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if any music is having words about haram things or promoting bad ideas, it is haram. if it is not then it is halal. don't matter if it is hip hope, rap, rock, blues, folk etc. one must be careful what they allow to go in their ears.

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Actually you're mistaken. Any music that contains ghina is haram, whether it promotes bad ideas or not.

According to Sayid Sistani:

"Music that is permissible is the music that does not entail entertainment in gatherings held for that purpose. Forbidden music is the music that is suitable for entertainment and amusement gatherings."

"Singing (al-ghinã’) is harãm: doing it, listening to it, or living of it. By “singing — al-ghinã’,” I mean an amusing statement expressed in the tunes that are suitable for those who provide entertainment and amusement"

"Question: Many questions are asked concerning permissible and forbidden music.

Is it correct to say that the music that arouses sexual, lustful urges and promotes unstable and degrading behaviour is the forbidden one?

And is it correct to say that the music that soothes the nerves or causes relaxation, the music that forms the background of a scene in a movie to increase the effect of the scene on the viewers, the music that is used for physical exercise during workouts, the music that dramatizes a particular scene by its tune, or the one that arouses the zeal [in soldiers] is the permissible one?

Answer: Forbidden music is the music that is suitable for entertainment and amusement gatherings, even if it does not arouse sexual temptations.

Permissible music is the music that is not suitable for such gatherings, even if it does not soothe the nerves like the martial music and that played at funerals.

Question: Just as many questions are asked about halãl and harãm music, many questions are asked about halãl and harãm songs.

Is it correct to say that harãm songs are those that arouse sexual, lustful urges and promote unstable and degrading behaviour?

Is it correct to say that songs that do not arouse lustful desires, but elevate the souls and thoughts to lofty levels like religious songs of praise dedicated to the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) and the Imams (a.s.), or the songs that lift the spirits and morale [of the fighters] and the like are halãl songs?

Answer: All songs (al-ghinã’) are harãm. Based on the definition that we accept, al-ghinã’ is the entertaining expression by way of tunes that are common to those who provide entertainment and amusement.

In this prohibition, we should include the recitation of the Holy Qur’ãn, supplications (du‘ãs), and songs of praise of Ahlul Bayt (a.s.) uttered to the accompaniment of those tunes [that are used by the entertainers]. The prohibition of reciting other non-entertaining expressions —like songs intended to lift the morale [of fighters]— is based on compulsory precaution.

However, the tune that cannot be described as such is not harãm by itself.

Question: Some of the reciters, singers or chanters adopt the tunes of sinful people [i.e., harãm entertainers] and then sing or chant with their tunes poems in praise of the Prophet (s.a.w.) and his family—the result is that the context is different from that of the sinful people, yet the tune is suitable to theirs. Is it forbidden to sing in this way? Is it forbidden to listen [in this case]?

Answer: Yes, based on obligatory precaution it is forbidden."

"file:///C:/DOCUME~1/ADMINI~1/LOCALS~1/Temp/Rar$EX00.312/books_53_sistani.org.html"

Bro/sis please at least view the link before you respond. Yes, I know music is haram but that wasn't what I was referring to. I think what that link contains is quite interesting and I would like to know what the other SCers think about it.

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To go beyond what the marja'iyya have established with regards to music, there are many authentic ahadith from the Imams (as) about the issue as well.

From al-Kafi:

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`Ali b. Ibrahim from Harun b. Muslim from Mas`ada b. Ziyad. He said: I was with Abu `Abdillah (as), and a man said to him: By my father and my mother for you, verily I enter a washroom of mine, and I have neighbors who have slave-girls that sing and play the `awd (mandolin), so sometimes I extend my sitting in order to listen to them. So he said: Do not do (it). So the man said: By Allah, I do not come upon them, it is only a listening that I listen to with my ear. So he said: For Allah you! Have you not heard Allah, `azza wa jalla, saying “Verily the hearing, the sight, the heart -- all of those shall be questioned of.” So he said: Of course by Allah, it is as though I have not heard this ayat from the book of Allah from an `Ajami nor an `Arab. Surely, I shall not return (to it), in sha Allah, and I seek forgiveness from Allah. So he said to him: Rise, do ghusl, and ask what appears to you, for verily you were on staying on a great matter. How evil your state would have been had you died upon that. Praise Allah, and ask tawba of Him from everything that He detests, for He does not detest except all that is foul, and the foul, leave it to its people, for there is a people for every(thing). (hasan or sahih `ala ‘l-azhhar)

(12423 12) ãÍãÏ Èä íÍíì¡ Úä ÃÍãÏ Èä ãÍãÏ¡ Úä ÇÈä ÝÖÇá¡ Úä íæäÓ Èä íÚÞæÈ¡ Úä ÚÈÏÇáÇÚáì ÞÇá: ÓÃáÊ ÃÈÇ ÚÈÏÇááå (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã) Úä ÇáÛäÇÁ æÞáÊ: Åäåã íÒÚãæä Ãä ÑÓæá Çááå (Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå) ÑÎÕ Ýí Ãä íÞÇá: ÌÆäÇßã ÌÆäÇßã ÍíæäÇ ÍíæäÇ äÍíßã ÝÞÇá: ßÐÈæÇ Åä Çááå ÚÒæÌá íÞæá: " æãÇ ÎáÞäÇ ÇáÓãæÇÊ (1) æÇáÇÑÖ æãÇ ÈíäåãÇ áÇÚÈíä áæ ÃÑÏäÇ Ãä äÊÎÐ áåæÇ áÇÊÎÐäÇå ãä áÏäÇ Åä ßäÇ ÝÇÚáíä * Èá äÞÐÝ ÈÇáÍÞ Úáì ÇáÈÇØá ÝíÏãÛå ÝÅÐÇ åæ ÒÇåÞ æáßã Çáæíá ããÇ ÊÕÝæä (2) " Ëã ÞÇá: æíá áÝáÇä ããÇ íÕÝ ÑÌá áã íÍÖÑ ÇáãÌáÓ.

Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad from Ibn Faddal from Yunus b. Ya`qub from `Abd al-A`la. He said: I asked Abu `Abdillah (as) about singing, and I said: They assert that the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) permitted (it) when it was said “We have come to you, we have come to you, greet us, greet us, we greet you.” So he said: They have lied. Verily Allah, `azza wa jalla, says “We created not the heavens and the earth, and whatsoever between them is, as playing; had We desired to take to Us a diversion We would have taken it to Us from Ourselves, had We done aught. Nay, but We hurl the truth against falsehood and it prevails over it, and behold, falsehood vanishes away. Then woe to you for that you describe!” Then he said: Woe to someone of what he describes of a man who has not attended the gathering. (ka ‘l-hasan)

(12426 15) ãÍãÏ Èä íÍíì¡ Úä ÃÍãÏ Èä ãÍãÏ¡ Úä ÇáÍÓíä Èä ÓÚíÏ¡ Úä ÅÈÑÇåíã Èä ÃÈí ÇáÈáÇÏ Úä ÒíÏ ÇáÔÍÇã ÞÇá: ÞÇá ÃÈæÚÈÏÇááå (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã): ÈíÊ ÇáÛäÇÁ áÇ ÊÄãä Ýíå ÇáÝÌíÚÉ æáÇ ÊÌÇÈ Ýíå ÇáÏÚæÉ æáÇ íÏÎáå Çáãáß

Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad from al-Husayn b. Sa`id from Ibrahim b. Abi ‘l-Bilad from Zayd ash-Shahham. He said: Abu `Abdillah (as) said: The house of singing is not secure from calamity, and the appeal is not answered in it, and the angel does not enter it. (sahih)

http://www.*******.org/hadiths/forbidden-transactions/ghina-singing

There appears to be ikhtilaf on a few issues with regards to music, including whether or not music at a wedding is permissible or not.

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Actually i am not mistaken. My Marja Grand Ayatollah Fadlallah allows singing and all instruments as long as the singing is not haram! I do not follow your marja

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To go beyond what the marja'iyya have established with regards to music, there are many authentic ahadith from the Imams (as) about the issue as well.

From al-Kafi:

(12421 10) علي بن إبراهيم، عن هارون بن مسلم، عن مسعدة بن زياد قال: كنت عند أبي عبدالله (عليه السلام) فقال له رجل: بأبي أنت وامي إنني أدخل كنيفا لي ولي جيران عندهم جوار يتغنين ويضربن بالعود فربما أطلت الجلوس استماعا مني لهن فقال: لا تفعل فقال الرجل: والله ما آتيهن إنما هو سماع أسمعه باذني فقال: لله أنت أما سمعت الله عزوجل يقول: " إن السمع والبصر والفؤاد كل او لئك كان عنه مسئولا (4) " فقال: بلى والله لكاني لم أسمع بهذه الآية من كتاب الله من أعجمي ولا عربي لا جرم إنني لا أعود إن شاء الله وإني أستغفر الله فقال له: قم فاغتسل وسل ما بدالك فإنك كنت مقيما على أمر عظيم ما كان أسوء حالك لو مت على ذلك احمد الله وسله التوبة من كل ما يكره فإنه لا يكره إلا كل قبيح والقبيح دعه لاهله فإن لكل أهلا.

`Ali b. Ibrahim from Harun b. Muslim from Mas`ada b. Ziyad. He said: I was with Abu `Abdillah (as), and a man said to him: By my father and my mother for you, verily I enter a washroom of mine, and I have neighbors who have slave-girls that sing and play the `awd (mandolin), so sometimes I extend my sitting in order to listen to them. So he said: Do not do (it). So the man said: By Allah, I do not come upon them, it is only a listening that I listen to with my ear. So he said: For Allah you! Have you not heard Allah, `azza wa jalla, saying "Verily the hearing, the sight, the heart -- all of those shall be questioned of." So he said: Of course by Allah, it is as though I have not heard this ayat from the book of Allah from an `Ajami nor an `Arab. Surely, I shall not return (to it), in sha Allah, and I seek forgiveness from Allah. So he said to him: Rise, do ghusl, and ask what appears to you, for verily you were on staying on a great matter. How evil your state would have been had you died upon that. Praise Allah, and ask tawba of Him from everything that He detests, for He does not detest except all that is foul, and the foul, leave it to its people, for there is a people for every(thing). (hasan or sahih `ala 'l-azhhar)

(12423 12) محمد بن يحيى، عن أحمد بن محمد، عن ابن فضال، عن يونس بن يعقوب، عن عبدالاعلى قال: سألت أبا عبدالله (عليه السلام) عن الغناء وقلت: إنهم يزعمون أن رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله) رخص في أن يقال: جئناكم جئناكم حيونا حيونا نحيكم فقال: كذبوا إن الله عزوجل يقول: " وما خلقنا السموات (1) والارض وما بينهما لاعبين لو أردنا أن نتخذ لهوا لاتخذناه من لدنا إن كنا فاعلين * بل نقذف بالحق على الباطل فيدمغه فإذا هو زاهق ولكم الويل مما تصفون (2) " ثم قال: ويل لفلان مما يصف رجل لم يحضر المجلس.

Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad from Ibn Faddal from Yunus b. Ya`qub from `Abd al-A`la. He said: I asked Abu `Abdillah (as) about singing, and I said: They assert that the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) permitted (it) when it was said "We have come to you, we have come to you, greet us, greet us, we greet you." So he said: They have lied. Verily Allah, `azza wa jalla, says "We created not the heavens and the earth, and whatsoever between them is, as playing; had We desired to take to Us a diversion We would have taken it to Us from Ourselves, had We done aught. Nay, but We hurl the truth against falsehood and it prevails over it, and behold, falsehood vanishes away. Then woe to you for that you describe!" Then he said: Woe to someone of what he describes of a man who has not attended the gathering. (ka 'l-hasan)

(12426 15) محمد بن يحيى، عن أحمد بن محمد، عن الحسين بن سعيد، عن إبراهيم بن أبي البلاد عن زيد الشحام قال: قال أبوعبدالله (عليه السلام): بيت الغناء لا تؤمن فيه الفجيعة ولا تجاب فيه الدعوة ولا يدخله الملك

Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad from al-Husayn b. Sa`id from Ibrahim b. Abi 'l-Bilad from Zayd ash-Shahham. He said: Abu `Abdillah (as) said: The house of singing is not secure from calamity, and the appeal is not answered in it, and the angel does not enter it. (sahih)

http://www.tashayyu....s/ghina-singing

There appears to be ikhtilaf on a few issues with regards to music, including whether or not music at a wedding is permissible or not.

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Can we have brother jondab check these to verifie they are sahih? my marja has studied rijal in depth. and has come to a ruling on music. this is impossible for any of you to say he is wrong because he has good reason to allow it. some forbide something because this was common to be forbidden among marja but one who looks in depth would find it not forbidden and we can not say something is haram when Allah has not said it is haram. and even if they are sahih one must ask what was that person hearing adn what kind of singing is he talking about (haram style of singing - about unlawful things) Haram listening (that of listening to unlawful things) if we are missing the whole story of a hadith and event we are missing part of it's meaning.

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^ Well, I agree that I am mistaken as Sayid Fadlallah does have a different opinion on this issue, but may I ask what kind of singing IS haram? If Ahlulbayt (as) say that al-ghina is haram then how can it be otherwise?

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Actually i am not mistaken. My Marja Grand Ayatollah Fadlallah allows singing and all instruments as long as the singing is not haram! I do not follow your marja

(wasalam)

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Can we have brother jondab check these to verifie they are sahih? my marja has studied rijal in depth. and has come to a ruling on music. this is impossible for any of you to say he is wrong because he has good reason to allow it. some forbide something because this was common to be forbidden among marja but one who looks in depth would find it not forbidden and we can not say something is haram when Allah has not said it is haram.

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Are you implying that other maraji' have NOT studied this issue in depth?

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^ Well, I agree that I am mistaken as Sayid Fadlallah does have a different opinion on this issue, but may I ask what kind of singing IS haram? If Ahlulbayt (as) say that al-ghina is haram then how can it be otherwise?

Are you implying that other maraji' have NOT studied this issue in depth?

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Marja are in different levels, some have not gone far enough on some matters but taken what they have learned from others and accepted that. others have looked far into this matter. Marja's are of all different levels some higher then others in education and research. this is a common ruling to say it is haram. and as for what you asked me i cannot say if he did or not, because i am not knowing of how long he spent on this matter, or what he learned about it, whose rijal he uses, what other marja he considers. all these things pay roll in the issuing of a ruling. i cannot possibly know that much about him, and i refrain from saying anything other then i feel my marja has looked in depth and come to his ruling and i trust his ruling to be right. if you want to accept the others as so then you may. there are also many books on rijal those writters as well sometimes may not have had all the information they needed before saying someone was sahih or their opinion was differing to what they thought. all these things have to be considered.

the singing that is haram is anything that is unlawful, propagating bad ideas, singing about ignorant things.

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Marja are in different levels, some have not gone far enough on some matters but taken what they have learned from others and accepted that. others have looked far into this matter. Marja's are of all different levels some higher then others in education and research. this is a common ruling to say it is haram. and as for what you asked me i cannot say if he did or not, because i am not knowing of how long he spent on this matter, or what he learned about it, whose rijal he uses, what other marja he considers. all these things pay roll in the issuing of a ruling. i cannot possibly know that much about him, and i refrain from saying anything other then i feel my marja has looked in depth and come to his ruling and i trust his ruling to be right. if you want to accept the others as so then you may. there are also many books on rijal those writters as well sometimes may not have had all the information they needed before saying someone was sahih or their opinion was differing to what they thought. all these things have to be considered.

the singing that is haram is anything that is unlawful, propagating bad ideas, singing about ignorant things.

