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Once they were untouchable. Some were members of Turkey's elite military class known as "pashas," a title of respect harking back to Ottoman times. For decades, Turkey's senior officers, self-appointed guardians of the country's secular tradition, called the shots.

But Monday, the balance of power in this EU candidate appeared to have undergone a major shift. Turkish police detained 52 military commanders for allegedly planning to blow up mosques in order to trigger a military takeover and overthrow the Islamic-oriented government.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100222/ap_on_re_eu/eu_turkey_coup_plot

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Any foreign country involved? It happened in 2003, when Saddam fell and some countries like Israel were hoping for a "free Kurdistan".

Turkey seems to have better intelligence and politicians compare to some other countries in the region... It is very alert and having things in control before hand.

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Kemal and the rest of the crypto-Jews, Donmeh, denied the will of the people and imposed their alien will and schemes upon the Muslims.

That is why Turkish intelligence was so closely allied with Mossad.

Now that is changing, now the infiltrators are being exposed. Muslims are regaining control of their own country. This is good news.

If only Americans had a government that supported the people rather than the Zionists who run it now.

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He's not a Jew. He's a Macedonian Turk (mixed), who sympathizes and supports Jews. Somewhat different. You can bash him all you want, but if it weren't for him, Turkey wouldn't have survived, he defeated 6 or so countries. I have differences regarding his religious views, but he came out of a tough time.

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He's not a Jew. He's a Macedonian Turk (mixed), who sympathizes and supports Jews. Somewhat different. You can bash him all you want, but if it weren't for him, Turkey wouldn't have survived, he defeated 6 or so countries. I have differences regarding his religious views, but he came out of a tough time.

He was by a kafir by unanimous opinion. May he enjoy his eternal abode in the fire.

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He's not a Jew. He's a Macedonian Turk (mixed), who sympathizes and supports Jews. Somewhat different. You can bash him all you want, but if it weren't for him, Turkey wouldn't have survived, he defeated 6 or so countries. I have differences regarding his religious views, but he came out of a tough time.

interesting. I also have mixed views on him. he did the impossible of saving turkey from becoming greece but at a greater cost of territorial unity of Islamic countries. What makes it difficult is that he had no choice and what he did was the only rational option available.

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Turkish police detained 52 military commanders for allegedly planning to blow up mosques in order to trigger a military takeover and overthrow the Islamic-oriented government.

Perhaps if Turkish military had correctly learnt all the tricks from USAtan which are necessary to pull off a false flag op they wouldn't have been all caught like rats like that. What a disgrace. A sad news for the many millions of today's followers of Aleister Crowley.

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Anyone who calls Ataturk a kafir or a crypto-Jew is obviously listening to the rantings of a stupid mullah who has no knowledge of any kind of history.

There are many views of Ataturk's ethnic origins - some say he was Macedonian, other says he was a full blown Turkmen on his mother's side, but read any written biographical account, and the claims of Crypto-Jew would be debunked immediately. I've seen all the so called "evidence" from the Islamist circles and they have no historical basis.

As for his religious views, yes, even I have disagreements with what he did. But look at it this way:

- Ataturk grew up at a time when a lot of modern European ideas were entering the Ottoman Empire. The ulama and religious institutions, such as the madrasas and the Sufi lodges, for the most part, were not open to the influx of any new ideas and resisted government attempts at reform, which began with the Tanzimat. Basically, from the 1860s onward, you had two parallel systems existing within the Ottoman Empire, with secular schools, secular law codes and religious schools and religious law codes existing side by side, thereby creating a lot of internal inconsistency. If you follow the history of the Ottoman Empire from 1860 to its collapse, and then the formation of the republic, you'd see that Turkish secularism was very much a natural product of mounting developments over time.

- When Ataturk was stationed in Syria in his younger years as a soldier, he saw first hand what religious fanaticism could do to people and how it stunted any kind of rational thinking.

- The Caliphate was only used by the Ottomans when it suited their interests politically, as evidenced during the reign of Abdul Hamid II. This very same Caliphate, at the end of the road, supported the British occupation of Istanbul and the Sheikh ul Islam issued a fatwa saying that the occupation was legitimate. He is also responsible for the origin of the claim that Ataturk was a Jew, since he decried the National Resistance movement brewing in Anatolia and tried to derail its efforts by branding its leader a "Jew". May this traitor burn in hell for all eternity for what he did.

