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(salam)

I just encountered the following website,

http://www.*******.org/hadiths/marriage/risalat-al-muta---shaykh-mufid

and read all of the hadiths.

It seems to me that Muta is recommended and indeed Mustahab, if one could do it. But one shouldn't insist on it.

So, I have a few questions.

1) If it is mustahab, why not insist on it?

2) Why is it mustahab? doesn't it in a way encourage sexual desires, which in turn may weaken the discipline of the soul?

3) It is permitted to do muta (have intercourse) with thousand women?

4) are all the hadiths in the above website sahih? or hasan?

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More questions,

5) if it is indeed recommended, why is there such cultural negativity attached to it?

6) Does the formula have to be said in Arabic? If no, then does the translation have to be identical to the Arabic? or is it sufficient to just be very clear about the period and the dowry?

I will try to post all of my muta-related question in this one thread.

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(salam)

I just encountered the following website,

http://www.*******.org/hadiths/marriage/risalat-al-muta---shaykh-mufid

and read all of the hadiths.

It seems to me that Muta is recommended and indeed Mustahab, if one could do it. But one shouldn't insist on it.

So, I have a few questions.

1) If it is mustahab, why not insist on it?

who says don't insist on it? Mustahab means you should insist on its ligitimacy and the bst way to insist on the ligitimacy of something is to practice it as the prophet said " whoever amongst you saw an evil let them change it with their hand and if they can not then with their toungue......."

2) Why is it mustahab? doesn't it in a way encourage sexual desires, which in turn may weaken the discipline of the soul?

Because god knows that majority of people are weak and they fornicate or do other sexual sins so he wants to leave them with absolutely no excuse by giving them many easy hallal options.

He also knows that people will forbid the lawful and forbid the mut3a and also knows that people's evil will create poverty and create cultures that make permanent marriage very difficult and force the nation into fornication and buggery and other ugly things. So he knows the society's desperate need for mut3a instead of the corruption that they are on now therefore he orders that: practicing this act and enforcing its legitimacy through practice is Mustahab.

encouraging the sexual desire doesn't weaken the soul... one of the attributes of the prophets is the love of women and sex with women.

god encourages hallal relationships.

actually staying without marriage will make you psychologically sick and will encourage your sexual desire to control you and force you to evil like the priests...

do you think if the priests followed the lifestyle of the prophets and took multiple wives as prophet Jacob and many other prophet5s did then do you think they would have gotten to a stage where they allow two gay priests to marry eachother in a church?

forbidding any lawful is catastrophic... our society forbade early marriage and mut3a and multiple marriage and even permenant marriage they put a million barriers therefore god cursed us and we are now scum. absolute scum just like qawm lut... gays everywhere,,, even in hawza ,,, fornication widespread and so on

3) It is permitted to do muta (have intercourse) with thousand women?

the meaning of this hadeeth is that there is no number limit on mut3a i can giev you an example

you say how many apples am i religiously allowed to eat??

answer: eat a million if you want...

this means the number is not limited but israaf (wasting) is haraam

4) are all the hadiths in the above website sahih? or hasan?

could be right could be wrong

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Salam,

Sorry I did not have the time to check the website out. However here are some quick answers to your questions:

1) If it is mustahab, why not insist on it?

Yes it is mustahab if the alternate is commiting sins. And no it does not mean that you must have this type of a relationship atleast once in your life time.

2) Why is it mustahab? doesn't it in a way encourage sexual desires, which in turn may weaken the discipline of the soul?

Allah (s.w.t) covers all the different angles of sexual necessities of every human being in the world. Permenant marriage is not a solution for everyone. Thus is an alternate for those who can not marry permanently.

Encouraging sexual desires and weakening the discipline of the soul are not related. Sexuality is good, its just an act. If done in the halal way, it is good for you. if done in the haram way, its bad for you.

3) It is permitted to do muta (have intercourse) with thousand women?

I think this is more of a limitness of the act allowable. much like, eat 1000 mangoes if you want.

4) are all the hadiths in the above website sahih? or hasan?

sorry didnt check the website, cant comment.

5) if it is indeed recommended, why is there such cultural negativity attached to it?

There have been people who have abused the law, plus there are those people who just "talk". Result people refrain from it.

for example: lets say you move in new to a country and you have a communication problem. Teacher asks a quesiton in class and you raise your hand to answer it. You miss understood the question and said something different and the other student started laughing at you. Though in context, you did not say anything wrong as you were answering a different question, but the students laughed. now you are damaged psychologically and the next time teacher asks a question... you refrain from answering it even though you know you have right answer, just to avoid the other students from laughing at you.