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In other words, you have no idea on what basis your marja makes his rulings, but you like the guy's fatawa and you think he is learned, so you follow him. Plz correct me if I'm wrong as I don't want to misconstrue what you said ...

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The gradings of those ahadith are at the end of each one:

1. hasan or sahih `ala 'l-azhhar

2. ka 'l-hasan

3. sahih

So not all of them on that page are sahih, but reliable nonetheless.

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yes well that clears up some of them as not being fully sahih. but as for the grading by what rijal is used do you by chance know? it would be interesting to know this about that.

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In other words, you have no idea on what basis your marja makes his rulings, but you like the guy's fatawa and you think he is learned, so you follow him. Plz correct me if I'm wrong as I don't want to misconstrue what you said ...

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My marja don't say anything unless he has proof, if he has no solid proof it is forbidden he says it is allowed i know this for fact. you did misunderstand by thinking it is just because i like what he said. Allah knows i know he is very truthful in over 98% of what he says.

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^ What and other maraji' say things without proof? I'm sorry to be disrespectful but who do you think you're speaking about? These maraji' take every single precaution to ensure that they are not mistaken with their fatwas. Whether or not you find sayid Fadlallah as trustworthy is none of my business but please do not degrade other maraji' and promote him. It's both rude and inconsiderate of others opinions.

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^ Bro, I'm not confused as to whether music is or is not haram. I am convince 100% that music is haram. My point by starting this topic was to sort of show some proof as to why music is bad. I am very intrigued by the fact that, "rappers sold their souls to the devil". Yes, I know the shaytaan tries to get us to commit haram in any way possible and what better way then through music, right? So he drives "artists" to sing and create sin filled CD's that many adore. BUT, don't you think that it's interesting that the devil compromises with them? "Your soul for fame". Pretty creepy.

I really wish you guys would take some time to at least read the first article. I'll post it on here, if you're too lazy to click on the link.

"Did Rappers Sell Their Soul To The Devil?Hello Everyone;

I was researching "The Truth Behind Hip Hop" - DVD, from

http://www.exministries.com

I watched the DVD. In the DVD, the speaker says that Satan made

Heavy Metal Music so that people would fully embrace him by this

music. But Satan wasn't happy because black people were not into heavy

metal and all the satanic rutuals that's envoled in it. So he had to come up with a music that would reach black folks and spread out to all cultures - black , white, hispanic, asian etc.

The speaker revealed some things that I will list below about hip hop

artists.

I double-checked everything he said to make sure it's all true.

I went to a website called http://www.azlyrics.com and did a search

to see what the rappers were really saying about the devil.

Here is the information I learned.

Detail #1: Tupac in his song "Good Life"

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Tupac says he sold his soul to the devil.

"I sold my soul for a chance to kick it and bang

Now tell if I'm wrong

but sayin " the world" got you deeper in my songs

Drinkin 'til I earl, spendin money 'til it's gone

It's the good life - maybe niggaz got it goin on"

"why I should change, into a softie

.. after living so loftily

It cost me my soul out of control in a devil's world"

Source: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/2pac/goodlife.html

Source: "The Truth Behind Hip Hop" DVD - http://www.exministries.com

Detail #2: I researched DMX rap song lyrics.

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DMX did a Song with MARILYN . On the cover of his CD, DMX is dripped in with the M of his name conspicuously over his head to make it appear like he has horns out of his head. Your average hip hop listener may have missed this thing with marilyn

manson. So I went to azlyric.com to check out the lyrics on DMX's albums. Here's what I found in 2 songs that DMX did.

A. FROM THE SONG "LET ME FLY".

In this song, DMX explains that he sold his soul to the devil

and exactly why he did it etc.

"I sold my soul to the devil, and the price was cheap. A yo it's cold on this level cause it's twice as deep. But you don't hear me, ignorance is blisning and so on Sometimes it's better to be taught dumb. Shall I go on. You don't want no real, what the deal is a mystery. How is it I can live and make history If you don't see it then it, wasn't ment for you to see

If you wasn't born wit' it then, it wasn't ment for you to be But you can't blame me for not wantin' to be hound lock down in a cell wit' a soul gettin' dwelled This is hell, go get the devil and get me the key but can't be worst than the curse that was given ta me It's what I live for, you take away that and I'm gone "

Source: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/dmx/letmefly.html

B. FROM THE SONG "THE OMEN" That he did with Marilyn .

If you read the lyrics on www.azlyrics.com, you will

notice that There is a Duet Going on Between DMX and

another person. The person doing the duet with DMX is in the paragraphs below.

Let's see if you can figure out who that being is.

"(You, right here shorty, told you, I got you Like the way I scooped

you, when those fagget niggaz shot you? I'ma hold you down, and I

mean that, for real"

"But everytime you beef with a [Edited Out], I end up havin' to kill"

"(Ain't like that, and hey, forget about them 2 kids

'Bout to do a deal, somethin' nice as you is)"

"Oh you think"

"(Nah, I'm just playin', what's up?

