Why Are Dogs Nijis?

[Shia4life1]

From what I read, a dog in all parts is nijis. What I didn't read, or even find is why? I understand why a pig is nijis, it eats it's own feces and enjoys watching other pigs mate. A dog leads the blind, fights crime, and is mans best friend. Depending on what kind of dog you own, it may also lay its life on the line for you. Your input is greatly appreciated. Please be kind and respectful and do not let your fear of K9's influence your thinking. Salamat! B)

[Infrarot2]

From what I read, a dog in all parts is nijis. What I didn't read, or even find is why? I understand why a pig is nijis, it eats it's own feces and enjoys watching other pigs mate. A dog leads the blind, fights crime, and is mans best friend. Depending on what kind of dog you own, it may also lay its life on the line for you. Your input is greatly appreciated. Please be kind and respectful and do not let your fear of K9's influence your thinking. Salamat! B)

(salam)

These are acts you are describing, and doesn't change the cleanliness of the animals, dogs still lick their butt, genitals, things from the ground and then go on to lick you, your clothes, that is najes.

[Your-Best-Friend]

How Allah SWT created Dogs:

When Hazrat Adam AS sent to the Earth from Paradise, shaytan LA gathered all dangerous animals and told them that there was a good meal (Hazrat Adam AS) for you. Shaytan LA took all that animals to Hazrat Adam AS to scare/eat him. While shaytan LA was taking these animals to him, spit was coming out from this mouth. From that spit, Allah SWT created two dogs to guard Hazrat Adam AS. But as the dog created from the spit of shaytan LA, that’s why it is Najis/Impure.

Reference: Ilal-us-Sharaey by Sheikh Sadooq RA

[lion]

^ :lol: you believe what you just said?

[lion]

heres a real question:

why did Allah swt speak about the RIGHTOUS PEOPLE OF THE CAVE WITH THEIR DOG? they had a dog, why would Allah swt make such a point if its a negative one?

Edited October 13, 2009 by lion

[gogiison2]

From what I read, a dog in all parts is nijis. What I didn't read, or even find is why? I understand why a pig is nijis, it eats it's own feces and enjoys watching other pigs mate.

other animals may eat their own feces as well. how do you know if pigs enjoy watching other pigs while mating or even it is with their own 'partner' are you sure no other permissible-to-eat animals do this?

heres a real question:

why did Allah swt speak about the RIGHTOUS PEOPLE OF THE CAVE WITH THEIR DOG? they had a dog, why would Allah swt make such a point if its a negative one?

bring the verse please. then iA we can discuss it. dogs are said to be allowed for certain situations such as hunting, herding cattle etc. this doesn't mean you keep them in your housing quarters and that they aren't najis. there are special ways of handling them.

[aliadams]

Why did Allah swt speak about the RIGHTOUS PEOPLE OF THE CAVE WITH THEIR DOG? they had a dog, why would Allah swt make such a point if its a negative one?

I found this while googling:

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‘Some lovers of the West in Muslim countries claim to be full of love and compassion for all living creatures and they wonder why Islam warns against this "best friend" of man. For their benefit, we quote here a lengthy excerpt from an article by the German scientist, Dr. Gerard Finstimer, (translated from the German magazine: Kosinos) in which the author sheds light on the dangers to human health, resulting from keeping dogs or coming in contact with them. He says:

‘The increasing interest shown by many people in recent times in keeping dogs as pets has compelled us to draw public attention to the dangers, which result from this, especially because pet dogs are hugged and kissed and permitted to lick the hands of the young and the old, and what is worse, to lick the plates and utensils, which are used by human beings for eating and drinking.

Besides being unhygienic and uncouth, this practice is bad manners and abhorrent to good taste. However, we are not concerned with such matters, leaving them to be addressed by teachers of etiquette and good taste. Rather this article is intended to present some scientific observations.

From the medical point of view, which is our main concern here, the hazards to human health and life from keeping and playing with dogs are not to be ignored. Many people have paid a high price for their ignorance, as the tapeworm carried by dogs is a cause of chronic disease, sometimes resulting in death.

This worm is found in man, in cattle, and in pigs. But it is found in fully developed form only in dogs, wolves and rarely in cats. These worms differ from others in that they are minute and invisible, consequently, they were not discovered until very recently.’

So, dear sister, in light of all these facts, I want to sum it up. You don’t need to worried about keeping your dog (within the necessities sanctioned by Islam, i.e. for protection or taken as watch dog) as long as you know the rights you owe it and as long as you know that your love for your dog must not affect your religious duties. I want to emphasise here that all that you have heard or what is cited above does not indicate that dogs are rendered an impure animal. But my advice to you is not to get too much in contact with it, keeping in mind all the above-mentioned problems.

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RE: http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996015602&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam%2FAskAboutIslamE%2FAskAboutIslamE

Ali

[guest 34193]

Read these to understand why our fuqaha say the dog is najis:

http://www.*******.org/hadiths/tahara/dogs-and-pigs

As to the "why" of the reason beyond the proof of the law itself, though we would believe there is a reason for the laws, one shouldn't engage in speculation and guesswork.

