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Shia community shuld explain why azadars were looting shops after the blast on Ashura this is how they show their pain and agony by going after people's livelihood.

Video showing shia protestors looting property after the blast:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnKPwfbgBds

I don't know what you mean by "looting shops"? If you mean by destroying and torching..etc... that is something really common amongst all of you Pakistanis whenever there is a 'protest', it has nothing to do with 'Azadars'. And for your information, Azadaris message is to protect people's rights, properties and peace in denying the injustice of tyrants.... The people who were damaging people's properties were out of their minds and never been ordered or organized by any Shia scholar's fetwa or any politician. On the other hand the terrorist lahnati who blew up himself amongst innocent people was ordered by political leaders, Takfiri Sunni Muftis and/maybe foreign agents... Where the government never took serious actions against them in the last 30 years and allowed them to hit and run in the past.

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Agha Syed Hasan Zafar Naqvi has very explicitly debunked the theory of Shia Azadar retaliating and vandalizing in his press conference (held on night of blast).. and then later in Namaz e Janaza speech.. and then again later in the Soyem Majlis for shuhahda's.. i would request all to hear those audios/videos which are now available on internet..

His 1st majlis at Rizviya (available on www.shia-online.com) also deals specifically with the events of vandalism.. please do listen and ask others also to listen..

bro, any idea why Syed Hasan Zafar was admitted to the hospital? I saw him on the GEO and he was speaking from the hospital!!

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Shia community shuld explain why azadars were looting shops after the blast on Ashura this is how they show their pain and agony by going after people's livelihood.

Video showing shia protestors looting property after the blast:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=BnKPwfbgBds

what a hell the law enforcement agencies were doing there , if azadars had to do these things not only these few markets but hundreds of markets would have been burnt where thousands of mourners were present after blast from light house to numaish, u people make the most of it and when a few ignorants "daykha kaykhi may " join u people then u film them and blame them for it all

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bro, any idea why Syed Hasan Zafar was admitted to the hospital? I saw him on the GEO and he was speaking from the hospital!!

He fainted during Namaz Janaza.. it was nothing serious.. he was discharged very soon and he then addressed a detailed speech on the ocassion of Soyem and later also addressed a majlis as part of his Ashrae Sani at Rizvia..

He is perfectly fine alhamd...

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I'm seeing responses which are ignorant and trying to divert attention from the topic under discussion but fail to give a coherent answer of the damage that was done on that day cos on that specific day there werent any wahabbis on the streets only people from the shia community and there is per reports 32 gb of footage available although protestors tried their best to break cameras around at that time, there is also a news report published today how shia chief minister Syed Qaim Ali Shah and interior minister Zulfiqar Hussein Mirza ignored and ordered not to shoot arsonists at sight by the Chief secretary of Sindh and let the police and rangers stand by and witness the destruction that was allowed during lawyer protests the security men did'nt mind opening skulls of lawyers protesting, this report shows how shia get preferential treatment in Pakistan arsonists used phosphorus which is difficult put out:

Karachi loot and plunder threatens PPP-MQM ties

Saturday, January 02, 2010

By Shaheen Sehbai

KARACHI: A highly mysterious and explosive situation is emerging as video footages of the looting and burning of Karachi’s commercial centres have revealed fatal flaws in the administrative structures and no political or bureaucratic high-up is ready to take responsibility.

What has been confirmed by all is that the Rangers and the police were simple bystanders watching the looters with folded hands as highly trained, white-gloved energetic young men, very confidently and methodically burnt one building after another, turning goods and property worth billions into ashes and unleashing dozens of conspiracy theories and scores of political problems between stakeholders in Karachi.

It is interesting to observe the sequence of events. Within an hour of the Ashura blast, which tragically was quickly forgotten, the battle for prime real estate of Karachi began in earnest. The MQM was furious and blamed the Sindh government leaders for mysteriously disappearing from Karachi when needed. The PPP leaders retorted in kind and accused the MQM of failing to check the fires. Where was the executive machinery to stop the loot and plunder was explained by neither side while fiercely indulging in the blame game.