I got some new [Edited Out]es, I know you tryin' to )"

"Not really "

"Here we go again"

"(After what I just gave you, with you actin' like that when you asked

for that favor)"

"Yo, I ain't ask you for "

"(Oh yes you did, when you really needed something, and you was out,

you did You sold me your soul, )"

That was a duet between DMX and Satan.

And marilyn was singing the words below in the chorus.

"Here we are on our way to hell

We're gonna do it, and we do it well

This is Marilyn , Dmx, Ruff Ryders

[repeats and distorts til end]"

Source: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/dmx/theomen.html

That was supposed to be a duet with the devil. If it

was another rapper doing the part in parentheses , then it would have

said the rapper's name.

Detail #3: Color Me Bad

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The Group "Color Me Bad" had a hit single, "I wanna you up". The

Ex-member Kevin, gave his life to christ and admitted that in the

studio the members of Color Me Bad, did a witches spell over the CD so

that they would have a hit record and that hundreds of thousands of

girls would lose their virginity to this song.

Source: "The Truth Behind Hip Hop" DVD http://www.exministries.com

Detail #4: Snoop Dog

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In his autobiography "The Doggfather", Snoop Dogg says the devil came

to him to make a deal that he would be rich and famous in exchange for

his soul. Snoop accepted the devil's offer (by his own words) and identifies that the point at which Calvin Broadus dies Snoop Dog was born.

Detail #5: Bone Thugs and Harmony

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From the DVD, I learned, Bone Thugs and Harmony had a witchcraft curse at the back of their CD. It's written backwards so once a person recognizes that, they will naturally hold it up to a mirror and try to read it. The speaker on the DVD, researched it and discovered that the witches of salem, would send people a letter written backwards when they wanted to put a curse on someone. The person would hold it up to the mirror and read it backwards.

Detail #6: Ride or Die Music

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There's a lot of rap songs out there about 'Ride or Die'

At one of the Presentations made by G. Craig Lewis of www.exministries.com, a 15 year old boy came up to the altar and said he doesn't want to have anything to do with hip hop any more and he wants to give his life to Jesus Christ. He went and got his Sawed off Shot gun and gave it to G. Craig Lewis and said he doesn't know how many people he shot with it. The 15 year old said that normal teenagers cannot kill in cold like that. The way they would do it is to listen to Gangsta Rap music for about 20 minutes then they would get really angry to the point of insanity and then kill people.

Source: "the Truth behind hip hop" DVD

Closing Thoughts:

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It turns out Satan was not happy that Heavy Metal was not reaching Black people. So he created that Hip Hop to reach 'brothers' and cross all kinds of ethnic & cultural barriers.

Hip Hop is not 'our' music. It is the devil's music. He wants the people in the club to recognize him and adore him. When people dance to his music and his artist, they are dancing to the

devil's beats, songs and ideals. Gangsta Rap pretty much started with Snoop Dogg who sold his soul to the devil and took off - now everybody is crazy about making hard gangsta beats like Dr. Dre. All the beats in hip hop have to be hard - just the way the devil wants it. You can't put out a album now unless it's gangsta

Gangsta beats put you in that frame of mind to do evil deeds such as, bumpin and grinding in the clubs, drinkin moet and crystal, and having with everyone that passes by. That's the devil's way.

Satan tried to make the same deal with Jesus Christ when Jesus was

tempted in the wilderness. The bible says

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high

mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Matthew 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it

is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve

Do you want to be with hip hop or with God? "

This is portrayed from a Christain perspective, what do the shia think? My question is, what is YOUR perspective on this?

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According to this website, and to many other websites Hip hop is driven by the Devil.

Click here to see the website...

So, what do you think, are the rumors true?

If they are, doesn't that prove that music IS haram and WHY it is haram?

so you're trying to prove music is haraam based on a relatively recent music movement called hip hop that has bad lyrics.

Mozart, Beethoven, listen up : your brilliant symphonies are haraam because some gangsters sing bad stuff.

You know, this is like me saying religion are bad and wrong because one sect of such religion is doing this and this.

This makes sense, indeed.

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^ Bro, I'm not confused as to whether music is or is not haram. I am convince 100% that music is haram. My point by starting this topic was to sort of show some proof as to why music is bad. I am very intrigued by the fact that, "rappers sold their souls to the devil". Yes, I know the shaytaan tries to get us to commit haram in any way possible and what better way then through music, right? So he drives "artists" to sing and create sin filled CD's that many adore. BUT, don't you think that it's interesting that the devil compromises with them? "Your soul for fame". Pretty creepy.

ya, a friend of mine had a bunch of dvd's from g craig lewis. pretty interesting. also, if you see who runs these record labels, it makes sense. these rappers don't even live like they talk. they sell you things that the CEO's of the companies want to sell. the same types of people own these television channels that pollute the mind. it's a part of the dajjal movement, in my opinion.

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According to this website, and to many other websites Hip hop is driven by the Devil.

Click here to see the website...

So, what do you think, are the rumors true?

If they are, doesn't that prove that music IS haram and WHY it is haram?