[aliadams]

I have found a good reasoning here:

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<H5 class=comment_info>dayaasir@yahoo.com.sg said on Mar 05, 2009.... </H5>To say anything is Halaal or Haraam you have to find it from Qur'an and Sunnah. If not please do not say it's Haraam or Halaal. Make sure you know what you are talking about. Islam is not about this imam said this and that imam said that. Last and final prophet did not come for that. Dogs are very useful animal for some people such as blind people, hunters, cops....God created every living things for some purpose. Some animals are haraam to eat some are haraam to touch some are haraam to keep in the house, all for your good. But what is haraam and halaal is clear. Now when it's come to dogs i have not come across any qur'an verse or strong hadith that support the claims. Okay when its come to having a dog as a pet i would stay away from it, thats if you are muslim unless if you really need it as help. reason, dogs are territorial animal do you know how they mark the territories? by pissing in places, well have them in your house and it will piss in different places in your house. if you see a dog in need of help as a muslim and as a human you must help. if you could help and if you dont help that dog, you will be questioned in the day of judgement for sure. treat every creatures (yes including pigs) in this world as you would be treated .

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RE: http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/39546/Muslim-can't-touch-dogs-or-only-wet-dogs%3F

Ali

[gogiison2]

I have found a good reasoning here:

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<H5 class=comment_info>dayaasir@yahoo.com.sg said on Mar 05, 2009.... </H5>To say anything is Halaal or Haraam you have to find it from Qur'an and Sunnah. If not please do not say it's Haraam or Halaal. Make sure you know what you are talking about. Islam is not about this imam said this and that imam said that. Last and final prophet did not come for that. Dogs are very useful animal for some people such as blind people, hunters, cops....God created every living things for some purpose. Some animals are haraam to eat some are haraam to touch some are haraam to keep in the house, all for your good. But what is haraam and halaal is clear. Now when it's come to dogs i have not come across any qur'an verse or strong hadith that support the claims. Okay when its come to having a dog as a pet i would stay away from it, thats if you are muslim unless if you really need it as help. reason, dogs are territorial animal do you know how they mark the territories? by pissing in places, well have them in your house and it will piss in different places in your house. if you see a dog in need of help as a muslim and as a human you must help. if you could help and if you dont help that dog, you will be questioned in the day of judgement for sure. treat every creatures (yes including pigs) in this world as you would be treated .

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RE: http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/39546/Muslim-can't-touch-dogs-or-only-wet-dogs%3F

Ali

urinate is a much better word to use than the word used above. anywhow, dogs can be trained to not urinate in homes.

[Irishman]

I have found a good reasoning here:

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<H5 class=comment_info>dayaasir@yahoo.com.sg said on Mar 05, 2009.... </H5>To say anything is Halaal or Haraam you have to find it from Qur'an and Sunnah. If not please do not say it's Haraam or Halaal. Make sure you know what you are talking about. Islam is not about this imam said this and that imam said that. Last and final prophet did not come for that. Dogs are very useful animal for some people such as blind people, hunters, cops....God created every living things for some purpose. Some animals are haraam to eat some are haraam to touch some are haraam to keep in the house, all for your good. But what is haraam and halaal is clear. Now when it's come to dogs i have not come across any qur'an verse or strong hadith that support the claims. Okay when its come to having a dog as a pet i would stay away from it, thats if you are muslim unless if you really need it as help. reason, dogs are territorial animal do you know how they mark the territories? by pissing in places, well have them in your house and it will piss in different places in your house. if you see a dog in need of help as a muslim and as a human you must help. if you could help and if you dont help that dog, you will be questioned in the day of judgement for sure. treat every creatures (yes including pigs) in this world as you would be treated .

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RE: http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/39546/Muslim-can't-touch-dogs-or-only-wet-dogs%3F

Ali

I had a dog when I was younger, and it never urinated in the house, and did not need to be trained not to urinate in the house.

Edited October 13, 2009 by Irishman

[SayYaAli]

Ours not to question why.

It is possible that along with their friendly natures they unfortunately are also bearers of diseases such as rabies. Today it isn't such a big deal, but this used to be terribly dangerous. More dangerous than rabies in other animals as dogs are incredibly clingy. Maybe the ruling not to let them live in the same house as people is related to that.

Possibly.

Having said that, so what? There's no ruling agianst loving dogs. All you have to remember is to wash after touching them. You can keep them in a kennel outside the house.

[Irishman]

Ours not to question why.

It is possible that along with their friendly natures they unfortunately are also bearers of diseases such as rabies. Today it isn't such a big deal, but this used to be terribly dangerous. More dangerous than rabies in other animals as dogs are incredibly clingy. Maybe the ruling not to let them live in the same house as people is related to that.

Possibly.

Having said that, so what? There's no ruling agianst loving dogs. All you have to remember is to wash after touching them. You can keep them in a kennel outside the house.

I dont think dogs should live in the house, we had a doberman pinscher, and we had a large enclosed back garden and that is where his kennel was where he slept. During the day, the back door to the house was open and he could wander around certain parts of the house, and at nights occasionally, he would be on a mat in the lounge when we were watching tv. But at bedtime, it was back out to his kennel.

[Shia4life1]

B) OK EVERYBODY PUT YOUR THINKING CAPS ON!

