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Salams,

To my understanding, messengership is a higher rank than prophethood; all messengers were prophets but not all prophets were messengers. Also, a rasool is one who is given a new law, a prophet who is not a messenger does not receive new law.

My question is, how are these definitions of the terms rasool and nabi supported by the Qur'an.

For example in this verse:

[shakir 20:47] So go you both to him and say: Surely we are two messengers of your Lord; therefore send the children of Israel with us and do not torment them! Indeed we have brought to you a communication from your Lord, and peace is on him who follows the guidance;

It mentions both Prophet Musa and Prophet Harun as being messengers. I'm confused because I thought Musa (as) was the law bringer, and Harun (as) supported him but did not bring new law so why is Harun being refered to as a messenger.

Thanks.

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Prophethood higher than Messengership

A3oothu biAllah min ash-shaytaan ar-rajeem

Bism Allah al-rahmaan ar-raheem

Allah swt says in Quran 3:81:

æóÅöÐú ÃóÎóÐó ٱááøóåõ ãöíËóٰÞó ٱáäøóÈöíøöۦäó áóãó ÁóÇÊóíúÊõßõã ãøöä ßöÊóٰÈò æóÍößúãóÉò Ëõãøó ÌóÂÁóßõãú ÑóÓõæáñ ãøõÕóÏøöÞñ áøöãóÇ ãóÚóßõãú áóÊõÄúãöäõäøó Èöåöۦ æóáóÊóäÕõÑõäøóåõۥ ۚ ÞóÇáó ÁóÃóÞúÑóÑúÊõãú æóÃóÎóÐúÊõãú Úóáóìٰ Ðóٰáößõãú ÅöÕúÑöì ۖ ÞóÇáõæٓÇ۟ ÃóÞúÑóÑúäóÇ ۚ ÞóÇáó ÝóٱÔúåóÏõæÇ۟ æóÃóäóÇ۠ ãóÚóßõã ãøöäó ٱáÔøóٰåöÏöíäó

And when Allah made a covenant through the prophets: Certainly what I have given you of Book and wisdom-- then an messenger comes to you verifying that which is with you, you must believe in him, and you must aid him. He said: Do you affirm and accept My compact in this (matter)? They said: We do affirm. He said: Then bear witness, and I (too) am of the bearers of witness with you.

And Allah swt also says in Quran 2:213:

ßóÇäó ٱáäøóÇÓõ ÃõãøóÉð æóٰÍöÏóÉð ÝóÈóÚóËó ٱááøóåõ ٱáäøóÈöíøöۦäó ãõÈóÔøöÑöíäó æóãõäÐöÑöíäó æóÃóäÒóáó ãóÚóåõãõ ٱáúßöÊóٰÈó ÈöٱáúÍóÞøö áöíóÍúßõãó Èóíúäó ٱáäøóÇÓö ÝöíãóÇ ٱÎúÊóáóÝõæÇ۟ Ýöíåö ۚ æóãóÇ ٱÎúÊóáóÝó Ýöíåö ÅöáøóÇ ٱáøóÐöíäó ÃõæÊõæåõ ãöäۢ ÈóÚúÏö ãóÇ ÌóÂÁóÊúåõãõ ٱáúÈóíøöäóٰÊõ ÈóÛúíðۢÇ Èóíúäóåõãú ۖ ÝóåóÏóì ٱááøóåõ ٱáøóÐöíäó ÁóÇãóäõæÇ۟ áöãóÇ ٱÎúÊóáóÝõæÇ۟ Ýöíåö ãöäó ٱáúÍóÞøö ÈöÅöÐúäöåöۦ ۗ æóٱááøóåõ íóåúÏöì ãóä íóÔóÂÁõ Åöáóìٰ ÕöÑóٰØò ãøõÓúÊóÞöíãò

(All) people were a single nation; so Allah raised prophets as bearers of good news and as warners, and He revealed with them the Book with truth, that it might judge between people in that in which they differed; and none but the very people who were given it differed about it after clear arguments had come to them, revolting among themselves; so Allah has guided by His will those who believe to the truth about which they differed and Allah guides whom He pleases to the right path.

