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mohtaram asher sahab aap ne to muta ka haram sabit karne ke liye koi daleel dene ke bajaye aise he itni lambi chori farzi kahani suna di or wo bhi aisi kahani jis se is topic ka koi khas link nahi tha maine aise he aap ki itni lambi post par kar apna time zaya kiya or jo aap ne khuch qurani ayyat pesh keen or khuch idhar udhar ki bateen keen un se mutta haram hona kis tarhan sabit hota ha agar aap ye bhi likh dete to behtar hota kaheen aap ne likha jab aurat or mard akele hote hain to sath shetan hota ha , ab is bat se mutta ka haram hona kis tarhan sabit ha wase jab miyan biwi bhi akele hote hoon ge to un ke sath bhi shetan hota ho ga???????????

kher aap ko maine quran se or aap ki motabar tareen kutb se mutta ka hallal hona sabit kar diya tha aap ne us ka koi jawab nahi diya or aise he aqli ghore dora rahe ho aap mujhe simply ye btaoo ke khuda ki hallal ki hoi cheez ko aap haram kar sakte ho agar nahi kar sakte to fuzool main kyun behas kar apna or dosroon ka time wast kar rahe ho or agar kar sakte ho to meri aap se behas fuzool ha aap ki pori post main ik bat he aisi ha jo topic se related ha ke

" agar mutta halaal tha or hazrat umer ne ise haram karaar diya tha to pher hazrat ALI AS ne ise dubaran shoro kyun nahi karwaya"

wase to ye sawaal pochne ka bhi koi khas tok nahi banta kyunke mutta ko quran or hadees se sabit kar diya gya ha kher pher bhi is ka jawab khuch yoon ha.

darasal muta koi aise cheez nahi ha jo logoon ko pakar kar karwai jaye balke is ko halat e zaroorat kiya jata ha or hazrat ALI A S ka ik qool main apni pehli post main naqal kar chuka hoon ke un ke mutabiq agar muta ko ban na kiya jata to koi badbakht he zana karta is main MOLA ALI AS ne muta ko jaiz keh diya ha.

2nd: MUTTA ik mubah amal he agar mola ali as ne ise dubaran shoro nahi bhi karwaya to is se MUTTA ka haram hona sabit nahi hota.

3rd:us waqt musalmanoon main wase bhi bohat akhtilaf tha or aisa karne se mazeed ikhtilaf ho jata jabke MUTTA koi farz nahi ha . or tareekh se pta chalta ha ke hazray umer ke mutabiq ayat RIJAM quram main theen par hazrat umer use quran main logoon ke dar ki waja se shamil na karwa sake.

or jaisa ke main pehle keh chuka hoon ke mujhe aap ki post main is ke ilawa koi bat jawab dene ke qabil nahi lagi

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or aap ne apni last post main khuch mazak urrane ki koshish ki ha is waja se main thora dosre tareke se bhi jawab de deta hoon jo main dena nahi chahta tha or ab bhi bas halki si hint de raha hoon abhi bohat khuch or kaha ja sakta ha .

aap ne apni takreeban tamam postoon main apne nafs pe qabo rakhne ko kaha ha , to janab jab hazrat umer jaise bande, jin ke bare main RASOOL SAWW ne kaha ke mere bad koi nabi hota to umer hota :lol: or kabhi hazrat umer or RASOOL SAWW main ikhtilaf ho jata to ayyat hazrat umer ki bat ki taeed main utarti :P or bhi bohat khuch ha hazrat umer ke fazail main , apne nafs pe qabo nahi rakhe or apni biwi ke sath razaat ki. to pher ik aam insan ke liye jiske bare main RASOOL SAWW ne ye bhi nahi kaha ke mere bad nabi hota to YE hota kiya apne nafs pe qabo rakhna asaan hoga is ka jawab mujhe aap he de dijiye , jaisa ke hazrat umer ne halat e ROZA main apni biwi ke sath razaat ki thi.

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Dekho muta jaiz hei. Lekin quwanri larkiya ko muta nahi karna chahiye. Aur baap ke ijazzat ke bina kuwanri larki muta nahi karsakti. Aur rasul ki hadith hei ke koi musalman bap apni kuwanri larki ka muta pasand nahi karta. Kuwanrapan ki kimat baap ziada janta heii, maa se bhi ziada. Aaadmi ko aurat se ziada pata hei larki ka kuwarapan ki kimat. Aap ghaflat me a kar larkiyoon ko ghumra nahi karo. Bohot sare kisse ho chuke he kuwanri larkiyo ke sath jo dhoke me a kar chup chup ke muta karti hei. Aap ghuna ki sharik hoti hei. Muta ka ghalt faida nahi uthao.

bhai apne bilkul sahi kaha ke ke walid ki ijazat ke bager muta nahi kiya ja sakta lekin agar kanwari larki muta karle to koi gunah nahi ha, or agar koi shaks bager ijazat ke muta karta ha to wo zana he hoga.