Some pieces of what happened were put together by the correspondent of The News in Islamabad, Mohammad Ahmad Noorani, who separately interviewed several people, including the two senior-most officials of Sindh, the chief secretary and the home secretary.

According to Noorani, he had credible information that both these officials desperately sought the permission of the Sindh Chief Minister Syed Qaim Ali Shah and the Home Minister Zulfikar Mirza to use the available police and Rangers on the spot to shoot the arsonists and looters but both these PPP leaders kept on denying permission until the damage was done.

To confirm this serious allegation, Noorani telephoned both the chief secretary and the home secretary and their responses, on the record, were not only interesting but intriguing.

CS Fazal-ur-Rahman was asked whether he had sought permission from the chief minister and the home minister to open fire on the looters, his response was: “No, no, it was not like this. Actually, at some later stage, I did tell them (CM and HM) to be tough though I did not necessarily say to open fire. But if someone is destroying public property, authority should be given to tackle the situation. But nobody stopped us from using force.”

Q: “Nobody stopped you but you did not use force, as you should have under the law.”

CS: “In the past, there were magistrates to issue on-the-spot orders to fire. The police do not have that habit (to open fire without orders). I suppose there would have been a lack of coordination but the (looting) was so scattered and it was not that people were visible in sight. They came and then fled.”

Q: “I have it on good authority that you did seek permission to open fire but what you were told in reply, I don’t know.”

CS: Yes, I had asked them to use force. There was nothing more, not an issue of permission.

Q: Did you then ask the home secretary (to use force)?

CS: Yes, I had asked the home secretary to use fire.

Noorani then called the Home Secretary, Sindh, Arif Ahmed Khan. He was also asked the same question whether he sought permission from the CM and home minister to open fire.

His response: “There is nothing of this sort. You are totally talking about an irrelevant thing.”

When asked why they did not open fire to control the situation, in an agitated tone the home secretary said: “I am not supposed to be present on such occasions but the Inspector General of Police was there. They controlled the situation without firing a shot. It was a much wider thing than what you are advising. If one person had been killed by police firing, you people

would have got a news story to write but that would have been bad.

Then you think there was not much loss, he was asked. “There was a great loss but if one bullet had been fired, the loss would have been 10 times more,” the home secretary asserted.

While these two senior law and order officials of Sindh gave their points of view, one asking the home secretary to open fire, and the other saying that if one bullet was fired, there would have been a 10-fold loss, the Federal Interior Minister, Rehman Malik, added his bit on Friday when he addressed the business community at the FPCCI headquarters in Karachi.

Malik told them: “The police and the Rangers do not know how to fire their guns. They have no training and the business community must contribute to a fund to provide training to these forces.”

These conflicting statements have not been able to convince the Karachi city leaders, especially the MQM, which is now very agitated and perturbed on being blamed for not putting out the fires while the PPP leadership is getting away with a massive security lapse and display of incompetence.

The Karachi city leadership also fears that the burning down of many invaluable buildings in the commercial heart of Karachi is now being exploited by the politicians of all hue to grab the lands under the garb of building huge plazas after demolition of the burnt structures.

This fear was almost confirmed by Interior Minister Rehman Malik when he told the business community that plazas could be built and the shopkeepers, who lost their businesses, would be given the first right to get shops.

There was also some suggestion that pre-fabricated markets could be set up for the affected shopkeepers to begin their trading activity but the city leaders and the victims have rejected this proposal as they think once they accept anything, it would become the final settlement and their precious real estate would then be grabbed by influential politicians to build plazas and sell shops at exorbitant prices, which they would never be able to afford.

The whole controversy about the aftermath of the looting and burning has also seriously dented the talks between PPP and the MQM on the fate of the local bodies, especially the status of the Nazims of Karachi and Hyderabad.

A special meeting of the MQM and the PPP is to discuss this critical issue on January 2 in the shadows of President Zardari’s prolonged stay in the city but the Ashura blast and the arson that followed has polluted the political atmosphere between the two coalition partners.