Aslamulaykum

To be honest i think this whole "Music: Haram or Halal?" thing is a huge debate. it is said that any music which gives you lustfull thoughts are said to be haram. and any music video that contains lustfull images in haram.. and any music with swearing in it or something. I myself liste to all sorts of music. From rock to heavy metal to rap. and the music i listen to doesnt contain any swearing. and only the rap and even that i dont listen to it much. i prefer the rock. I dont know i think this is a huge debate. which is it

Thank you. xxxxxxxxxx :blush:

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(salam)

I'd like to recommend this lecture by Sayyed Ammar Nakshawani, titled "Music in Islam"

http://www.sayedammar.com/main/zina/?l=4

Ensha'Allah, it'll answer your questions. (:

(wasalam)

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Actually you're mistaken. Any music that contains ghina is haram, whether it promotes bad ideas or not.

According to Sayid Sistani:

"Music that is permissible is the music that does not entail entertainment in gatherings held for that purpose. Forbidden music is the music that is suitable for entertainment and amusement gatherings."

Salaam Aleykum.

Ayatollah Seyyid Ali Khamenei (HA) also has a very similar ruling to this. But how is someone meant to interpret what sort of music falls into that category. I guess amusement gatherings refers to parties/discos and those sorts of places, and hence music suitable for those places is haraam right?

But heres the thing. Any music track can be taken, with attractive lyrics added to it, to make it suitable for "amusement gatherings". So how can we differentiate between halal music and haraam music, for every halal music track has the potential to be haraam!?

Or could it be that the same music, may either be halal or haraam, depending on its context.

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Salaam Aleykum.

Ayatollah Seyyid Ali Khamenei (HA) also has a very similar ruling to this. But how is someone meant to interpret what sort of music falls into that category. I guess amusement gatherings refers to parties/discos and those sorts of places, and hence music suitable for those places is haraam right?

But heres the thing. Any music track can be taken, with attractive lyrics added to it, to make it suitable for "amusement gatherings". So how can we differentiate between halal music and haraam music, for every halal music track has the potential to be haraam!?

Or could it be that the same music, may either be halal or haraam, depending on its context.

Well, that just means that music is haraam, period. Right?

The only music that I know of that is HALAL is anasheed.

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A hadith I remember listening in a lecture:

Imam Ali a.s: "Everytime you listen to a note of music, it is as if you have slapped my on my face" (OWTTE)

Im not going to analyse the hadith for you - you are perfectly capable to do it yourself.

Personally, I used to be really addicted to music. I stopped - Almost completely now AlhamduliAllah - to all of you who say "its impossible" - been there done that.. ITS NOT.

Look at it this way, would you rather listen vain words from someone who is heading towards a pit or listen to the Words of Your Lord, Him who has set a path for you that if you take any other path, you will lead to destruction of yourself.

Solution: Replace music with Qu'ran - enlighten your heart - if you are in your teens, this is most crucial, set an example to all your friends.

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A hadith I remember listening in a lecture:

Imam Ali a.s: "Everytime you listen to a note of music, it is as if you have slapped my on my face" (OWTTE)

Im not going to analyse the hadith for you - you are perfectly capable to do it yourself.

Personally, I used to be really addicted to music. I stopped - Almost completely now AlhamduliAllah - to all of you who say "its impossible" - been there done that.. ITS NOT.

Look at it this way, would you rather listen vain words from someone who is heading towards a pit or listen to the Words of Your Lord, Him who has set a path for you that if you take any other path, you will lead to destruction of yourself.

Solution: Replace music with Qu'ran - enlighten your heart - if you are in your teens, this is most crucial, set an example to all your friends.

Masha'Allah, well said.

I heard that hadith in a lecture by Sayyed Mahdi Modaressi, he said,

"You can listen to music, but you can never call yourself a Shia of Ali (as) if you do. What kind of Shia of Ali (as) are you if you keep slapping him (as) in the face?"

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Dont you think that some anasheed tracks have the potential to be haraam, just if the lyrics were changed?

Yeah, IF the lyrics were changed into something haraam (lustful, with swearing, etc.), and if it included insturmental music.

But, uhm, who's gonna write something lustful about the Imams (as)? :/

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^ Actually I think the brother means something else, correct me if I'm wrong. There are some anasheed which are haram also because the tunes that they use as "background music" can be used in amusement gatherings. Also, some anasheed such as Basim Al-karbalais "modern" anasheed use the same tune/rhythm as some songs. So, if anasheed are sung in the same tune as haraam songs, they hence become haraam also. According to Sayed Sistani (I posted this before):

Question: Some of the reciters, singers or chanters adopt the tunes of sinful people [i.e., harãm entertainers] and then sing or chant with their tunes poems in praise of the Prophet (s.a.w.) and his family—the result is that the context is different from that of the sinful people, yet the tune is suitable to theirs. Is it forbidden to sing in this way? Is it forbidden to listen [in this case]?

Answer: Yes, based on obligatory precaution it is forbidden."

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Why we people listen to music? Don't we remember why we are in the world. We are not supposed to be there to enjoy music but to work for the pleasure of Allah and the other world. Listening to music is not something common in a muslim, we should avoid it, it is makrooh. It is makrooh any form of love of the world. This should be enough for us to stop our evil nafs, and if you end listening to music, at least we should do istighfar instead of trying to convince us that it is OK.

