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And from a group of our companions from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. `Isa from `Ali b. al-Hakam from Hisham b. Salim from a man from Abu `Abdillah (as): Verily the Messenger of Allah (sawa) married al-Miqdad b. al-Aswad to Daba`a the daughter of az-Zubayr b. `Abd al-Muttalib. Then he said: He only married her to al-Miqdad that the women be humbled, and that by the Messenger of Allah (sawa) you be founded (?), and that you know that the noblest of you with Allah is the most pious of you. And az-Zubayr was the brother of `Abdullah and Abu Talib by their father and mother.

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1 – Muhammad b. Ya`qub from `Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from al-Hasan b. Faddal from Tha`laba b. Maymun from `Amr b. Abi Bakr from Abu Bakr al-Hadrami from Abu `Abdillah (as). He said: Verily the Messenger of Allah (sawa) married al-Miqdad b. al-Aswad to Daba`a the daughter of az-Zubayr b. `Abd al-Muttalib. And he only married him that the women be humbled, and that by the Messenger of Allah (sawa) they (pl. masc.) be founded (?, possibly i.e.: that by the Messenger they have a precedent set), and that they would know that the noblest of them with Allah is the most pious of them.

MALANGS PLEASE HELP (I HAVE ALWAYS BELEIVED A PERSON WHO IS NON SYED MARRYING A SYED DESERVES TO BE KILLED)

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(salam)

The idea is completely cultural and not Islamic.

http://www.*******.org/hadiths/marriage/hashimid-woman-marrying-the-non-hashimid-man-and-otherwise

And if you like Sistani:

Question: Can a Sayyid girl marry a non-Sayyid man? Answer: It is permissible and there is no objection to it.

http://www.sistani.org/local.php?modules=nav&nid=5&cid=530&sid=0&eid=0&page=2

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(I HAVE ALWAYS BELEIVED A PERSON WHO IS NON SYED MARRYING A SYED DESERVES TO BE KILLED)

But that is because you have always been a jaahil.

And don't expect any malangs to come help you here. When it comes to knowledge of Islamic shariah, malangs are even less useful than a mirage in a desert.

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MALANGS PLEASE HELP (I HAVE ALWAYS BELEIVED A PERSON WHO IS NON SYED MARRYING A SYED DESERVES TO BE KILLED)

I am shocked to read this and the extreme of it.

A person who believes in god, prayes 5 times a day, gives zakat, in short is a pious muslim, is to be killed if he married a non syed?

Ridiculous and totally unislamic.

Unfortunatly many people actually do believe in this, so may Allah swt guide them.

To marry a syed is one own personal choice. Same with not marrying one.

If youre a syeda , if you married a non syed, yes your kids will be non syed as the lineage goes from the male side, however thats up to the individual to decide this, and theres no harm which ever she chooses.

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MALANGS PLEASE HELP (I HAVE ALWAYS BELEIVED A PERSON WHO IS NON SYED MARRYING A SYED DESERVES TO BE KILLED)

Have people actually been killed because of this?

But that is because you have always been a jaahil.

And don't expect any malangs to come help you here. When it comes to knowledge of Islamic shariah, malangs are even less useful than a mirage in a desert.

That's a bit of a hasty generalization. What makes you say that?

Did miqdad actually marry a Syeda then or not, also are these hadiths true

He did not marry one because a Syed or Syeda is a descendant of Imam Ali (as) and Lady Fatima (as).

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(salams)

I feel as if this is taken from Hinduism - Syeds being Brahmans cannot Sudras' (non -Syed)... I seriously hate this man ...

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^^Syed women are the mother of the beleivers they are paak and paakeeza

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lol , are you saying MEERA ( Pakistani Actress) aka Syeda Irtiza Naqvi and Komal Rizvi ( Pakistani Singer) will be mothers of believers ... lol , get a life mate ...

Peace

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(salam)

I feel as if this is taken from Hinduism - Syeds being Brahmans cannot Sudras' (non -Syed)... I seriously hate this man ...

Yeah, definitely some caste system influence there.

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malangs are halali's who dont marry their mothers and rely on maula ALI IBN ABU TALIB a.s for help only.marrage is an religious obligation therefore for all halali's and i challenge all others to go to www.hubeali.com

and read the topic on why it is haram for sayidzadi to marry a non sayed

i know only hahli's will look it up because of the saying of the holy prophets(saw)that only hahali born can love ALI IBN ABU TALIB a.s therefore i am asking every one to go and read this which is profoundly detailed and very very informative will answer all your questions because it is by true malangs of maula ALI IBN ABU TALIB a.s,you can give yourself an dna test at the same time,if reading this helps you to love maula ALI IBN ABU TALIB a.s then thank you mother for she as born you a hahali this par with another saying of the holy prophet(saw)

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He did not marry one because a Syed or Syeda is a descendant of Imam Ali (as) and Lady Fatima (as).

