Imam Hussain (as)

FatimaZahra · December 2, 2009

(bismillah) (salam)

For those who believe in the raj'a (i think thats what its called) which is when after Imam Mahdi (as) passes away other imams will come back, which i heard it will be Imam Hussain (as) first but then doesnt that mean that Imam Hussain (as) will die 2 times? Death is just the soul leaving the body, and going to the afterlife, right? Well then couldnt we say prophet isa (as) is dead temporarily or something, just like how the people of the cave died then came back to life? So what i want to know is, if imam hussain (as) is coming back after Imam Mahdi (as), wont he die again, therefore dying twice?

(wasalam)

naro · December 2, 2009

nobody can live twice

Imam Hussein will never come back to life, that's a stupid belief.

Isa isn't dead temporarily he never died, he went to heaven and will soon return on earth, where he will finally die.

hadez803 · December 2, 2009

(salam)

Your assumption is wrong. Their is no problem with dying once twice or a hundred times. The same God who gave life can take the life and give it back and take it and give it again a hundred times. Someone would think this is impossible that underestimates the power of God.

just like how the people of the cave died then came back to life?

They didn't die, they were asleep.

nobody can live twice

Wrong!

Quran 40:11 : translated by Yusuf Ali:

They will say: "Our Lord! twice hast Thou made us without life, and twice hast Thou given us Life! Now have we recognised our sins: Is there any way out (of this)?

Quran 2:259: translated by Yusuf Ali:

Or (take) the similitude of one who passed by a hamlet, all in ruins to its roofs. He said: "Oh! how shall Allah bring it (ever) to life, after (this) its death?" but Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again). He said: "How long didst thou tarry (thus)?" He said: (Perhaps) a day or part of a day...

Imam Hussein will never come back to life, that's a stupid belief.

Not as Stupid as having a belief that opposes the Quran!:angel:

ShiaSoldier@2007 · December 2, 2009

(bismillah) (salam)

Hazrat Isa (as) can bring back humans by the will of Allah (suhanatala) and Allah can't bring back an IMAM (as) by his own will.. I think not. Naro please state that you are non shia before giving your "wisdom" on any issue that is related to shia islam. Thank you.

**iraqi_shia** · December 2, 2009

nobody can live twice
Imam Hussein will never come back to life, that's a stupid belief.
Isa isn't dead temporarily he never died, he went to heaven and will soon return on earth, where he will finally die.

If you dont know, remain silent, dont come out with rude statements like this, especially when you are completely wrong.

naro · December 2, 2009

Quran 40:11 : translated by Yusuf Ali:
They will say: "Our Lord! twice hast Thou made us without life, and twice hast Thou given us Life! Now have we recognised our sins: Is there any way out (of this)?
Quran 2:259: translated by Yusuf Ali:
Or (take) the similitude of one who passed by a hamlet, all in ruins to its roofs. He said: "Oh! how shall Allah bring it (ever) to life, after (this) its death?" but Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again). He said: "How long didst thou tarry (thus)?" He said: (Perhaps) a day or part of a day...
Not as Stupid as having a belief that opposes the Quran!:angel:

Hi Einstein.

Maybe I should have precised : nobody can live twice on earth ? The verses you quote talk about living life on earth then dying, then being resurrected for the afterlife on the Judgement Day.

I supposed you would have guessed it, I guess I was wrong.

And you don't need to remind me that Allah can do anything he wants, sure he can bring back an Imam to life if he wanted, but what is the purpose of it when he will send Imam Mahdi and Jesus ? ( these 2 didn't die yet. They will not go back to live on earth unlike Imam Hussein ) he can even turn all of you in monkeys and cats if he wanted, he can do every single thing. What kind of argument is that ?

Your assumption that Imam Hussein will come back to life after 1400 years is completely unfounded. Might aswell say Abraham, Noah and Moses will come back too to be the next Imams.

**iraqi_shia** · December 3, 2009

^ your tone is so annoying.

hadez803 · December 3, 2009

Hi Einstein.
Maybe I should have precised : nobody can live twice on earth ? The verses you quote talk about living life on earth then dying, then being resurrected for the afterlife on the Judgement Day.
I supposed you would have guessed it, I guess I was wrong.

Well genius I guess You cant see that the second verse is about the Prophet Uzair (as) on earth and has nothing to do with the here-after.

Your assumption that Imam Hussein will come back to life after 1400 years is completely unfounded. Might aswell say Abraham, Noah and Moses will come back too to be the next Imams.