Tension was visible when Interior Minister Rehman Malik and MQM Minister Farooq Sattar held a joint news conference and both stated their positions with little common ground visible.

Analysts say the only and the best solution of the Karachi situation would be a judicial probe, headed by a senior High Court or Supreme Court judge, so that the entire evidence is taken in, analysed objectively and responsibility is fixed. If this is not done, relations between the PPP and the MQM may hit rock bottom faster than many expect.

— Mohammed Ahmed Noorani in Islamabad contributed to this report

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=216476

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Blackwater and MQM’s Hallmarks on Karachi Fire - Bombings

By Dr Shahid Qureshi

Thursday 31 December 2009

MQM and Blackwater/Xe are US sponsored mafia style mercenary outfits due to their management structure as it is almost the same both groups’ chiefs are out of Pakistan to start with.

"There is no difference between Tehreek Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and MQM because both are sponsored by India and USA. Sawat type operation against MQM’s ‘Clean Shaven Taliban’ who are supporting Blackwater/Xe is a must because people will support. President Zardari, the ‘Putin of Pakistan’ can he do anything of for Karachi or he has become a cuddly toy now?"

The recent bombings of a religious procession in Karachi and fire bombings of small businesses miles away from the incident reportedly owned by mostly Sunni Tableghie Jamat a non violent religious group, got all the hall marks of ‘private mercenaries’ Blackwater with the support of MQM. According to reports it is physically not possible for any one attending the procession to go miles away, get special fire bombing chemicals and equipment to set fire 300 hundred shops in Bolton Market. It is only possible if one already knows the timing of the bombings and part of the plot. They targeted a Sunni areas where it is almost impossible for an angry ‘Shia protestor’ to reach from the crime scene keeping in the view the distances. So Shia procession was bombed, Sunni business were burnt down and MQM’s fire engines did not arrive. Seems perfect Blackwater Inc style operation?

Blackwater, MQM’s Plus plan was meticulous and well timed. (a) Timing of the bombing few days before the end of the term of City Government Term. So City Government building burnt down with the record to cover-up corruption? (B) Selection of the venues to be fire bombed © Torching of Light House Market predominantly owned by the Pashtuns who did not pay extortion money to the MQM – Score settled, Job done (d) Torching of Bolton Market mostly business are owned by peaceful Sunni Muslims Memon Community. They refused to be relocated outside the city because shops worth millions. High ups of the current regime allegedly President Zardari & Co had interest in the land to develop and build flats and plazas. (Job done) (e) Why MQM leaders both reportedly Shias Haider Abbas Rizvi and Faisal Sabzwari not in the Ashura procession? (f) Why police and rangers did not stop the arsonists and terrorists? (g) Who ordered them not to act? (h) Remote control bomb was planted in an ambulance which might be carrying a head too? (i) Who is Hasham Al-Zafar (central) and what is his role in the bombing and burning of Karachi? (j) What is his relationship with Saleem Shezad alleged master mind of the operation and why he only reports to Altaf Hussain?

MQM and Blackwater/Xe are US sponsored mafia style mercenary outfits due to their management structure as it is almost the same both groups’ chiefs are out of Pakistan to start with. MQM are the local collaborators of Blackwater/Xe in Pakistan?

According to sources similar kinds of chemicals and fire bombing equipments have been used in Iraq and Lebanon. Pakistan’s security agencies must look into the links between MQM lead City Government and Blackwater. What kind of assistance they are providing to the mercenaries. City mayor Syed Mustafa Kamal and Governor Sind Dr Ashrat Abad Khan recently visited sensitive institutions of the USA related to protection of US national interests aboard. Why would a mayor of a third world country visit US State Department? Did he inform Pakistani’s foreign ministry? He is on the grooming list. “To his credentials it was Mustafa Kamal who opened the door for the assassins came to kill his ‘uncle’ Azeem Ahmed Tariq, leader of the MQM, as it was an inside job. It sounds like nephew shopped his ‘uncle’ according to a source.