@naro, don't take it as a joke, what would you do if it were real? :/ you can change anything in your nafs while you have time, so at least try to change this, you won't lose anything if you try :/

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Why we people listen to music? Don't we remember why we are in the world. We are not supposed to be there to enjoy music but to work for the pleasure of Allah and the other world. Listening to music is not something common in a muslim, we should avoid it, it is makrooh. It is makrooh any form of love of the world. This should be enough for us to stop our evil nafs, and if you end listening to music, at least we should do istighfar instead of trying to convince us that it is OK.

@naro, don't take it as a joke, what would you do if it were real? :/ you can change anything in your nafs while you have time, so at least try to change this, you won't lose anything if you try :/

This isn't an argument.

I am tired of hearing this [Edited Out] all day long. Is that all you can come up with ?

In the thread about dogs, someone says : You should stop spending money feeding your dog and use that money for the poor who have nothing to eat.

Here you say : Remember why we are in the world ? To work for the pleasure of Allah and the world.

It's the same thing formulated in other words over and over again.

We, human beings in this earthly life, are allowed to take pleasure in things. Pleasure exists for a reason. Every single individual has different ways of enjoying themselves.

It can be women, food, poems, horse racing, practicing archery, playing with your cat or your dog, teaching your bird to talk, wrestling, telling jokes, the list is infinite. All these things are licit, we are doing nothing wrong having pleasure we things that Allah has made lawful. We don't have to stop doing these things and feed the poor. We can do both, ever thought of it ?

Therefore when we ask the question : Is doing such or such activity lawful, the wise man has three possible answer : He either proves that the action is LICIT / ILLICIT / OR HE DOESNT KNOW but he doesn't answer in this way : Why bother with it anyway ? Why don't you pray instead ?

And this thread is a failure simply because it uses hip-hop, a not so polite form of music, as an argument against music in general.

I understand the reasons behind all the things the Quran has forbidden. I have yet to see one single good reason in my life against music, which I've been listening all my life and still didn't turn me in a sinful devil.

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I wouldn't go as far say rap musicians have sold their soul to the devil, but its really the most sleazy and provocative music around today that promotes materialism, a criminal lifestyle and hedonism.. If any music is from the devil then this is it.

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^ Actually I think the brother means something else, correct me if I'm wrong. There are some anasheed which are haram also because the tunes that they use as "background music" can be used in amusement gatherings. Also, some anasheed such as Basim Al-karbalais "modern" anasheed use the same tune/rhythm as some songs. So, if anasheed are sung in the same tune as haraam songs, they hence become haraam also. According to Sayed Sistani (I posted this before):

Question: Some of the reciters, singers or chanters adopt the tunes of sinful people [i.e., harãm entertainers] and then sing or chant with their tunes poems in praise of the Prophet (s.a.w.) and his family—the result is that the context is different from that of the sinful people, yet the tune is suitable to theirs. Is it forbidden to sing in this way? Is it forbidden to listen [in this case]?

Answer: Yes, based on obligatory precaution it is forbidden."

:)

OH. That makes more sense, 'cause when I read it I was like "whaaaa? ._." xD Mah bad.

Yeah, I emailed Sayyed Sadiq Shirazi and he gave me pretty much the same answer.

haha what a joke hadith can't believe people believe such non-sense.

How is it such a joke...? ._.

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(salam)

Good thread Mashallah.

Can anyone maybe get the COMPLETE ruling for Sayed Fadlullah on this issue? Just curious what he has to say since you already have a nice collection of quotes in this thread.

Peace.

(salam)

Ruling on Songs by M.H. Fadlallah part (2)

Q: Is this also applied on the star actors and some leaders whom some teenagers put their pictures in their bedrooms?

A: The influence of singing on man through arousing the instincts indicates a particular meaning. Hence, the issue is not just a matter of being attracted towards a person, since, singing leaves negative effects on the instinct and lust aspects…etc. And if we leave this issue without control, things will be developed to turn into an immoral social situation like what is happening nowadays all around the world. So, why insisting on arousing the youth's instincts? Islam does not want man to be submitted to the things that are a source of corruption. Allah says in His Holy Quran: {They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit} (2:219). Therefore, everything whose disadvantages are more than its advantages is deemed prohibited. The advantages of the songs which arouse the instincts and destroy the nerves, and even that which glorify the tyrants and the corrupted regimes are certainly more than their advantages.

Q: If the Islamic law (Sharia') was applied in Lebanon, would you prohibit singing?

A: Let us examine the Iranian experience in this respect where singing is not prohibited. There are some songs which are philosophical poems such as, the poems of Al-Fardawsi, Omar El-Khiam, Ikbal and the like. Moreover, the music that elevates the spirit and sublimates it such as the music of Chopin and Mozart is not prohibited. In general, we say that the classical music is not prohibited, as well as the music that soothes the nerves and elevates the soul and contains cultural elements that nourish the soul.

Q: Are there any impermissible musical instruments?

A: No, we do not say that there are impermissible musical instruments. Hence, if the instruments are accompanied with the permissible singing, they are permissible and if they are played with impermissible singing, they are impermissible.

Q: Some youths love songs, but they do not listen to them because they are prohibited; thus, they suffer from doing something against their will. What do you tell them?