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(salam)

baton ko ghuma phira ker sawal ka jawab na dene ka kamal ap ko khoob ata ha

Mein ney tu aap ko pehlay bhi wazahat di thi aur us key baad kuch waqt mein baaqi saari baat bhi bata di.

Man-na /samjhna ya na samjhna aap par munhasir hey.

asher sahb itni lambi dastan parhi is per hame thanks kahin or ap ne likhi is per ap ka thanx ,sirf ik bat ye kahdoon k ap ne jin baton ki wazahat ke liyea ye koshish ki ha to bilkul bekar koshish ki maazrat ke sath neiki or badi ka concept insan ki fitrat me dakhil ker diya gaya ha yahi waja ha k ik bacha bhi jub gunah kerta ha to use chupane ki koshish kerta ha is liyea ap ne jin points ko yahan disscuss kia ha already her insan in baton or nazakton se ashna hota ha or deen ki her bat insan ki fitrat ke ain mutabiq hoti ha ,

Insaan mein ghalat aur sahi samjhney ki salahiyat hoti nahin.Banayi jati hey.Mahool,parwarish banati hey.

magrabi mulkoon mein jaisey unki parwarish hoti hey ussi key mutabiq unki sooch hojati hey.

Agr wahi magrabi mulk ka koi shaks mashraqi mulkoon mein aaye aur jis tarahan sey woh wahn rehtay hein(geir-muslim)unka rehan sehan,pahnayo(clothing)wagera tu mashraqi mulkoon mein issey achey nazriye sey nahin dekha jata.Waja?

Kiyun key unko nahin lagta key woh kuch ghalat kar rahey hein.Woh unki aadat ban chuki hoti hey.

Aur mashraqi mulkoon key logon ko(musalmaanon)ko unka pehnao acha kiyun nahin lagey ga?

kiyun key unkey (people living in east : muslims ) andar is baat ko bachpan sey betha diya jata hey.halankey kaafi ney quran tak ko parha nahin hota.

Simple : it's society,environment,growth that moulds human mind.They are born with capacity to differentiate.But depends how this capacity is utilised by an individual.

What i told you many won't be knowing.I have given reasons and asked you to search on it.I even asked not to follow blindly.Liken aap ko tu justugoo(talaash)bhi nahin karni sach ki.Aap tu sirf yeh kehti hein key jo mutah jaisey key "syed_demanding"ki post mein hey sahi hey.

Ab aap khud hi apna faisla karein ?Kaun sahi hey aur ghalat : mein ney tu aap sey kaha talaash karein sach ki .yeh bhi nahin kaha key meri baat ko huqq maan lein.Ek baar soochein,samjhein aur khud talash karein.inshaAllah,jawab zaroor miley ga.Agey aap ki marzi :)

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'bint e ali':

kash ke ap ko Allah deen ki samajh boojh de de

Ameen :)

'bint e ali':

mera ab bhi ap se wahi sawal ha k jub sharab or joa or sood jese mamlat ko quran haram kehta ha or sakhti se mumaniat kerta ha to mutta jo k baqol ap ke zana ha is per itni khamoshi kiun or agar baqol ap ke jo ayeten ap ne mutta ke khilaf pesh ki han to un me saf wazia tareeqay se is ki mumaniat kiun nahi ha ,kia waja ha k quran ias mamle ko clearly mana nahi ker raha ,waja to yahi ha k is ke bare me koi mumaniat ka hukam hi nahi aya tha ,haan lakin jese talaq ik halal amal ha magar bahalat e majboori isi tara mutta bhi halat e majboori ke liyea jaiz ha

Mein koi alam-o-fazil tu nahin liken kooshish ki hey key jitni samajh hey sirf utna hi bataon.Us sey ziyada nahin.

Aap key is sawaal ka jawab meray paas tu hey liken shayed us jawab mein abi itni shid-dat nahin key ya shayed meray pass abhi woh quwat nahin key samjha sakoon :(

Liken jitna bata sakt hoon (ya jitni samajh hey filhaal ) woh yeh khe :Quran mein aksar ayaton mein aap ney yeh parha hoga(ayaton key aakhir mein ) khe 'is mein samajhney/soochney walon key liye hikmat hey' .Allah ney ayaton ko samajhney aur un par gaur-o-fikr ka kaha hey.

Jab aap baat karti hein key zina,sood,sharaab in sab ka zikr bhut waziha hey.Tu mutah ka kiyun nahin?