So when Allah swt says in Quran 20:47:

ÝóÃúÊöíóÇåõ ÝóÞõæáóÂ ÅöäøóÇ ÑóÓõæáóÇ ÑóÈøößó ÝóÃóÑúÓöáú ãóÚóäóÇ Èóäöìٓ ÅöÓúÑóٰٓÁöíáó æóáóÇ ÊõÚóÐøöÈúåõãú ۖ ÞóÏú ÌöÆúäóٰßó ÈöÜٔóÇíóÉò ãøöä ÑøóÈøößó ۖ æóٱáÓøóáóٰãõ Úóáóìٰ ãóäö ٱÊøóÈóÚó ٱáúåõÏóìٰٓ

So go you both to him and say: Surely we are two messengers of your Lord; therefore send the children of Israel with us and do not torment them! Indeed we have brought to you a communication from your Lord, and peace is on him who follows the guidance;

The word ÑóÓõæáóÇ means two messengers NOT two prophets

So here Allah swt refers to both (Musa who is a prophet and therefore automatically also a messenger of Allah, and Haroon who is a only a messenger of Allah) as two messengers of The Creator and Sustainer of the worlds.

And just to make sure that everything is clear, Allah swt confirm the seal of prophethood and not the messengership in Quran 33:40:

ãøóÇ ßóÇäó ãõÍóãøóÏñ ÃóÈó ÃóÍóÏò ãøöä ÑøöÌóÇáößõãú æóáóٰßöä ÑøóÓõæáó ٱááøóåö æóÎóÇÊóãó ٱáäøóÈöíøöۦäó ۗ æóßóÇäó ٱááøóåõ Èößõáøö ÔóìúÁò ÚóáöíãðÇ

[shakir 33:40] Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Last of the prophets; and Allah is cognizant of all things.

[Yusufali 33:40] Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

[Pickthal 33:40] Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things.

This verse confirms that Muhammed (pbuh+f) is a messenger of Allah and is the last Prophet but not necessarily the last messenger of Allah and Allah knows best.

Salam

Ali

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(bismillah) (salam)

i think the prophets are referred to as messengers in quran too, what you might be trying to say, is the rasool meaning, the ones who brought a book/sharia. 5 of them are referred to them as major prophets or rasool, though there are other ones who have brought a book but not a major prophet like dawood (as), so these are the 5, im 99% sure that nuh (as) and ibrahim (as) brought a book,just cant remember them. These five are considered as the leaders of the rest of the prophets.

Nuh (as)-

Ibrahim (as) -

musa (as) - Tawrat, (torah)

isa/jesus (as) - Injeel (gospel)

muhammad (pbuh) - quran

(wasalam)

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(bismillah) (salam)

i think the prophets are referred to as messengers in quran too, what you might be trying to say, is the rasool meaning, the ones who brought a book/sharia. 5 of them are referred to them as major prophets or rasool, though there are other ones who have brought a book but not a major prophet like dawood (as), so these are the 5, im 99% sure that nuh (as) and ibrahim (as) brought a book,just cant remember them. These five are considered as the leaders of the rest of the prophets.

Nuh (as)-

Ibrahim (as) -

musa (as) - Tawrat, (torah)

isa/jesus (as) - Injeel (gospel)

muhammad (pbuh) - quran

(wasalam)

Moreover! Two was selected as IMAM in 5 Sahabay Shariet RASOOLS, Hazrat Ibraheim(A.S) and RASOOL (SAWW).

and

Only ONE is selected WALI in One hundred and twenty four thousand Messengers,RASOOL Allah(SAWW).

So all Dear Shiachat's members WALI is the TOP Most Designation at which ONLY 14 MASOOMEIN(A.S) STAND with Allah (Surrah Ma aydah 55).

So Don't blame everyone Ghali and Nusari without understanding (Maarfat) of WILAYAT.