So I guess I am dealing with a tough crowd. You guys are not answering the question. One person says because they lick their butts? So do cats? Cats lick them selves all over and that is one of the reasons they are refered to as clean animals. From what I read a dog licks its wounds because its saliva can fight off bacteria. Another person said that they bear rabbies, so do foxes, squirrels, birds, etc. That doesn't make them nijis. They are not bearers of disease. When was the last time you seen a dog give someone HIV. Humans are bearers of disease from the flu to AIDS, does that make them nijis? The guy who said dogs are territorial has his facts wrong. Its actually the cat that leaves it mark and territory in houses. Dog respects the house and its family members. And the man who wanted the ayah of Ahlul-Kahif and their dog, I don't no if other permissible to eat animals enjoy eatching each other mate. Perhaps that was a bad support but the Quran tells us that forbidden to us is the pig, not the dog. Also you said dogs are allowed for hunting, and I recall that is in the Quran, however if I were to take a dog hunting, how will it bring back what I hunted? With its mouth? So now I have to wash my food 7 times with water and once with mudd?

[Shia4life1]

Oh and for the admin, I did check out that site, all it says is 3an 3an 3an 3an 3an that doesnt help me. How do I know who these people are and why are they speaking on the behalf of others? Christianity is full of according 2's. I need solid statements. (salam)

[Yasoob Al Deen]

Assalam alaykum.

Why are dogs najis? Hmmmm, how to answer this question........

Because the scholars said so.

What is the thing that makes them najis? I don't know. Does our ignorance of such a matter invalidate what the scholars ruled? No.

[AbdullaQ]

Assalam alaykum.

Why are dogs najis? Hmmmm, how to answer this question........

Because the scholars said so.

What is the thing that makes them najis? I don't know. Does our ignorance of such a matter invalidate what the scholars ruled? No.

Well Said.

They are najis. I dont need a reason to SEE they are dirty animals.

[Irishman]

If a Muslim person is blind, do they use a guide dog?. Is the dog kept in the house?

[Slave of Aima (as)]

If a dog was so Nijis, why and how was it associated with the people of the cave? why will a dog enter into pardise?

[lion]

Well Said.

They are najis. I dont need a reason to SEE they are dirty animals.

Brother, dirtiness has never been used as a reason for najasa

dirtiness is associated with a strong immune system :Hijabi:

Edited October 14, 2009 by lion

[Slave of Aima (as)]

sorry you lost me there, It doesnt answer my Question?... :)

[gogiison2]

B) OK EVERYBODY PUT YOUR THINKING CAPS ON!

So I guess I am dealing with a tough crowd. You guys are not answering the question. One person says because they lick their butts? So do cats? Cats lick them selves all over and that is one of the reasons they are refered to as clean animals. From what I read a dog licks its wounds because its saliva can fight off bacteria. Another person said that they bear rabbies, so do foxes, squirrels, birds, etc. That doesn't make them nijis. They are not bearers of disease. When was the last time you seen a dog give someone HIV. Humans are bearers of disease from the flu to AIDS, does that make them nijis? The guy who said dogs are territorial has his facts wrong. Its actually the cat that leaves it mark and territory in houses. Dog respects the house and its family members. And the man who wanted the ayah of Ahlul-Kahif and their dog, I don't no if other permissible to eat animals enjoy eatching each other mate. Perhaps that was a bad support but the Quran tells us that forbidden to us is the pig, not the dog. Also you said dogs are allowed for hunting, and I recall that is in the Quran, however if I were to take a dog hunting, how will it bring back what I hunted? With its mouth? So now I have to wash my food 7 times with water and once with mudd?

you say forbidden is the pig and not the dog according to Quran. so will you eat dog? what about feces? are they halaal for you to eat?

as for the washing of the food, there are certain rules that we follow. i'm not too sure of all the ahadith on hunting dogs, but most likely none of us here on shiachat will be needing to do this so it's not too big a deal for me or even the majority of us if not all.

Edited October 14, 2009 by gogiison2

[thepeacemaker]

Interesting take on this topic by a Sunni scholar:

http://www.scholarofthehouse.org/dinistrandna.html

“Dogs in the Islamic Tradition and Nature”

Encyclopedia of Religion and Nature, s.v. “Dogs in the Islamic Tradition and Nature.” New York: Continuum International, forthcoming 2004.

By: Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl

Islamic discourses on the nature, and function of dogs are representative of a range of tensions regarding the roles of history, mythology, rationality, and modernity in Islam. In fact, the debates surrounding the avowed impurity of dogs, and the lawfulness of possessing or living with these animals were one of the main issues symbolizing the challenging dynamic between the revealed religious law, and the state of creation or nature. In addition, certain aspects of these debates pertained to the power dynamics of patriarchy, and more generally, the construction of social attitudes towards marginal elements in society.

In a fashion similar to European medieval folklore, black dogs, in particular, were viewed ominously in the Islamic tradition.[1] According to one tradition attributed to Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam, black dogs are evil, or even devils, in animal form.[2] Although this report did reflect a part of pre-Islamic Arab mythology, it had a limited impact upon Islamic law. The vast majority of Muslim jurists considered this particular tradition to be falsely attributed to the Prophet, and therefore, apocryphal. Nevertheless, much of the Islamic discourse focused on a Prophetic report instructing that if a dog, regardless of the color, licks a container, the container must be washed seven times, with the sprinkling of dust[3] in one of the washings. Different versions of the same report specify that the container be washed once, three, or five times, or omit the reference to the sprinkling of dust. The essential point conveyed in these reports is that dogs are impure animals, or, at least, that their saliva is a contaminant that voids a Muslim’s ritual purity. Hostility to dogs, not just as a source of physical but moral impurity, are further expressed in Prophetic reports claiming that angels, as God’s agents of mercy and absolution, will not enter a home that has a dog,[4] or that the company of dogs voids a portion of a Muslim’s good deeds.[5] Cultural biases against dogs as a source of moral danger reach an extreme point in reports that claim that Prophet commanded Muslims not trade or deal in dogs,[6] and even to slaughter all dogs, except for those used in herding, farming, or hunting.[7]