Aap key samney mein ney kayi ayatein rakhein.Un sab ayaton mein yeh baat waziha hojati hey khe shaadi ek sahi amal hey.Jitni bhi aap ayatein parhein gi aap ko dekhney ko miley ga khe Allah ney shaadi key qawaneen bataye,huqooq bataye,talaaq key barey mein hey.Jo key is baat ko batata hey khe : shaadi sey pehlay ka koi concept nahin hey.phir chahye woh "mutah" hi kiyun na hou. (meri samajh key mutabiq.Agr aap ko meri is baat mein kuch puktagi lagey tu sooch kar kuch seekh lena ^_^ ).

[Tabhi tu Allah ney kaha key meri ayaton par gaur-o-fikr karo.GAUR-O-FIKR sey tu yehi baat sabit hoti hey khe Mutah :mad: ]

Ek ayat hey :

............................So follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you may avoid justice, and if you distort your witness or refuse to give it, verily, Allah is Ever Well-Acquainted with what you do.(An-Nisa : 135)

Mein ney aap ko pehlay bhi bata diya hey mein koi alam-fazil nahin liken jitni samajh hey us key mutabiq is ayat ko jab mein

parh ra tho - tu laga jaisey aap key sawaal ka jawab is mein hou shayed :

In this ayat it is : " follow not the lusts (of your hearts) "..............

Mutah kiya hey : "Mut'ah LITERALLY means pleasure"....................................samajh jayein na :lol:

(Aur ayat is baat ko kehti hey khe apney dil ki khawahishat ki perwi na karo.)

Is key ilawa apni guzishta post mein bhi ayat batayi thi,aap is ki tafseel dekh lena :wub: specially is lafz ki "girl-friends ki ": yeh rahi woh ayat

"Made lawful to you this day are At­Tayyibât [all kinds of Halâl (lawful) foods, which Allâh has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, etc., milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits, etc.). The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals, etc.) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. (Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time, when you have given their due Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), desiring chastity (i.e. taking them in legal wedlock) not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girl-friends. And whosoever disbelieves in the Oneness of Allâh and in all the other Articles of Faith [i.e. His (Allâh's), Angels, His Holy Books, His Messengers, the Day of Resurrection and Al­Qadar (Divine Preordainments)], then fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers.

ayat number 5 (surah mayida)urdu mein :

http://pakquran.com/...?surah=5&ayat=5

This Ayat too :

It is made lawful for you to have sexual relations with your wives on the night of As-Saum (the fasts). They are Libas [i.e. body cover, or screen, or Sakan, (i.e. you enjoy the pleasure of living with her - as in Verse 7:189) Tafsir At-Tabari], for you and you are the same for them. Allah knows that you used to deceive yourselves, so He turned to you (accepted your repentance) and forgave you. So now have sexual relations with them and seek that which Allah has ordained for you (offspring), and eat and drink until the white thread (light) of dawn appears to you distinct from the black thread (darkness of night), then complete your Saum (fast) till the nightfall. And do not have sexual relations with them (your wives) while you are in I'tikaf (i.e. confining oneself in a mosque for prayers and invocations leaving the worldly activities) in the mosques. These are the limits (set) by Allah, so approach them not. Thus does Allah make clear His Ayat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs, revelations, verses, laws, legal and illegal things, Allah's set limits, orders, etc.) to mankind that they may become Al-Muttaqun (187 :surah baqarah)

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Yeh woh aakhri ayat hey jo aap(bint-e-ali) key sawaal ka jawab shayed dey dey :!!!:

Agr nahin diya tu phir : Aye Khuda ,Aye Khuda : Jis ney ki justugoo mil gaya us ko tu : sab ka tu rehnuma : Aye Khuda ,Aye Khuda ^_^

yeh rahi woh ayat :angel:

He grants Hikmah to whom He pleases, and he, to whom Hikmah is granted, is indeed granted abundant good. But none remember (will receive admonition) except men of understanding.(verse 269 : Surah Baqarah)

(wasalam)

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'Raqib Naqvi' :

maine aise he aap ki itni lambi post par kar apna time zaya kiya

Shukr hey parhi tu sahi :) Aaj parhi hey,inshaAllah asr bhi hoga.Sach jo kaha hey.Ab aap na manein yeh alag baat hey.

'Raqib Naqvi' :

aap ne likha jab aurat or mard akele hote hain to sath shetan hota ha , ab is bat se mutta ka haram hona kis tarhan sabit ha wase jab miyan biwi bhi akele hote hoon ge to un ke sath bhi shetan hota ho ga???????????

Arey : shaadi tu halaal hey na :cry: Us waqt jab mard aurat saath hotey hein tu un key darmiyan shaitaan sirf talauq kharab karney aata hey warna nahin aata.Shaadi key baad woh donon(larka/larki)ek dosrey key liye halaal hojatey hein.Matlab unka rishta pakeeza hojata hey B)

Liken shaadi sey pehlay agr woh itney close rahey tu ghalat taraf ja saktey hein jo key shaadi key ilawa halaal nahin.