Altaf Hussain’s MQM and his mafia have caused more economic and human losses to Pakistan by strikes and terrorist activities then three wars with India. After the incident on Monday December 28, 2009, three thousand shops were burnt; one thousand were burnt after looting which caused loss of Rs. 60 billion to Pakistani economy. Armed men stopped fire engines for over three hours according to reports. Why?

Elements close to MQM were also allegedly involved in the terrorism, arson, and killings after tragic death of Benazir Bhutto on 27th December 2007. Many analysts believe that it was a dry run by the foreign sponsored elements to separate Karachi from the rest of the country. There is another dimension to the burring of some markets with small business. Some people from land mafia were making hostile offers to these old pre partition businesses.

There are reports that MQM has issued thousands of arms licences to its workers and sympathisers in Karachi and some of the licences might have been issued from other provinces. Disarming of the terrorist groups including MQM in Karachi is necessary to avoid future blackmails.

It is also reported that armed gunmen did not allow fire engines to leave the fire stations. All the fire engines and security cameras are under the control of City Government run by MQM whose leader Altaf Hussain controls this group in a mafia style. Within minutes he blamed ‘Taliban’ for the bombings. How did he know it was Taliban and not Indian RAW or Blackwater/Xe? Altaf Hussain deliberately tried to make this a sectarian issue in his live TV broadcast on a news channel, which matches the agenda of private mercenaries and India.

Asia Times Online reported few years ago during Musharraf era, sources says that, “only US diplomatic intervention stopped General Musharraf from taking strong action against the MQM after he received the report on the recent unrest in which the MQM was implicated. Washington indeed has a powerful southern ally in Pakistan’. After September 11, the United States identified even more with the MQM as it was the only party in Pakistan that widely mourned the attacks on the US, openly condemned the Taliban and al-Qaeda, and launched a powerful campaign in support of the US attack on Afghanistan”.

When President Zardari speak about ‘non state & political actors’, probably he also meant Altaf Hussain too? His long distance proactive and dramatic telephonic speeches are more or less what Lord Nelson said, “If you can’t baffle them with brilliance, dazzle them with bull[Edited Out]!". He is never been to Pakistan for more then 15 years but did travel to India on his British passport. Most of the members in mafia style ‘Rabita Committee’ are wanted by Pakistani authorities for heinous crimes. He hides behind this ‘kangaroo committee’.

A political analyst said, ‘to get ‘poodle status’ in US administration Altaf Hussain exaggerates things beyond imagination. For example, he claimed his supporters in Karachi increased by 10 million in just two years because he claimed to have 20 million supporters in an interview with Edgware Times in November 1998. But in 2001 MQM claimed to have 30 million supporters when MQM send a fax to Reuters on 22 September 2001. "(MQM leader) Altaf Hussain has offered the unconditional support of over 30 million MQM supporters to the U.S. president and the international community," its London-based international secretariat said in a statement faxed to Reuters on September 22, 2001”.

According to sources, ‘Altaf group is planning and preparing for armed fight with other groups in Karachi. There might be a plan to divide Karachi on ethnic zones as Rehman Malik mentioned in Dera Ismail Khan? The alleged transfer of money from Karachi to London, Germany, Dubai, South Africa, Canada, and United States is alarming. There reports of increase in the arms sale in Karachi seem serious but what are the authorities doing?

So what is Altaf Hussain up to that is a crucial question to political and security leadership to think about. His alleged close links with the Indian agency and also acting like a mercenary force getting orders from foreign masters. It is time for the government of Pakistan to approach its friends and allies to have a clear cut answers about the real Agenda in Pakistan? Crimes of Altaf Hussain and his party MQM are so heinous that he wouldn’t dare step in Karachi even the whole period of Musharraf and now Zardari rule?

Until November 1998 Government of Pakistan was reportedly seeking extradition of Altaf Hussain who was said to be wanted in 50 murders and 150 cases of kidnapping and arson. He said in an interview with a newspaper in 1998, "It is my wish that they take me to trial in a British court then I will tell people nationally and internationally what has been happening in Pakistan." It was Altaf Hussain and MQM who issued a memo to his workers saying,” if there was war between India and Pakistan, MQM workers will be remain neutral”. Why?

