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What should one do to hasten Mahdi's return?

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Hello everyone.

I am student, and i am doing a research on Armageddon/the end of days/etc, as described in various religions (Shia naturally included). This research also includes the question of hastening the arrival of the Messiah, be it Jewish Mashiah, Christean/Muslim Jesus, or Mahdi. The research also includes the question of what one should do (apart from spreading the word of the true faith, or behaving properly) in anticipation of Messiah's return. I am looking for suggestions of deeds or the deeds themselves such as a train route and repaired mosque (both done by Ahmadinejad in anticipation to Mahdi's return).

If you have any links to literature or to forums that deal with such matters (Preferably in English, but i can also cope with Arabic) i will be grateful.

I realize that some of such literature can be classified as "hate promoting", so if you have anything radical, you can send it to my E-mail (lercon2000@yahoo.com), in order not to post it on the forum.

In order to forestall any questions-I am a Jew from Israel, and the research is strictly for academic purposes.

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The research also includes the question of what one should do (apart from spreading the word of the true faith, or behaving properly) in anticipation of Messiah's return. I am looking for suggestions of deeds or the deeds themselves such as a train route and repaired mosque (both done by Ahmadinejad in anticipation to Mahdi's return).

Nothing. You don't hasten a guided messiah or the Mahdi's arrival. He will come when God tells him to and when it is the best time for him to come.

It has always been that way and will always stay that way. God has his plans in mind, nobody can change his mind.

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Nothing. You don't hasten a guided messiah or the Mahdi's arrival. He will come when God tells him to and when it is the best time for him to come.

It has always been that way and will always stay that way. God has his plans in mind, nobody can change his mind.

Thanks for the answer, but what can you do in anticipation of Mahdi's return?

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Hello everyone.

I am student, and i am doing a research on Armageddon/the end of days/etc, as described in various religions (Shia naturally included). This research also includes the question of hastening the arrival of the Messiah, be it Jewish Mashiah, Christean/Muslim Jesus, or Mahdi. The research also includes the question of what one should do (apart from spreading the word of the true faith, or behaving properly) in anticipation of Messiah's return. I am looking for suggestions of deeds or the deeds themselves such as a train route and repaired mosque (both done by Ahmadinejad in anticipation to Mahdi's return).

If you have any links to literature or to forums that deal with such matters (Preferably in English, but i can also cope with Arabic) i will be grateful.

I realize that some of such literature can be classified as "hate promoting", so if you have anything radical, you can send it to my E-mail (lercon2000@yahoo.com), in order not to post it on the forum.

In order to forestall any questions-I am a Jew from Israel, and the research is strictly for academic purposes.

(bismillah) (salam)

There is a whole book on it but, you can ask Allah (subhanatala) to hasten Imam Mahdi's (as) return. We say Wa AJil Farajahum after many surahs or duas (prayers) basically that means and hasten his return.

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Nothing. You don't hasten a guided messiah or the Mahdi's arrival. He will come when God tells him to and when it is the best time for him to come.

It has always been that way and will always stay that way. God has his plans in mind, nobody can change his mind.

Imam Mahdi (a.t.f.s.) in one of his Tawqee (letter) has exhorted his followers:–“Pray more for my reappearance because in it is your salvation (Kamaaluddin, p.485, H.4)

Imam Ja'far E Sadiq(a.s.) says in a tradition, "When Bani Israel had given up all hope from the oppression of Firaun, they gathered in a Jungle and cried before Allah, seeking a solution to their problem. The result of their prayer was that Allah(the Most High) advanced the birth of Hazrat Musa(a.s.) (who was to be their Saviour) by 400 years."

Then the Imam(a.s.) continued, "My Son will not appear till the time the Shias(of the last period) do not pray for him.(a.s.)"

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I asked this in the other thread but no one replied :

I have heard from various sources that shia muslims believe in a bloody revolution that would mark the end of most of the people of the world and after that a utopian perfect life under Mahdi in which there will be "peace" for eternity. What i don't understand is why does that eternal peace require a war that will kill most of the people on the planet ? Can't we achieve universal peace without war?