These various anti-dogs reports expressed culturally engrained social anxieties about aspects of nature that were seen as threatening or unpredictable. In addition, discourses on dogs played a symbolic role in the attempts of pre-modern societies to explore the boundaries that differentiated human beings from animals. In that sense, the debates about dogs acted as a forum for negotiating not just the nature of dogs but also the nature of human beings. This is most apparent in traditions that create a symbolic nexus between marginalized elements in society, such as non-Muslims or women, and dogs. In some such traditions, it is claimed that the Prophet said that dogs, donkeys, women, and in some versions non-Muslims, if they pass in front of men in prayer, they will void or nullify that prayer.[8] Interestingly, early Muslim authorities, such as the Prophet’s wife Aisha, strongly protested this symbolic association between dogs and women because of its demeaning implications for women. As a result, most Muslim jurists ruled that this tradition is not authentic, and that the crossing of women in front of men does not negate their prayers.[9]

Despite the attribution to the Prophet of a large number of traditions hostile to dogs, for a variety of reasons, many pre-modern Muslim scholars challenged this orientation. The Qur’an, the divine book of Islam, does not condemn dogs as impure or evil. In addition, a large number of early reports, probably reflecting historical practice, contradicted the dog-hostile traditions. For instance, several reports indicated that the Prophet’s young cousins, and some of the companions owned puppies.[10] Other reports indicated that the Prophet prayed while a dog played in the vicinity.[11] In addition, there is considerable historical evidence that dogs roamed freely in Medina and even entered the Prophet’s mosque.[12] A particularly interesting tradition attributed to the Prophet asserted that a prostitute, and in some versions, a sinning man, secured their places in Heaven by saving the life of a dog dying of thirst in the desert.[13]

Most jurists rejected the traditions mandating the killing of dogs as fabrications because, they reasoned, such behavior would be wasteful of life. These jurists argued that there is a presumption prohibiting the destruction of nature, and mandating the honoring of all creation. Any part of creation or nature cannot be needlessly destroyed, and no life can be taken without compelling cause.[14] For the vast majority of jurists, since the consumption of dogs was strictly prohibited in Islam, there was no reason to slaughter dogs. Aside from the issue of killing dogs, Muslim jurists disagreed on the permissibility of owning dogs. A large number of jurists allowed the ownership of dogs for the purpose of serving human needs, such as herding, farming, hunting, or protection. They also prohibited the ownership of dogs for frivolous reasons, such as enjoying their appearance or out a desire to show off.[15] Some scholars rationalized this determination by arguing that dogs endanger the safety of neighbors and travelers.[16] For the majority of jurists, however, the pertinent issue was not whether it was lawful to own dogs, but the avowed impurity of dogs. The majority contended that the pivotal issue is whether the bodies and saliva of dogs are pure or not. If dogs are in fact impure then they cannot be owned unless there is a serious need for doing so.[17]

As to the issue of purity, the main point of contention was as to whether there is a rational basis for the command to wash a container if touched or licked by a dog.[18] The majority of jurists held that there is no rational basis for this command, and that dogs, like pigs, must be considered impure simply as a matter of deference to the religious text. A sizeable number of jurists, however, disagreed with this position. Jurists, particularly from the Maliki school of thought, argued that everything found in nature is presumed to be pure unless proven otherwise, either through experience or text.[19] Ruling that the traditions mentioned above are not of sufficient reliability or authenticity so as to overcome the presumption of purity, they argued that dogs are pure animals. Accordingly, they maintained that dogs do not void a Muslim’s prayer or ritual purity.[20] Other jurists argued that the command mandating that a vessel be washed a number of times was intended as a precautionary health measure. These jurists argued that the Prophet’s tradition on this issue was intended to apply only to dogs at risk of being infected by the rabies virus. Hence, if a dog is not a possible carrier of rabies, it is presumed to be pure.[21] A small number of jurists carried this logic further in arguing that rural dogs are pure, while urban dogs are impure because urban dogs often consume human garbage.[22] Another group of jurists argued that the purity of dogs turn on their domesticity—domestic dogs are considered pure because human beings feed and clean them, while dogs that live in the wild or on the streets of a city could be carriers of disease, and therefore, they are considered impure.[23] It is clear from the evolution of these discourses that as nature became more susceptible to rational understanding, complex and potentially dangerous creatures, such as dogs, became less threatening for Muslim jurists.