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Examining the Word Nabi in the Quran

While the root word from which “Nabi” originates is used in different ways, such as “Naba’” (news), “Naba’tukuma” (inform you), “Anbaaka” (informed you), the terms Nabi and Nabieen/Anbiyaa (plural forms of Nabi) themselves are used in a very specific manner in the Holy Quran. From the approximately 80 instances wherein the words Nabi or Nabieen occur, not one of them refers to anything other than a Prophet of Allah.

al-Nabî

Classical Arabic definitions:

One to whom Allah gives information. One to whom Allah reveals secrets of the future. One to who Allah reveals that he is His prophet. One who discloses hidden matters. One who reveals information from on high.

One who has the gift of prophecy. One who acquaints or informs mankind. One who is acquainted or informed of matters of Allah and of things unseen. One who presents a clear or evident way that conducts to Allah.

From the Arabic root n-b-a' which developed the following meanings:

to give important news, information, announcement

to inform, tell or acquaint someone

In the following verse Joseph told to one of prisoner that I will tell you the truth of its interpretation

onabbiokum bitaweelihi

12:45 But the man who had been released, one of the two (who had been in prison) and who now bethought him after (so long) a space of time, said: "I will tell you the truth of its interpretation: send ye me (therefore)."

al-Rasûl

Classical Arabic definitions:

Rasul is also an Arabic word which is derived from the word, Risalat, meaning, to send. Thus, the meaning of Rasul is, one who is sent from Allah

Like in the previous case with the word “Nabi”, the root word has been used in different ways, with the terms “Arsalna”, “Arsala”, “’Yursil” sometimes referring to Allah sending Messengers, or to Allah sending a punishment, or at other times to a Ruler sending a delegation.

One who is an ambassador or envoy

Look in to the following verses

Wahuwa allathee yursilu alrriyaha bushran bayna yaday rahmatihi

Who sends forth the winds bearing good news before His mercy,

Wajaat sayyaratun faarsaloo waridahum faadla dalwahu

Then there came a caravan of travellers: they sent their water-carrier (for water),

Falamma jaa ala lootin almursaloona 15:61

And when the messengers came unto the family of Lot,

Faarsala firAAawnu fee almadaini hashireena 26:53

Then Pharaoh sent into the cities summoners,

Wainnee mursilatun ilayhim bihadiyyatin fanathiratun bima yarjiAAu almursaloona 27:35

"But I am going to send him a present, and (wait) to see with what (answer) return (my) ambassadors."

Linursila AAalayhim hijaratan min teenin, 51:33

That we may send upon them stones of clay

Waarsala AAalayhim tayran ababeela 105:3

And send against them swarms of flying creatures,

Actual meaning of Rasool is “who is being sent”

Pickthal 22:75] Allah chooseth from the angels rosolan, and (also) from mankind. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Seer.

It is clear from the above verse that Allah chooses either from angel or from mankind as a Rasool

"There came Our Messengers[rosolona] to Abraham with glad tidings. They said,"Peace!" he answered, "Peace!" and hastened to entertain them with a roasted calf. [11:69]"

"When Our Messengers[rosolona] came to Lut, he was grieved on their account and felt himself powerless (to protect) them. He said: This is a distressful day. [11:77]"

"(The Messengers) said:O Lut! we are Messengers[rosolo] from thyLord!...[11:81]"

[Yusufali 35:1] Praise be to Allah, Who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth, Who made the angels, messengers[rosolan] with wings,- two, or three, or four (pairs): He adds to Creation as He pleases: for Allah has power over all things.

----Also see: 7:37, 15:57, 15:61, 19:19, 29:31, 29:33.

Nabi and Rasul the two words are used interchangeably in the Qur'an, the same person sometimes being called nabî and sometimes rasûl; while occasionally both names are combined. Nabi becomes Rasool when he is being sent to Mankind:, but there is one difference. The word rasûl has a wider significance, being applicable to every messenger in a literal sense; and the angels are called Divine Messengers [rasûl], because they are also sent by Allah towards prophets as bearers of the Divine messages when complying with His Will.

In short the all prophets[Nabi] sent by Allah became Rasool . So for prophets word Rasool not show any difference between the two (nabi and rasul) except what appears from their literal meaning."

[Pickthal 2:213] Mankind were one community, and Allah sent (unto them) prophets[nabiyyeena] as bearers of good tidings and as warners, and revealed therewith the Scripture with the truth that it might judge between mankind concerning that wherein they differed.