Ataturk led the people of Anatolia against European occupiers and essentially saved the country from colonization, during the War of Independence from 1919-1923. Take a look at the Treaty of Sevres to get a good idea of what the Europeans had in mind for Turkey. If it wasn't for Ataturk, there would be no Turkey today. And yes, his abolition of the Caliphate was completely legitimate, as it had become a dead, lifeless thing, and many of the Arabs had sided with the British AGAINST the Ottomans while the Caliphate was in existence. Any talk of "Muslim" unity was simply nonsense at the time.

Now, put yourself in his shoes. You basically have a country in your hands that not only just came out of the ashes of a dead empire but just came out of a war for survival. The Western powers are basically the head honchos calling the shots in the world, and they are powerful. What the hell was the man supposed to do? It was all about context. He built a country basically from scratch, and his hardline policies against religion, in essence, was a reaction against centuries of religious corruption that stunted Ottoman power. He saw where the future was heading, and he did what he had to do.

As for his religious beliefs, the conclusion that I've come to, and the conclusion that some Turkish historians have come to, was that he was a deist. This was confirmed to me in a book that I read written by an American ambassador who had interviewed him and asked him about his religious beliefs. So there you have it. As for his womanizing and drinking, he was absolutely no different than many of the Ottoman sultans who had preceded him (even Mehmet II, the Conqueror of Constantinople, was a heavy drinker).

Ottoman and Turkish history is very complex, and cannot be seen in simple black and white - Muslim understanding of this history, thus far, has been very very poor, unfortunately.

When it comes to Erdogan and his gang of pimps in the AKP, don't let his little stunt at Davos fool you (municipal elections were coming up, and he needed to do something to bolster his party's declining popularity). The man is a show man, a natural politician. This government has basically sold more than half of the Turkish economy to foreigners (this same government sold Turkish banks to Israelis by the way), and they are weakening the country by fueling ethnic and religious divisions. The claims that the soldiers were going to blow up mosques IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER LIE. Turkish soldiers, even with the military's secular tradition, to this very day, still chant "Allah!", "Allah!" when they go to war - Erdogan is just trying to wipe out any opposition to his traitorous policies and he is trying to purge the country of any nationalists who are against the tidal wave of globalization and consumerism that has gripped the country. Even the genuine Islamists in the Saadet Party have come out and called the AKP a bunch of traitors for what they have done for the past 8 years. Necmettin Erbakan himself has denounced the AKP on numerous occasions.

Erdogan is only being mean to Israel on the outside in order to impress the Arab world, but behind closed doors, they are all still the best of friends. The AKP pimps have fooled everyone with religion, and it only continues to show how dangerous religion is when it becomes a political tool.

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Kemal and the rest of the crypto-Jews, Donmeh, denied the will of the people and imposed their alien will and schemes upon the Muslims.

That is why Turkish intelligence was so closely allied with Mossad.

Now that is changing, now the infiltrators are being exposed. Muslims are regaining control of their own country. This is good news.

If only Americans had a government that supported the people rather than the Zionists who run it now.

I'm sorry but your knowledge of Turkey is incredibly poor. Please do more research before you post.

Get this through your heads:

1) All intelligence services work together, and all of them are involved in evil, dirty deeds.

2) Turkey was never under foreign control - the overwhelming majority of Turks, to this day, either love or respect Ataturk to some degree, and that my friend, will never change. Read the actual history rather than BS, and you'll know why.

3) What the AKP has done in Turkey the past few years has actually helped Zionist interests in the region.

Anti-Israel, and even anti-Semitic sentiment, is at an all time high in Turkey right now, and do you know who the biggest proponents of it are? THE KEMALISTS. Shocking, but true. Walk into any bookstore in Turkey right now, and you'll find books about Zionist/Freemason conspiracies in Turkey and the ME, all written by Kemalist nationalist intellectuals. Turkey is a lot more complex than you think.

The biggest misconception that Muslims have about Turkey is that they think that the secularists are all irreligious kafirs. There many secular nationalists who are very religious, but the difference is that they keep their religion private, which is something that the Islamists are incapable of understanding.