6) Does the formula have to be said in Arabic? If no, then does the translation have to be identical to the Arabic? or is it sufficient to just be very clear about the period and the dowry?

Yes the formula needs to be read in arabic

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1) If it is mustahab, why not insist on it?

It's best not to become overly obsessed on it, but in itself it is a good thing and recommended as such.

2) Why is it mustahab? doesn't it in a way encourage sexual desires, which in turn may weaken the discipline of the soul?

Notice how many of them speak of reviving the Sunna by it? That should answer at least part of the first question. As to the second, who said that sexuality weakens the soul?? The Prophet (pbuh) was a man who loved women as were the Imams (as). Such an idea of sexual desire going against spirituality is a Buddhist concept, not at all an Islamic one.

3) It is permitted to do muta (have intercourse) with thousand women?

Sure, if you have such available to you. If you do, hats off to ya :P

4) are all the hadiths in the above website sahih? or hasan?

I have not verified all of their isnad, but I don't see anything that strikes me as false. Evidently al-Mufid (ar) would have considered them correct to have included them.

5) if it is indeed recommended, why is there such cultural negativity attached to it?

Because people often prefer their cultural prejudices to what Allah has ordained for us.

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MacIssac, aren't there hadith which condemn people that become fixated with mutah and overuse it? I recall reading a couple of hadith stating something similar on this very website. Would appreciate it if you could clear up my confusion about this.

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Thank you for the replies.

I was under the impression that the formula could be recited in any language.

I was not aware that it has to be said in Arabic.

Is there a consensus that it has to be said in Arabic only?

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salaam souroush

There are some scholars who allow it to be read in other languages...

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salaam souroush

There are some scholars who allow it to be read in other languages...

Thank you brother.

Could you please name these scholars?

(salam)

More questions...

7) A child born in a Muta marriage is considered legitimate, correct?

8) If so, does the child have the same rights, as a child who is born in a permanent marriage?

9) If there are differences in the rights of a child born in Muta and the child born in permanent marriage, what happens when the parents of the child, choose to transform their marriage from temporary to permanent? Will the child suddenly gain new rights?

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Thank you brother.

Could you please name these scholars?

(salam)

More questions...

7) A child born in a Muta marriage is considered legitimate, correct?

8) If so, does the child have the same rights, as a child who is born in a permanent marriage?

9) If there are differences in the rights of a child born in Muta and the child born in permanent marriage, what happens when the parents of the child, choose to transform their marriage from temporary to permanent? Will the child suddenly gain new rights?

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[salam to brothers and sisters.

I have a question re mutaa.

I found out my husband was having an affair on the internet. I read some of the emails and he asked her to be his temporary wife before speaking about very intermit things. She agreed.

What I am trying to say is, how can Mutaa be halal and is mustahab, If your husband and wife find out that their partner is doing this behind their back.

It gives the man more power , when his wife finds out he just has to say this is halal.

Ok fair enough, but what happens to our relationship. We have 3 young girls and i no longer has any trust in my husband at all.

Do you believe it have been nearly 1 year since i caught him and i am close to severe depression.

I am very sad about this because I feel i can not speak to anyone who is muslim as I am feared their answer will be, "hey your husband did nothing wrong". I feel like my marriage has suffered tremendously . I have become so paranoid , that everytime he is on the computer, everytime he leaves the house, i think he is doing something.

Please someone respond to me, as i am devestated , My husband says it was harmless fun but also says islamically he did nothing wrong, and if he chooses tommorow to marry another wife i have no say.

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Salaam:

Anyone?

About which scholars allow the formula to be read in other languages I need to revise the books to tell you...

Your questions:

7) A child born in a Muta marriage is considered legitimate, correct?

yes

8) If so, does the child have the same rights, as a child who is born in a permanent marriage?

Yes

9) If there are differences in the rights of a child born in Muta and the child born in permanent marriage, what happens when the parents of the child, choose to transform their marriage from temporary to permanent? Will the child suddenly gain new rights?

as far as I know the difference is for the couple only not for the children. As far as children are concerned the rights are the same whether they are mut3a or permanent marriage children,

here i will copy paste some thing i wrote about the rights within temporary marriage.... maybe some parts of it is relevant :

If you prefer the Arabic language then inform me and i will paste the Arabic version of the same thing.

1) About the rights the difference is that there is no compulsory nafaqah (maintainance)for the mut3ah wife

2)The mut3a wife doesn't have the "1 out of every 4 nights right" that a permanent wife has..

3) she doesn't inherit her husband as far as I remember but this doesn't mean that their kid doesn't inherit or doesn't qualify for nafaqah... the kid both Inherits his parents and qualifies for Nafaqah.