Aside from the legal discourses, dogs occupied an elusive position in Muslim culture. On the one hand, in Arabic literature dogs were often portrayed as a symbol of highly esteemed virtues such as self-sacrifice and loyalty. For example, Ibn Al-Marzuban wrote a fascinating treatise titled, The Book of the Superiority of Dogs Over Many of Those Who Wear Clothes, which contrasts the loyalty and faithfulness of dogs to the treachery and fickleness of human beings. Dogs were also widely used for protection, sheep herding, and hunting. On the other hand, dogs were often portrayed as an oppressive instrument in the hands of despotic and unjust rulers. Similar to the medieval European practice, in the pre-modern Middle East region, as an expression of contempt or deprecation, at times dogs were hung or buried with the corpses of dissidents or rebels.[24] Furthermore, in popular culture, unlike cats, dogs were considered filthy or impure animals that ought not share the living space of the pious or religiously observant. This cultural anti-dog prejudice survived into modern times, and as a result, the ownership of dogs continues to be socially frowned upon. In the contemporary Muslim world, dog ownership is common only among Bedouins, law enforcement, and the Westernized higher classes. As a matter of fact, it is rather striking that, to a very large extent, modern Muslims are unaware of the pre-modern juristic determinations that vindicated the purity of dogs. Nevertheless, this in itself is a measure of the ambiguous fortunes of the dynamics between Islamic law and nature in modernity. In the pre-modern age, Islamic law evolved in near proportion to the advances achieved in the human knowledge of nature. But as the institutions of Islamic law were deconstructed by European Colonialism, and with the rise of puritanical movements in contemporary Islam, Islamic jurisprudence has ceased to be a forum for creative thinking or dynamic interactions with the vastness of nature.

[1] Barbara Allen Woods, The Devil in Dog Form: A Partial Type-Index of Devil Legends, vol. 11 of Folklore Studies (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1959), 33.

[2] Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Musnad al-Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, ed. Samir al-Majzub (Beirut: Maktab al-Islami, 1993), 5:194, 197.

[3] Abu Zakariyya Yahya al-Nawawi, Sharh Sahih Muslim, 3rd ed. (Beirut: Dar al-Ma‘rifa, 1996), 3-4:174-5 ; Ahmad Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani, Fath al-Bari bi Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, ed. Muhibb al-Din al-Khatib, 3rd ed. (Cairo: al-Maktaba al-Salafiyya, 1407 AH), 1:331 ; Shams al-Din al-Sarakhsi, Kitab al-Mabsut (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-‘Ilmiyya, 1993), 1-2:48.

[4] Muhammad ‘Abd al-Rahman al-Mubarakafuri, Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi bi Sharh Jami‘ al-Tirmidhi (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-‘Ilimiyya, n.d.), 8:72-73.

[5] Malik Ibn Anas, al-Muwatta’ (Egypt: al-Babi al-Halabi, n.d.), 2:969.

[6] Ahmad Ibn Shu‘ayb al-Nisa’i, Sunan al-Nisa’i (Beirut: Dar al-Kitab al-‘Arabi, n.d.), 7: 309 (The commentaries by al-Suyuti and al-Sanadi are in the margins). Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani, Fath al-Bari, 4:426.

[7] Al-Nawawi, Sahih Muslim, 3-4:176, 9-10:479; Abu Bakr Muhammad Ibn al-‘Arabi, Ahkam al-Qur’an (Beirut: Dar al-Ma‘ruf, n.d.), 2:545-546; Muhammad Ibn ‘Ali al-Shawkani, Nayl al-Awtar Sharh Muntaqa al-Akhbar (Cairo: Dar al-Hadith, n.d.), 1-2:38; Abu ‘Abd Allah Muhammad al-Qurtubi, al-Jami‘ li Ahkam al-Qur’an (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-‘Ilmiyya, 1993), 3:44; Abu Bakr Ahmad al-Jassas, Ahkam al-Qur’an (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-‘Ilmiyya, n.d.), 2:393; Muhammad Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, Tafsir al-Tabari min Kitabihi Jami‘ al-Bayan ‘an Ta’wil ‘Ayat al-Qur’an, eds. Bashshar ‘Awad Ma‘ruf and Faris al-Harastani (Beirut: Mu’assasat al-Risala, 1994), 3:21, 523-524.

[8] Al-Nawawi, Sahih Muslim, 3-4:450-1; Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Musnad, 5:194, 197, 202, 208; Abu Bakr Ibn al-‘Arabi, ‘Aridat al-Ahwadhi bi Sharh Sahih al-Tirmidhi (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-‘Ilmiyya, n.d.), 1:133.

[9] See discussion in Khaled Abou El Fadl, Speaking in God’s Name: Islamic Law, Authority, and Women (Oxford: Oneworld Press, 2001), 226-8.

[10] al-Mubarakafuri, Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi, 8:74; Al-Nawawi, Sahih Muslim, 9-10:478, 480, 483.

[11] Al-Nawawi, Sahih Muslim, 3-4:465.

[12] Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani, Fath al-Bari, 1:334.

[13] Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani, Fath al-Bari, 1:333.

[14] Ibn al-‘Arabi, ‘Aridat al-Ahwadhi, 1:133-4; al-Nawawi, Sahih al-Muslim, 3-4:177, 9-10:479, 13:78; al-Qurtubi, al-Jami‘, 3:44; al-Shawkani, Nayl al-Awtar, 1-2:38.

[15] Al-Nawawi, Sahih Muslim, 3-4:176-7.

[16] Al-Nawawi, Sahih Muslim, 9-10:482.

[17] Muhammad Ibn Ahmad Ibn Rushd II, Bidayat al-Mujtahid wa Nihayat al-Muqtasid, (Beirut: al-Kutub al-‘Ilmiyya, 1997), 1:34-5; Taqi al-Din Ahmad Ibn Taymiyya, Majmu‘ Fatawa, ed. Muhammad ‘Abd al-Rahman Ibn Qasim, 2nd ed. (Riyadh: np, n.d.), 21:619-20.

