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Israel 'will build in Jerusalem'

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has asserted Israel's "right to build" in Jerusalem, following a row with the US over plans for new homes in the city.

"Jerusalem is not a settlement, it's our capital," he said in Washington.

But Mr Netanyahu did not mention controversial plans to build 1,600 new homes in East Jerusalem in his speech to a US pro-Israel lobby group.

Earlier US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told the meeting Israel should make "difficult choices" for peace.

The Palestinian Authority is furious at Israel's insistence on building on occupied territory.

It sees it as a serious stumbling block to the resumption of talks, which have been stalled for more than a year.

Call to Abbas

In his speech to a convention of the influential American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac), Mr Netanyahu said that "the Jewish people were building Jerusalem 3,000 years ago and the Jewish people are building it today".

But he said construction "in no way precludes the possibility of a two-state solution".

ANALYSIS

Jeremy Bowen, BBC Middle East editor, Washington Prime Minister Netanyahu made a tough speech, reasserting what he believes to be Israel's right to build wherever it wants in Jerusalem.

Israel's latest building plans in occupied East Jerusalem have been condemned by the Obama administration and are at the heart of the current crisis in relations between the two countries.

Both sides have been trying to take the heat of the dispute, re-emphasising their friendship.

Perhaps Mr Netanyahu has given some kind of private assurance to the Americans that he won't surprise them with any more building projects.

But his speech shows that on the fundamentals of the issue the US and Israel are far apart.

He said Israel wanted Palestinians to be "our neighbours, living freely".

He also called on Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas to "come and negotiate peace".

Mr Netanyahu added that said while the US could help resolve the problems with the Palestinians, peace could not be imposed from the outside.

Speaking just hours earlier to the same audience, Mrs Clinton urged Mr Netanyahu to extend Israel's suspension of new building in the West Bank to include East Jerusalem.

She said the continued expansion of Jewish settlements undermined the US role in the peace process.

Last week, the Israeli prime minister proposed a series of "trust-building measures" that represented "a real effort" to aid US peace efforts.

Although details have not yet been made public, Israeli officials say these include an agreement to discuss all outstanding issues in the indirect "proximity talks" being mediated by US special envoy George Mitchell.

Nearly 500,000 Jews live in more than 100 settlements built since Israel's 1967 occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

They are held to be illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this.

In Monday's speech, Mr Netanyahu also said that "Iran's brazen bid to develop nuclear weapons... is the threat to the entire world".

He urged the world community to act "swiftly" to "swart this danger".

Iran insists his nuclear programme is peaceful.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/8582190.stm

Published: 2010/03/23 04:45:57 GMT

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Israel has been trying to maximize the territories/land it controls or occupies before any peace deal is made. Been at this for a long time. I think the Palestinians should try and get a peace deal under way ASAP to try and get back as much as possible, before there is nothing left of the West Bank. The longer they wait, the more they seem to be losing. They are not capable of stopping Israel militarily, a thorn in their side, but no real threat to Israel. If they think that Israel will miraculously disappear, and they will get ALL their land back, then they will be waiting a LONG time, and may end up with nothing. The UN will not force Israels hand, as it has BIG friends on the UN council.

When Michael Collins came back to Ireland with a deal for the 26 counties, rather than the whole 32, some were against it, but it allowed Ireland to stop the unwinnable war against the British, and let Ireland under peace develop into a decent country. The Northern 6 counties is now not quite the control of the British, and Sinn Fein could soon be the largest party in the North, and have the First Minister role. Who is to know what will happen with the disputed area's in Palestine in the future. Palestinians should focus on trying to get some kind of agreement for a state, that they can then build on, rather than waiting for the impossible.

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^Peace deals may work between separate but relatively equal sovereign nations or autonomous groups, but not between an occupying force and the occupied. Israel has a majority of the land, the majority of the influence, and the majority of the firepower. Any "peace" is just a gimmick to maintain that imbalance. A few symbolic concessions in exchange for completely sterilizing the Palestinian resistance seems like a good deal, which is exactly what they are going after.

Peace cannot come without justice, and nothing proposed by the Israelis has even a hint of this. People have been talking "peace" for years, but that hasn't stopped the massacre of thousands of Palestinians and the expansion in their territories. Is this the "peace" that Israel tries to lead by example? The fact that the "biggest democracy" in the Middle East did what it did best, and actually oppose democracy when it doesn't suit them. The Palestinians vote in Hamas in a free and fair election, and subsequently the Palestinian people are subjugated to a mass campaign of sanctions, bombardment, and punishment. Just for practicing their democratic rights? If Israel cannot even stand for Palestinian choices during elections, how do you expect them to listen to the Palestinians during any constructive dialogue?

By the way, there is no al-Qods in Ireland, and trust me, that makes all the difference.

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^Peace deals may work between separate but relatively equal sovereign nations or autonomous groups, but not between an occupying force and the occupied. Israel has a majority of the land, the majority of the influence, and the majority of the firepower. Any "peace" is just a gimmick to maintain that imbalance. A few symbolic concessions in exchange for completely sterilizing the Palestinian resistance seems like a good deal, which is exactly what they are going after.