4) a temporary marriage just like a permanent one can only be contracted with a single female.

5) The Muslim man is allowed to contract temporary marriage with the muslims and the people of the book (the Unitarians) but not with polytheists.

6) The maximum time for temporary marriage can not exceed the expected lifetime of the people i.e. maximum 99 years

7) the temporary marriage doesn't End by termination or divorce but expires after a set due date.

8) the period could be forgiven earlier than the expiry date upon the agreement of the husband and wife.

9) its compulsory to agree about a dowry of a tangible value and a time period for the marriage otherwise if not specified it would be a permanent marriage.

10) Just like permanent marriage after the expiry of the temporary contract the woman needs to observe An Iddah if the marriage was consummated and the Iddah for temporary marriage is two cycles or 45 days in other cases. (with permanent marriage and divorce it is 3 cycles)

11) temporary marriage just like permanent makes Tahreem (prohibition) this means if a man married a woman even for 1 minute then her mother becomes prohibited on him forever and the same with the father of the husband he would be forbidden on the mut3ah wife forever. ( So mut3ah is a much better method for prohibition than the breastfeeding the adult method which the sunnies prescribe,

As a live example a friend of mine prohibited his wife on me by marrying me to his daughter by mut3a for a few minutes... I dont see or talk to his daughter but we used the temporary marriage for prohibition which made his wife like my mother cause I visited them too much )

12) other applications of temporary marriage, it could be applied instead of the haraam engagements that take place all over the world which last for years without any marriage contracts and in many times result in fornication and other ugly acts.

13) as for the Issue of the marriage formula and the witnesses you might hear alot of rumors but i will tell you the real story: in the Shia school of thought All types of marriages Do not require any witnesses, and Divorce Requires two just male witnesses or one male and Two female witnesses., in the sunnie school its the exact opposite, Divorce Requires no witnesses and Marriage requires 2 witnesses.

14) In comparison to Misyar,Mysyaf,Misbar, Misfar and Zawaj urfi and Zawaj friend the temporary marriage is the most merciful cause its the prescription of god not the human. All the other man made bid3ahs have faults. example is mut3a doesn't include the deception which is prescribed in misyar, in misyar the husband is not allowed to tell the wife of his future intention to divorce her and then suddenly he uses divorce to terminate the permanent contract.

The other type of misyar which is used for polygyny is the one where the husband puts a condition that the wife gives up her right to the nafaqah... under the shia school of thought putting a condition that disables the permanent wife's right to the compulsory nafaqah is regarded an Invalid condition.

comparing with Zawaj urfi where secrecy is used the temporary marriage and permanent marriage are both encouraged to be announced not secret.

comparing with other man made temporary marriages in mut3ah the clear time of contract is stated and there are no surprises or deceptions.

15) the unique thing about the mut3ah marriage is that its the only marriage that is mentioned in the quraan and the sunnah and all these new names like misyar and misbar and misyaf and urfe and friend could not be found in the quraan or the sunnah.

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[salam to brothers and sisters.

I have a question re mutaa.

I found out my husband was having an affair on the internet. I read some of the emails and he asked her to be his temporary wife before speaking about very intermit things. She agreed.

What I am trying to say is, how can Mutaa be halal and is mustahab, If your husband and wife find out that their partner is doing this behind their back.

It gives the man more power , when his wife finds out he just has to say this is halal.

Ok fair enough, but what happens to our relationship. We have 3 young girls and i no longer has any trust in my husband at all.

Do you believe it have been nearly 1 year since i caught him and i am close to severe depression.

I am very sad about this because I feel i can not speak to anyone who is muslim as I am feared their answer will be, "hey your husband did nothing wrong". I feel like my marriage has suffered tremendously . I have become so paranoid , that everytime he is on the computer, everytime he leaves the house, i think he is doing something.

Please someone respond to me, as i am devestated , My husband says it was harmless fun but also says islamically he did nothing wrong, and if he chooses tommorow to marry another wife i have no say.

yes Islamicly he did nothing wrong and if you oppose then Islamicly you are doing a sin because its his god given right and the jealousy of the female is described as kufr by Imam Ali In Nahjulbalagha.

you have absolutely no say in his marriage to some one else because that is a matter between other people ( him and his other wife) and if you prevent him from m marriage and he falls into sin then you will bear a share of the sin.

If he has a need for second wife then by Islam he is obligated to seek marriage and is wajib on him. if anyone prevents him from the wajib then its just like preventing some one from praying.

if your marriage is suffering then you are the reason for that because you are rejecting the law of god and if you insist on rejecting god's law then you will be digging your own grave by challenging god.

majority of the prophets and imams had multiple wives and their wives did not wreck the family just because they got new wives.

