independent radio stations film, finally you have posted an article with a jew who is a marine etc outlining zionism and the inconsistancy of this 'story' . most Americans believe it was an inside job also.

BTW intellegent people dont just watch videos or look at links. They write down the supposed proofs and whistle blowers then check to see if they said what they said and if they are credible.

I posted a site with many officials aying it is an inside job, it is not gullible to take these claims and investigate them. How the hell do you investigate David Ickes delusions?? (Gulible people believe lies.)

What is the counter agrument? just discredit and downplay? Where is the proof it was a terrorist operation? For which the Authorities had no idea in the first place? equa;;y surprising is that 'shia' stand behind Bushes claims regardless. Better they say I dont know. certain events dont match up.

Personally I will not be arguing perceptions of reality. I am not being paid to argue, troll threads,name call and skew everything it doesnt pay my bills or sustain me in anyway. No use for it. :)

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Yes. These are the sort of sources gullible people rely on and quote ad nauseam on web forums.

They are all sourced from Official Government documents. Attacking the messengers instead of the message won't get you any followers. The twin towers were built to withstand a direct hit from a boeing plane, how ever they collapsed demolition style on its footprints. Molten metal was also found when its impossible for Jet fuel to melt steel. Building 7 is the most obvious proof, it had no plane impact yet collapsed demolition style. The drills going on with NORAD and the Airforce the same day were all "eerily" similar to the actual "terrorist attacks", designed to keep air defense down. Larry Silverstein upgrading his insurance to cover a "terrorist attack" weeks before the event is also suspicious. Not to mention the millions made from put options on the stock market and insider trading days before the attack. There are too many inconsistencies with the official story and frankly anyone who disregards these as a mere "conspiracy theory" is a brainwashed moron.

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^

Ok. It was an inside job. Now cry me a river.

(salam)

I think what they're trying to prove by convincing people that it was inside job is to take those people out of the fold of ignorance; why are you being so spiteful to all this? It's literally an open secret that the government was behind 9-11.

No one is planning on crying a river... They're just trying to unite the whole world against the occult societies that planned all this.

Chill out bro :wacko: ...

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Alex Jones is far more credible than David Icke and your Playboy Aga Khan.

:lol:

When I changed my title, I wonder how long it would take till someone made a comment like this, about a week or so, a lot better than I expected. I expected something within a couple of days.

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:lol:

When I changed my title, I wonder how long it would take till someone made a comment like this, about a week or so, a lot better than I expected. I expected something within a couple of days.

People don't take followers of a playboy puppet Imam too serious when they criticize others.

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People don't take followers of a playboy puppet Imam too serious when they criticize others.

Who says I'm not a Bohra? Whos says I'm Ismaiili for the matter? Besides my title.

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Who says I'm not a Bohra? Whos says I'm Ismaiili for the matter? Besides my title.

Bohras are no different they just have their dai-mutlaq instead of Aga Khan. If your not an Ismaili and your just putting that in your title then your playing games by misleading people.

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It's literally an open secret that the government was behind 9-11.

No one is planning on crying a river... They're just trying to unite the whole world against the occult societies that planned all this.

LOL. You are having a laugh mate. Open secrets and occult societies. Geese a break plzzz.

Bohras are no different they just have their dai-mutlaq instead of Aga Khan. If your not an Ismaili and your just putting that in your title then your playing games by misleading people.

What Frosty's religion has got to do with Alex Jones being credible or not?

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What Frosty's religion has got to do with Alex Jones being credible or not?

He believes in a fraduster yet accuses others without a shred of evidence. He ridicules David Icke (whose theories I do not fully agree with) but finds it absolutely right to follow someone with even crazier theories than David Icke.

LOL. You are having a laugh mate. Open secrets and occult societies. Geese a break plzzz.

Fallacy of Argument. Appeal to Ridicule.

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Bohras are no different they just have their dai-mutlaq instead of Aga Khan. If your not an Ismaili and your just putting that in your title then your playing games by misleading people.

Not necessarily misleading people more I was interested in what type of response I would get from the mainstream Shi'a (Usooli/Akhbari) community. I was inspired by the "are the Isma'ilis muslim?" thead and I have always been interested in Isma'ilism and Isma'ili history and I think it's weird that the Shi'a (a minority in itself) mainstream would cast out this group (I don't intend to get into a debate about it here), though I do understand the history.

Whether or not I am an Isma'ili or not is irrelevant as far as this conversation goes and the comparison for your argument is shaky and silly.

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Not necessarily misleading people more I was interested in what type of response I would get from the mainstream Shi'a (Usooli/Akhbari) community. I was inspired by the "are the Isma'ilis muslim?" thead and I have always been interested in Isma'ilism and Isma'ili history and I think it's weird that the Shi'a (a minority in itself) mainstream would cast out this group (I don't intend to get into a debate about it here), though I do understand the history.