How did you find that out? Maybe you should take a look at Bihar ul-anwar vol.53 p.39-145 and read the at least 162 narrations mentioned their to see how unfounded this and Raj'ah are! If your Sunni don't bother answering because this is an inter-shia discussion!

Your-Best-Friend · December 3, 2009

Those who said the concept of RIJA is stupidity, is STUPID in him/herself.

Yes, InshaAllah, all Masoomeen ASWS will come back, as they are matryed/shaheeds, and they are alive, as shaheed never dies, which is already written in Quran-e-Pak.

And all the Masoomeen ASWS will rule the world after Maula Imam Mehdi ASWS AJTFS's matrydom, then qayamat will come.

naro · December 3, 2009

Well genius I guess You cant see that the second verse is about the Prophet Uzair (as) on earth and has nothing to do with the here-after.

Yes Uzair and only him. And he was a Prophet.

All Prophets > Any Imam

:lol:

**baqar** · December 3, 2009

All Prophets > Any Imam

Does the Quran or Hadeeth say that ? Or is that just your assumption ?

If not mentioned in the Quran or Hadeeth, there does not seem to be any reason why your statement must needs be true.

In fact, it seems perfectly reasonable for God to send his very best in one period of time, under the umbrella of the same Law and Prophet.

ShiaSoldier@2007 · December 3, 2009

Yes Uzair and only him. And he was a Prophet.
All Prophets > Any Imam
:lol:

(bismillah) (salam)

Your math is off..

Let me give you another equation to show you how it is done.

1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000(Abu bakr + Umar + Usman + Muawiyah + Yazeed) < (0.000000000000000000000000000000000014)Any dust that falls from an Imams shoe when he walks.

naro · December 3, 2009

In fact, it seems perfectly reasonable for God to send his very best in one period of time, under the umbrella of the same Law and Prophet.

who is 'his very best' if not Imam Mahdi and Jesus ( who will not be brought back to life ) ?

If God wanted to send Imam Hussein for the end times then why did he make him live and die 1400 years earlier ?

Yes the above statement that all prophets are worth more than imams is my assumption.

I don't see why Imams who never received revelation or communicated with God or performed miracles would be worth more than Prophets who performed all kind of miracles, from transforming a rod into a snake to curing the leper and the blind in a second. I don't see why Imams who were poisoned or assassinated would be worth more than Prophets who were constantly protected by God from suffering and from tragic events or miraculously cured by God when they were tested with a disease. It's like saying Imam Hussein's wife is worth more than Virgin Mary.

You know, I don't always need the Quran or hadiths to make assumptions, I got a brain.

Edited December 3, 2009 by naro

FatimaZahra · December 3, 2009

nobody can live twice
Imam Hussein will never come back to life, that's a stupid belief.
Isa isn't dead temporarily he never died, he went to heaven and will soon return on earth, where he will finally die.

Salaam,

His soul departed from this world temporarily So you can say he is not alive on THIS earth. And i was asking this question to those who believe in the raja

wasalam

Hi Einstein.
Maybe I should have precised : nobody can live twice on earth ? The verses you quote talk about living life on earth then dying, then being resurrected for the afterlife on the Judgement Day.
I supposed you would have guessed it, I guess I was wrong.
And you don't need to remind me that Allah can do anything he wants, sure he can bring back an Imam to life if he wanted, but what is the purpose of it when he will send Imam Mahdi and Jesus ? ( these 2 didn't die yet. They will not go back to live on earth unlike Imam Hussein ) he can even turn all of you in monkeys and cats if he wanted, he can do every single thing. What kind of argument is that ?
Your assumption that Imam Hussein will come back to life after 1400 years is completely unfounded. Might aswell say Abraham, Noah and Moses will come back too to be the next Imams.

Salaam

Please dont post comments if theyre rude! You cant mightaswell say they (abraham noah moses) will come back, sure they can if Allah wants, but Allah will make it so Hussain (as) comes back instead to rule after the death of Imam Mahdi (as)

wasalam

who is 'his very best' if not Imam Mahdi and Jesus ( who will not be brought back to life ) ?
If God wanted to send Imam Hussein for the end times then why did he make him live and die 1400 years earlier ?
Yes the above statement that all prophets are worth more than imams is my assumption.
I don't see why Imams who never received revelation or communicated with God or performed miracles would be worth more than Prophets who performed all kind of miracles, from transforming a rod into a snake to curing the leper and the blind in a second. I don't see why Imams who were poisoned or assassinated would be worth more than Prophets who were constantly protected by God from suffering and from tragic events or miraculously cured by God when they were tested with a disease. It's like saying Imam Hussein's wife is worth more than Virgin Mary.
You know, I don't always need the Quran or hadiths to make assumptions, I got a brain.