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Forgot to add to the above –

Part of taking care of yourself, is to make sure that all monies earned by you or given to you as gifts are housed in bank account in your name only, as all monies accrued by you are for your choice of use.

Leave this money in case you need it.

Allah will protect you. Practice the rights given to you.

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(salam) brother Alimohamad

Thank you for your reply.

The following caught my eyes.

"The Muslim man is allowed to contract temporary marriage with the muslims and the people of the book (the Unitarians) but not with polytheists."

I don't remember reading anywhere the distinction between Unitarian Christians and Trinitarian Christians.

The Christians during the era of our prophet (pbuh) were Trinitarian, and though Quran condemns the trinity, it still acknowledges them as "the people of the book."

Could you please let me know how you arrive at such conclusion? or where in Islamic traditions/texts such distinction with regard to Muta is made?

Thank you

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Salaam:

yes Islamicly he did nothing wrong and if you oppose then Islamicly you are doing a sin because its his god given right and the jealousy of the female is described as kufr by Imam Ali In Nahjulbalagha.

you have absolutely no say in his marriage to some one else because that is a matter between other people ( him and his other wife) and if you prevent him from m marriage and he falls into sin then you will bear a share of the sin.

If he has a need for second wife then by Islam he is obligated to seek marriage and is wajib on him. if anyone prevents him from the wajib then its just like preventing some one from praying.

if your marriage is suffering then you are the reason for that because you are rejecting the law of god and if you insist on rejecting god's law then you will be digging your own grave by challenging god.

majority of the prophets and imams had multiple wives and their wives did not wreck the family just because they got new wives.

Men jus CAN'T relate to it from a womans point of view...!!!

I am aware that Our Prophet (pbuh) and Our Imam (as) had several wives....but did they not stick to jus the 1 when they were married to Bibi Khadija sa and Bibi Fatima sa....??....

Women want their husbands to be faithful and be satisfied with them....and at times it does feel like double standards...

If youve got a wife whos husband isnt providing the necessary intimacy she doesnt have that privilege to go elsewhere...... unless its through a divorce....

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However, Islamically, he can have a different mutah every hour – and if this is where he wants to put his energies – it is his choice. If he is providing housing, clothing and food for you and his children, as he should, he is doing all that is minimally required of him. As for the impact of his actions, only time will tell...it is his road to travel.

Hi maryam,

I dont have much knowledge about muta, and i would like to learn more about this but it just seems so wrong for a guy to

engage in temporary marriage every other day or hour if he wants to.

Does the same rule apply for women?

I mean how can this be islamicaly right, I understand that if theres one thing a women can't bare, its when she

finds out her husband has found someone else or is sexually engaged with another female, especially

when you have been married to this guy for the longest time and have 3 children.

I would just ask for a divorce if I found out my potential-husband was engaged in muta. Unless

someone can really convince me right now why muta is allowed.

Thanks

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(salam) brother Alimohamad

Thank you for your reply.

The following caught my eyes.

"The Muslim man is allowed to contract temporary marriage with the muslims and the people of the book (the Unitarians) but not with polytheists."

I don't remember reading anywhere the distinction between Unitarian Christians and Trinitarian Christians.

The Christians during the era of our prophet (pbuh) were Trinitarian, and though Quran condemns the trinity, it still acknowledges them as "the people of the book."

Could you please let me know how you arrive at such conclusion? or where in Islamic traditions/texts such distinction with regard to Muta is made?

Thank you

you are absolutely right i didn't mean to make a distinction between Unitarians and Triniterian Christians.. ahlulkitab is both of them and the rule is applicable to ahlulkitab which includes both.

I call them Unitarian because god asked us to call them that even though they have diverted off UNITY by introducing Trinity. but they are still called monotheistic because their bible clearly states the idea of ONE GOD

Even the muslims contradict Unity in many issues but we still call them monothestic

For example the Sunnies shape god and the Shias give the prophet and the infallibles the attributes of god (like controlling every atom in the existence) .... But they are still considered monotheistic people who are falling into problems which are hopefully fixable.

regarding which scholar allows the formula to be read in other language , as far as I remember one of them is Fadallah but do not Quote me on that...

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Hi maryam,

I dont have much knowledge about muta, and i would like to learn more about this but it just seems so wrong for a guy to

engage in temporary marriage every other day or hour if he wants to.

Does the same rule apply for women?

I mean how can this be islamicaly right, I understand that if theres one thing a women can't bare, its when she

finds out her husband has found someone else or is sexually engaged with another female, especially

when you have been married to this guy for the longest time and have 3 children.