MQM’s deputy chief organiser of district Thatta and his wife were arrested by the police for trafficking 120 kilos of A class drugs according to a press report on 16th May 2004. Mohamed Ibrahim and his wife Ayesha Soho who is also member of district government were coming from Bolan area of Baluchistan on Jeep number BC 1248 when they were stopped by Dadar Police who discovered 180 kilos of HASH worth millions of from the secret compartments of the jeep. Police has registered a case number 13/2004 report against deputy chief of MQM and his wife for drug trafficking. Area in charge SHO of the area Police confirmed that suspects have confessed they have been also involved in arms trafficking from Kabul and been to Afghanistan three times. Both were sent to Sibi Jail in Baluchistan.

“MQM has been funded with the drug money apart from the extortion money taken from the top businessmen in the name of support” according to a report published by The Frontier Post on December 25, 1998. The report says, “… What is more alarming is that the Narco dollars have been used for funding the (MQM), a responsible source in the provincial government said. He added that such funding was tantamount to fuelling terrorism.” Is the Narco-terror funding still on?

By joining as local collaborator of Blackwater in Karachi MQM has provided the eyes and ears on the ground with smart guns. Even if US-India sponsored ‘Pakistani Taliban’ claim responsibility of Karachi Ashura bombings, the chemicals and smart guns used in burnings of the over 6000 small businesses and loss of Rs. 60 billion have all the hallmarks of Blackwater/Xe.

"There is no difference between Tehreek Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and MQM because both are sponsored by India and USA. Sawat type operation against MQM’s ‘Clean Shaven Taliban’ who are supporting Blackwater/Xe is a must because people will support. President Zardari, the ‘Putin of Pakistan’ can he do anything of for Karachi or he has become a cuddly toy now?"

(Dr Shahid Qureshi is award winning journalist and writer on foreign policy & security based in London)

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here it is ,,,, look

City mayor announces for the schools to send the fees vouchers to the CDGK of those children whose shops being burnt in market for next 6 months!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And what you have to say for those children who lost their fathers in this bomb blast whose nature is not yet decided .Till what time you will hide your face under cover of this banner which unseenly can beseen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and those who were busy in azadari were busy in it and not shown by any of you but they have their presence there,,,Procession reached to Hussainian by which time and stopped uptill which time ??? Azadars mourned and terrorists were spreading terror that time but azadars kept on moving no fear ,,,, how many blasts ,target killings, and every kind of cruelity by each descendent of Yazid had been in past and more will be seen in future but Azadari Imam Hussain(as) can not be stopped as Imam Hussain(as) give life to Isalm and his sacrifice was for Almighty Allah's zikr so Zikre Hussain(as) is by AST and who will stand in front of Allah except Yazid(maloon), Namrood, Shaddad , Firaun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Labbaik Ya Hussain(as)

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Blackwater and MQM’s Hallmarks on Karachi Fire - Bombings

By Dr Shahid Qureshi

Thursday 31 December 2009

MQM and Blackwater/Xe are US sponsored mafia style mercenary outfits due to their management structure as it is almost the same both groups’ chiefs are out of Pakistan to start with.

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"There is no difference between Tehreek Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and MQM because both are sponsored by India and USA. Sawat type operation against MQM’s ‘Clean Shaven Taliban’ who are supporting Blackwater/Xe is a must because people will support. President Zardari, the ‘Putin of Pakistan’ can he do anything of for Karachi or he has become a cuddly toy now?"

(Dr Shahid Qureshi is award winning journalist and writer on foreign policy & security based in London)

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What nonsense. India itself is a victim of terrorism of Taliban and is fighting every day with them. Why will it sponsor them?

Secondly no one is foolish like Ziaul Haq and group they breed terror and see its consequences.

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What nonsense.  India itself is a victim of terrorism of Taliban and is fighting every day with them.  Why will it sponsor them?