In that case Lady Zaynab [a] the daughter of Imam Ali [a] married a non sayyid! Either way malangs are refuted.

This is what ayatullah Muthari says about the above incident:

In fiqh the problem of kuf' (equality of status) arises in the context of marriage. The question that arises is whether all the races are equal in the matter of equality in marriage? In this regard, the judgement of the Iranian Abu Hanifah is highly noteworthy. He, like a staunch champion of Arab superiority, issues the decree that an `Ajam (non-Arab) is no match for an Arab, and an `Ajami man cannot marry an Arab woman. But all other fuqaha', such as Malik ibn Anas, despite being Arab, say that there is no distinction between Arab and `Ajam in this matter.

Sufyan al-Thawri, also an Arab, is of the same view. Al-`Allamah al Hilli, a leading Shi'i jurist and racially an Arab, in his book Tadhkirat al fuqaha', quoting Abu Hanifah's fatwa, says: "What Abu Hanifah says is wrong, because in Islam an `Alawi Sayyid (Shari f) is an equal of an Abyssinian slave girl." He further says: "The proof of this view is provided by the fact that the Prophet (S) gave in marriage his cousin Diba'ah to Miqdad ibn al-'Aswad al-Kindi, a black man. When people objected to this match, he said that is, I have done so in order to establish one level of equality.

The fatwa of Abu Hanifah is strange, and its reason, as Sunnis themselves accept, was Abu Hanifah's meagre knowledge about the Sunnah and practice of the Prophet (S). But here what is relevant is to note that in those eras the Muslim scholars had no national prejudices.

Here we may quote a memorable. anecdote from the books of fiqh, which on the one hand shows the strength of the Arab's chauvinism, and on the other presents an example of Islam's surprising victory over such prejudices. It is said that Salman al-Farsi sought the hand of `Umar's daughter in marriage. `Umar, despite his not being altogether free from certain prejudices, expressed his consent, for he knew that Islam had negated all prejudices. `Abd Allah, his son, due to this feeling of Arab chauvinism, was enraged, but could not do anything against his father's will. He sought the help of `Amr ibn al-`As, who promised to take care of the matter. One day `Amr ibn al-`As met Salman and said to him, "Congratulations, for I have come to know that you are going to be honoured by marriage with the Caliph's daughter." Salman replied, "If this act is supposed to bring honour to me, I shall not do it." And Salman declared his withdrawal of the marriage proposal.

http://www.al-islam.org/al-tawhid/Iran/mutual.htm

Btw what is the correct spelling of her name?

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In that case Lady Zaynab [a] the daughter of Imam Ali [a] married a non sayyid! Either way malangs are refuted.

pak bibi s.a (allhuma salle alle Mohammadin wa ale Mohammad)was married ti haz Abdullah son of haz Jaffar e tayar a.s hashmi sayyid

get your facts right before commenting and visit www.hubeali.com then talk!

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pak bibi s.a (allhuma salle alle Mohammadin wa ale Mohammad)was married ti haz Abdullah son of haz Jaffar e tayar a.s hashmi sayyid

get your facts right before commenting and visit www.hubeali.com then talk!

I think you misunderstood. If the definition of a sayid is a descendant of Imam Ali [a] and Lady Fatimah [a] then the marriage of Lady Zaynab [a] refutes the malang view. If the definition is the descendant of Abdul Muttalib [r] or even Hashim [r] then the marriage of Miqdad [a] refutes you. Do you have another definition? :D

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MALANGS PLEASE HELP (I HAVE ALWAYS BELEIVED A PERSON WHO IS NON SYED MARRYING A SYED DESERVES TO BE KILLED)

Is he being serious or sarcastic?

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I feel as if this is taken from Hinduism - Syeds being Brahmans cannot Sudras' (non -Syed)... I seriously hate this man ...

Peace

(salam)

lol , are you saying MEERA ( Pakistani Actress) aka Syeda Irtiza Naqvi and Komal Rizvi ( Pakistani Singer) will be mothers of believers ... lol , get a life mate ...

Peace

Meera was a SHIA?! :wacko:

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malangs are halali's who dont marry their mothers and rely on maula ALI IBN ABU TALIB a.s for help only.marrage is an religious obligation therefore for all halali's and i challenge all others to go to www.hubeali.com

and read the topic on why it is haram for sayidzadi to marry a non sayed

i know only hahli's will look it up because of the saying of the holy prophets(saw)that only hahali born can love ALI IBN ABU TALIB a.s therefore i am asking every one to go and read this which is profoundly detailed and very very informative will answer all your questions because it is by true malangs of maula ALI IBN ABU TALIB a.s,you can give yourself an dna test at the same time,if reading this helps you to love maula ALI IBN ABU TALIB a.s then thank you mother for she as born you a hahali this par with another saying of the holy prophet(saw)

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Malangs are a product of Sindhi/Punjabi landlords and Indian nawabs' masti with their maids ... they want to cover all this up with their silly interpretation of madhab ...