For example, when those hideous cartoons of the Prophet (pbuh) were published, the secularist and nationalist parties displayed just as much outrage as the religious parties.

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Once they were untouchable. Some were members of Turkey's elite military class known as "pashas," a title of respect harking back to Ottoman times. For decades, Turkey's senior officers, self-appointed guardians of the country's secular tradition, called the shots.

But Monday, the balance of power in this EU candidate appeared to have undergone a major shift. Turkish police detained 52 military commanders for allegedly planning to blow up mosques in order to trigger a military takeover and overthrow the Islamic-oriented government.

I don't understand what is so "Islamic-oriented" about the AKP government except the fact that their leader and members are apparently more practicing. Either they have a secret Islamist agenda or they are simply being truthful when they claim to uphold the secular tradition of the country. Perhaps they are working to ease down the hostility against religious practice that staunch Kemalists exhibit; such as ban on wearing headscarves in educational institutes etc.

Kemal and the rest of the crypto-Jews, Donmeh, denied the will of the people and imposed their alien will and schemes upon the Muslims.

That is why Turkish intelligence was so closely allied with Mossad.

Now that is changing, now the infiltrators are being exposed. Muslims are regaining control of their own country. This is good news.

If only Americans had a government that supported the people rather than the Zionists who run it now.

It is a good idea to know things one is so eager to comment upon - but, yes, you have aptly demonstrated the truthfulness of your screen name, except that the fourth 'o' is missing.

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To hell with the notorious Free-Masonic Illuminati Ataturk !, He prohibited Saying Khutba and Adhan in Arabic, He prohibited Headscarves and turbans , He Prohibited Arabic Scriptures and Any single religious view in state affairs !!! He went far away from his Grand master's desire because in France and USA , they Elected presidents took oath from a Holy Book ! and Neither Arabic Scriptures, nor turbans and Headscarves were prohibited until the Launch of Cusader's War on "is-lamist terrorism" .

Ma'a Salaam

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Salaam

To hell with the notorious Free-Masonic Illuminati Ataturk !, He prohibited Saying Khutba and Adhan in Arabic, He prohibited Headscarves and turbans , He Prohibited Arabic Scriptures and Any single religious view in state affairs !!! He went far away from his Grand master's desire because in France and USA , they Elected presidents took oath from a Holy Book ! and Neither Arabic Scriptures, nor turbans and Headscarves were prohibited until the Launch of Cusader's War on "is-lamist terrorism" .

Ma'a Salaam

Blah blah blah FREEMASON blah blah blah Jew blah blah blah KHALIFAAAA!!!!! blah blah blah

To hell with ignoramuses such as yourself. I highly suggest you stick to talking about Iran, Palestine, Israel, Hamas, and useless political slogans that will get Muslims nowhere. Do not speak about that which you have no knowledge.

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Turks have never been colonized by other nations, one of the most widespread misconceptions about Turkey is muslim think Turks are liberals European wannabes but the people are conservatives and religious.

The Turkey society is way more Conservative than "The Islamic Republic of Iran"

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I highly suggest you stick to talking about Iran, Palestine, Israel, Hamas, and useless political slogans that will get Muslims nowhere. Do not speak about that which you have no knowledge.

What useful political slogans will take Muslim somewhere better? Saudi, Egypt slogans? Secular Republic of Somalia or Mahmood Abbas in West Bank? Democratically elected president of Azerbaijan or the economic growth of Tajikistan? oh wait, maybe the slogans chanted by Socialist President of Yemen, in paradise on earth!

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What useful political slogans will take Muslim somewhere better? Saudi, Egypt slogans? Secular Republic of Somalia or Mahmood Abbas in West Bank? Democratically elected president of Azerbaijan or the economic growth of Tajikistan? oh wait, maybe the slogans chanted by Socialist President of Yemen, in paradise on earth!

If you think I support any of those quacks, then you're sadly mistaken. The people you listed are a part of the problem, and my reference was directed more towards mohalamine in general; his posts are generally composed of gibberish and jumbled political slogans that try very hard to be coherent sentences but end up failing each and every time.

The Muslim world is in a huge mess, no one denies that, but as far as I'm concerned, Muslims deserve just as much blame for that as the West, if not more.

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