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Imam Ali (as) says two kind of people will go to hell

  1. one who degrade my position
  2. one who Enhance my position

Are you sure !! becoz as far as I remember Shia do believe that Ali is higher in rank than Angels, Prophets and Messengers !!?

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What is the position of shias on people who call Ali God?

^They are ghulats (LA) and kuffar. They are worst than Jews, Christians, fire worshippers, Kharijites or ANY of the ahlul-bidah.

From itiqadat al-Imamiyah of Shaykh Saduq(ar).

ÞÇá ÇáÔíÎ ÃÈæ ÌÚÝÑ - ÑÖí Çááå Úäå -: ÇÚÊÞÇÏäÇ Ýí ÇáÛáÇÉ æÇáãÝæÖÉ Ãäåã ßÝÇÑ ÈÇááå ÊÚÇáì¡ æÃäåã ÃÔÑ ãä ÇáíåæÏ æÇáäÕÇÑì æÇáãÌæÓ æÇáÞÏÑíÉ æÇáÍÑæÑíÉ(1) æãä ÌãíÚ Ãåá ÇáÈÏÚ æÇáÃåæÇÁ ÇáãÖáÉ¡ æÃäå ãÇ ÕÛÑ Çááå Ìá ÌáÇáå ÊÕÛíÑåã ÔÆ.

May Allah(swt) curse the ghulats(LA).

w/s

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Are you sure !! becoz as far as I remember Shia do believe that Ali is higher in rank than Angels, Prophets and Messengers !!?

I mean enhancing position to GOD

Tawazun

Tawazun

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who says?

Well if he wasn't then who gave you the right to say Ali is higher in rank than prophets and messengers ( except prophet Muhammad )..

this is a sign of Ghuluw in Ali ...

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Well if he wasn't then who gave you the right to say Ali is higher in rank than prophets and messengers ( except prophet Muhammad )..

this is a sign of Ghuluw in Ali ...

Ali is Imam and true khalifa of Muhammed (pbuh) this is what i have been taught and learned so far...i dont care what scholars talk about in regards to rank of Ali (as)

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Well if he wasn't then who gave you the right to say Ali is higher in rank than prophets and messengers ( except prophet Muhammad )..

this is a sign of Ghuluw in Ali ...

Do not make such assumptions. Understand the idea of Imamate and read the proofs for it. If you understand the concept and its proof, then you can understand Ali's (ra) position in Shi'a Islam. (Whether you accept all this is a different story, but you can understand it.)

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Well if he wasn't then who gave you the right to say Ali is higher in rank than prophets and messengers ( except prophet Muhammad )..

this is a sign of Ghuluw in Ali ...

(salam)

Consider this there is a work crew sent by Allah.

Allah places a high ranking Prophet, imam and Slave above them as the chief messenger.

he has granted this high ranking one many ranks such as being a Prophet, and then being a Imam and as well as a messenger, and the Seal of All prophets. when this chef's work period is up and it is time for him to return home, he dose so, Allah therefore places another high ranking chief over them, he has granted this one the Rank of Imam, salve and Messenger ship. now then, if you measure by ranks both them you would notice one has more ranks then the other although both are messengers and ones who Allah set in charge of the team or workers. This is something that deserves deep thought outside of what scholars may say. for the messengers are of one single brotherhood with many different ranks and merits inside of them that each one is granted by Allah to what Allah allows each one. similarly we know Isa as both prophet, Masih and Messenger do we not? and we know Ibrahim as Imam, Prophet and Friend of Allah and messenger do we not?

(wasalam)

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Qa'im Rising Star

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(salam)

From Man La Yahdarahu al-Faqih

3550 - æÞÇá ÃÈæÌÚÝÑ Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã: (Ãä ÚáíÇ Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã áãÇ ÝÑÛ ãä Ãåá ÇáÈÕÑÉ ÃÊÇå ÓÈÚæä ÑÌáÇ ãä ÇáÒØ ÝÓáãæÇ Úáíå æßáãæå ÈáÓÇäåã¡ Ëã ÞÇá áåã: Åäí áÓÊ ßãÇ ÞáÊã ÅäÇ ÚÈÏÇááå ãÎáæÞ¡ ÞÇá: ÝÃÈæÇ Úáíå æÞÇáæÇ áÚäåã Çááå: áÇ Èá ÃäÊ ÃäÊ åæ¡ ÝÞÇá áåã: áÆä áã ÊÑÌÚæÇ ÚãÇ ÞáÊã æáã ÊÊæÈæÇ Åáì Çááå ÚÒæÌá áÇÞÊáäßã¡ ÞÇá: ÝÃÈæÇ Úáíå Ãä íÊæÈæÇ æíÑÌÚæÇ ÞÇá: ÝÃãÑ Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã Ãä ÊÍÝÑ áåã ÂÈÇÑ ÝÍÝÑÊ¡ Ëã ÎÑÞ ÈÚÖåÇ Åáì ÈÚÖ¡ Ëã ÞÐÝ Èåã ÝíåÇ¡ Ëã Ìä ÑÄæÓåÇ¡ Ëã ÃáåÈ Ýí ÈÆÑ ãäåÇ äÇÑÇ æáíÓ ÝíåÇ ÃÍÏ ãäåã ÝÏÎá ÝíåÇ ÇáÏÎÇä Úáíåã ÝãÇÊæÇ)).

3550 – And Abu Ja`far Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã said that when Amir al-Mu’mineen Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã departed from the people of Basra seventy men from the Zutt came to him. So they gave salam to him and spoke with him in their language. Then he said to them: I am not as you have said. I am a created servant of Allah. So they refused him and they, Allah curse them, said: No, rather you, you are He. So he said: If you do not return from what you have said regarding me, and do not repent to Allah `azza wa jalla I will kill you.

He said: So they refused to repent and return. He said: So he Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã commanded that there be wells dug for them. So it was dug. Then they were pierced some of them to some (i.e. the wells were joined together (?)). Then he threw them in it. Then he covered its heads (i.e. the openings to the wells). Then fire was ignited in a well from it in which there was not any of them in it. So the smoke came in upon them in it and they died.

http://www.*******.org/hadiths/hudud/apostasy

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(salam)

To believe Ali is Allah (swt) is shirk. Ali (as) is not god, and he is not a Prophet.

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I read strange position on those people who thinks Ali (ra) is no less that God.

Q 317: There is a sect called ‘Aliyyullāhī which says that Ali (a.) is not a god, although he

is not less than a god either. What is the rule applicable to them?

A: If they do not ascribe a partner to Allah, the One, the Munificent and the

Exalted, the rule applicable to them is not that of polytheists

http://islam-pure.de/imam/books/ajvab.pdf

Can anyone answer this also? What is a ruling of such people if not polytheists?

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There is a hadith which states that if Allah (swt) didn't create RasoolAllah (pbuh) then he wouldn't have create the universe. This is fine. However, from the Imami hadith collections, its states if Ali (as) was not created then the Prophet (pbuh) would be not be created, and if Fatima (sa) wasn't created then both Ali (as) and RasoolAllah (pubh) would not be created. Doesn't this make you a fasiq ?

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ThThe question has been answered and please do not post these questions in Sunni/Shia Dialgoue. They are not Sunni/Shia issues. Regards.

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