Secondly no one is foolish like Ziaul Haq and group they breed terror and see its consequences.

like America has no links with taliban

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his parents are west n saudi arabia, dont forget

Taliban remained in the 'service' of Pakistani establishment for far longer than they served the agenda of either the US or Saudia. Pakistan has to take much of the blame, and accordingly, much of the brunt.

Saudia provided ideology. US provided money. Pakistan provided its bum - it's bitten, battered and swollen.

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"Taliban remained in the 'service' of Pakistani establishment for far longer than they served the agenda of either the US or Saudia. Pakistan has to take much of the blame, and accordingly, much of the brunt.

Saudia provided ideology. US provided money. Pakistan provided its bum - it's bitten, battered and swollen. "

yes but Who were their targets?????

Shia muslims !!!!!!

genocide of shias !!!!

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yes but Who were their targets?????

Shia muslims !!!!!!

genocide of shias !!!!

No, not exclusively Shia Muslims. The Taliban and other jihadist groups were used as proxy to consolidate Kashmir and Afghanistan. There were sectarianists among the same Jihadi groups who attacked other religious minorities like Ahmadis, Christians but mainly Shia Muslims. The establishment turned a blind eye to these crimes. They were shamelessly complicit.

Genocide is a strong word and should be used parsimoniously. There was no genocide of Shia in Pakistan. Sectarian killings and massacres? Yes.

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Blackwater and MQM’s Hallmarks on Karachi Fire - Bombings

By Dr Shahid Qureshi

Thursday 31 December 2009

MQM and Blackwater/Xe are US sponsored mafia style mercenary outfits due to their management structure as it is almost the same both groups’ chiefs are out of Pakistan to start with.

"There is no difference between Tehreek Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and MQM because both are sponsored by India and USA. Sawat type operation against MQM’s ‘Clean Shaven Taliban’ who are supporting Blackwater/Xe is a must because people will support. President Zardari, the ‘Putin of Pakistan’ can he do anything of for Karachi or he has become a cuddly toy now?"

The recent bombings of a religious procession in Karachi and fire bombings of small businesses miles away from the incident reportedly owned by mostly Sunni Tableghie Jamat a non violent religious group, got all the hall marks of ‘private mercenaries’ Blackwater with the support of MQM. According to reports it is physically not possible for any one attending the procession to go miles away, get special fire bombing chemicals and equipment to set fire 300 hundred shops in Bolton Market. It is only possible if one already knows the timing of the bombings and part of the plot. They targeted a Sunni areas where it is almost impossible for an angry ‘Shia protestor’ to reach from the crime scene keeping in the view the distances. So Shia procession was bombed, Sunni business were burnt down and MQM’s fire engines did not arrive. Seems perfect Blackwater Inc style operation?

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I have serious reservations about this report as the investigative journalist implied that those with the sticks and stones initially were shias and then later on with a subtle smirk said that some political parties and religious groups were trying to get the jailed people bailed. Therefore i think even these people dont have any interest in shias but just fulfilling their own political agendas.

So please don't endorse these people, as many non-shias already on the path of blaming shias will have their suspicions confirmed when we ourselves support these groups.

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(bismillah) (salam)

Imagine being the family of one of those who died :'(, how miserable it would be, I wish Imam Mahdi (as) were here, so all this would stop, wow, imagine how hard it is for him, seeing EVERY single thing that happens good and bad, but sadly there is more bad than good. its the shias fault that his appearance was delayed, including my fault too i bet, i heard there is a bad deed that if a shia does then it will delay the appearance by 100 years, and a good deed which will hasten it by 100 years, but we dont know what they are, so just stay away from all sin, so you dont do the one which delays his coming for a century!