Peace

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Meera was a SHIA?! :wacko:

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Yes man ... She is shia and according to one definition given by a brother , she is the mother of paak kids ... I wonder how he came up with this definition :S.... Syed /Non Syed if they follow the path of Allah and Ahlulbayt then they are the real sons and daughters of Imam Ali and Syeda Fatima and if you dont follow the path of Allah and Ahlulbayt , even if you are the brother of an Imam , you will be called Jafar-e-Kazzzab ( I am sure you guys have heard of the Story of Jafar-e-Kazzab who was then known as Jafar-e-tawwab because he did tawbah )

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I feel as if this is taken from Hinduism - Syeds being Brahmans cannot Sudras' (non -Syed)... I seriously hate this man ...

That's exactly what it is. Not only this but there are several other "items" which have been absorbed in from the Hindu system.

(salam)

I guess the Wahabies are justified in saying that we have taken many things from Hinduism , Judaism and Christianity .. Man we should seriously boycott such things ..

Peace

Who cares about the Wahabbies. They're [Edited Out] themselves

pak bibi s.a (allhuma salle alle Mohammadin wa ale Mohammad)was married ti haz Abdullah son of haz Jaffar e tayar a.s hashmi sayyid

get your facts right before commenting and visit www.hubeali.com then talk!

Hz. Jaffar e Tayyar was not a Syed.

I think you misunderstood. If the definition of a sayid is a descendant of Imam Ali [a] and Lady Fatimah [a] then the marriage of Lady Zaynab [a] refutes the malang view. If the definition is the descendant of Abdul Muttalib [r] or even Hashim [r] then the marriage of Miqdad [a] refutes you. Do you have another definition? :D

The definition of a Syed is the decendant of Imam Ali (as) and Lady Fatima (as).

In a nutshell the basic moral of this story is not to get all caught up in this Syed/Non-Syed business. Being a pious Shia is all that matters.

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malangs are halali's who dont marry their mothers and rely on maula ALI IBN ABU TALIB a.s for help only.marrage is an religious obligation therefore for all halali's and i challenge all others to go to www.hubeali.com

and read the topic on why it is haram for sayidzadi to marry a non sayed

i know only hahli's will look it up because of the saying of the holy prophets(saw)that only hahali born can love ALI IBN ABU TALIB a.s therefore i am asking every one to go and read this which is profoundly detailed and very very informative will answer all your questions because it is by true malangs of maula ALI IBN ABU TALIB a.s,you can give yourself an dna test at the same time,if reading this helps you to love maula ALI IBN ABU TALIB a.s then thank you mother for she as born you a hahali this par with another saying of the holy prophet(saw)

What a lot of rot. Plz take your confused, mushrik-inspired 'aqaaid somewhere else. And, btw, I was under the impression that marriage is a highly recommended sunnah, but it is not wajib, If that is the case, it can't be a religious obligation. It's strange how this drivel stems from the Indo-Pak subcontinent. The Arabs have no problem with non-Sayyid men marrying Sayyid females, and it's for a good reason - because no such prohibition exists !

To the OP: As has already been mentioned, Sadaat are generally classed as having descended from Imam 'Ali (as) and Fatimah (as), therefore even Hadhrat 'Abbas (as) cannot be regarded as a Sayyid.

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MALANGS PLEASE HELP (I HAVE ALWAYS BELEIVED A PERSON WHO IS NON SYED MARRYING A SYED DESERVES TO BE KILLED)

Is this a common belief amongst "Malangs" ?

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Salaams

Could the learned posters clarify whether there exists any conenction between Kuff and marriage? That would no doubt be pertinent to the discussion. Have the Ulema commented on tfe doctrine of Kuff?

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It's funny because the daughters of Ali(as) and Fatima(as) (the origin of all Syeds) were married to non-Syeds (obviously). So in the view of some desi shia's they themselves have committed this "sin" (naoudhabilla).

BTW I noticed most of this Syed/non-Syed marriage issue comes mainly from punjab. Most other Syed's don't seem to have an issue with it, correct me if I'm wrong :unsure:

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lol , are you saying MEERA ( Pakistani Actress) aka Syeda Irtiza Naqvi and Komal Rizvi ( Pakistani Singer) will be mothers of believers ... lol , get a life mate ...

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If Aishah bint Abu Bakr can be the mother of believers, then I don't see why not...

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