Whether or not I am an Isma'ili or not is irrelevant as far as this conversation goes and the comparison for your argument is shaky and silly.

Its as silly as your argument of ridiculing Alex Jones without refuting his theories. The whole point was to show you how silly you sound.

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In my opinion, if Obama were really turning on the Zionists there would be at least some noticeable change in terms of actions - not simply a change in words and rhetoric that ring hollow. They would kill Obama if there was even a hint that he was really inclined to remove them. Look at what they did to Jorg Haider in Austria who was Pro-Palestinian and very outspoken about Zionist control in Europe. Some interesting things are being thrown out to the public, though. We'll have to see what comes from it all. Given the domestic strife the Zionists are stirring up in the US over the immigation and border issues, things may come to a head very quickly...

A generals' revolt against Zionist domination of US policy?

Is the top US brass getting tired of working for the IDF?

Tonight's radio guest*, Religious Studies professor Ira Chernus, just published an article entitled Blood or Treasure: Obama's Crucial Choice in the Middle East. The article begins: "Writing about U.S. Middle East policy used to be a boring job. You'd start out with 'The U.S. supports Israel's stand on...' and then just fill in the details. No longer. Many pundits claim to smell the winds of policy change blowing from the White House."

Why the change? Admitting that there is little hard information, just "a riot of rumors," Chernus suggests that a "new message from the military elite" is pushing the Obama administration to confront the Zionists. According to Chernus, such top US military leaders as Gen. Petraeus are drawing a line in the sand between America's interests and Israel's interests.

Next week's radio guest** Gordon Duff, suggests that the source of this generals' revolt is the rapidly spreading knowledge among the US military elite that 9/11 was a Zionist false-flag operation. Duff, editor of Veterans' Today and self-styled key source for leaks from high-level US military figures, told me last week that more and more US officers are aware of and unhappy about Israel's 9/11 false-flag attack on America and continuing Mossad sponsorship of such follow-up false-flag events as the underwear bombing escapade. He added that Obama has sided with the generals against the Israelis, who, he says, are trying to cover their 9/11 tracks through a "flight forward" into a wider Mideast war, presumably one ignited by another big false-flag attack on America. (Duff's prediction of an immanent false-flag event was quickly followed by the Times Square episode, another pathetic "bomb that couldn't possibly blow up" song-and-dance presumably sponsored by the usual suspects.)

Duff suggests Obama and the newly 9/11-savvy military leaders are up against near-complete Zionist control of Congress and the media.

Is Duff right about 9/11 truth being the key factor turning the generals, and with them the Obama Administration, against the Zionist regime of 9/11 suspect Benjamin Netanyahu? Listen to my interviews with Chernus tonight, and Duff next week, then decide for yourself.

http://truthjihad.blogspot.com/2010/05/generals-revolt-against-zionist.html

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Its as silly as your argument of ridiculing Alex Jones without refuting his theories.

I wasn't "ridiculing," Alex Jones (don't be so sensational), I said one declarative statement that was of my own opinion. Stop jock riding. His "theories," (if they can even be called as such) aren't worth my time, which is why and how people like him continue to exist is because people with intelligence (like me) don't take him seriously enough to counter-argue his glorified talking points. Not only this, but every single "theory," that is put forth by the 9/11 "truth," movement has always been met with another theory that totally disproves the aforementioned theory, so I don't really feel inclined to waste my time arguing about Jones' "theories." This is all coming from a man, who once told members of the RCP that the Socialist revolution that took place in Russia in 1917 was bank rolled by Western capitalist powers or something equally as idiotic. If memory serves, I think he also was the one that claimed that the American government unleashed swine flu.

The "inside job," theory to me, sounds highly improbable. I once saw a documentary in which a scholar said for the "inside job," theory to work, the minimum amount of people it would have took for 9/11 to happen would have been around right around 4 to 5,000 people. You're telling me that, that many American government employees would have kept their mouth about THE worst domestic attack on American soil to date? The same government who couldn't tell the difference between their hole and a hole in the ground? Come on, I don't give the U.S. government that much credit, these are the same people you see at the mall picking their noses and trying to find shoes with lights in them. It's more probable and a lot easier for me to believe that 19 al-Qaeda operatives, learned to fly a plane straight then committed an attack. I mean, I would give the 9/11 "truth," movement more credit if their theories weren't so absurd.