Salaam,

Please, i would like only shias to be involved in this topic, the others dont seem too nice :(

wasalam

Nimra · December 3, 2009

nobody can live twice
Imam Hussein will never come back to life, that's a stupid belief.
Isa isn't dead temporarily he never died, he went to heaven and will soon return on earth, where he will finally die.

When Imam Hussain(as) can bring back life to Habib ibne Mazahir who was dead, why do you have so much dificulty believing he can come back to life again?

FatimaZahra · December 3, 2009

When Imam Hussain(as) can bring back life to Habib ibne Mazahir who was dead, why do you have so much dificulty believing he can come back to life again?

(bismillah) (salam)

imam hussain (as) brought habib ibne mazahir back to life?

(wasalam)

naro · December 3, 2009

When Imam Hussain(as) can bring back life to Habib ibne Mazahir who was dead, why do you have so much dificulty believing he can come back to life again?

Hi Sunrise,

Simple, I don't see any reason to believe in it. First why Imam Hussain will come back and not other Imams? Why not Imam Ali, why not Imam Hassan ? What is so special about Hussain ? That he was martyred ? He will get a great reward for it, so why should he come back ?

I have every reason to believe Jesus will come back as he did NOT die yet and his return is documented in both the Bible and Hadiths. Imam Mahdi is also an authentic belief among muslims, but return of Hussain, well...maybe in books from people who worship him so much that they want him to return :)

FatimaZahra · December 3, 2009

Hi Sunrise,
Simple, I don't see any reason to believe in it. First why Imam Hussain will come back and not other Imams? Why not Imam Ali, why not Imam Hassan ? What is so special about Hussain ? That he was martyred ? He will get a great reward for it, so why should he come back ?
I have every reason to believe Jesus will come back as he did NOT die yet and his return is documented in both the Bible and Hadiths. Imam Mahdi is also an authentic belief among muslims, but return of Hussain, well...maybe in books from people who worship him so much that they want him to return :)

(bismillah) (salam)

We believe Isa (as) will come back, but when Imam Mahdi (as) passes away one of the imams will come back , it has been reported it will be imam hussain (as), doesnt mean Imam Hussain (as) is superior to the rest of the imams though, we dont have reasoning for everything Allah does, and i dont know if the hadiths about imam hussain (as) coming first are authentic or not, but we do know imams will come back.Some people might be thinking why imams will come back although prophet isa (as) is alive, we need imams (as) more than we need prophets (as), and why do people always assume shias worship ahlul bayt? How many times do i have to say NO rude comments pleeeeeaaaaaseee! And by the way, why not say "salaam sunrise" rather than "hi sunrise"?

(wasalam)

Edited December 3, 2009 by FatimaZahra

hadez803 · December 3, 2009

naro in post #2:

nobody can live twice

naro in post #10:

Yes Uzair and only him. And he was a Prophet

naro in post #13:

You know, I don't always need the Quran or hadiths to make assumptions, I got a brain.

To sum it all up:

Once upon a time some guy had a brain.

The brain reached the conclusion that: "nobody can live twice".

The brain was easily contradicted by the Quran.

The brain was FORCED to accept that: "People can live twice".

Because of its contradictions with the Quran people no longer trusted the brain.

But the owner of the brain insisted: "You know, I don't always need the Quran or hadiths to make assumptions, I got a brain."

The brain came up with another brilliant Idea: "Yes Uzair and only him. And he was a Prophet".

The people never found out why the brain reached the conclusion that: This is ONLY possible for Uzair.

People learned not to trust the brain.

Peace!

naro · December 3, 2009

To sum it all up:
Once upon a time some guy had a brain.
The brain reached the conclusion that: "nobody can live twice".
The brain was easily contradicted by the Quran.
The brain was FORCED to accept that: "People can live twice".
Because of its contradictions with the Quran people no longer trusted the brain.
But the owner of the brain insisted: "You know, I don't always need the Quran or hadiths to make assumptions, I got a brain."
The brain came up with another brilliant Idea: "Yes Uzair and only him. And he was a Prophet".
The people never found out why the brain reached the conclusion that: This is ONLY possible for Uzair.
People learned not to trust the brain.
Peace!