I would just ask for a divorce if I found out my potential-husband was engaged in muta. Unless

someone can really convince me right now why muta is allowed.

Thanks

no one can convince you because you made your mind already...

to convince you we must ask your religion... what religion are you?

If you say Muslim following the shia school of thought then based on the shia school of thought its allowed and encouraged....

If you say why? the answer will be a long story,,, but i am ready to give you answers if your willing to be logical and discuss with logic and evidence rather than emotions and personal opinions.

remember what Imam Ali said in Nahjulbalagha "the jealousy of the female is Kufr and the jealousy of the male is Emaan" so women who cant bear their husband marrying again fall under the KUFR category because they are rejecting god's law.

god knows what the man needs and what the woman needs.

salaam

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Hi maryam,

I dont have much knowledge about muta, and i would like to learn more about this but it just seems so wrong for a guy to

engage in temporary marriage every other day or hour if he wants to.

Does the same rule apply for women?

I mean how can this be islamicaly right, I understand that if theres one thing a women can't bare, its when she

finds out her husband has found someone else or is sexually engaged with another female, especially

when you have been married to this guy for the longest time and have 3 children.

I would just ask for a divorce if I found out my potential-husband was engaged in muta. Unless

someone can really convince me right now why muta is allowed.

Thanks

Salam Janat

We are OT on this thread - so this will be my last post here.

There are many threads on here about mutah – so feel free to spend your day reading them :)

Mutah is halal and for men and women. It is halal for a woman, if she is not already married – and observes idaah.

It is halal for a man to have as many mutah as he wants, at any time. Some men interpret halal = wajib, and spend more time aggressively defending their “rights” than nurturing promising relationships and marriages... As I said before – this is their choice and their road to travel.

However, all behaviours, halal or not, have a consequence.

I don’t know if your husband is in need or not – but from what you said, he doesn’t appear to be concerned about how this hurts your relationship and family (Big red flag). I would also be concerned about what else he is up to as sexual behaviour escalates. It is your right to be concerned and kept informed, as you need to protect yourself against diseases he may bring home....and any woman that would freely engage in quickie mutah, has probably had her own share of relationships and hence the probability increases.

Men can become addicted or go for the next level of thrill. As long as this is shrouded in mutah – it is perfectly halal – but is not necessarily healthy. He may find it fun now, but as indicated by some men on this forum, it can be an empty way of life.

Talking to strange women on the internet that progresses to a level of intimacy that requires mutah, takes up hours of your time that could be devoted to his daughters, who will quickly grow up and be gone and to his wife, who had chosen to support and to love him through the good and the bad, for now and in their long future together.

Yes, you can ask for a divorce – it is better if you put in your marriage contract about the right to divorce if he takes another wife – but you can still do it. Having said that, I know that it would be difficult for a woman with three children to make it on her own; sometimes it is better to remain (at least for the time being) and refocus your life and re-evaluate your relationship with your husband.

I was trying to help you take your energy of sadness, despair and paranoia and turn it 180 degrees into something positive for yourself and for your girls. Your emotional well being needs to be sufficiently separated from him so that his behaviours do not negatively impact you. You have no choice over what he does ...but lots of choices over your quality of life and you can make it productive and happy – mentally, physically and financially.

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Salam Janat

We are OT on this thread - so this will be my last post here.

There are many threads on here about mutah – so feel free to spend your day reading them :)

Mutah is halal and for men and women. It is halal for a woman, if she is not already married – and observes idaah.

It is halal for a man to have as many mutah as he wants, at any time. Some men interpret halal = wajib, and spend more time aggressively defending their “rights” than nurturing promising relationships and marriages... As I said before – this is their choice and their road to travel.

However, all behaviours, halal or not, have a consequence.

I don’t know if your husband is in need or not – but from what you said, he doesn’t appear to be concerned about how this hurts your relationship and family (Big red flag). I would also be concerned about what else he is up to as sexual behaviour escalates. It is your right to be concerned and kept informed, as you need to protect yourself against diseases he may bring home....and any woman that would freely engage in quickie mutah, has probably had her own share of relationships and hence the probability increases.

Men can become addicted or go for the next level of thrill. As long as this is shrouded in mutah – it is perfectly halal – but is not necessarily healthy. He may find it fun now, but as indicated by some men on this forum, it can be an empty way of life.

Talking to strange women on the internet that progresses to a level of intimacy that requires mutah, takes up hours of your time that could be devoted to his daughters, who will quickly grow up and be gone and to his wife, who had chosen to support and to love him through the good and the bad, for now and in their long future together.

