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(bismillah)

(salam)

bhai sahab aap to behas baraye behas pe utar aye is ka sabse bara saboot ye ha ke mutta ke saboot maine aap ko aap ki motabar tareen kitaab bukhari or muslin se diye the par aap ne us ka koi jawab nahi diya or aap age se mujhe ye keh rahe ho ke QURAAN se fasila karte haan, main aapko QURAAN se bhi sabit karke dikhata hoon pehle to aap ye btaoo ke aap apne sare aqaid quraan se sabit kar sakte ho?????

Dost,Mein ney shuran mein hi biyan kar diya tha : "Mujhey jis cheiz par poora ikhityar hey (sahi samajh hey,alhamdulillah)mein aap ki is bari si post mein us par pehlay baat karon g."..................Mein ney yeh issi liye likha tha.Mein poori kooshish kart hoon key quran sey ayat ley kar ayon.Is ki sab sey bari waja yehi hey khe jab mein muslim,bukhari ya kisi aur jaga sey lay kar aaon tu bhut sawaal uth-tey hein.saarey mamly quran mein maujood hein liken Quran khud kehta hey Rasool (pbuh) aur sahaaba (ra) ka diya hua rasta ikhtiyar karo.

Is mamley "muttah " par mein pehlay bhi kayi baar baat kar chuk- hoon.Kayi jaga parh kar yehi nateeja hey khe yeh halaal nahin.

Quran ki bhi agr sirf ek ayat parh lou tu sahi samajh nahin aati jab tak key poori tafseel parh li na jaye(kuch ayataein aisi bhi hein)

Issi tarahan sey bukhari aur muslim ki kitabon ko mana jata hey liken un mein bhi shayed kuch hadeesein zayif hein ya phir kuch hadeeson ko samajhney key liye unkey likhney ki waja aur waqt ko samjhna zaroori hey.Meinney issi liye is par koi baat nahin ki.

Liken apni pehlay (page 1) par kuch aisi hadeesein aur ayatein tafseel sey batayein hein jo muslim or bukhari sey hi hein jin mein sey ek yeh hey:

نکاح کی یہ قسم فتح مکہ کے سال تین دن کے لیے جائز کی گئي تھی ، پھر بعد میں اس سے منع کر دیا گيا اورقیامت تک حرام کر دی گئي ، اس کی دلیل مسلم شریف کی حدیث میں موجود ہے : دیکھیں صحیح مسلم حدیث نمبر ( 1406 ) ۔

Rahi baat dosri,mujhey tu khud samajh nahin aarahi mein yahan par jab sahih muslim or bukhari ki hadeesein batat hoon tu kuch dost

issi forum par kehtay hein "kiya aap ko lagta hey hum bukhari /muslim par yaqeen rakhtey hein"...

phir mein jab Quran sey koi baat ley aaon tu ab aap yeh keh rahey hein khe muslim/bukhari mein dekhein.

(Kheir,is ka zikr mein ney apni shuran ki posts mein kar diya hey.Aap chahein tu parh lein ya shayed parh liya hoga(page 1 par)

baraye meharbani aap behas baraye behas na kareen or lataluq ho kar socheen

Dost,mein behas nahin kar rah,mein tu bata rah hoon khe yeh jo baat "muttah" ki nikli hey yeh pichlay itney saloon mein kahan gayib thi.Agr nikli bhi hey tu halaal nahin hey.Yeh burayi tu pehla hi rahi hey ,us key saath yeh poorey muashray ko apni lapeet mein ley rahi hey.

Filhaal is sey uthney wali burayein or kharabiyan ko shayed mein biyan nahin kar parah-.Liken inshaAllah,agr Allah ney himmat aur haunsla diya tu ek din zaroor.

Meri tu sirf guzarish hey khe Quran ki ayaton sey yeh baat poori sabit hojati hey khe yeh halaal nahin.