Mutah sirf pleasure key liye hota hey.Ab jab larka/larki akelay hongey tu woh zina key taraf unko kheench sakta hey beshak contract mein yeh likhe hou khe mutah sirf ek pleasure key liye hey.Us key ilawa kuch nahin.....

(Mein ney is context mein hadees ko bataya hey :cry: )

'Raqib Naqvi' :

MUTTA ik mubah amal he agar mola ali as ne ise dubaran shoro nahi bhi karwaya to is se MUTTA ka haram hona sabit nahi hota.

kis ney huqq diya kisi ko bhi key islam mein koi cheeiz ko enter/delete karey.jabkey Huzoor (pbuh) ney aakhri khutbey mein kaha tha :

[Quran 5:3] "This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."

"Verily, I have left amongst you the Quran and the Sunnah (Traditions) of His Messenger which if you hold fast, you shall never go astray." [sahih Muslim]

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or aap ne apni last post main khuch mazak urrane ki koshish ki ha is waja se main thora dosre tareke se bhi jawab de deta hoon jo main dena nahi chahta tha or ab bhi bas halki si hint de raha hoon abhi bohat khuch or kaha ja sakta ha .

aap ne apni takreeban tamam postoon main apne nafs pe qabo rakhne ko kaha ha , to janab jab hazrat umer jaise bande, jin ke bare main RASOOL SAWW ne kaha ke mere bad koi nabi hota to umer hota :lol: or kabhi hazrat umer or RASOOL SAWW main ikhtilaf ho jata to ayyat hazrat umer ki bat ki taeed main utarti :P or bhi bohat khuch ha hazrat umer ke fazail main , apne nafs pe qabo nahi rakhe or apni biwi ke sath razaat ki. to pher ik aam insan ke liye jiske bare main RASOOL SAWW ne ye bhi nahi kaha ke mere bad nabi hota to YE hota kiya apne nafs pe qabo rakhna asaan hoga is ka jawab mujhe aap he de dijiye , jaisa ke hazrat umer ne halat e ROZA main apni biwi ke sath razaat ki thi.

Ajeeb-o-gareeb baat hey : Aap hazrat umar (ra) ki misaal dey rahey hein jis ka mujhey koi ilm nahin liken hairaangi yeh key aap kiya unko mantey hein jo unki misaal di. :huh:

Chunkey mein ney yeh kabhi kahin parha nahin aur mujhey is misaal ka koi ilm nahin so i will stay quite on it :)

Nafs par qaboo pana hi nafs-ka-jihad hey. (self-striving)jis key baarey mein Ali (ra) ney faramaya :

1)To fight against one's desires is the greatest of all fights.

2)The strongest amongst you is he who subdues( to hold in check or repress )his self.

Even islam mein hey key jo shaks shaadi na kar sakey woh roozey rakhey.(Jis ki hasiyat na hou)kiyunky rooza usey burayion sey bachayae ga.

Aur islam mein yeh bhi hey key koi ghalti hojaye tu us ka kaf-fara hey.

Aakhir mein : Allah hum sub ko seedhar rastey par chalney ki hidayat dey...

Note : As far as i knew i explained.For things i didn't know i remained quite on them,I am not telling to stick to my words.But i ask you to search for yourself.And seek guidance of Allah & remember me in prayers too.I myself ask Allah Almighty to guide me if what i have explained is wrong

:angel:

(wasalam)

Edited by asher

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Now after long discussion ,something different to read ^_^

Who will take the Noble Qur'an?

A wealthy man and his son loved to collect rare works of art. They had everything in their collection, from Picasso (Spanish artist who lived in France) to Raphael (Italian painter). They would often sit together and admire the great works of art.

When the Vietnam conflict broke out, the son went to war. He was very courageous and died in battle while rescuing another soldier. The father was notified and grieved deeply for his only son.

About a month later, just before Eid ul-Fitr, there was a knock at the door. A young man stood at the door with a large package in his hands.

He said, "Sir, you don't know me, but I am the soldier for whom your son gave his life. He saved many lives that day, and he was carrying me to safety when a bullet struck him in the heart and he died instantly. He often talked about you, and your love for art."

The young man held out this package. "I know this isn't much. I'm not really a great artist, but I think your son would have wanted you to have this."

The father opened the package. It was a portrait of his son, painted by the young man. He stared in awe at the way the soldier had captured the personality of his son in the painting. The father was so drawn to the eyes that his own eyes welled up with tears. He thanked the young man and offered to pay him for the picture. "Oh, no sir, I could never repay what your son did for me. It's a gift."

The father hung the portrait over his mantle. Every time visitors came to his home he took them to see the portrait of his son before he showed them any of the other great works he had collected.

The man died a few months later. There was to be a great auction of his paintings Many influential people gathered, excited over seeing the great paintings and having an opportunity to purchase one for their collection.