I mean seriously, why is so hard to believe that "official," story happened? What started your disbelief? Is it because (to you) if you accept the "official," story then you support America and it's government and it's policies by proxy? I mean seriously why is so hard to believe that a militant guerrilla group committed a guerrilla act of war? But yet it's easier to believe that thousands of workers and the U. S. government pulled all these shenanigans with everyone keeping quiet before and after and no one noticed anything suspicious happening at all? Come on, give me a break.

I mean it was and is an extremely unpopular war, it has caused immense distrust in and hatred toward the government, it drained the economy, it left President Bush's approval rating at 22% which is one if not the lowest rating a President has had since Gallup started polling people in 1938, it ruined our standing among other Nations. I mean there is no upside to this story at all.

Ever heard of Occam's razor?

The whole point was to show you how silly you sound.

I don't sound silly at all, I'm not the one floundering about trying argue. Using the Aga Khan as an insult against me/my statement, really? I mean really?

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to the OP: listen to marbles. ATS are FAMOUS for being working for the "establishment". they monitor IP addresses and locations and all kinds of dodgy stuff. visit that website at your own peril.

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The "inside job," theory to me, sounds highly improbable. I once saw a documentary in which a scholar said for the "inside job," theory to work, the minimum amount of people it would have took for 9/11 to happen would have been around right around 4 to 5,000 people. You're telling me that, that many American government employees would have kept their mouth about THE worst domestic attack on American soil to date? The same government who couldn't tell the difference between their hole and a hole in the ground? Come on, I don't give the U.S. government that much credit, these are the same people you see at the mall picking their noses and trying to find shoes with lights in them. It's more probable and a lot easier for me to believe that 19 al-Qaeda operatives, learned to fly a plane straight then committed an attack. I mean, I would give the 9/11 "truth," movement more credit if their theories weren't so absurd.

I don't sound silly at all, I'm not the one floundering about trying argue. Using the Aga Khan as an insult against me/my statement, really? I mean really?

ditto.  US gov't officials love to leak juicy tidbits that will steamroll political rivals. if the conspiracy were true we would know it by now.

the only ones who sound silly are the ones who cannot admit that muslims are capable of the same sort of heinous crimes that are directed against them.  the only thing that can resist power is power, quit playing these stupid games.  

muslims are weak because our leaders suck (with the exception of a few like Nasrallah).  muslims are weak because we think human rights are empty. muslims are weak because we have no ability to be forward in our thinking which is required if we want a long term strategy.  muslims are weak because we let the zionist bogeyman paralyze us.  

i have news for us all, despotism is every bit an invention of modernity as are the liberal democracies.  it was not until modernity that the 'state' was capable of the sort of consolidated centralized power we formerly saw in Iraq, and what we see in Egypt, Syria, and the IRI.   Why do the Muslims embrace modern despotism and yet turn away from modern democracy?  Don't you think maybe we are being duped by our "leaders?"  why do you think you don't deserve human rights?

the silly people like to ask "who benefited the most from the attacks?," and then go on to try to show how america somehow benefited.  i think it is pretty obvious the shias and/or the IRI have benefited the most, so what does that mean?  

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ditto.  US gov't officials love to leak juicy tidbits that will steamroll political rivals. if the conspiracy were true we would know it by now.

There is even a website (which has been used, see the helicopter video scandal) called Wikileaks, which prime purpose is to make it easy for people to leak sensitive/secretive information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikileaks

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I wasn't "ridiculing," Alex Jones (don't be so sensational), I said one declarative statement that was of my own opinion. Stop jock riding. His "theories," (if they can even be called as such) aren't worth my time, which is why and how people like him continue to exist is because people with intelligence (like me) don't take him seriously enough to counter-argue his glorified talking points. Not only this, but every single "theory," that is put forth by the 9/11 "truth," movement has always been met with another theory that totally disproves the aforementioned theory, so I don't really feel inclined to waste my time arguing about Jones' "theories." This is all coming from a man, who once told members of the RCP that the Socialist revolution that took place in Russia in 1917 was bank rolled by Western capitalist powers or something equally as idiotic. If memory serves, I think he also was the one that claimed that the American government unleashed swine flu.

You're using strawman arguments now, I never said I believe everything he has said. 9-11 is clearly an inside Job and its not just Alex Jones who has said this, prominents people in Government, Academia, Historians, Scholars, Engineers, Scientists and many more have this opinion.

The "inside job," theory to me, sounds highly improbable. I once saw a documentary in which a scholar said for the "inside job," theory to work, the minimum amount of people it would have took for 9/11 to happen would have been around right around 4 to 5,000 people. You're telling me that, that many American government employees would have kept their mouth about THE worst domestic attack on American soil to date? The same government who couldn't tell the difference between their hole and a hole in the ground? Come on, I don't give the U.S. government that much credit, these are the same people you see at the mall picking their noses and trying to find shoes with lights in them. It's more probable and a lot easier for me to believe that 19 al-Qaeda operatives, learned to fly a plane straight then committed an attack. I mean, I would give the 9/11 "truth," movement more credit if their theories weren't so absurd.