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My friend's father who used to sell paper-related products in Bolton market did'nt eat anything for last 3 days for what would happen to his family after shia protesters destroyed their property these sunni shopkeepers used to donate and contribute is building sabeels along the procession now they realize that they are actually were feeding snakes who bit finally bit them, your comments indicate that you are trying to pass blame on mqm if any of you have guts to visit that site no one is there to help them, there is no federal response there is no provincial government [as it is ruled by shia qaim ali shah] only city government is helping them clearing the rubble giving them steel-like small hut shops to setup whatever they can in order to start earning in order to rehabilitate themselves, and shias are blaming the only people who are trying to normalize the situation or else people whose livelihood can go to any lengths to avenge this devastation Mustafa Kamal Ataturk as one ignorant member said actually doing shias a favour, people are frustrated there and you dont do anything apart from azadari Mqm is trying to rehabilitate as nowadays shias do procession on chehlum also this time if anything went wrong people will take law into their own hands and shia areas like Ancholi which are fuctioning normally[far from devastation of Bolton market] will be targeted if shias actually are responsible citizens of a country than they would try to understand and need to take azadari outside the city or nearby imambargahs or as rupert murdoch said their nationality is their religion and that's all they care about then they all should migrate to Iran and rid us of their existence or else more bloodshed will follow and this time only sunnis wont be affected everyone will have to pay for the stupid security demanding processions which are now happening every month of the year.

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My friend's father who used to sell paper-related products in Bolton market did'nt eat anything for last 3 days for what would happen to his family after shia protesters destroyed their property these sunni shopkeepers used to donate and contribute is building sabeels along the procession now they realize that they are actually were feeding snakes who bit finally bit them, your comments indicate that you are trying to pass blame on mqm if any of you have guts to visit that site no one is there to help them, there is no federal response there is no provincial government [as it is ruled by shia qaim ali shah] only city government is helping them clearing the rubble giving them steel-like small hut shops to setup whatever they can in order to start earning in order to rehabilitate themselves, and shias are blaming the only people who are trying to normalize the situation or else people whose livelihood can go to any lengths to avenge this devastation Mustafa Kamal Ataturk as one ignorant member said actually doing shias a favour, people are frustrated there and you dont do anything apart from azadari Mqm is trying to rehabilitate as nowadays shias do procession on chehlum also this time if anything went wrong people will take law into their own hands and shia areas like Ancholi which are fuctioning normally[far from devastation of Bolton market] will be targeted if shias actually are responsible citizens of a country than they would try to understand and need to take azadari outside the city or nearby imambargahs or as rupert murdoch said their nationality is their religion and that's all they care about then they all should migrate to Iran and rid us of their existence or else more bloodshed will follow and this time only sunnis wont be affected everyone will have to pay for the stupid security demanding processions which are now happening every month of the year.

I wish men in white coats would come, inject you with a sedative and drag you away. You are yapping ad nauseam without making an iota of sense.

It is laughable that Shia are bombed and then blamed for being bombed. Are you blind not to see what is going on on the ground? Indeed you are. The organised groups of criminals who appeared 40 minutes after the bomb with cutters, metal rods, phosphorous etc, whoever they were, they were not Shia from the juloos.

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My friend's father who used to sell paper-related products in Bolton market did'nt eat anything for last 3 days for what would happen to his family after shia protesters destroyed their property these sunni shopkeepers used to donate and contribute is building sabeels along the procession now they realize that they are actually were feeding snakes who bit finally bit them, your comments indicate that you are trying to pass blame on mqm if any of you have guts to visit that site no one is there to help them, there is no federal response there is no provincial government [as it is ruled by shia qaim ali shah] only city government is helping them clearing the rubble giving them steel-like small hut shops to setup whatever they can in order to start earning in order to rehabilitate themselves, and shias are blaming the only people who are trying to normalize the situation or else people whose livelihood can go to any lengths to avenge this devastation Mustafa Kamal Ataturk as one ignorant member said actually doing shias a favour, people are frustrated there and you dont do anything apart from azadari Mqm is trying to rehabilitate as nowadays shias do procession on chehlum also this time if anything went wrong people will take law into their own hands and shia areas like Ancholi which are fuctioning normally[far from devastation of Bolton market] will be targeted if shias actually are responsible citizens of a country than they would try to understand and need to take azadari outside the city or nearby imambargahs or as rupert murdoch said their nationality is their religion and that's all they care about then they all should migrate to Iran and rid us of their existence or else more bloodshed will follow and this time only sunnis wont be affected everyone will have to pay for the stupid security demanding processions which are now happening every month of the year.