On the platform sat the painting of the son. The auctioneer pounded his gavel. "We will start the bidding with this picture of the son. Who will bid for this picture?"

There was silence. Then a voice in the back of the room shouted, "We want to see the famous paintings! Skip this one."

But the auctioneer persisted. "Will somebody bid for this painting. Who will start the bidding? $100, $200?"

Another voice angrily, "We didn't come to see this painting. We came to see the Van Goghs (Dutch painter), the Rembrandts (Dutch artist). Get on with the real bids!"

But still the auctioneer continued. "The son! The son! Who'll take the son?" Finally, a voice came from the very back of the room. It was the longtime gardener of the man and his son. 'I'll give $10 for the painting.' Being a poor man, it was all he could afford.

We have $10, who will bid $20? Give it to him for $10. "Let's see the masters...." $10 is the bid, won't someone bid $20?

The crowd was becoming angry. They didn't want the picture of the son. They wanted the more worthy investments for their collections.

The auctioneer pounded the gavel. "Going once, twice, SOLD for $10!"

A man sitting on the second row shouted, "Now let's get on with the collection!"

The auctioneer laid down his gavel. "I'm sorry, the auction is over."

"What about the great paintings?"

I am sorry. When I was called to conduct this auction, I was told of a secret stipulation in the will. I was not allowed to reveal that stipulation until this time. Only the painting of the son would be auctioned. Whoever bought that painting would inherit the entire estate, including the paintings. The man who took the son gets everything!Allah (SWT) gave His Noble Qur'an hundreds of years ago to guide us. Much like the auctioneer,

His message today is: "The Noble Qur'an, the Noble Qur'an, who'll take the Noble Qur'an? Because whoever takes the Noble Qur'an gets everything."

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SAWAL Bint e Ali ka SHIooooo sai hai jo SHIA hi jawab dai, ashar Brother ap nh bolen aur dekhay yea Shia kia jawab datai hai sawal ka, kiun kai sawal ka maqsad hi zayea ho chuka hai ab tak ki bat cheet mai, SAWL jaiz yea haram ka nh, behas sawal kai against ja rahai hai, plz sawal par hi jawab dai aur SHIOOOOO sai sawal howaya hai wohi is ka jawab dai hai na kai koai sunni.

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asher sahab aap ne likha ha ke k shadi halal amal ha is waja se mard or aurat ke bech shetan nahi hota to mere bhai pehle aap mutta ko haram to sabit karo baki bateen bad ki hain or aap har baat se baari baari faraar ikhtiyar kar rahe ho or kisi bat ka bhi jawab na dene ke bawajood be tuki posting kare ja rahe ho .

1: aap ko maine muta quran se sabit kar diya to aap ne koi jawab nahi diya.

2: aap ki motabar tareen kutub se sabit kiya koi jawab nahi aaya.

3: aap jo bar bar nafs pe qabo rakhne ki rat lagaye howe the is ke jawab main maine hazrat umer ki halat dekhai is par bhi aap ka koi ilmi jawab nahi aya or aap ne khuch is tarhan se likha.

"Ajeeb-o-gareeb baat hey : Aap hazrat umar (ra) ki misaal dey rahey hein jis ka mujhey koi ilm nahin liken hairaangi yeh key aap kiya unko mantey hein jo unki misaal di. :huh:

Chunkey mein ney yeh kabhi kahin parha nahin aur mujhey is misaal ka koi ilm nahin so i will stay quite on it ."

is main ik to aap ne ye kaha ke maine aisi bat kahi jiska aap ko ilm nahi to mere jaan maine hawala TAFSEER IBNE kaaseer ka diya tha jo apki motabar tareen tafseer ha dosra hawala tafseer e mazhari ka tha jo bhi aap ki motabar tareen kutub main se ha or agar aap mazeed ghor karo ge pages par to wahan check karna ke musanif ne wo rawayat bukhari se li ha jo aapki motabar tareen kitab ha , ab aap ko in sab chezoon ka nahi pta to main kiya karoon . aap kam az kam apni books to par lo.

or akher main aap ne hazrat ali as ki muta ko dubaran shoro karwane ki bat ka jawab diya to pehle to ye ke maine us ke 3 jawabaat diye the aap ne 2 ko nahi chera or tesre jawab ke reply main aap ne kaha ke kisi ko akhtiyar nahi ha ke wo Allah ki halal karda cheez ko haram qarar de to mere bhai yehi bat to main aap ko samjha raha hoon par aap samajhte he nahi or HAZRAT ali as ke nazdeeq muta jaiz tha jiska hawala main pehle de chuka hoon.

or main bar bar keh raha hoon asher sahab aap se ke agar koi daleel ha to pesh karo in qise kahaniyaan sunane ka koi faida nahi.