[18] Sahnun Ibn Sa‘id, al-Mudawwana al-Kubra (Egypt: Matba‘at al-Sa‘ada, n.d.), 1:5; Ibn Rushd II, Bidayat, 1:33-4; Abu Bakr Ibn Mas‘ud al-Kasani, Bada’i‘ al-Sana’i‘ fi Tartib al-Shara’i‘ (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-‘Ilimiyya, 1997), 1:375, 415.

[19] Ahmad Ibn Muhammad al-Dardir, al-Sharh al-Saghir ‘ala Aqrab al-Masalik (the commentary of Ahmad al-Sawi is in the margins) (Cairo: Mustafa al-Babi, 1952), 1:18.

[20] Khayr al-Din al-Munif, al-Fatawa al-Khayriyya li Naf‘ al-Bariyya (Cairo: Dar al-Ma‘rifa, n.d.), 2:15; Abu Muhammad ‘Abd Allah Ibn Ahmad Ibn Muúammad Ibn Qudama, al-Mughni (Beirut: Dar Ihya’ al-Turath al-‘Arabi, n.d.), 1:46; ‘Ali Ibn Ahmad Ibn Hazm, Al-Muhalla bi al-Athar (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-‘Ilmiyya, n.d.), 1:120-2; Shihab al-Din Ibn Idris al-Qarafi, al-Dhakhira (Beirut: Dar al-Gharb al-Islami, 1994), 1:181-2; Zayn al-Din Ibn Muhammad Ibn Nujaym, al-Bahr al-Ra’iq Sharh Kanz al-Daqa’iq (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-‘Ilmiyya, 1997), 1:225.

[21] Abu Walid Muhammad Ibn Ahmad Ibn Rushd I, al-Muqaddimat al-Mumahhidat, ed. Muhammad Hajji (Beirut: Dar al-Gharb al-Islami, 1988), 1:90-2.

[22] Ibn al-‘Arabi, ‘Aridat, 1-2:138; Ibn Rushd II, Bidayat, 1:36.

[23] Ibn Rushd I, al-Muqaddimat, 1:87-9; Ibn Rushd II, Bidayat, 1:35; Ibn al-‘Arabi, ‘Aridat, 1-2:134-7.

[24] Khaled Abou El Fadl, Rebellion and Violence in Islamic Law (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2001), 53-7.

[Shia4life1]

Googison or whatever your name is, I know your type ;) , the type that start asking illogical questions and perspire stupidity when cornored. Did I say its Halal to eat feces? What kind of idiot are you. Did I even say I was going to eat a dog? As for washing the hunt you don't know anything so please refrain from speaking. Don't be ignorant if, something doesn't concern you don't interfere. You are not compeled by some third party power to post your thought. What kind of Muslim do you think you are? If the Prophet lived the way you think Islam would be doomed. Just because something doesn't concern the majority (who the hell are you to decide who the majority are) you think it shouldn't even be a "big deal" :mad: . According to that belief, Shia Islam doesn't even matter when it comes to Islamic principles because we are not the majority. We should just let the Sunni's decide for us. Let them decide who is the caliphates, yeah right. Bro you got to think before you speak. I am sure the Prophet wouldn't shun me down like you did simply because my question didn't concern the majority. Here take your two cents back. B) *

*I hope my message does not offend anyone nor do I get kicked off the site because I enjoy discussions. However when someone lets ignorance get in the way of a logical discussion then that is worse than cursing ( to me that is). If I were to call someone stupid, its differnt than someone trying to send you a subliminal message to eat feces. No matter how professional it sounds its wrong. As always (salam)

[gogiison2]

Googison or whatever your name is, I know your type ;) , the type that start asking illogical questions and perspire stupidity when cornored. Did I say its Halal to eat feces? What kind of idiot are you. Did I even say I was going to eat a dog? As for washing the hunt you don't know anything so please refrain from speaking. Don't be ignorant if, something doesn't concern you don't interfere. You are not compeled by some third party power to post your thought. What kind of Muslim do you think you are? If the Prophet lived the way you think Islam would be doomed. Just because something doesn't concern the majority (who the hell are you to decide who the majority are) you think it shouldn't even be a "big deal" :mad: . According to that belief, Shia Islam doesn't even matter when it comes to Islamic principles because we are not the majority. We should just let the Sunni's decide for us. Let them decide who is the caliphates, yeah right. Bro you got to think before you speak. I am sure the Prophet wouldn't shun me down like you did simply because my question didn't concern the majority. Here take your two cents back. B) *

*I hope my message does not offend anyone nor do I get kicked off the site because I enjoy discussions. However when someone lets ignorance get in the way of a logical discussion then that is worse than cursing ( to me that is). If I were to call someone stupid, its differnt than someone trying to send you a subliminal message to eat feces. No matter how professional it sounds its wrong. As always (salam)

salaamunalaykum wr wb..

before you let your emotions take over and lose sabr i request you to just answer what i ask. there is a reason why i ask what i ask. do you even know how the Prophet lived? i see you don't ever reply to anything else i say and if you have objection i encourage you to speak but not only opinions, bring evidence with Quran, ahadith, and logic in the mix. i am used to hearing people complain and take the easy way out and calling me a quack and having no knowledge and blah blah etc etc. and you say you know my type? fine..but alhumdulillah i think any educated person knows the types that replies the way you just did without any substantiated proofs and no reasonings and just speaking seemingly to create fitna. check Quran 2:191,217. there is a difference between you and i, but i will not say what it is. i'll let those who want to understand understand, and for those people, i dont need to tell them they'd already know. look at the way you talk and i think that'll suffice for the time being for those who didn't catch what i'm saying.

as for your talking about caliphate and majority i dont know what you want to know. basically i am recommending that one doesnt confuse himself with these things that wont affect us as much as fundamental issues in islam which i think you'd need from reading your postings.