Yeh ek nayi bidat hey jo sirf insaani khawahishaat poori karney key liye amal mein layi gayi hey.Aap sirf un ayaton ko parhein tu samajh aajaye gi

Jo baat Quran sey wazih taur par sabit hojaye,humein kiya zarorat hey khe phir bhi us ki talaash kartey rahein.Agr woh baat samajh mein na aaye,ya humein samjhney mein mushkil hou tu phir tu humein lazman baaqi jagon sey madad leni parti hey.

lataluq

Dost lata-lluq honey ko na bolo.Aap ko pata hou ga "khali dimag shaitaan ka ghar hota hey". ^_^ Aur waisey hi shaitaan koi aisa waqt nahin chorta jab kisi tareeqay sey behka ley...

Allah hum sab ko apney hifz-o-amaan mein rakhey...Ameen :)

(wasalam)

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(bismillah)

(salam)

Dost,Mein ney shuran mein hi biyan kar diya tha : "Mujhey jis cheiz par poora ikhityar hey (sahi samajh hey,alhamdulillah)mein aap ki is bari si post mein us par pehlay baat karon g."..................Mein ney yeh issi liye likha tha.Mein poori kooshish kart hoon key quran sey ayat ley kar ayon.Is ki sab sey bari waja yehi hey khe jab mein muslim,bukhari ya kisi aur jaga sey lay kar aaon tu bhut sawaal uth-tey hein.saarey mamly quran mein maujood hein liken Quran khud kehta hey Rasool (pbuh) aur sahaaba (ra) ka diya hua rasta ikhtiyar karo.

Is mamley "muttah " par mein pehlay bhi kayi baar baat kar chuk- hoon.Kayi jaga parh kar yehi nateeja hey khe yeh halaal nahin.

Quran ki bhi agr sirf ek ayat parh lou tu sahi samajh nahin aati jab tak key poori tafseel parh li na jaye(kuch ayataein aisi bhi hein)

Issi tarahan sey bukhari aur muslim ki kitabon ko mana jata hey liken un mein bhi shayed kuch hadeesein zayif hein ya phir kuch hadeeson ko samajhney key liye unkey likhney ki waja aur waqt ko samjhna zaroori hey.Meinney issi liye is par koi baat nahin ki.

Liken apni pehlay (page 1) par kuch aisi hadeesein aur ayatein tafseel sey batayein hein jo muslim or bukhari sey hi hein jin mein sey ek yeh hey:

ä˜ÇÍ ˜ی یÀ ÞÓã ÝÊÍ ã˜À ˜ÿ ÓÇá Êیä Ïä ˜ÿ áیÿ ÌÇÆÒ ˜ی Æí ʪی ¡ ªÑ ÈÚÏ ãیŸ ÇÓ Óÿ ãäÚ ˜Ñ ÏیÇ íÇ ÇæÑÞیÇãÊ Ê˜ ÍÑÇã ˜Ñ Ïی Æí ¡ ÇÓ ˜ی Ïáیá ãÓáã ÔÑیÝ ˜ی ÍÏیË ãیŸ ãæÌæÏ Àÿ : Ïی˜ªیŸ ÕÍیÍ ãÓáã ÍÏیË äãÈÑ ( 1406 ) ۔

Rahi baat dosri,mujhey tu khud samajh nahin aarahi mein yahan par jab sahih muslim or bukhari ki hadeesein batat hoon tu kuch dost

issi forum par kehtay hein "kiya aap ko lagta hey hum bukhari /muslim par yaqeen rakhtey hein"...

phir mein jab Quran sey koi baat ley aaon tu ab aap yeh keh rahey hein khe muslim/bukhari mein dekhein.

(Kheir,is ka zikr mein ney apni shuran ki posts mein kar diya hey.Aap chahein tu parh lein ya shayed parh liya hoga(page 1 par)

Dost,mein behas nahin kar rah,mein tu bata rah hoon khe yeh jo baat "muttah" ki nikli hey yeh pichlay itney saloon mein kahan gayib thi.Agr nikli bhi hey tu halaal nahin hey.Yeh burayi tu pehla hi rahi hey ,us key saath yeh poorey muashray ko apni lapeet mein ley rahi hey.