Once upon a time there was a guy with no brain

He did not understand that when I say 'nobody can live twice', it was for 99.999999999% of the population

He seriously thought my whole point failed when he came up with one case in human history where a Prophet,

Who is not to be compared with normal beings like us, lived twice.

He therefore concluded that all mankind can live twice on earth, as if we all had 2 chances to enter Paradise.

But no, he doesnt understand.

If he examined Uzair's case seriously, he would see how unique it is.

He would see that as he was sleeping, God took his life for 100 years and gave it back.

Yet he also believes that a normal man who was beheaded 1400 years ago, will also have it's life back after more than a thousand years.

Indeed he is so brainless, that if I were to say that no man can be born from a virgin,

He would bring the case of Jesus, another Prophet, to try contradicting me and expose it as a general truth that applies for every men.

He would then wait in vain for another man to be born from a virgin, it will not happen, just like the Imam he worships will not come out of his grave.

Peace Einstein

BintAlHoda · December 4, 2009

Guys,

Keep it polite please. If you don't believe in something there are eloquent and appropriate ways to express it. The above is not an example of that.

ShiaSoldier@2007 · December 4, 2009

Once upon a time there was a guy with no brain
He did not understand that when I say 'nobody can live twice', it was for 99.999999999% of the population
He seriously thought my whole point failed when he came up with one case in human history where a Prophet,
Who is not to be compared with normal beings like us, lived twice.
He therefore concluded that all mankind can live twice on earth, as if we all had 2 chances to enter Paradise.
But no, he doesnt understand.
If he examined Uzair's case seriously, he would see how unique it is.
He would see that as he was sleeping, God took his life for 100 years and gave it back.
Yet he also believes that a normal man who was beheaded 1400 years ago, will also have it's life back after more than a thousand years.
Indeed he is so brainless, that if I were to say that no man can be born from a virgin,
He would bring the case of Jesus, another Prophet, to try contradicting me and expose it as a general truth that applies for every men.
He would then wait in vain for another man to be born from a virgin, it will not happen, just like the Imam he worships will not come out of his grave.
Peace Einstein

(bismillah) (salam)

Where did you get this whole "worship Imam" thing.. Is that all you can do. We whoop you in a debate and you go, "well you worship graves" then run away. Keep on topic and don't try to enlighten on a topic you don't have knowledge of.

hadez803 · December 4, 2009

Wow the moderators are really tolerating this guy naro,

First he says: Believing that Imam Hossein will come back to life is a stupid belief.

The he tells us: "he (Allah) can even turn all of you in monkeys and cats if he wanted.

Then says the Imams can not perform miracles.

Then he accuses us of Shirk:"but return of Hussain, well...maybe in books from people who WORSHIP him"

Then he calls names like having no brain and being brainless.

Then he says Imam Hossein was a NORMAL man:"Yet he also believes that a NORMAL man who was beheaded 1400 years ago"

He then repeats we are mushriks again:just like the Imam he WORSHIPS will not come out of his grave"

Once upon a time there was a guy with no brain

Is it only you or are other people with the same belief as you are this polite?

He did not understand that when I say 'nobody can live twice', it was for 99.999999999% of the population

I see we have reached an agreement. WE NEVER SAID IT HAPPENS TO EVERYONE. Only a small percent of the population.

He seriously thought my whole point failed when he came up with one case in human history where a Prophet, Who is not to be compared with normal beings like us, lived twice.

Maybe you don't see the point. If it's possible for one it's possible for others. I'll show you more examples and from normal beings then maybe you will reconsider.

He therefore concluded that """"ALL""" mankind can live twice on earth, as if we all had 2 chances to enter Paradise.

I don't remember reaching such a conclusion.

But no, he doesnt understand. If he examined Uzair's case seriously, he would see how unique it is. He would see that as he was sleeping, God took his life for 100 years and gave it back. Yet he also believes that a normal man who was beheaded 1400 years ago, will also have it's life back after more than a thousand years.

I'll show more examples. And i didn't know "The master of the Young people of Heaven (sayyedo shobab ahl al-jannah)" Is a NORMAL person.

Indeed he is so brainless, that if I were to say that no man can be born from a virgin,

Your very polite.