Yes, you can ask for a divorce – it is better if you put in your marriage contract about the right to divorce if he takes another wife – but you can still do it. Having said that, I know that it would be difficult for a woman with three children to make it on her own; sometimes it is better to remain (at least for the time being) and refocus your life and re-evaluate your relationship with your husband.

I was trying to help you take your energy of sadness, despair and paranoia and turn it 180 degrees into something positive for yourself and for your girls. Your emotional well being needs to be sufficiently separated from him so that his behaviours do not negatively impact you. You have no choice over what he does ...but lots of choices over your quality of life and you can make it productive and happy – mentally, physically and financially.

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Hi

This is to Maryam

Thankyou so much for your extremely kind and thoughtful words, I honestly took them into deep consideration and am trying to apply as much of them as I possibly can.

It is so different seeing a females reaction to mutah compared to a male.

for example that guy who had his say that "if my marriage fails its my fault" . What a loser, god help him with his wife !!!!!!!!!

Yes mutah is halal, but till now noone has evidance of consequences if the partner does find out. Keeping in mind it is halal to do this behind the partners back.

Okay what are the consquences when things are found out. If there is nothing wrong with this , why not have it out in the open, why all this secrecy.???

I believe that the shia men have taken full advantage of this law, and if they have no problem engaging in mutah every hour, don't put your family through this torment.

I will find it so hard to teach my girls that hey if when you marry you find out your husband is engaging in mutah this is completely normal, just go ahead your daily lives.

I want to know one woman who has absolutely no problem with her husband doing mutah. Give me one women who is living a happy and trusting relationship after knowing what her husband is doing.

And to all you guys whos reply to me was get over it , it is all your fault. tell me, if your sister was married and this happened to her, are you telling me you would not at all feel upset for her or disappointed with her husband.

Your pathetic if you think this is not going to have a massive impact on her life.

Imagine walking down the street with your husband and there are women with whom he is having a relationship with pass you by, are you telling me this is not morally wrong??????????

If your husband leaves home for mutah, he is taking that time away from his current wife and his current children.

SO to all the males that take part in mutah i will not say good luck!!!!

You know I once met a girl who told me that this guy who used to fix her computer , asked her a say this phrase in arabic , she said it and then they had a sexual relationship. This was while his wife was home with the kids , thinking that her husband was working. That is sick.

This girl that was doing the mutah with the guy, fully new his wife and said she was gorgeus and a very sweet person. I asked her "how could you do this ". Her response was hey sex came to me , why turn it down".

I could go on for hours about how negative this is. but guys will never think with their heads and the consequences, they will only think in the moment and if it feels good , well what the hell why not!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It is so different seeing a females reaction to mutah compared to a male.

for example that guy who had his say that "if my marriage fails its my fault" . What a loser, god help him with his wife !!!!!!!!!

I will find it so hard to teach my girls that hey if when you marry you find out your husband is engaging in mutah this is completely normal, just go ahead your daily lives.

I want to know one woman who has absolutely no problem with her husband doing mutah. Give me one women who is living a happy and trusting relationship after knowing what her husband is doing.

Your pathetic if you think this is not going to have a massive impact on her life.

Imagine walking down the street with your husband and there are women with whom he is having a relationship with pass you by, are you telling me this is not morally wrong??????????

the prophets and imams were wrong for having more than one wife? and God makes the morally wrong acts ligitimate in his religion?

which religion do you follow?

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We are not saying the prophets and imams are wrong.

What we're saying is that alot of men take advantage of mutah, and mostly do it because of lust and they just simply want more sex.

I dont think thats right. Especially, it would have a really bad impact of the mans family and children.

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This is to Maryam

Thankyou so much for your extremely kind and thoughtful words, I honestly took them into deep consideration and am trying to apply as much of them as I possibly can.

It is so different seeing a females reaction to mutah compared to a male.

for example that guy who had his say that "if my marriage fails its my fault" . What a loser, god help him with his wife !!!!!!!!!

Yes mutah is halal, but till now noone has evidance of consequences if the partner does find out. Keeping in mind it is halal to do this behind the partners back.

Okay what are the consquences when things are found out. If there is nothing wrong with this , why not have it out in the open, why all this secrecy.???

I believe that the shia men have taken full advantage of this law, and if they have no problem engaging in mutah every hour, don't put your family through this torment.

I will find it so hard to teach my girls that hey if when you marry you find out your husband is engaging in mutah this is completely normal, just go ahead your daily lives.

I want to know one woman who has absolutely no problem with her husband doing mutah. Give me one women who is living a happy and trusting relationship after knowing what her husband is doing.

And to all you guys whos reply to me was get over it , it is all your fault. tell me, if your sister was married and this happened to her, are you telling me you would not at all feel upset for her or disappointed with her husband.