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SAWAL Bint e Ali ka SHIooooo sai hai jo SHIA hi jawab dai, ashar Brother ap nh bolen aur dekhay yea Shia kia jawab datai hai sawal ka, kiun kai sawal ka maqsad hi zayea ho chuka hai ab tak ki bat cheet mai, SAWL jaiz yea haram ka nh, behas sawal kai against ja rahai hai, plz sawal par hi jawab dai aur SHIOOOOO sai sawal howaya hai wohi is ka jawab dai hai na kai koai sunni.

agar aap ankheen khol ke parte to aap ko jawab bhi mil jata kher pehle to ye ke muta ik mubah amal ha , or jahan tak rawayat ka taluq ha to pesh ki gayeen hain to un main 2 masle hain.

1: is ka RAVI zaeef ha.

2: ye rawayat wase bhi apne alfaz ke lehaz se qabil e qabool nahi ha.

is ke ilawa ye btata chaloon ke kisi cheez ke jaiz hona ka matlab ye nahi hota ke wo neki ka kaam ha maslan IMAM ABU HANIFA ke mutabiq WAALI ki marzi ke bager shadi jaiz ha yani jo ye bhag kar shadiyaan hoteen hain ye abu hanifa ke nazdeek jaiz ha to kiya aap apne ghar main is ki ijazat do ge?????????

aap ke nazdeek jawan aurat , jawan mard ko dodh pila ka use mehram kar sakti ha to kiya aap is ki ijazat do ge????????

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Excellent Reply.

There is only one marriage ,that is permanent marriage in civil society and in all religious.

how can we think for temparory marraiges. there is no diff in b/w temp marriage and Zina .if you say the same infront of a hindu ,christian and any other relgion people they will think how shameless we are and our religion is. how can it be allowed.

if you want to do it do it but donot come up with the banner of religion.prostitues also do the same thing ,they charge the money for an hour or for hole night or for hole month.think again what is diff in b/w temp marriage and Zina.

donot come up saying imam nay ya farmaya or ya farmaya first think with the eyes of noble man how can muta will be allowed.

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1: aap ko maine muta quran se sabit kar diya to aap ne koi jawab nahi diya.

Jawab diya aur saath yeh bhi bataya khe aap ney ayat key maani ko samjha hi nahin...Mein ney ek nahin kayi ayatein pesih kein.Jo log shuran sey is post ko parh rahey hein woh is baat key gawah hein.Aur agr woh bhi is baat ko mananey sey inkaar kar dein tu Allah gawah hey khe mein Huqq par hoon

2: aap ki motabar tareen kutub se sabit kiya koi jawab nahi aaya.

3: aap jo bar bar nafs pe qabo rakhne ki rat lagaye howe the is ke jawab main maine hazrat umer ki halat dekhai is par bhi aap ka koi ilmi jawab nahi aya or aap ne khuch is tarhan se likha.

Mein is liye hairaan th kiyunkey aap ney mujey Umar ki misaal di.Mein ney apney poori post mein kosshish ki khe mein aisi koi misaal na layon.Waja yeh thi khe agr mein lat tu aap log kehtay hum Umar aur Abu bakr (ra) ko maantey hi nahin.Mein ney poori kooshish ki quran sey wazahat doon aur alhamdulillah di.

Aap ney misaal di,mujhey hairaan kiya kiyun key jahan tak mujhey ilm hey aap log tu mantey hi nahin unko ya unki khilafat ko.Aap kehtay hou khe unhon ney khilafat chein li thi.

Meray liye unki misaal peesh karna koi bari baat nahin liken mein ney nahin peesh ki.Waja uppar biyan kar di hey

or main bar bar keh raha hoon asher sahab aap se ke agar koi daleel ha to pesh karo in qise kahaniyaan sunane ka koi faida nahi

Ek nahin.Mein ney tu alhamdulillah bhut peesh kein.Liken jab aap Quran ko samjhna hi nahin chahtey.Soochna hi nahin chahtey tu Allah hi aap ka malik hey.Abhi bhi waqt hey,samjhney ki kooshish karein warna kahin bhut deir na hojaye :(

Allah mauqey dey raha hey.Jis din us ney mauqa dena band kar diya us din sirf aur sirf zillat hogi :(

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Excellent Reply.

There is only one marriage ,that is permanent marriage in civil society and in all religious.

how can we think for temparory marraiges. there is no diff in b/w temp marriage and Zina .if you say the same infront of a hindu ,christian and any other relgion people they will think how shameless we are and our religion is. how can it be allowed.

if you want to do it do it but donot come up with the banner of religion.prostitues also do the same thing ,they charge the money for an hour or for hole night or for hole month.think again what is diff in b/w temp marriage and Zina.

donot come up saying imam nay ya farmaya or ya farmaya first think with the eyes of noble man how can muta will be allowed.