Britian was an occupying force, and Ireland were the occupied at the time.

Peace cannot come without justice, and nothing proposed by the Israelis has even a hint of this. People have been talking "peace" for years, but that hasn't stopped the massacre of thousands of Palestinians and the expansion in their territories. Is this the "peace" that Israel tries to lead by example?

The British were no saints when they occupied Irelabd, and there we many massacres of thousands, not to mention the famine that forced on us, with the English governmenty running the country sending food abroad to the UK, when people were dying in Ireland.

The fact that the "biggest democracy" in the Middle East did what it did best, and actually oppose democracy when it doesn't suit them. The Palestinians vote in Hamas in a free and fair election, and subsequently the Palestinian people are subjugated to a mass campaign of sanctions, bombardment, and punishment. Just for practicing their democratic rights? If Israel cannot even stand for Palestinian choices during elections, how do you expect them to listen to the Palestinians during any constructive dialogue?

Most of the elected leader of Sinn Fein at the time were also arrested and imprisoned, and many were executed.

By the way, there is no al-Qods in Ireland, and trust me, that makes all the difference.

Can that not be a shared city?

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Israel 'will build in Jerusalem'

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has asserted Israel's "right to build" in Jerusalem, following a row with the US over plans for new homes in the city.

"Jerusalem is not a settlement, it's our capital," he said in Washington.

But Mr Netanyahu did not mention controversial plans to build 1,600 new homes in East Jerusalem in his speech to a US pro-Israel lobby group.

Earlier US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told the meeting Israel should make "difficult choices" for peace.

The Palestinian Authority is furious at Israel's insistence on building on occupied territory.

It sees it as a serious stumbling block to the resumption of talks, which have been stalled for more than a year.

This is comical. In our outrage over Netanyahu's blatant snub, Obama invites him to Washington for dinner (as the aggrieved party usually does) and he proceeds to give the president of the United states a back handed slap by calling Jerusalem the capital when the Palestinians, the UN, and the United States itself does not recognize it as such. Our Congress (which has not seen bi partisan cooperation in years) is suddenly seeing Republocrats and Demopublican jumping over each other like loved up school girls in attempts to praise Israel the loudest. The United States Congress is making no secret of the fact that they are more loyal to Israel than they are to their own president.

Netanyahu is begging for it and what does he get? Dinner and a "rock solid" commitment promise from Hillary Clinton. Oh but Joe Biden was so outraged by the snub that he showed up to dinner late.. that should teach Israel a lesson. Tough love much?

AIPAC has done its job well. Those lobbyists are not even that rich- they just have incredible game and now how cheaply American politicians can be bought.

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I love this. In fact, I hope that one day Israel is led by a man who makes Netanyahu seem like Emam Khomeini.

The more hawkish their leader is, the better the possibility of them overstepping their bounds. And the better the possibility of them overstepping their bounds, the better the possibility of the Zionist regime collapsing once and for all.

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This is comical. In our outrage over Netanyahu's blatant snub, Obama invites him to Washington for dinner (as the aggrieved party usually does) and he proceeds to give the president of the United states a back handed slap by calling Jerusalem the capital when the Palestinians, the UN, and the United States itself does not recognize it as such. Our Congress (which has not seen bi partisan cooperation in years) is suddenly seeing Republocrats and Demopublican jumping over each other like loved up school girls in attempts to praise Israel the loudest. The United States Congress is making no secret of the fact that they are more loyal to Israel than they are to their own president.

Netanyahu is begging for it and what does he get? Dinner and a "rock solid" commitment promise from Hillary Clinton. Oh but Joe Biden was so outraged by the snub that he showed up to dinner late.. that should teach Israel a lesson. Tough love much?

AIPAC has done its job well. Those lobbyists are not even that rich- they just have incredible game and now how cheaply American politicians can be bought.

I heard it wasnt as warm of a welcome as previous Israeli officials are used to. No press conference, no dinner, no pictures, no special treatment. The congress always ends up fully backing the Israely PM despite certain issues raised by the president before hand but I heard on a whole it wasnt all that supportive this time around.

Secondly I feel if I were a territory hungry zionist, I would be hating netanyahu right now because he is making a fool of himself to the point where even the general public in the states which is ever so ignorant is going wtf? Other PM's in the past used to convey the same message and push the same agenda while shielding their evil inclinations under more effective political rhetoric. This moron is just blatantly slapping the US in the face repeatedly lmao. I am damn sure most people supporting his agenda arent all that happy with him. I really hope he continues down this path.

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Over the previous two days, he had been feted by senior Republicans and greeted warmly by members of Congress. He had also received a standing ovation from the American Israel Public Affairs Affairs Committee, one of the most influential lobby groups in the United States.

But Mr Obama was less inclined to be so conciliatory. He immediately presented Mr Netanyahu with a list of 13 demands designed both to the end the feud with his administration and to build Palestinian confidence ahead of the resumption of peace talks. Key among those demands was a previously-made call to halt all new settlement construction in east Jerusalem.

