Ayatullah Khorasani

[muhammad_follower]

Bismillah Ar Rahman Ar Raheem

Assalam Alaikum wa Rahmatollah wa Barakatuh

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Khoda Hafiz

1. Which Shia scholar on the history of the earth has said mourning for Imam Hussein(as) is wrong?

2. That website doesn't reference sources properly (especially from scholars).

3. That website also calls the clown Yaasir Habib "Hujjatul Islam." The same person who claims the Noble Prophet(sawa) used to marry adulterers. Absolutely disgusting.

[Ruh.Mujarad]

Read it, thanks for the larger scan.

I find this strange because it contradicts his earlier fatwah, and and another fatwah which is on his website, as well as in his printed book.

Take a look at what it says here:

Question: Is there any problem with hitting the head to cause bleeding (tatbir) in a way that does not cause significant harm, to express mourning for Imam Hussain (as) ?

Answer: There is no problem with that, given what is stated in the question, and Allah knows best.

Follow up Question: You stated that there is no problem in causing the bleeding of the head, tatbir - if it does not lead to harm, and that it is a halal act, is it possible for the act to become mustahab if the intention was for the strengthening and honoring the shaer, and sympathizing with Ahlulbayt?

Answer: Evidence is not provided to make this a shaer, there fore it can not be ruled as mustahab, but most probably Allah will reward the individual for sympathizing with Ahlulbayt if they are sincere.

Ahsantum brother,

You have just proved to everyone that Tatbir is not a Sha'ira, therefore it is like any Mubah (permissible) action that we may be rewarded for if our intentions are pure. Let us provide an example: If I give out a few dates on the street for the love of Imam Husayn (as), then - although it is not a sha'ira - I could be rewarded for it if my intention is sincere. So now we discovered that tatbir and giving out dates are on the same level !

Therefore, this fatwa is AGAINST those supporting tatbir and not FOR them. It is noteworthy that Ayatollah Sheikh Tabrizi (ra) also agrees with Ayatollah Khoei's fatwa. So here we have two of our greatest contemporary Marja's stripping RECOMMENDATION/SHA'IRA off of tatbir.

Please provide us with the other fatwas that denounce tatbir.

May Allah (swt) have mercy upon Ayatollah Khoei and Ayatollah Tabrizi's souls for beginning the gradual removal of these wrong practices from our societies.

Wasalam

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(bismillah)

This is a common fatwa amongst the living maraja' who are mentioned in the context of 'alamiyyah by Ahlul-Khibra:

Iraq:

Sayyid Sistani-http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/234952360-closedreviewsistani-zanjir-should-be-avoided/

Sheikh Bashir Najafi-

Bismahe Subhana

It is permitted unless Maula Imam Hussain’s (as) and the Ahl-ul-Bayt’s persecution are considered as propaganda or if he is not allowed by his doctor because it might result in death or losing of a body part. Matam-qama or matam-zanjeer should not be done if he is settled in a part of the world where people due to their ignorance or lack of knowledge about Imam Hussain (as) after watching such matam are turned away from Imam Hussain (as). Therefore it should be avoided in front of such people.

Allah Knows Better

http://www.alnajafi.org/questions-and-answers/40-fiqh/58-question-on-qama-and-zanjeer-zani.html

Sayyid Hakeem-

As the act of Tatbeer and other kinds of slogans is performed to populate the right principal and express emotions towards it then it is religiously recommended from this side. Yes, it can be prohibited because of secondary reasons like if it causes personal harm, public disadvantage or similar reasons. There is no set criterion for such prohibition as it differs from place to place and from time to time. It can also be different because of difference in opinions.

http://english.alhakeem.com/pages/quesans/listgroup_ques.php?Where=95

Sheikh Ishaq Fayyadh-?

Iran:

Sayyid Khamenei-

In addition to the fact that it is not held in the common view as manifestations of mourning and grief and it has no precedent at the lifetime of the Imams (a.s.) and even after that and we have not received any tradition quoted from the Infallibles (a.s.) about any support for this act, be it privately or publicly, this practice would, at the present time, give others a bad image of our school of thought. Therefore, there is no way that it can be considered permissible.

http://www.ezsoftech.com/mazloom/zanjeer.asp

Ayatullah Wahid Khorasani-?

Ayatullah Nasir Makarem-

As it has been mentioned before, the issue of mourning of Imam Hussein (a.s.) anytime and anywhere is one of the best worships and strengthens the soul of faith and Islamic courage and devotion among Muslims, but it should be performed in the way that it doesn’t give excuse to enemies of Islam and doesn’t cause abuse of that and this great and magnificent ceremony not to be weakened; therefore it should be abstained from acts that vilify the religion.

http://english.makarem.ir/estefta/index.php

Ayatullah Gulpaygani-?

Sayyid Zanjani-?

[Master Chief]

^Thanks for posting these.

[MAFHJ]

Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem

Assalam Alakium wa Rahmatollah wa Barakatuh

I found this website answered all my questions on Azadari

www.azadari4imam.org

Khoda Hafiz

Salamu alaikum,

This is a phony website that misleads people. It tries to promote tatbeer with false or inaccurate fatwas. For more info check post 67 in this link

Edited December 24, 2010 by MAFHJ

[iseeit]

No, actually it isn't. If you know anyone who says people who don't do zanjeer don't love Imam Husain (as) please give them a courtesy slap from me. Actually give yourself one too for generalizing.

Is that what he did after becoming mujtahid?

Where is his written and signed statement and those who follow him and are his muqallids, let them do what he tells them to do.

And it's an unfortunate thing when we have so many clear examples in the media like youtube and western tv media, of qama zani being used by enemies to contaminate and destroy the purpose of azadari, still we are behind proving a ritual which none of our imams did. Those who give exampls of Ovais e karani should know that his act of spontaneous and not a planned one and he did that only once in his life time. Grow up still brains!

And what if I do?

"MERAY SAR PAR QAMMA AUR PUSHT PARR MATAM ZANJEER KE NISHAAN JUNAAB E FATIMA ZAHRA (SA) KE HUZOOR MERI SHIFAAT KA SAMAAN HAIN"

AYATOLLAH E UZAMA AS SHEIKH BASHIR HUSSAIN NAJAFI

"The marks of qama zani on my head and zanjeer zani on my back are what I have as my intersession in the presence of Janab e Fatima Zahra (sa)."

- Ayatullah alUzma Bashir Husain Najafi

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Is there an actual audio of Sheikh Bashir saying that, or did he write it somewhere? Because I already posted his fatwa directly from his website. Even with what he does allow, he only says it's permissible, not mustahab. In other words, it is halal, there is no inherent reward or punishment in doing it.