What about the Gulf of Tonkin incident that has been admitted by NSA and and McNamara to be an inside Job. How did the "Government Employees" decide to keep their mouths shut and keep us in the dark for 40 years. Furthermore your assumption is wrong to begin with, their are whistleblowers like Sible Edmonds the FBI translator and Col. Anthony Shaffer, but they have been gagged by the authorities. What about operation Northwoods? How many people know about the US government planning domestic false flag terrorist attacks well prior to 9-11. The official theory sounds more absurd, you expect me to believe 19 imbesciles who couldnt even fly the planes brought down 3 building with only 2 planes when those building were made to withstand such an attack. All this carried out by the CIA patsy Usama bin Laden in a cave in Afghanistan. Not to mention they stood down NORAD too, did Usama bin laden call in to NORAD and tell them to stay put? What about the drills on the same day that were almost exactly the same as the real events, created to manipulate Air Defenses. You sound like someone with very limited knoweldge on this subject, I'd advise you to watch the movie Loose Change just to get the basics and then watch some lectures by Webster Tarpley to get the full details.

I mean seriously, why is so hard to believe that "official," story happened? What started your disbelief? Is it because (to you) if you accept the "official," story then you support America and it's government and it's policies by proxy? I mean seriously why is so hard to believe that a militant guerrilla group committed a guerrilla act of war? But yet it's easier to believe that thousands of workers and the U. S. government pulled all these shenanigans with everyone keeping quiet before and after and no one noticed anything suspicious happening at all? Come on, give me a break.

Cave men executing one of the most successful terrorist attack on the same day as the drill were going on that were almost a carbon copy of the cave men's plans. Also notifying Larry Silverstein to ring up his insurance company and take a cover for terrorist attacks. Not to mention the put options made on the stock market days before the attacks that made some people very rich indeed. Come on give me a break.

I mean it was and is an extremely unpopular war, it has caused immense distrust in and hatred toward the government, it drained the economy, it left President Bush's approval rating at 22% which is one if not the lowest rating a President has had since Gallup started polling people in 1938, it ruined our standing among other Nations. I mean there is no upside to this story at all

Billions of defense contracts obtained by the Military Industrial Complex, the control of the Oil in the Middle East, the rise of Heroin cultivation, surrounding Iran on both sides, Cutting off major gas lines to China from Iran, estabilishing bases in Russias backyard. You really have no clue about geo-politics.

Ever heard of Occam's razor?

Occams razor is firstly not a logical fallacy, secondly it states that for a certain premise the theory with the least of amount of conjectures should be applied. The theory of 19 patsies carrying out one of the most successful terrorist attacks using 2 planes to bring down 3 building, when those building were made to withstand such attacks all done on a day when NORAD was busy conducting drills very similar to the real life events is refuted by Occams razor.

I don't sound silly at all, I'm not the one floundering about trying argue. Using the Aga Khan as an insult against me/my statement, really? I mean really?

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LOL. You are having a laugh mate. Open secrets and occult societies. Geese a break plzzz.

What Frosty's religion has got to do with Alex Jones being credible or not?

(salam)

To be honest, I wasn't a fan of conspiracy theories myself. But I have had plenty of time to examine whether it was an inside job. Sorry to say, but it is a complete inside job. I even know someone who's uncle was a fireman working on the rescue mission in one of the towers, and the demolitions he heard inside are his first-hand accounted sighting (that's just the tip of the iceberg).

Muslims are not capable of something so well-planned and advanced. It has taken me 3 years to conclude that. The truth stares at you 24/7; it's up to you to believe it. I can lay out tonnes of evidences to support my claim.

Also, the occult societies I mentioned do exist. It's not me you need a break from; it's the voice in your head that keeps forcing you to accept 9/11 as a legitimate Muslims' plan, that you need the break from.

(wasalam)

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One word: Nonsense.

There is nothing there to merit a refutation. This "proof" of the inside involvement has been in circulation in various forms since 9/11. So I am not surprised.

Yes. These are the sort of sources gullible people rely on and quote ad nauseam on web forums.

^Ok. It was an inside job. Now cry me a river.

LOL. You are having a laugh mate. Open secrets and occult societies. Geese a break plzzz.What Frosty's religion has got to do with Alex Jones being credible or not?

Living in UK and giving your loyalty to Queen Mother?

A typical Pakistani betraying muslims for a few cents. Your government sold Afghanistan to western powers and now they have sold their own country Pakistan. First time I agree "the people deserving their leaders".

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