EDIT: i ask these questions to see how your brain works. if you continue to have problems with me please let me know and reply accordingly at the time and dont save up and explode on me all at once lol.

Edited October 15, 2009 by gogiison2

[Calm]

If a Muslim person is blind, do they use a guide dog?. Is the dog kept in the house?

A Muslim can keep a dog inside the house even if he/she is not blind. Being a Najis creature does not mean being a bad one or you cannot have them in doors. You just have to wash/make Tahir whatever they make Najis. As long as the dog is dry, it does not make anything Najis unless than thing is wet itself. So Najassa transfers with wetness.

If a dog was so Nijis, why and how was it associated with the people of the cave? why will a dog enter into pardise?

Again, being Najis has nothing to do with being isolated/people should not associate with them. You can have a dog just make sure to make Tahir whatever it makes najis. I can have a pig inside my house too. No Islamic jurisprudence told you to dislike dogs or not to have them inside your place. It has to do with people's preferences -like Irishman is not a Muslim but he rather keep the dog sleeping in a kettel.

To the OP: Yes dogs are useful for blind people, to have a guard, a friend whatever, what does this have to do with it being Najis?..Without blood we die right? Blood is najis too so being useful does not contradict being Najis.

[gogiison2]

i was watching on tv some blind hijabi girl in the US i think it was, keeps a miniature horse for aid. i think they said she lived in california, not sure though, and they're trying to pass laws that will make it tough for her to keep the horse since she uses it like on public transportation and such. may Allah help those who strive iA.

[Shia4life1]

Now we are talking. I had to "explode" on you because you were not being logical or fair. You went from saying that if a subject doesn't concern the majority than who cares, to now talking nicely and asking for Quranic references and Hadiths. I respect how you self reflected and quickly adapted. However since your first approach was wrong don't try to cover up and say "oh us intelligent people know who you are" because you really don't. Your just trying to imply that I'am some bipolar, dog breeding, sinner. Don't be fooled. Quick story a man once went to a majlis and he was kicked out because he was not exactly an angel. He went home and played a majlis to himself in his basement. The very next day those in charge of the majlis came and appologized. Imam Hussain (a.s) visted them in their dream and told them to appologize to the man for their indeed garbage level display of respect. Imam Hussain (a.s) also visited the man who was refused entry and appologized to him. Point being is when your wrong in your actions your wrong. Don't try to cover up. Please don't say I am causing fitna because I am not. If I wanted to stir fitna I can easily start making up quotes and lines and what not. I asked a simple question, Why are dogs nijis? "Stupid Islamic Laws:Dog=Najasah!"<--- That my friend is fitna. I am simply responding to fire with fire. I am not exactly on your train of thought nor do I see where you are going with Surah 2 verses 191 and 217.

*You want Quranic references and Hadiths from me? Hello I am not the one making a statement I am the one asking the questions, so it you that needs to show me Quranic references and hadiths. Salam habibi.

You said you ask me questions to see how my brain works. So you ask me "Is it halal to eat feces?" "Is it Halal to eat a dog" Based on these questions I know you really dont know what you are saying. The question is simple, Why are dogs nijis? I can bet my life you would of answered those for me the way I was going to answer them. You are just asking to run around the bush. Please save your self the trouble and just stop posting. If you don't know you don't know.

[gogiison2]

Now we are talking. I had to "explode" on you because you were not being logical or fair. You went from saying that if a subject doesn't concern the majority than who cares, to now talking nicely and asking for Quranic references and Hadiths. I respect how you self reflected and quickly adapted. However since your first approach was wrong don't try to cover up and say "oh us intelligent people know who you are" because you really don't. Your just trying to imply that I'am some bipolar, dog breeding, sinner. Don't be fooled. Quick story a man once went to a majlis and he was kicked out because he was not exactly an angel. He went home and played a majlis to himself in his basement. The very next day those in charge of the majlis came and appologized. Imam Hussain (a.s) visted them in their dream and told them to appologize to the man for their indeed garbage level display of respect. Imam Hussain (a.s) also visited the man who was refused entry and appologized to him. Point being is when your wrong in your actions your wrong. Don't try to cover up. Please don't say I am causing fitna because I am not. If I wanted to stir fitna I can easily start making up quotes and lines and what not. I asked a simple question, Why are dogs nijis? "Stupid Islamic Laws:Dog=Najasah!"<--- That my friend is fitna. I am simply responding to fire with fire. I am not exactly on your train of thought nor do I see where you are going with Surah 2 verses 191 and 217.

*You want Quranic references and Hadiths from me? Hello I am not the one making a statement I am the one asking the questions, so it you that needs to show me Quranic references and hadiths. Salam habibi.

You said you ask me questions to see how my brain works. So you ask me "Is it halal to eat feces?" "Is it Halal to eat a dog" Based on these questions I know you really dont know what you are saying. The question is simple, Why are dogs nijis? I can bet my life you would of answered those for me the way I was going to answer them. You are just asking to run around the bush. Please save your self the trouble and just stop posting. If you don't know you don't know.

it's reported Imam al-Sadiq (as) was asked about eloquence. He answered: Eloquence is to express the idea in as few as possible words. The eloquent is that who attains his demand in the least effort.

too bad you can't answer my questions. like i say, your welcome to object to any of my postings on shiachat and iA we'll be able to see who knows what. in the tradition of Imam Husayn above, was the guy asked questions and in turn not answer them? did he speak like you spoke to me? i don't think you can compare yourself to him.

iA we can proceed when you're able to answer my questions, if not, then i don't want to seesaw with you and your opinions.