There is another example which was there published in news.Bint-e-Ali mein ney aap ko pehlay bhi bataya tha.Khe muttah muashrey ko tabah kar dey ga.Aur kayi misaal bhi dein.Ab ek misaal yeh parhein.Yeh tu abhi sirf ibteda hey.Nahin rukey tu inteha bhut buri hey......

"A MOTHER, who abandoned her newborn baby in a hospital car park to avoid a scandal, has been arrested, it emerged yesterday.

The woman and her mother have been charged with dumping the baby boy at the Medical Complex (MC) car park on February 15.

Both women appeared before a court yesterday, which remanded them in custody for 10 days until a court date is set.

The 27-year-old woman was allegedly in a relationship with a --- man, who had sex with her without her consent last year.

The man then felt guilty, married her through meta'a (marriage of convenience) and promised to officially marry her after a few months, according to court documents.

Their relationship continued for another six months, during which the couple fell out and separated.

The woman later found out she was pregnant and tried to hide it from her family, according to court documents."

[if further comments come on this too then i have already answered in detail.There is another lesson for those who wish to learn in this story too]

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name='asher' date='12 March 2010 - 01:16 PM' timestamp='1268417817' post='2026304']

Jawab diya aur saath yeh bhi bataya khe aap ney ayat key maani ko samjha hi nahin...Mein ney ek nahin kayi ayatein pesih kein.Jo log shuran sey is post ko parh rahey hein woh is baat key gawah hein.Aur agr woh bhi is baat ko mananey sey inkaar kar dein tu Allah gawah hey khe mein Huqq par hoon

janab aap ke jawab ka bhi maine rad kar diya tha us ke bad aap ka koi jawab nahi aya or aap ne jo ayyat pesh keen theen un main se ik bhi muta ko haram sabit nahi karti darasal aap ko muta ka pta he nahi ha wase bhi maine aapki motabar tareen tafaseer ka hawala bhi diya tha jahan likha ha pesh karda ayyat muta ki ha or ye hukam mansookh nahi howa.

is ke ilawa sahih bukhari se "aye imam walo jo cheezeen tum par halal ki gayeen.........." ki tafseer bhi dikhai thi jiska aap ne koi jawab nahi diya.

Mein is liye hairaan th kiyunkey aap ney mujey Umar ki misaal di.Mein ney apney poori post mein kosshish ki khe mein aisi koi misaal na layon.Waja yeh thi khe agr mein lat tu aap log kehtay hum Umar aur Abu bakr (ra) ko maantey hi nahin.Mein ney poori kooshish ki quran sey wazahat doon aur alhamdulillah di.

Aap ney misaal di,mujhey hairaan kiya kiyun key jahan tak mujhey ilm hey aap log tu mantey hi nahin unko ya unki khilafat ko.Aap kehtay hou khe unhon ney khilafat chein li thi.

Meray liye unki misaal peesh karna koi bari baat nahin liken mein ney nahin peesh ki.Waja uppar biyan kar di hey

Ek nahin.Mein ney tu alhamdulillah bhut peesh kein.Liken jab aap Quran ko samjhna hi nahin chahtey.Soochna hi nahin chahtey tu Allah hi aap ka malik hey.Abhi bhi waqt hey,samjhney ki kooshish karein warna kahin bhut deir na hojaye :(

Allah mauqey dey raha hey.Jis din us ney mauqa dena band kar diya us din sirf aur sirf zillat hogi :(

jo aap ki kitaboon se muta sabit kiya gaya ha aap ne us ka jawab bhi nahi diya.

or last main aap ne hazrat umer wali baat ki to janab shayad aap ko choti choti bateen samajhne main bhi bohat deer lagti ha ,agar ham hazrat umer ko nahi mante to aap to mante hain na????????????? to pher un ka defend karo or jawab do or han hamare liye hazrat umer ki koi bat hujjat qaim nahi kar sakti isi tarhan agar aap hamari kisi book se HAZRAT ABU TALIB AS se koi bat sabit karo ge to ham jawab de hoon ge kyunke ham unhe mante hain or aap nahi mante or agar aap ki books se koi bat ki jaye hazrat abu talib as ki to aap us ke jawab de nahi ho.

ye ik simple se bat ha to aap ke dimagh main nahi ghus pa rahi.

or main to AAP ki books se sahaba ki ik bari tadaad dekha sakta hoon jo muta ka halal kehte the par aap par us ka bhi koi asar nahi hoga kyunke aap zid main ho, halanke aap ke aqede ke mutabiq SAHABA sitaroon ki manind hain jiski bhi perwi karo hidayat paoo ge to sahaba ki ik bari tadaad bhi muta ko jaiz samajhti thi us ka kiya?????????