A: We tell them that nowadays, we have some musical groups whose songs are broadcasted at "Al-Manar" television. These songs are not prohibited from a religious point of view. Moreover, the Iranian media broadcasts high-class songs and beautiful music. Hence, art, whether singing, acting, drawing or poetry aims at serving man. When art causes man spiritual or emotional behavioral damage, it will be dangerous. Otherwise, why are drugs prohibited all over the world? Are not they prohibited because of their negative effects? Accordingly, everything that has negative effects and whose disadvantages is more than its advantages is considered prohibited.

Q: Do you consider that all the songs which the media broadcasts nowadays have negative effects on the youth?

A: If we want to think about the results, we should think about how to differentiate between the negative effects and the positive effects. For example, if we examine the Western world, we realize that the freedom in these countries has no limits such as the freedom of nudeness. Every Western person does not see any problem in these issues. This is true, hence, according to their culture and traditions this is not prohibited because as to them, the negative attitudes do not constitute any problem in this respect. Nowadays, we can see the encroachment made by boys or girls, this type of encroachment may be practiced from a song here and a song there…

Q: This encroachment may also be practiced through poems since it is not done through singing exclusively…

A: This reality exists and certain people may not live its experience, but, these issues happen in the unreserved countries.

Q: But even in the conservative countries, the phenomenon of encroachment is being spread?

A: If a girl wears the veil (Hijab), this does not mean that her behavior is good. Hence, there is an outer reservation and a behavioral reservation. Not every veiled woman is considered Fatima Al-Zahraa (a.s.) or Virgin Mary (a.s.).

The woman's voice is not a "Awra" (something that should be veiled having the same ruling as some parts of the body)?

Q: Returning to the issue of singing is the woman's voice considered a "Awra" (something that should be veiled having the same ruling as some parts of the body). Accordingly, is it impermissible for her to sing in the presence of a man?

A: The woman's voice is not a "Awra". Therefore, it is permissible for a woman to sing in the presence of a man in case the song is in conformity of the aforementioned conditions. Thus, the songs should be sublime such as the way we recite the Holy Quran and the songs whose words hold sublime concepts or the songs whose melody does not arouse the instincts.

Q: I know that you do not like to mention details and names, but I would like to ask you a question only to clarify the idea. If the famous Lebanese singer Fayrouz, sings "Bhibbak ya lubnan" (I love you Lebanon), do you consider this song a prohibited one?

A: I am not talking about any song in particular, but I am drawing a general line. Thus, if the meanings elevate the spirit and the mind and do not leave a negative effect, they are not prohibited whether they are sung by a man or by a woman.

Q: Some rigorous scholars consider that what we say is a kind of deviation and a revolution against Islamic concepts?!

A: Some people oppose my opinion. However, I am not only the one who holds this opinion, but there are many religious authorities and pious scholars who consider that the problem of singing lies in the content of the song and not only in the melody.

http://english.bayyn...ts/elaph_p2.htm

Q: According to the Islamic conception, what is meant by singing?

From the Islamic point of view, singing is not forbidden, simply because anything around us such as the sound of water falls, the singing of birds, and any other piece of art can provide delight and enchant us, however, once this song pours in the channels of corruption and injustice and once it leads to the excitation of desires then it is prohibited. On the other hand, the songs that praise prophets, sing justice, curse savagery, and draw the awareness towards any political corruption are legitimate.

http://english.bayyn...rudence/art.htm

(wasalam)

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According to this website, and to many other websites Hip hop is driven by the Devil.

Click here to see the website...

So, what do you think, are the rumors true?

If they are, doesn't that prove that music IS haram and WHY it is haram?

It is not what enters the ears, but what exits the mouth, that defiles a person.

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Naro, if you took the time to actually read the article it's not only bashing Hip hop and rap, it's also bashing Heavy metal. Whatever, you believe what you want to believe, but at least have some respect. You sound like you're frustrated with arguing with a bunch of arrogant kafirs. One thing's for sure, I'm not arrogant. So if you could prove to me that music isn't haraam then I'll listen to what you have to say.

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Naro, if you took the time to actually read the article it's not only bashing Hip hop and rap, it's also bashing Heavy metal. Whatever, you believe what you want to believe, but at least have some respect.

lol

because adding heavy metal to the bunch is gonna help ? why don't you try to understand my point ? HOW is bashing one style of music making the whole idea of music HARAAM ?

That's the only thing you've been doing. Please tell me how heavy metal and rap, being " bad style of music " make it haraam to listen to beethoven ? They didn't have rap and metal centuries ago, therefore what was the basis of the illegality of music ?

So if you could prove to me that music isn't haraam then I'll listen to what you have to say.

No. That's not how law works. In law you have to prove that someone is guilty, if you can't, he is innocent.

Therefore I don't have to prove anything. I cannot prove a negative. You have to prove it yourself, prove me music is haraam and I clearly said music, not rap, heavy metal, pop, opera. I said music. Go ahead.

Among things which are haraam in Islam, we can explain many, if not all of them. There is an evident reason behind most if not all forbidden things and most things are also forbidden in Judaism and/or Christianity. But music remains unique in Islam and above all, mysterious and unfounded.

Sayings like " Music makes hypocrisy grow in the heart " are not taken seriously if you bring up such traditions, I don't believe in such stupid superstition.

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