When the Israeli prime minister stalled, Mr Obama rose from his seat declaring: "I'm going to the residential wing to have dinner with Michelle and the girls."

As he left, Mr Netanyahu was told to consider the error of his ways. "I'm still around," Mr Obama is quoted by Israel's Yediot Ahronot newspaper as having said. "Let me know if there is anything new."

For over an hour, Mr Netanyahu and his aides closeted themselves in the Roosevelt Room on the first floor of the White House to map out a response to the president's demands.

Although the two men then met again, at 8.20 pm, for a brief second meeting, it appeared that they failed to break the impasse. White House officials were quoted as saying that disagreements remained. Shimon Peres, the Israeli president, added: "Apparently they did not reach an understanding with the United States."

It was the second time this month that Mr Netanyahu has been at the receiving end of a US dinner-time snub.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7521391/Obama-snubbed-Netanyahu-for-dinner-with-Michelle-and-the-girls-Israelis-claim.html

Netanyahu owns Congress so their grovelling (despite the blatant acts of defiance) wasn't surprising but amusing given their recent bickering with one another over healthcare reform. Although I am a bit surprised by the frostiness of this trip, after his "stern" talks with the bankers I am going to take shows of displeasure with a grain of salt unless Obama can back them up with the kind of action that will make a criminal like Netanyahu think twice. Not inviting him to dinner with Michelle and the girls isn't going to do the trick.

Hoping he will surprise me.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7521391/Obama-snubbed-Netanyahu-for-dinner-with-Michelle-and-the-girls-Israelis-claim.html

Netanyahu owns Congress so their grovelling (despite the blatant acts of defiance) wasn't surprising but amusing given their recent bickering with one another over healthcare reform. Although I am a bit surprised by the frostiness of this trip, after his "stern" talks with the bankers I am going to take shows of displeasure with a grain of salt unless Obama can back them up with the kind of action that will make a criminal like Netanyahu think twice. Not inviting him to dinner with Michelle and the girls isn't going to do the trick.

Hoping he will surprise me.

I don't think Obama has a backbone to begin with, as I said, I simply hope Mr Netanyahu continues down this moronic path so hopefully down the road, the general public along with certain groups and individuals of influence around Obama can force him to do what is in the best interest of his country. Given the level of ignorance exhibited by the American public, its amazing how quickly public opinion can change since it wasnt based on much to begin with. AIPAC is incredibly strong and influential but that's not to say there arent other groups and lobbies of interest that wouldn't withdraw their all blinding support for all policies AIPAC if pushed to the brink of utter embarrassment. That is precisely the road Netanyahu has foolishly embarked on. As it stands right now, I am afraid that even a slight change in tone on part of Netanyahu will reverse the anti Zionist sentiment in the west let alone a shift in his stubborn and loud stance on the settlements.

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I don't think Obama has a backbone to begin with, as I said, I simply hope Mr Netanyahu continues down this moronic path so hopefully down the road, the general public along with certain groups and individuals of influence around Obama can force him to do what is in the best interest of his country. Given the level of ignorance exhibited by the American public, its amazing how quickly public opinion can change since it wasnt based on much to begin with. AIPAC is incredibly strong and influential but that's not to say there arent other groups and lobbies of interest that wouldn't withdraw their all blinding support for all policies AIPAC if pushed to the brink of utter embarrassment. That is precisely the road Netanyahu has foolishly embarked on. As it stands right now, I am afraid that even a slight change in tone on part of Netanyahu will reverse the anti Zionist sentiment in the west let alone a shift in his stubborn and loud stance on the settlements.

If the Zionist regime loses American support, I will sit back, grab some popcorn, and tune in to IRINN.

Seriously, if that happens, they would likely do something stupid -- remember that the Zionist regime is not capable of rational thought -- that would end up leading to their ultimate collapse.

I love you Netanyahu. :wub:

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If the Zionist regime loses American support, I will sit back, grab some popcorn, and tune in to IRINN.

Seriously, if that happens, they would likely do something stupid -- remember that the Zionist regime is not capable of rational thought -- that would end up leading to their ultimate collapse.

I love you Netanyahu. :wub:

There is no economic or geo political incentive for US to keep supporting the Zionist ambitions in that region as they did in the past. They only do so due to the influential Jewish lobby which as the smoke of ignorance clears will slowly find it harder to implement its agendas through congress. This was inevitable, Israel is in a fight for its life, to be quite honest with you, it can build all the settlements it wants, it simply speeds up the road to what is predictably bound to happen. It would matter little how many settlements are built or who holds the populace majority when US eventually withdraws its blinding support.

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I'm writing a research paper this weekend about Israels illegal settlements. My professor was Canadian ambassador for Palestine, Israel, Jordon, Syria, and was in Lebanon for a while as well. He lived in the ME for 30 years and is honestly the least biased Canadian i've ever met, although there are some minor issues that I disagree with him on.

Here's an interview where he talks a little about the settlement issue:

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/middle-east/#clip279131

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