He would bring the case of Jesus, another Prophet, to try contradicting me and expose it as a general truth that applies for every men.
He would then wait in vain for another man to be born from a virgin, it will not happen, just like the Imam he worships will not come out of his grave.

The "Imam he worships"?!

Rajah from The Quran and the books of the Sunni's:

1-The Prophet Uzair (as): This was already mentioned.

2-Forty thousand people who ran away from plague:

Quran 2:243: Have you not seen those who came out of their houses because they were afraid to die and they were THOUSANDS Then Allah said to them "die" and then He brought them back to life again. Verily Allah is most gracious to mankind but most people are not thankful.

Al-hakim al-neysabouri narrates in Al-mustadrak vol. 2 page 281:

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Regarding the verse:"have you not those who came out of their houses..." Ibn Abbas said: They were FORTY THOUSAND people who moved from their lands because they feared plague and they said will we reach a land that has no death so Allah said to them: "Die" and they died. A messenger of Allah passed by and asked Allah to bring them back to life and He brought them back to life. And those are the people who Allah said about them:"And they were thousands afraid of dying".

Al-Hakim AL-Neysabouri says: According to the conditions that the shaikhein (Bukhari & Muslim) have set this narration is correct but they did not mention it (in their sahihs).

Suyooti has mentioned this narration and many different versions of It from a lot of people in his tafseer.

3-70 people from the followers of Moses:

Quran 2:55 : "And when you said:'Oh Moses, we will never believe you unless we see Allah openly', so the lightning bolt took you while you were staring." 2:56: "Then we raised you after you died so that you might become thankful."

It has been mentioned in nearly all of the Tafsirs of the sunni's that these were 70 people from the tribe of Mosses Who died and were brought back to life again.

4-A murdered man from bani israel:

Quran 2: 72-73: "And when you killed a man and disputed amongst yourselfs, And Allah would reveal what you had hidden." "And we told you to strike (the body) with a piece (of the body of the cow). It is like this that Allah brings to life the dead and shows you his signs..."

It has been mentioned in nearly all of the Tafsirs of the sunni's that a man was murdered by the bani Israel and God rdered them to kill a cow and strike a part of the body of the cow to the murdered persons body. When they did this he came to life again and told them who had killed him.

5-The children of Ayoub:

Quran 38:43: "And we granted to him his family and along with them a group like them as a kindness from us and a remembrance for those who possess intelligence."

Tabari in Jami al-bayan, Ibn Kathir in Tafsir al-Quran al-Azim, Shokani in fath ul-ghadir, suyooti and al-mahalli in tafsir al-jalalain, and many others have narrated that:

"The prophet Ayoub's children were brought back to life after they died."

That's enough for now.

With the help of: http://www.valiasr-a...uestion&id=1014

**SoRoUsH** · December 8, 2009

(salam)

The only way to (Almost) get to the bottom of this is to go through each and every hadith regarding this issue, one by one.

Each and every hadith that speaks about the Raj'ah of Imam Hussain (as) needs to be examined, and the gradings for it need to be verified.

Aside from this method, any other method wouldn't be sufficient, in my opinion.

Hussian · December 8, 2009

(bismillah) (salam)
Your math is off..
Let me give you another equation to show you how it is done.
1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000(Abu bakr + Umar + Usman + Muawiyah + Yazeed) < (0.000000000000000000000000000000000014)Any dust that falls from an Imams shoe when he walks.

(wasalam)

Did the Imams ever wear shoes? I thought they only wore sandals? Perhaps my thought is wrong. I would rather not say for sure what they wore, and what Hazrat Baqiyatall-h (may G-d hasten his return) wears and will wear, because i do not know.

But yeah, here is some thing I think I once heard of, or read of:

1 swing was it or strike of Imam Ali (peace be upon him) with his sword on the battle field > (is greater than) the prayers of all the Muslims

According to: http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=450

there are 1.57 Billion Muslims living in the world.

1 swing was it or strike of Imam Ali (peace be upon him) with his sword on the battle field > (is greater than) the prayers of more than 1.57 Billion Muslims and all of those Muslims who have lived and died before us and will live and die after us.

Now if the 1.57 Billion Muslims who are alive today, were all to pray just one day, that would be:

1.57 Billion (x) times 5 daily prayers= 7,850,000,000

Simply put, 1 swing of Imam Ali (peace be upon him) > (is greater than) 7,850,000,000 Daily prayers

EDIT: And to that person who keeps up with bad manners, my advice to such a person is that if a Kaafir can have good manners why can that individual who says their religion is Islam not have good manners?