Edited October 16, 2009 by gogiison2

[Shia4life1]

Wa Salam, Imam Musa al-Kadhim (as) peace be upon him said:“Conversation with learned men on a dunghill is better than conversation with ignorant leaning on pillow and on carpet.” That being said I can honestly say I would rather be on a hill of dung than to converse with you. If you don't want to sea saw then leave the park. Wait a minute, did you just compare our discussion to playing? I see where your coming from now. After you can answer "Why are dogs nijis" will play tag after. For the hundredth time I am not here to answer your questions, I have my own answers that I am on a quest for. If its killing you to know if dogs are halal or if its halal to eat feces, grab the nearest mirrior, look deep into the eyes of the reflection you see and ask that question. Salam!

[gogiison2]

Wa Salam, Imam Musa al-Kadhim (as) peace be upon him said:“Conversation with learned men on a dunghill is better than conversation with ignorant leaning on pillow and on carpet.” That being said I can honestly say I would rather be on a hill of dung than to converse with you. If you don't want to sea saw then leave the park. Wait a minute, did you just compare our discussion to playing? I see where your coming from now. After you can answer "Why are dogs nijis" will play tag after. For the hundredth time I am not here to answer your questions, I have my own answers that I am on a quest for. If its killing you to know if dogs are halal or if its halal to eat feces, grab the nearest mirrior, look deep into the eyes of the reflection you see and ask that question. Salam!

WA wr wb

bismillah

too much typing not enough substance. just answer the questions and iA you may be able to see where your doubt arises. other than that, i don't want to entertain your mud slinging challenge. maybe this style of thinking you adapt is more suited for youtube where pretty much anything goes. but iA you can object to what i say when your shiachat postings mature a bit. do you really want to create fitna while barely getting in 6 posts to your name?

Edited October 18, 2009 by gogiison2

[Abdul Qaim]

Will you two take it to PM? This arguing over who is the most ignorant is frankly childish and beneath you (both).

[Yasoob Al Deen]

Assalam alaykum.

To add to my original post:

Regardless of why Allah has made dogs "najis", they are najis. Ignorance of why doesn't affect it.

The scholars have determined that dogs are najis in Islam. I get the impression that some people think scholars have never read the Surah Cave which talks about a dog being in a cave with the four sleepers. People should go read a tafseer to know the scholarly commentary before they start issuing the ruling that dogs are not najis.

As for why dogs are najis; it may not be because dogs are inherently bad, which is what some people seem to think is necessary for them to be najis. And the opposite is true too, dogs have good qualities and uses, but that doesn't make them not najis. Perhaps they are najis, simply because Allah wanted to test us. Remember in the Quran that Allah wanted to test the army of ?Saul/David?, peace be upon them, by telling them to not drink water from the river along the way to fight the army. There doesn't seem to be a reason for doing so, as far as I know, (and may Allah forgive me if I speak incorrectly). The water doesn't seem to be inherently bad which requires a "don't drink this", and despite the good qualities of water, it doesn't invalidate the command of Alla. So maybe this is something similar, and we're being tested by minimising contact with dogs.

Nevertheless, just because they are najis, it doesn't mean you can't have one. It is possible in theory, and I'm sure someone has done it before, to have a dog and keep them in a part of the house, and keep them out from another part. Najis just means unclean. So clean yourself after contact with the dog. As for guide dogs for the blind, one must check the scholar to see what they advise.

I particularly commend Calm's post as it was excellent (#26).

[Shia4life1]

It's not possible to allow a dog inside your house and wash everything it touches? Lol does that even sound logical? I don't keep a dog inside my house. And for the guy whose trying to be an Ayatollah just stop while your ahead. Your questions are dumb. Just because an animals feces and body are not edible that doesn't make them nijis. A humans body and feces are not edible, does that make us nijis? And dont speak on my behalf saying that I believe scholars haven't read the Surah about the people of the cave. For the record no one said dogs are not nijis. Like I said before if you don't know don't talk. Move on there are thousands of discussions on this website that you can comment/view.

[gogiison2]

It's not possible to allow a dog inside your house and wash everything it touches? Lol does that even sound logical? I don't keep a dog inside my house. And for the guy whose trying to be an Ayatollah just stop while your ahead. Your questions are dumb. Just because an animals feces and body are not edible that doesn't make them nijis. A humans body and feces are not edible, does that make us nijis? And dont speak on my behalf saying that I believe scholars haven't read the Surah about the people of the cave. For the record no one said dogs are not nijis. Like I said before if you don't know don't talk. Move on there are thousands of discussions on this website that you can comment/view.

what are you talking about? read over what i have written once more so that iA you may better understand what i wrote. what do you mean by animal's body not edible? many Asians do in fact eat dogs.

look at the way you talk. and you were saying about sitting with the learned in one of your previous posts. you're so bothered by me asking you questions? don't you know that it's reported Ale Muhammad taught by asking questions as well. if you cannot control yourself i wonder which learned people will allow you to sit with them? do you talk to everyone like this?

Edited November 1, 2009 by gogiison2