Your pathetic if you think this is not going to have a massive impact on her life.

Imagine walking down the street with your husband and there are women with whom he is having a relationship with pass you by, are you telling me this is not morally wrong??????????

If your husband leaves home for mutah, he is taking that time away from his current wife and his current children.

SO to all the males that take part in mutah i will not say good luck!!!!

You know I once met a girl who told me that this guy who used to fix her computer , asked her a say this phrase in arabic , she said it and then they had a sexual relationship. This was while his wife was home with the kids , thinking that her husband was working. That is sick.

This girl that was doing the mutah with the guy, fully new his wife and said she was gorgeus and a very sweet person. I asked her "how could you do this ". Her response was hey sex came to me , why turn it down".

I could go on for hours about how negative this is. but guys will never think with their heads and the consequences, they will only think in the moment and if it feels good , well what the hell why not!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello, that would be me :)

Took a long time to get to this stage, from being completely opposed to the idea of sharing my husband, wanting him to be completely mine, to accepting that when i am not there there is no problem in satisfying his desires. Actually i encourage it.

If that makes me some weird freakish female then so be it :)

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We are not saying the prophets and imams are wrong.

What we're saying is that alot of men take advantage of mutah, and mostly do it because of lust and they just simply want more sex.

I dont think thats right. Especially, it would have a really bad impact of the mans family and children.

you are directly implying that they are bad when you attack their lifestyle and say that its an immoral lifestyle...

there is nothing wrong with "more sex" its one of the traits of the prophets as the hadeeth mentions. It protects many women from forincation and from becoming public property and keep the man clean and away from forincation and pornography and masturbation, homosexuality and other sexual corruptions which are a cancer in our societies today.

your saying alot of men do it for lust? of course part of marriage is lust what about the first wife don't they marry her for lust ? how come lust is only mentioned when its mut3ah or second marriage? lust doesn't take place in first marriage ?

Spot and Jannat read the following words from our imams:

Imam as-Sadiq (as) said: "Indeed, Allah the Exalted and Glorified has not given [or allowed] possessiveness to woman. Evil woman are possessive, and believing [mu'min] woman are not. However, Allah the Exalted and Glorified has given [or allowed] possessiveness to men, because it is allowed for a man to have up to four wives or his slave girls, whereas a woman is only allowed her husband. Therefore, if she desires another husband along side of him, then she is a fornicator before Allah."

Wasa'il ash-Shi'a, vol. 20, p. 152-157.

Imam Ali (as) says: "Jealousy of the women is kufr, and Jealousy of the men is faith."

Nahj al-Balagah, saying 122- 123

Imam Ar-Rida (as) said: "Three things are from the sunnah of the Messengers: Perfume, trimming the hair, and many wives."

Wasa'il ash-Shi'a, vol. 20, p. 152-157.

Imam Ar-Rida (as) said: "In the white rooster there are five traits from the traits of the Prophets: Knowledge of the prayer times, jealousy, generosity, bravery, and many wives."

Wasa'il ash-Shi'a, vol. 20, p. 152-157.

Imam as-Sadiq (as) said: "No possessiveness is allowed except to men. Possessiveness from women is jealousy, and possessiveness is just for men. This is because a woman is only allowed a single man, whereas men are allowed four wives, and Allah is too generous that he would allow for them jealousy, while it is halal for a man to have three wives other than her."

Wasa'il ash-Shi'a, vol. 20, p. 152-157.

Imam al-Baqir (as) said: "Possessiveness from woman is jealousy, and jealousy is the root of kufr. Indeed women, if they are possessive, will become angry, and if they become angry they will disbelieve. This is so for other than the Muslims from amongst woman."

Wasa'il ash-Shi'a, vol. 20, p. 152-157.

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You mean casual mutah anytime he is out of the house is OK? By encourage, you mean to find the partners? women know how to find these women better.

my wife looks for a second wife for me and she got me married twice before but didnt successfully continue... there are many women who are Islamic. I mean look at the wives of the Imams.

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^ Let me tell you something. A man has a lot more important things to worry about a lot of the time than satisfying his already satisfied desires. In the case where the man is never satisfied and he needs to have mutah every time he is out of the house (everyday?) then that becomes difficult for him because the number of females out there that are also looking for mutah is limited.. and even if there is a lot of females, how is one to find them? The process of finding a female who is willing to engage in mutah is very difficult and time consuming, so if he is out looking for different types of sex partners so that he can have "variety" then he is most probably, IF he finds one girl, going to have to constantly engage with mutah with only her as well, which won't really be helpful for what he wants.