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Imam Mahdi (a.t.f.s.) in one of his Tawqee (letter) has exhorted his followers:–“Pray more for my reappearance because in it is your salvation (Kamaaluddin, p.485, H.4)

Imam Ja'far E Sadiq(a.s.) says in a tradition, "When Bani Israel had given up all hope from the oppression of Firaun, they gathered in a Jungle and cried before Allah, seeking a solution to their problem. The result of their prayer was that Allah(the Most High) advanced the birth of Hazrat Musa(a.s.) (who was to be their Saviour) by 400 years."

Then the Imam(a.s.) continued, "My Son will not appear till the time the Shias(of the last period) do not pray for him.(a.s.)"

There are stories about everything and I don't believe in such stories.

I once quoted a passage from the Old Testament which portrays exactly my thought on this.

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

There is a specific time for everything, you can pray all you want for summer to come in december, it will NEVER happen. Pray all you want for Mahdi to come now, he won't. God knows best than we do, he doesn't change his major plans.

I asked this in the other thread but no one replied :

I have heard from various sources that shia muslims believe in a bloody revolution that would mark the end of most of the people of the world and after that a utopian perfect life under Mahdi in which there will be "peace" for eternity. What i don't understand is why does that eternal peace require a war that will kill most of the people on the planet ? Can't we achieve universal peace without war?

Open your eyes. What do you see ? Evil, blind, deaf and ignorant people who reject Truth and who commit sins. What do you do with them ? You kill them. Mahatma Gandhi wouln't be able to do sh1t against the antichrist by fasting for days and spreading non-violence.

If you are infected with a serious disease, do you expect to become healthy without killing the bad toxins/cells in your body ?

Thanks for the answer, but what can you do in anticipation of Mahdi's return?

To be able to answer this question, we would need to know what would be useful and needed at the time of Mahdi's return.

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Open your eyes. What do you see ? Evil, blind, deaf and ignorant people who reject Truth and who commit sins. What do you do with them ? You kill them. Mahatma Gandhi wouln't be able to do sh1t against the antichrist by fasting for days and spreading non-violence.

If you are infected with a serious disease, do you expect to become healthy without killing the bad toxins/cells in your body ?

Oh alright. People trying to live without money are insane and retarded, but killing billions of people to attain world peace is justifiable.

This will never happen, such a revolution. Keep dreaming because such kind of violence is impossible at first, and even if done would make the perpetrators worser off than Hitler or those who destroyed Japanese cities by atomic bombs.

The end does not justify the means. And pray tell us of the life under the rule of Mahdi? How will people live in that era? Wil there be rich and poor people ? Will his governance be democratic, socialist, capitalist, communist or what ? Tell us in detail as to why we need to kill billions of people to achieve such a Nirvana?

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Oh alright. People trying to live without money are insane and retarded, but killing billions of people to attain world peace is justifiable.

This will never happen, such a revolution. Keep dreaming because such kind of violence is impossible at first, and even if done would make the perpetrators worser off than Hitler or those who destroyed Japanese cities by atomic bombs.

The end does not justify the means. And pray tell us of the life under the rule of Mahdi? How will people live in that era? Wil there be rich and poor people ? Will his governance be democratic, socialist, capitalist, communist or what ? Tell us in detail as to why we need to kill billions of people to achieve such a Nirvana?

Those people living without money aren't insane and retarded, the idea that everyone should achieve the same lifestyle is insane and retarded.

You obviously have no clue at all about the conception of the end of times. What do you believe then, nothing will change and the world will stay that way ? Keep dreaming because such scenario is impossible, such is the law of life. Everything changes. You don't even seem to know a goddamn thing about hindu eschatology for someone whose nick is Mahatma and uses the word Nirvana. Time is cyclical. Everything renews itself.