[57:25] We verily sent Our messengers[rosolona] with clear proofs, and revealed with them the Scripture and the Balance, that mankind may observe right measure; and He revealed iron, wherein is mighty power and (many) uses for mankind, and that Allah may know him who helpeth Him and His messengers, though unseen. Lo! Allah is Strong, Almighty.

So it is clear from verse 2:213 and 57:25 as Scripture is revealed with Nabi so as with Rasool

As all Nabi are Rasool Verse 2:213 and 57:25 convey same messege

Not all Nabi are eqal in rank as Rasool which is clear from

Following verses

[Pickthal 2:253] Of those messengers[rosolo], some of whom We have caused to excel others

Pickthal 17:55] And thy Lord is Best Aware of all who are in the heavens and the earth. And we preferred some of the prophets[nabiyyeena] above others, and unto David We gave the Psalms.

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Salams,

To my understanding, messengership is a higher rank than prophethood; all messengers were prophets but not all prophets were messengers. Also, a rasool is one who is given a new law, a prophet who is not a messenger does not receive new law.

My question is, how are these definitions of the terms rasool and nabi supported by the Qur'an.

For example in this verse:

[shakir 20:47] So go you both to him and say: Surely we are two messengers of your Lord; therefore send the children of Israel with us and do not torment them! Indeed we have brought to you a communication from your Lord, and peace is on him who follows the guidance;

It mentions both Prophet Musa and Prophet Harun as being messengers. I'm confused because I thought Musa (as) was the law bringer, and Harun (as) supported him but did not bring new law so why is Harun being refered to as a messenger.

Thanks.

Harun (as) aided Musa (as) in delivering his message and

fulfilling his mission to the people.

This is not strictly restricted to the Taurat (formal book).

For instance when Musa (as) told his brother to lead the people

in his absence, Harun (as) was chosen by Allah (SWT) because

it was known that he would rule over them by Allah's Law, even

though the "law" (Taurat) hadn't yet been received formally yet.

Musa (as) told Harun (as) "Ukhlufni" meaing "take my place"

during Musa's own lifetime and is probably why he is described

as being a Rasul. One sees that receiving law is only one side of

the coin, the other is leading the people by Allah's commandments.

So being a Rasul is a lot more than just receiving a formal book.

Was-Salaam

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all the Nabi are Rasool

For nabi there is no difference between words Nabi and rasool except what appears from their literal meaning."

Aaron was Nabi as well as Raool as is clear by following verses

Pickthal 19:53] And We bestowed upon him of Our mercy his brother Aaron, a prophet [Nabiyya]).

[Pickthal 20:47] So go ye unto him and say: Lo! we are two messengers[[rosolo] of thy Lord. So let the children of Israel go with us, and torment them not. We bring thee a token from thy Lord. And peace will be for him who followeth right guidance.

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(salam)

As far as I know and I may be wrong, Risalat is higher than Nabuwwat, So if you are a Rasool, you have to be a nabi.

Think of that verse (20:47) as Muhammad (pbuh) and Ali (as), both are divinely appointed, but one has a higher status than the other.

Hope that helps.

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If one Rasool has higher status than another that is In the quran Itself

See the following verse

[Pickthal 2:253] Of those messengers[rosolo], some of whom We have caused to excel others.

So if you are Rasool so you have to be nabi is not correct

As prophet Mohammad(SA) and Ali(As) both are sent by Allah in that sence both are rasool but Ali(As) is not the Nabi

Because word Rasool is used for Humanas well as Angel as is clear from following verse

Pickthal 22:75] Allah chooseth from the angels rosolan, and (also) from mankind. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Seer.

Word rasool is used for Nabi

word rasool is used for angels

word rasool is also used for some non prophets also

so correct is if you are Nabi you have to be Rasool

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(bismillah)

(salam)

Messenger is higher than prophets because they can see and hear angles. Prophets can either hear them while awake or see them in dreams. Ibrahims (as) book is called suhuf Ibrahim. I don't think that Nuh (as) was a messenger.

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