Filhaal is sey uthney wali burayein or kharabiyan ko shayed mein biyan nahin kar parah-.Liken inshaAllah,agr Allah ney himmat aur haunsla diya tu ek din zaroor.

Meri tu sirf guzarish hey khe Quran ki ayaton sey yeh baat poori sabit hojati hey khe yeh halaal nahin.

Yeh ek nayi bidat hey jo sirf insaani khawahishaat poori karney key liye amal mein layi gayi hey.Aap sirf un ayaton ko parhein tu samajh aajaye gi

Jo baat Quran sey wazih taur par sabit hojaye,humein kiya zarorat hey khe phir bhi us ki talaash kartey rahein.Agr woh baat samajh mein na aaye,ya humein samjhney mein mushkil hou tu phir tu humein lazman baaqi jagon sey madad leni parti hey.

Dost lata-lluq honey ko na bolo.Aap ko pata hou ga "khali dimag shaitaan ka ghar hota hey". ^_^ Aur waisey hi shaitaan koi aisa waqt nahin chorta jab kisi tareeqay sey behka ley...

Allah hum sab ko apney hifz-o-amaan mein rakhey...Ameen :)

(wasalam)

bhai jaan maine aap ko QURAN se bhi mutta sabit kar diya ha or main ne apni sabse pehli post main ahle sunnt ki motabar tareen tafaseer ke hawale lagaye the jinho ne mana ha ke ye ayyat , ayyat e mutta ha or is ki NASHIK ayyat nazil nahi hoi yani mutta ke bare main yehi Allah ka akhri hukam ha is ke ilawa bhi maine aap ki last post main apki shakayat door kar di thi is ke bad bhi aap mutta ko haram kehte ho to ye zid ke siwa khuch nahi ha.

or ab aap ye keh rahe ho ke bukhari or muslim main bhi sahi ahadees nahi hain to is par main kiya kahoon jo hadeeseen or rawayat main pesh ki hain wo bukhari muslim main he nahi balke takreeban aap ki sabh kutab main hain or sath sath shiya kutub main bhi ab itni kasrat se aye hoi rawayat ko ghalt kehne ka kiya matlab or wase bhi rawayat ko ghalt sabit karne ke liye us ki sanad ko ghalt sabit karna hota ha agar aap ghalt sabit kar sakte ho to karo.

akheri baat apne ye kahi he jab aap bukhari or muslim se bat karte ho to koi nahi manta or ab main quran se bhi bat nahi karna chah raha to mere bhai maine aap ko quran se mutta sabit kar diya ha par aap abhi tak koi tasali bakhsh jawab nahi de sake us ka or bukhari muslim aap ke liye kabil e hujat ha hamare liye nahi hamare liye quran or hamare hadees ki kitabeen hujat rakhteen hain aap ko maine pehli post main bhi manazre ka asool btaya tha ke manazre main daleel mukhalif ki kitaab se di jati ha agar aap bukhari se daleel do ge to koi shia nahi mane ga isi tarhan agar koi shia asool e kafi se daleel de ga to sunni nahi mane ga, aai samajh?????.

bari mazarat ke sath kehta hoon ke mujhe aap ki kisi bhi post main koi khas daleel nazar nahi aai zara koshish kareen ke post us waqt kareen jab koi daleel ho or zid se kaam na leen.