The world doesn't need little powerless humans and their inventions to" renew" itself with atomic bombs. It is able to do so itself, why do you think earthquakes and natural disasters are increasing ? It is a sign of the end of times, pay attention, it is only a SIGN. The big thing didn't happen yet. 'WE' don't need to kill billions. Billions will die without anyone having to do with it. Read the apocalypse, a great city will be destroyed in one hour.

Read the Vedas and ask yourself how the ancient indians lost their technology. In fact, just stop reading about a single man living in a tent and read something that makes sense.

The life under Mahdi will be the Golden Age, he will distribute money to everyone and there will be no poor people. It won't have to be democratic socialist or some other [Edited Out] regime. Mahdi will be the supreme leader and judge, there will be justice everywhere.

Have fun changing the world by negotiating with deaf people.

You're on the wrong forum.

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Those people living without money aren't insane and retarded, the idea that everyone should achieve the same lifestyle is insane and retarded.

Nowhere is it claimed by anyone who lives moneyless to enforce it on others.

You obviously have no clue at all about the conception of the end of times. What do you believe then, nothing will change and the world will stay that way ?

Since ancient human history humans have bee talking about these end times. Latest date of the end times is 2012 *chuckles*. Last date for end times was Y2K.

Keep dreaming because such scenario is impossible, such is the law of life. Everything changes. You don't even seem to know a goddamn thing about hindu eschatology for someone whose nick is Mahatma and uses the word Nirvana. Time is cyclical. Everything renews itself.

The world doesn't need little powerless humans and their inventions to" renew" itself with atomic bombs. It is able to do so itself, why do you think earthquakes and natural disasters are increasing ?

No they are not. The world is the same as it was 1 million years ago, just a little more cooler. Global warming Global freezing are at most theories.

It is a sign of the end of times, pay attention, it is only a SIGN. The big thing didn't happen yet. 'WE' don't need to kill billions. Billions will die without anyone having to do with it. Read the apocalypse, a great city will be destroyed in one hour.

hahaha wow.

Read the Vedas and ask yourself how the ancient indians lost their technology. In fact, just stop reading about a single man living in a tent and read something that makes sense.

The Vedas DO NOT talk about outrageous science like UFOs and other extreme science fiction.

The life under Mahdi will be the Golden Age, he will distribute money to everyone and there will be no poor people. It won't have to be democratic socialist or some other [Edited Out] regime. Mahdi will be the supreme leader and judge, there will be justice everywhere.

Which currency of money will he distribute? Will it be paper money or credit plastic card money? Will it be gold or silver? Or what will it be? Or will he just simply abolish this money system and depend on something more advanced?

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The Vedas DO NOT talk about outrageous science like UFOs and other extreme science fiction.

The Rig Veda talks about flying vehicles called vimanas. That's just one example. Start reading plz. You're embarassing yourself everytime you post.

No they are not. The world is the same as it was 1 million years ago, just a little more cooler. Global warming Global freezing are at most theories.

Same as it was 1 million years ago, indeed. your brain is as mature as it was when you were born aswell

Since ancient human history humans have bee talking about these end times. Latest date of the end times is 2012 *chuckles*. Last date for end times was Y2K.

Yes and? Sooner or later it will happen. Y2K was not a serious end times predicted by anyone, it was merely a thing about numbers with the computers.

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The Rig Veda talks about flying vehicles called vimanas. That's just one example. Start reading plz. You're embarassing yourself everytime you post.

vimanas looked like

vimanas.jpg

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just because you say that something is embarrassing doesn't mean it is. and btw you should stop indulging in mindless UFO research.

Yes and? Sooner or later it will happen. Y2K was not a serious end times predicted by anyone, it was merely a thing about numbers with the computers.

Won't happen anytime soon.

And you conveniently ignored :

Which currency of money will he distribute? Will it be paper money or credit plastic card money? Will it be gold or silver? Or what will it be? Or will he just simply abolish this money system and depend on something more advanced?