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janab aap ke jawab ka bhi maine rad kar diya tha us ke bad aap ka koi jawab nahi aya or aap ne jo ayyat pesh keen theen un main se ik bhi muta ko haram sabit nahi karti darasal aap ko muta ka pta he nahi ha wase bhi maine aapki motabar tareen tafaseer ka hawala bhi diya tha jahan likha ha pesh karda ayyat muta ki ha or ye hukam mansookh nahi howa.

is ke ilawa sahih bukhari se "aye imam walo jo cheezeen tum par halal ki gayeen.........." ki tafseer bhi dikhai thi jiska aap ne koi jawab nahi diya.

jo aap ki kitaboon se muta sabit kiya gaya ha aap ne us ka jawab bhi nahi diya.

or last main aap ne hazrat umer wali baat ki to janab shayad aap ko choti choti bateen samajhne main bhi bohat deer lagti ha ,agar ham hazrat umer ko nahi mante to aap to mante hain na????????????? to pher un ka defend karo or jawab do or han hamare liye hazrat umer ki koi bat hujjat qaim nahi kar sakti isi tarhan agar aap hamari kisi book se HAZRAT ABU TALIB AS se koi bat sabit karo ge to ham jawab de hoon ge kyunke ham unhe mante hain or aap nahi mante or agar aap ki books se koi bat ki jaye hazrat abu talib as ki to aap us ke jawab de nahi ho.

ye ik simple se bat ha to aap ke dimagh main nahi ghus pa rahi.

or main to AAP ki books se sahaba ki ik bari tadaad dekha sakta hoon jo muta ka halal kehte the par aap par us ka bhi koi asar nahi hoga kyunke aap zid main ho, halanke aap ke aqede ke mutabiq SAHABA sitaroon ki manind hain jiski bhi perwi karo hidayat paoo ge to sahaba ki ik bari tadaad bhi muta ko jaiz samajhti thi us ka kiya?????????

(salam)

Quran ki kayi ayatein batayein.Kiya koi aur kitab quran ko challenge kar sakti hey?

Mera aakhri comment yehi hey : Allah hi hey jo aap ko hidayat dey.

Jis ney sabaq lena hoga us key liye jo kuch mein ney likha hey us ko samjhey ga ,us ko parhey ga aur inshaAllah hidayat bhi hasil karey ga.Mein ney kooshish ki aur umeed hey Allah is kooshish ko rayigan nahin janey dey ga.Yeh kooshish zaroor rung laye gi.InshaAllah

Sirf ek bandey/shaks ko bhi is sey kuch seekhnay ko mila ya hidayat mil gayi ,Allah us ka ajr zaroor dey ga. Us key ilawa tu koi dey bhi nahin sakta ^_^

Aur us key baad dua hey : Allah hum sab ko seedhay rastey par chalney ki taufeeq dey..Ameen

(wasalam)

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Dear Friends keep it on your debate.....

Just for reference sharing this press release of Law and Justice commission of Pakistan, Commission is headed by Chief Justice of Pakistan " Ch. Iftikhar"

Muttah kisi hud tak un k nazdeek bhi koi buree cheez nahi............ :blush:

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http://www.ljcp.gov.pk/Menu%20Items/Media%20Release/press%20release%20LJCP%2019%20APR%202009.htm

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(salam)

Quran ki kayi ayatein batayein.Kiya koi aur kitab quran ko challenge kar sakti hey?

Mera aakhri comment yehi hey : Allah hi hey jo aap ko hidayat dey.

Jis ney sabaq lena hoga us key liye jo kuch mein ney likha hey us ko samjhey ga ,us ko parhey ga aur inshaAllah hidayat bhi hasil karey ga.Mein ney kooshish ki aur umeed hey Allah is kooshish ko rayigan nahin janey dey ga.Yeh kooshish zaroor rung laye gi.InshaAllah

Sirf ek bandey/shaks ko bhi is sey kuch seekhnay ko mila ya hidayat mil gayi ,Allah us ka ajr zaroor dey ga. Us key ilawa tu koi dey bhi nahin sakta ^_^

Aur us key baad dua hey : Allah hum sab ko seedhay rastey par chalney ki taufeeq dey..Ameen

(wasalam)

bhai sahab aap ne koi bhi aisi ayyat pesh nahi ki jo mutta ko haram sabit kar sake darasal aap ko mutta ka sahi pta he nahi ha , jiske baraqas maine aap ko mutta QURAN se sabit karke diya is ke ilawa ye bhi sabit kiya ke mutta ki ayyat ko kis or ayyat ne mansookh nahi kiya , app ki books se dikhaya ,sahaba karam mutta ko jaiz samajhte the ye bhi btaya is ke ilawa main abhi bhi lambi chori post kar sakta hoon par aap to zid par utar aye ho is waja se mazeed behas nahi karte balke is ka fasla prne waloon par chorte hain .

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