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ä˜ÇÍ ˜ی یÀ ÞÓã ÝÊÍ ã˜À ˜ÿ ÓÇá Êیä Ïä ˜ÿ áیÿ ÌÇÆÒ ˜ی Æí ʪی ¡ ªÑ ÈÚÏ ãیŸ ÇÓ Óÿ ãäÚ ˜Ñ ÏیÇ íÇ ÇæÑÞیÇãÊ Ê˜ ÍÑÇã ˜Ñ Ïی Æí ¡ ÇÓ ˜ی Ïáیá ãÓáã ÔÑیÝ ˜ی ÍÏیË ãیŸ ãæÌæÏ Àÿ : Ïی˜ªیŸ ÕÍیÍ ãÓáã ÍÏیË äãÈÑ ( 1406 ) ۔

sunnion ki sachi or jhooti kitabon ka faisla ap log khud karain

"The first to make Mut'ah haraam was Umar"

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Umar in a sermon said, during the life of Rasulullah, two types of Mut'ah existed, I prohibit them and shall punish those that do it.

Ahkam al Quran al Jasas, Surah Nisa, Chapter: Mutah

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First of all, I apologize for posting in English on an Urdu forum, but my Urdu typing is really bad :P

If anyone wants to reply to my post they can do so in Urdu if they wish since I'll understand it, but don't expect my reply to be in Urdu too ;)

You do know that you're calling something the Prophet(pbuh) allowed and our Imams allowed "manhoos". I agree with you that Muta is not so appropriate for our time (but for different reasons than you, I think that the original reasons for Mutah no longer apply to us, and nowadays it's just getting abused by lustful guys taking advantage of women), but no Shia, even anti-muta ones, should call it "manhoos".

And really it all comes down to that, it's jaiz and will be until a marja disallows it or something. As for the hypocrite lawyers you know, it's best to ignore them because they're hypocrites for a reason. Also, introduce them to the concept of Nikah Misyar, which is allowed in Sunni Islam, they may be stunned to find out how similar it is to Nikah Muta.

You did post a huge post, but it was from a wahabi reference. I mean they're throwing out the term "rafidi", when referring to Shias, like it's no one's business, you can't honestly expect Shias to take that seriously.

Again, apologize for no Urdu.

i am glad i am not the only one who can read but cant type lol anyways i posted this in another thread so thought i would just copy/paste it here maybe you will take these sources seriously but since they are only sayings of imams (as) and not fatwas of marjas i dont really expect anyone to

Amirul Mua'minin said: Prophet (s.a.w) forbade on the day of khaiber the meat of donkeys and mut'ah marriages.

(At-tahdheeb 2/186, Al-Istbsaar 2/142 & Wasael Al-Shia 14/144)

It was narrated by Abdullah Bin Senan said : I asked Imam Jafar Sadiq about Mut'ah and he said: "Don't filthy (defile) your self with it"

(Bihaar Al-Anwar 100/318).

Narrated by A'maar: Imam Jafar Sadiq said to me and to Suliman Bin Khaled: "I made Mut'ah Haram on you"

(Furoo AlKafi 2/48 & Wasaeel Shia 14/450).

Also he (Imam Jafar Sadiq(saw) used to rebuke and warn his companions against mut'ah

…… (Furoo 2/44), (Wasael Alshia 1/450)

Ali bin Yaqteen asked Imam Ali about Mut'ah and he answered : "What is mutah? and what has that got to do with you? Allah had compensated you with something much better" (he meant legal marraige)

(Furoo 2/43), (Wasael Al-shia 14/449).

Abdullah Bin Umair said to Imam Mohammad Baqir :Is it acceptable to you that your women, daughters, sisters, daughters of your aunties to do mutah? Abu Ja'far rebuked him when he mentioned his women and daughters of his aunties.

(Al-Furoo 2/42 & At-tahdheeb 2/186)

The Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h.) said: " Certainly, Allah, Almighty and Glorious, dislikes or curses any man or woman whose intention of divorce or marriage is merely tasting the pleasure of it."

Al-Kafi, vol. 6, p. 54

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i am glad i am not the only one who can read but cant type lol anyways i posted this in another thread so thought i would just copy/paste it here maybe you will take these sources seriously but since they are only sayings of imams (as) and not fatwas of marjas i dont really expect anyone to

Amirul Mua'minin said: Prophet (s.a.w) forbade on the day of khaiber the meat of donkeys and mut'ah marriages.