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vimanas looked like

just because you say that something is embarrassing doesn't mean it is. and btw you should stop indulging in mindless UFO research.

hahahahahaha yes take an artistic picture, of course it was only 4 birds lifting something weighing tons. damn they were really advanced. please don't try to make it look like you know anything about the vedas. and Of course you know exactly thousands years later how vimanas looked like. This has nothing to do with UFO's, ancient indians weren't aliens as far as I know.

I Ignored your last question because I don't give a damn. Our Prophet didn't abolish money, and Mahdi won't either.

good bye

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hahahahahaha yes take an artistic picture, of course it was only 4 birds lifting something weighing tons. damn they were really advanced. please don't try to make it look like you know anything about the vedas. and Of course you know exactly thousands years later how vimanas looked like. This has nothing to do with UFO's, ancient indians weren't aliens as far as I know.

Correction : Elephants or horses used to carry humans in ancient india.

I Ignored your last question because I don't give a damn. Our Prophet didn't abolish money, and Mahdi won't either.

You don't give a damn because you don't have any response. Your Prophet didn't abolish slavery either. Does it mean that Mahdi will REVIVE slavery? If not then money may get abolished completely. You don't have to respond to me because frankly you seem to be another worshiper of money and the illusion of happiness that it seems to give to you so its a waste of time telling someone that aliens don't exist for example just like money doesn't.

Back to my questions for someone else :

I have heard from various sources that shia muslims believe in a bloody revolution that would mark the end of most of the people of the world and after that a utopian perfect life under Mahdi in which there will be "peace" for eternity. What i don't understand is why does that eternal peace require a war that will kill most of the people on the planet ? Can't we achieve universal peace without war?

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You don't give a damn because you don't have any response. Your Prophet didn't abolish slavery either. Does it mean that Mahdi will REVIVE slavery? If not then money may get abolished completely. You don't have to respond to me because frankly you seem to be another worshiper of money and the illusion of happiness that it seems to give to you so its a waste of time telling someone that aliens don't exist for example just like money doesn't.

he didn't because there is nothing wrong with slavery. The Quran permits it. Ofc im a worshipper of money yes yes more [Edited Out].

this isn't the right forum for you. go read some books before entering forums with common and shared views on certain matters.

go to www.imhappywithoutmoneyandimproudofit.com it will fit you

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To the OP: the two people that have been arguing in this thread i advise for you to ignore them. Both don't know what they are talking about :)

For everybody that wants to make a claim in this thread, make sure you have evidence to support it, and not just hearsay or your OWN justifications for why something is going to occur.

Maybe the OP should google literature on the imam (as), i'm sure you can find TONS online. I'm currently reading a book in arabic titled "al imam al mahdi wal yawm al maw3oud" by shaikh khalel rizk. That translates to "The imam Mahdi (as) and the promised day". It talks about the history leading up to his birth, his life time, afterwords, and nowadays what is expected of us. Anyhow there are many such book, try a search on www.al-islam.org you will probably find something.

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There are stories about everything and I don't believe in such stories.

I once quoted a passage from the Old Testament which portrays exactly my thought on this.

There is a specific time for everything, you can pray all you want for summer to come in december, it will NEVER happen. Pray all you want for Mahdi to come now, he won't. God knows best than we do, he doesn't change his major plans.

Open your eyes. What do you see ? Evil, blind, deaf and ignorant people who reject Truth and who commit sins. What do you do with them ? You kill them. Mahatma Gandhi wouln't be able to do sh1t against the antichrist by fasting for days and spreading non-violence.

If you are infected with a serious disease, do you expect to become healthy without killing the bad toxins/cells in your body ?

To be able to answer this question, we would need to know what would be useful and needed at the time of Mahdi's return.

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu 'alaikum. Quite seriously, the following has occurred more than once during the 1970's in New York (City).

There is a specific time for everything, you can pray all you want for summer to come in december, it will NEVER happen. Pray all you want for Mahdi to come now, he won't. God knows best than we do, he doesn't change his major plans.

Wassalaam. Faithfully999

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