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Should Muslims Vote?


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The Muslim Forum

Presents

SHOULD MUSLIMS VOTE?

A Question of Identity & Interaction in Britain

With the British General Elections round the corner, Muslims in Britain have to ask some long hard questions about their interactions in British society and how best to preserve an Islamic identity. The Muslim Forum challenges the status quo and asks the question: Should Muslims vote in the upcoming elections? The event features short presentations from each panellist followed by an extensive open forum question and answer session.

Chairperson:

Ali Ridha Jaffer

Panellists include:

Dr. Mohammad Saeed Bahmanpour

Principal of the Islamic College

Ahmed Haneef

Cleric & Lecturer in Islamic Studies

Ismail Patel

You Elect

Arzu Merali

Co-founder, Islamic Human Rights Commission

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Date: Sunday 18th April 2010

Time: 5.30pm - 8.00pm

Venue: Islamic Centre of England

140 Maida Vale, London, W9 1QB

Refreshments will be served

Organised by:

Islamic Centre of England (ICEL)

Supported by:

AhlulBayt Islamic Mission (AIM)

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thanks bro.

would like to know people's thoughts on this issue. do you think that it's worth voting in this country? is it worth voting in a country where the labour/conservative friends of israel spend millions in campaign donations, iraqi jews Saatchi&Saatchi spend millions to try to produce a winning campaign slogan for the zionist david cameron, the city state of london virtually controlled by zionist Islam haters...who you gonna vote for?

should be an interesting debate.

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MUSLIMS SHOULD NOT VOTE

Muslims are not allowed to take any Christian, Jew or non-Muslim as their leader. Allah(swt) says in the Quran:

O you who believe, do not take the Jews and the Christians as Awliya. They are allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

When these so called leaders invade Iraq and Afghanistan and kill millions of innocent Muslims, whoever helped them get in power are as guilty as them.

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MUSLIMS SHOULD NOT VOTE

Muslims are not allowed to take any Christian, Jew or non-Muslim as their leader. Allah(swt) says in the Quran:

O you who believe, do not take the Jews and the Christians as Awliya. They are allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

When these so called leaders invade Iraq and Afghanistan and kill millions of innocent Muslims, whoever helped them get in power are as guilty as them.

Well if they dont like having a non-Muslim leader, then the airlines will be back operating soon and they go back to countries where they can have a Muslim leader. Otherwise they have to accept the leader chosen by the majority in the country they live in, and accept rules and laws laid down by such leaders.

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Maybe vote for Labour again then which has saddled the UK with the biggest debt it has ever know, and have been in charge when the decided to attack Iraq and Afghanistan. Or vote for Lib dems and Clegg.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1267445/General-Election-2010-Clegg-says-Im-man-change.html

Mr Clegg bought a house with a £279,000 mortgage in his Sheffield constituency within six months of being elected in 2005.

Over the next four years, he regularly claimed almost the maximum possible in second home expenses - taking his total claims to beyond £90,000.

As well as interest payments of £1,018 on the loan, he charged for stamp duty, land registry and legal costs for the purchase totalling £9,244.50.

And in the next few months, he fitted a £2,600 kitchen and had almost £6,000 worth of decorating done including new carpets, laminate flooring and tiles.

He also claimed for items including £1.50 paper napkins, a £2.49 cake tin and cushions at £4.99 after a shopping trip to Ikea in 2006.

In July 2007, he claimed £680 for gardening including to build a 'small wall in rose garden' and prune some trees and £760 for repairs to a garden path.

The following year, he had his expenses docked by more than £100 for exceeding the £23,083 maximum allowance.

But here was Cleggs reply LOL

Today, he insisted: 'I am the MP for Sheffield Hallam. I used the allowance to keep a home in Sheffield... It's a modest semi-detached home.

'It was in a state of complete disrepair, the garden was a complete eyesore, it hadn't been touched for ages. You make it sound like some great palatial residence.

Sheffield is a cheap area for housing compared to many places in the UK, but nearly £300K could only buy him a totally run down house, and he needed the tax player to fork out nearly another £100K over the last few years to make it decent?. Why not do it using his own salary like the rest of the working people have to?

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Well if they dont like having a non-Muslim leader, then the airlines will be back operating soon and they go back to countries where they can have a Muslim leader. Otherwise they have to accept the leader chosen by the majority in the country they live in, and accept rules and laws laid down by such leaders

Says who, you? If we always accepted the majority we'd still be believing the Earth was Flat and it was the center of the universe. Appeal to Population is a logical fallacy and the Western Secular Democracy is based upon this fallacy. Secondly you make a false assumption that all Muslims are immigrants when the majority are British Citizens. Also no one has to accept such ridiculous laws of murdering 1 million innocent civilians based on lies. This is like telling the Germans to accept Hitler as your leader since he has the majority of the support and accept his killing of Jews and other civilians.

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Says who, you? If we always accepted the majority we'd still be believing the Earth was Flat and it was the center of the universe. Appeal to Population is a logical fallacy and the Western Secular Democracy is based upon this fallacy. Secondly you make a false assumption that all Muslims are immigrants when the majority are British Citizens. Also no one has to accept such ridiculous laws of murdering 1 million innocent civilians based on lies. This is like telling the Germans to accept Hitler as your leader since he has the majority of the support and accept his killing of Jews and other civilians.