(At-tahdheeb 2/186, Al-Istbsaar 2/142 & Wasael Al-Shia 14/144)

It was narrated by Abdullah Bin Senan said : I asked Imam Jafar Sadiq about Mut'ah and he said: "Don't filthy (defile) your self with it"

(Bihaar Al-Anwar 100/318).

Narrated by A'maar: Imam Jafar Sadiq said to me and to Suliman Bin Khaled: "I made Mut'ah Haram on you"

(Furoo AlKafi 2/48 & Wasaeel Shia 14/450).

Also he (Imam Jafar Sadiq(saw) used to rebuke and warn his companions against mut'ah

…… (Furoo 2/44), (Wasael Alshia 1/450)

Ali bin Yaqteen asked Imam Ali about Mut'ah and he answered : "What is mutah? and what has that got to do with you? Allah had compensated you with something much better" (he meant legal marraige)

(Furoo 2/43), (Wasael Al-shia 14/449).

Abdullah Bin Umair said to Imam Mohammad Baqir :Is it acceptable to you that your women, daughters, sisters, daughters of your aunties to do mutah? Abu Ja'far rebuked him when he mentioned his women and daughters of his aunties.

(Al-Furoo 2/42 & At-tahdheeb 2/186)

The Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h.) said: " Certainly, Allah, Almighty and Glorious, dislikes or curses any man or woman whose intention of divorce or marriage is merely tasting the pleasure of it."

Al-Kafi, vol. 6, p. 54

INCREASE YOUR KNOWLEDGE FOR THIS SUNNI RESEARCH :)

The Sahih Sita confirm that Ibn Abbas deemed Mut'ah halaal.

Sahih Bukhari, Arabic-English, v7, Hadith #51

Sahih Muslim, English version, v2, chapter DXLI (titled: Temporary Marriage), Tradition #3261

Sahih Muslim Sharh Nawawi Volume 1 page 52

Sunan Kabeera Volume 7 p 215 Kitab Nikah

Tafseer Durre Manthur Volume 2 page 41

"Narrated Abu Jamra: I heard Ibn Abbas (giving a verdict) when he was asked about the Mut'ah with the women, and he permitted it (Nikah al-Mut'ah). On that a freed slave of his said to him, "That is only when it is very badly needed and (qualified permanent) women are scarce, or similar cases." On that, Ibn Abbas said, "Yes."

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We have seen that many prominent Sahabah and Sunni Ulema believed in the legitimacy of Nikah al Mutah and some of them personally performed it as well.

They include

  • Ibn Abbas [ra],
  • Ali [as],
  • Jabir bin Abdullah,
  • Imran bin Hussain,
  • Saleem bin Umayya,
  • Abdullah ibn Umar,
  • Muawiyah,
  • Asma Bint Abu Bakar.
  • Ata,
  • Tawus, Saeed bin Jubayr,
  • Ibn Jurayj.

One of the important sources of guidance in any Sect is Hadeeth and this source is obtained from the principle books of a school and these books contain reliable narrators (sahabah and Tabaeen) who narrate the hadeeth the hadeeth forms the basis on which a Sects position on matter is formulated. The belief of a sect depends wholly on those narrators that are deemed pious and authentic.

The aforesaid notable names are not only revered in Sunni Islam they are also key narrators of the six canonical Sunni works (the Saha Sittah). If we remove these names from the Saha Satta then what will be left of the Sunni Sect?

Let us elaborate on this by asking hardcore Nawasib like Sipah e Sahabah and Ansar.org etc who define Mutah as adultery, what will they choose from the following options that they have been left with.

Option One: the above cited personalities were Shiah that's believed in Nikah al Mutah?

Nawasib will never going accept this option since:

a. it will make their whole school dependent on Shia people.

b. Believing in Mikah al Mutah does not make one a Shia theer are many other things connected to it.

Option Two: They were adulterers, or the supporters of adultery (naudobillah)?