Leave your comments to yourself.

Before pass any judgement from your own mind, analyse the whole situation.

Just for you to understand.....

http://www.thelondon.../SQ31dec09.html

I have serious reservations about this report as the investigative journalist implied that those with the sticks and stones initially were shias and then later on with a subtle smirk said that some political parties and religious groups were trying to get the jailed people bailed. Therefore i think even these people dont have any interest in shias but just fulfilling their own political agendas.

So please don't endorse these people, as many non-shias already on the path of blaming shias will have their suspicions confirmed when we ourselves support these groups.

One question also arises that the security CCTV cameras are functioning in all the areas where procession had to pass, then where is the CCTV footage when bomb was planted in that box.

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One question also arises that the security CCTV cameras are functioning in all the areas where procession had to pass, then where is the CCTV footage when bomb was planted in that box.

This is a good question. We should have the footage when the bomb was planted IF CCTVs were working at that time.

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@ radisson:

I am willing to believe all of your allegations if you could just bring proof for me that these people destroying the shops were shias? Do you see some ticker tape on their heads that the rest of us missed...or some flashing sign?!

The kind of pitiful picture your are portraying for these traders is really ironical given the fact that 24/7 all the news channels are sympathizing with them. Every debate, discussion i have seen so far has focused on the plight of these people...so which parallel universe are you existing in to pass such statement or dont you get pakistani news channels at your place?!

Just remember one thing, a burnt structure can be built again, but a killed person can't be brought back to life. You talk about your friend's father going without food...what about all those families who have lost their loved ones, breadwinners etc? The traders still have a chance to cash in on insurance money, or the funds given to them to reinvest in shops...do you think the same could be done by the families of those martyred?

Finally if you can read urdu...just read this article...it might melt some of the ice in your heart!

"Kash maoon nay dukano ko janam diya hota"

This is a good question. We should have the footage when the bomb was planted IF CCTVs were working at that time.

Supposedly the bomb was planted at night and the cameras don't have night vision... convenient...eh?!

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(bismillah)

(salam)

A few days ago, it was reported in a local newspaper that the Tehrik - e- Taliban has claimed responsibility for the Ashura blast citing '"To protect the honour of the Companions" as the reason. In fact, they added more of the same can be expected.

It can be argued the newpaper reports are wrong, but I don't think so.

Your government and the general public has a lot of bloodthirsty nasebi sympathizers in thier various organisations, so one should not be surprised at such horrendous tragedies taking place. These scum and dregs who are an excuse for human beings are being churned out steadily in large numbers from the various madrasas, training camps, etc., to create mayhem, bloodshed, death and destruction for anyone who don't accept their views. They are the homegrown frankenstein monsters which were created on large scale during the regime of Zia ul Haq, and continue to flourish.

Know something? Pakistan is already a failed state and the Indians did not have to do anything at all to push them over the edge.

Allah provide Refuge for all our momineen brothers and sisters.

Ali.

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Its funny how India enters into every discussion with the word Pakistan!!!

Indeed.

How easily it is assumed that Indian establishment would sit on its arse and see Pakistan go down cos the latter is already a dead fly. Why then, I wonder, they are doling out millions to BLA from their consulates in Afghanistan.

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Indeed.

How easily it is assumed that Indian establishment would sit on its arse and see Pakistan go down cos the latter is already a dead fly. Why then, I wonder, they are doling out millions to BLA from their consulates in Afghanistan.

(bismillah)

(salam)

Seems I have rubbed some Pakistanis on the wrong side, this was unintentional believe me. All I wanted to convey was when the situation within the country is crisis ridden, other countries need not involve themselves even if they are inimical to the said country.

The Pakistan government points fingers at India which is only to cover up its own failure or lack of interest in preventing such things from happening. We have insurgency in Kashmir, but part of the blame is on the Indian government; why did it allow the alienation of the kashmiris to develop to such an extent?

The bottom line is; to look inwards and try to rectify the situation thereby cutting off the chances of outside interference as much as possible.

Regret if I have unintentionally offended anyone.

peace

ali

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