You are confusing science with politics. As for it being a Western Secular Democracy, well then I gather it strange that Khamenei congratulated the people on the large turnout in the Iranian Presidential election, and I also assume you do not believe that Ahmadinejad is President of Iran, as he voted in?

I guess Iranian's in Iran, who are non Muslim and not immigrants who are non Muslim need not accept Ahmadinejad as President of Iran either, and can refuse to accept the laws of the state, like wearing hijab etc..., which is a Islamic law, and hence should not apply to them as they are not Muslims?

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As far as I'm concerned I don't care who wins as long as it's not Labour!

What makes you think another party will be any different, the Labour party portrayed themselves as more left-wing and anti-war but if you look at their recent leaders they have started more wars than Margaret Thatcher. They all work for the same interests and show a false paradigm to dupe gullible people. It the same story with Republican and Democrats in the US.

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You are confusing science with politics. As for it being a Western Secular Democracy, well then I gather it strange that Khamenei congratulated the people on the large turnout in the Iranian Presidential election, and I also assume you do not believe that Ahmadinejad is President of Iran, as he voted in?

I guess Iranian's in Iran, who are non Muslim and not immigrants who are non Muslim need not accept Ahmadinejad as President of Iran either, and can refuse to accept the laws of the state, like wearing hijab etc..., which is a Islamic law, and hence should not apply to them as they are not Muslims?

So logic and science applies to everything except when it comes to Western Secular Democracy, lol. Iran is not a Secular Democracy its an Islamic Republic. You need to learn some politics before you can have a discussion about it.

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What makes you think another party will be any different, the Labour party portrayed themselves as more left-wing and anti-war but if you look at their recent leaders they have started more wars than Margaret Thatcher. They all work for the same interests and show a false paradigm to dupe gullible people. It the same story with Republican and Democrats in the US.

I know all the parties have the same agendas and have the same views regarding international affairs but my main worry is what's best for Britain because this is the country which we're living in and we want better standards of living. Look how much trouble Gorden Brown brought ever since he was elected. There's been so much unemployment, criminals let out of prison early etc and he did nothing about it. I'm contemplating that Lib Dems are gonna win this election... I guess we have to wait in anticipation and find out the results soon after the election...

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Sheikh Ahmad Haneef was right about one thing in this debate, and I regret being sick that day and able to attend, that we need an organized muslim grassroots movement with strong and focused leadership to counter the racist oligarchy of the duopoly of labour/tory. This system is not sustainable, but we have no business in changing the status quo, so what it boils down to is representation on a local community level by a united muslim front that can cater for the needs of its people.

the example he gave is the jewish community, and he's absolutely right. the labour and conservative friends of israel are the most powerful jewish lobby groups in all of europe, virtually directing british foreign policy wrt the middle east.

we need to counter that head on, and stop procrastinating behind our computer screens and tv's and playstations. we need a non-secular grassroots movement of believers of all faiths to counter the dehumanizing materialistic stupification of our children and families and be pro-active for once.

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Sheikh Ahmad Haneef was right about one thing in this debate, and I regret being sick that day and able to attend, that we need an organized muslim grassroots movement with strong and focused leadership to counter the racist oligarchy of the duopoly of labour/tory. This system is not sustainable, but we have no business in changing the status quo, so what it boils down to is representation on a local community level by a united muslim front that can cater for the needs of its people.

the example he gave is the jewish community, and he's absolutely right. the labour and conservative friends of israel are the most powerful jewish lobby groups in all of europe, virtually directing british foreign policy wrt the middle east.

we need to counter that head on, and stop procrastinating behind our computer screens and tv's and playstations. we need a non-secular grassroots movement of believers of all faiths to counter the dehumanizing materialistic stupification of our children and families and be pro-active for once.

I was going to attend but I was unable to. Did they film the lecture?

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To Vote in Elections of Non-Islamic Countries

Q: Is it allowed to vote in national elections of non-Islamic countries? If yes, is it permitted to vote for a candidate who enjoys Muslims’ support in certain issues (e.g. the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq) and not for another candidate?

A: There is no objection to voting for candidates in elections of national councils to take charge of Islamically lawful social and political responsibilities. In this regard, it makes no difference whether the candidate is

a Muslim or not.

Imam Khamenei (HA)

http://leader.ir/tree/index.php?catid=72

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To Vote in Elections of Non-Islamic Countries

Q: Is it allowed to vote in national elections of non-Islamic countries? If yes, is it permitted to vote for a candidate who enjoys Muslims’ support in certain issues (e.g. the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq) and not for another candidate?

A: There is no objection to voting for candidates in elections of national councils to take charge of Islamically lawful social and political responsibilities. In this regard, it makes no difference whether the candidate is

a Muslim or not.

Imam Khamenei (HA)

http://leader.ir/tree/index.php?catid=72

Supporting homosexuality, supporting the massacre of innocent Muslims and occupations of Muslim Lands is NOT Islamically Lawful.

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We have to think about the person whom we are voting. regardless of any party. we have to think what are the policies this person has for local area. what change be possible before we decide to vote in favour of any person.

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We have to think about the person whom we are voting. regardless of any party. we have to think what are the policies this person has for local area. what change be possible before we decide to vote in favour of any person.

how can you vote for a party that supports illegal wars and is supported by the most influential israeli lobby group in Europe?

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