Edited December 8, 2009 by Hussian

hadez803 · December 8, 2009

1 swing was it or strike of Imam Ali (peace be upon him) with his sword on the battle field > (is greater than) the prayers of all the Muslims
According to: http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=450
there are 1.57 Billion Muslims living in the world.
1 swing was it or strike of Imam Ali (peace be upon him) with his sword on the battle field > (is greater than) the prayers of more than 1.57 Billion Muslims and all of those Muslims who have lived and died before us and will live and die after us.
Now if the 1.57 Billion Muslims who are alive today, were all to pray just one day, that would be:
1.57 Billion (x) times 5 daily prayers= 7,850,000,000
Simply put, 1 swing of Imam Ali (peace be upon him) > (is greater than) 7,850,000,000 Daily prayers

:lol: YOUR WRONG. YOUR WRONG. YOUR WRONG. :lol:

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You have underestimated his strike :lol:. The narration is like this:

áÖÑÈå Úáی ÎیÑ ãä ÚÈÇÏå ÇáËÞáیä

The strike of (the sword) of Ali is greater than ALL THE WORSHIPS OF THE THAQALAIN (HUMANS AND JINN PUT TOGHETHER).

Your-Best-Friend · December 8, 2009

YOUR WRONG. YOUR WRONG. YOUR WRONG.
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You have underestimated his strike . The narration is like this:
لضربه علی خیر من عباده الثقلین
The strike of (the sword) of Ali is greater than ALL THE WORSHIPS OF THE THAQALAIN (HUMANS AND JINN PUT TOGHETHER).

Hadez, YOUR TREATMENT IS WRONG.....

If Mr. Husain did not write the saying correctly, then you must correct him politely, and do not make fun of him or anyone.

JazakAllah Khair.

Edited December 8, 2009 by Your-Best-Friend

hadez803 · December 8, 2009

Hadez, YOUR TREATMENT IS WRONG.....
If Mr. Husain did not write the saying correctly, then you must correct him politely, and do not make fun of him or anyone.
JazakAllah Khair.

I wasn't making fun of him :o :cry:! I was trying to say the matter in a humorous way :P . I thought this sentence clearly showed it was humour: "You have underestimated his strike". Anyway if it looks like I'm making fun, I apologize! :wub:

Edited December 8, 2009 by hadez803

Your-Best-Friend · December 8, 2009

I wasn't making fun of him ! I was trying to say the matter in a humorous way . Anyway if it looks like I'm making fun, I apologize!

Thats gr8.....The Almighty Allah bless you, aameen

Burning Desire · December 8, 2009

nobody can live twice
Imam Hussein will never come back to life, that's a stupid belief.
Isa isn't dead temporarily he never died, he went to heaven and will soon return on earth, where he will finally die.

have you read Quraan?

Allah says there is notong impossible for him...isa use to give life to dead people...there are incident described in quraan where people where given life after death read suraan kahaf

FatimaZahra · December 16, 2009

have you read Quraan?
Allah says there is notong impossible for him...isa use to give life to dead people...there are incident described in quraan where people where given life after death read suraan kahaf

(bismillah) (salam)

be careful, some people might take the "nothing impossible" part wrong, they might say, "if nothing is impossible for him, then cant he turn himself into a physical being?" But then actually, since Allah is infinite and has no limits, being physical WOULD limit him. Because when your physical, there are boundaries, and limits, and anyways, one time someone (I think it was an athiest) went to one of the imams, and pretty sure it was Imam Sadiq (as), and asked the Imam (as) "Why cant we see god", then the Imam (as) told him "Look at the sun", so he did, but then immediately covered his eyes, then the Imam (as) told him "Can you expect to see the creator when you cant even look at the created?"

(wasalam)

Edited December 16, 2009 by FatimaZahra

lion · December 16, 2009

Qouting books here is useless, the same books have many errors, known errors that is. this can be more of a philsophical question rather than anything else. I strongly disagree with the usage of quranic verses to act as support of raja, because they have nothing to do with this specific concept and hence they are interpreted wrong.

It is certainly not sufficient to make such claims without a solid understanding of the concepts. The ''god can do anything' argument is seriously flawed,and I think needs to stop being used as a justification,it is ,though i may recieve criticism for it, pure nonsense(in this context)

Edited December 16, 2009 by lion

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