Now as for my husband personally, he is the type of man that finds it extremely difficult to get attracted to/engage in intercourse with a women whom he doesn't have love/admiration/respect for, so he says he would rather just wait for me to be with him rather than engage in mutah, HOWEVER he has my full permission and encouragement to go out and engage in it, as much as he wants, if he feels like he needs it and can't abstain anymore.

In the case where i am with him and he still wants to do mutah, obviously i would let him he if wanted to, but my husband and i have a very open, honest, trusting and loving relationship, that is why we can talk about and agree on these things to begin with, so if in this situation he wanted it we would first sit down and have a conversation about what the reasons are for him desiring to engage in it to begin with, is it something that is lacking in our own relationship that we can work on/fix? Talking and coming down to the bottom of the desire will either bring us to a solution to the problem with us or an agreement that he should engage in it in order for the problem to go away.

Anyway the best way to live a happy life is to accept Allah swt's laws psychologically, not just using your tongue, convince yourself that this is halal for a reason, you don't want to be like aisha who got upset when the prophet wanted to marry again, but like his other wonderful wives who went looking for a wife for him.

It is VERY difficult erasing the already embedded mindset that society forces you to believe, polygamy is bad, your husband should love only you and care for only you, he is only allowed to remarry if there is a very good reason, etc. But when you tell yourself you want to better yourself and come to terms with Allah swts laws it honestly completely sets your free, makes you feel better about yourself and make your relationship all the more stronger.

Instead of making a fight with your husband and being angry and threatening divorce, pouting etc, why don't you sit down and have an honest talk with him about why he is doing what he is doing, what he hopes to get out of it, what he feels is missing in your relationship, etc. This might fix many problems in your relationship and bring you closer together, trust me you wont regret it.

And finally lol, if my mother or any other close female relatives of mine saw that this is my opinion they would go crazy :D lol cuz they are still all about "womens rights" "your husband is scum if he marrys another" etc.

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^ Let me tell you something. A man has a lot more important things to worry about a lot of the time than satisfying his already satisfied desires. In the case where the man is never satisfied and he needs to have mutah every time he is out of the house (everyday?) then that becomes difficult for him because the number of females out there that are also looking for mutah is limited.. and even if there is a lot of females, how is one to find them? The process of finding a female who is willing to engage in mutah is very difficult and time consuming, so if he is out looking for different types of sex partners so that he can have "variety" then he is most probably, IF he finds one girl, going to have to constantly engage with mutah with only her as well, which won't really be helpful for what he wants.

Now as for my husband personally, he is the type of man that finds it extremely difficult to get attracted to/engage in intercourse with a women whom he doesn't have love/admiration/respect for, so he says he would rather just wait for me to be with him rather than engage in mutah, HOWEVER he has my full permission and encouragement to go out and engage in it, as much as he wants, if he feels like he needs it and can't abstain anymore.

In the case where i am with him and he still wants to do mutah, obviously i would let him he if wanted to, but my husband and i have a very open, honest, trusting and loving relationship, that is why we can talk about and agree on these things to begin with, so if in this situation he wanted it we would first sit down and have a conversation about what the reasons are for him desiring to engage in it to begin with, is it something that is lacking in our own relationship that we can work on/fix? Talking and coming down to the bottom of the desire will either bring us to a solution to the problem with us or an agreement that he should engage in it in order for the problem to go away.

Anyway the best way to live a happy life is to accept Allah swt's laws psychologically, not just using your tongue, convince yourself that this is halal for a reason, you don't want to be like aisha who got upset when the prophet wanted to marry again, but like his other wonderful wives who went looking for a wife for him.

It is VERY difficult erasing the already embedded mindset that society forces you to believe, polygamy is bad, your husband should love only you and care for only you, he is only allowed to remarry if there is a very good reason, etc. But when you tell yourself you want to better yourself and come to terms with Allah swts laws it honestly completely sets your free, makes you feel better about yourself and make your relationship all the more stronger.

Instead of making a fight with your husband and being angry and threatening divorce, pouting etc, why don't you sit down and have an honest talk with him about why he is doing what he is doing, what he hopes to get out of it, what he feels is missing in your relationship, etc. This might fix many problems in your relationship and bring you closer together, trust me you wont regret it.

And finally lol, if my mother or any other close female relatives of mine saw that this is my opinion they would go crazy :D lol cuz they are still all about "womens rights" "your husband is scum if he marrys another" etc.

RESPECT!

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i dont get it. so if you want to have intercourse with another woman, go straight ahead, Isnt it only if you cant control your desires. So, you can just, at 16 rs old, go find GIRL ON THE STREET and do this? This cant be encouraged can it?

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