This will mean that school of Nawasib like that of Sipah e Sahabah and Ansar.org etc has been shaped by adulterers. If this is indeed the case why do they demand respect for the likes of Muawyah who contracted mutah during his reign?

Option Three: Mutah is Halal and it was Umar that forbade it during his reign according to his own testimony. Hadith that refer to the prohibition of Mutah were fabricated by his adherents in order to save him from the sin of making that which was Halal, haram.

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muje bohat khushi ha mere uthaye hoe is sawal per bohat tafseel se tamam members ne apni knowledge share ki .

lakin mera asher se ik sawal ha k muje sirf ye bata den k ayet e muta to ap ki kitabon se bhi sabit ha k mutta ke liyea hi utari gayi thi lakin ap ye bata do k ap logon ke mutabiq ye rasool SAW ke zamane me hi haram qarar de diya gaya tha to Allah ne quran me is ko haram qarar dene per ayet kiun nahi utari wese to sharab sood juoa tamam akhlaqi buraion ko quran haram qarar de raha ha to phir ik aese mamle per khamosh kiun ha jis ki favoure me wo ayet pesh ker chuka ho agar kisi bhi amal ka haram hona sirf qol e rasool SAW se hi sabit ho jana hota to sharab or sood or joa jesi buraion ke liyea bhi quran ko bolne ki kia zaroorat thi, doosri bat ye k agar rasool SAW ke dor me is ko haram qarar de diya gaya tha to phir umar ibnil khitab ko ye ilzam apne sar lene ki kia zaroorat thi kia rasool SAW ka hukam musalmano ki samajh me nahi asaka tha ya Abu bakar apne dor me is per qaboo na pa sake the jo UMAR ibnil khitab ko is mamle me action lene ki zaroorat parhi thi

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INCREASE YOUR KNOWLEDGE FOR THIS SUNNI RESEARCH :)

The Sahih Sita confirm that Ibn Abbas deemed Mut'ah halaal.

Sahih Bukhari, Arabic-English, v7, Hadith #51

Sahih Muslim, English version, v2, chapter DXLI (titled: Temporary Marriage), Tradition #3261

Sahih Muslim Sharh Nawawi Volume 1 page 52

Sunan Kabeera Volume 7 p 215 Kitab Nikah

Tafseer Durre Manthur Volume 2 page 41

"Narrated Abu Jamra: I heard Ibn Abbas (giving a verdict) when he was asked about the Mut'ah with the women, and he permitted it (Nikah al-Mut'ah). On that a freed slave of his said to him, "That is only when it is very badly needed and (qualified permanent) women are scarce, or similar cases." On that, Ibn Abbas said, "Yes."

in case you hadnt noticed i am not sunni and i dont take my iman from enemies of Aimma Masoomeen (as) so i dont really care whether or not the enemies of Aimma Masoomeen (as) say it is halal however the fact that it is "halal" according to them is an even stronger proof that it is totally haram bec whatever the Aimma Masoomeen (as) said was haram they always did the opposite of that

We have seen that many prominent Sahabah and Sunni Ulema believed in the legitimacy of Nikah al Mutah and some of them personally performed it as well.

They include

  • Ibn Abbas [ra],
  • Ali [as],
  • Jabir bin Abdullah,
  • Imran bin Hussain,
  • Saleem bin Umayya,
  • Abdullah ibn Umar,
    [*]Muawiyah,
  • Asma Bint Abu Bakar.
  • Ata,
  • Tawus, Saeed bin Jubayr,
  • Ibn Jurayj.

people are proud of being the followers of the sunnah of the likes of muawiayah (la) and still have the audacity to call themselves "shia" what is this world coming to Ya Imam (afs) adrikni

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We have seen that many prominent Sahabah and Sunni Ulema believed in the legitimacy of Nikah al Mutah and some of them personally performed it as well.

They include

(bismillah)

(salam)

Dost lagta hey aap khud hi is maamley mein uljhey huey hou.

Mujhey tu samajh nahin aarahi aap saboot halaal honey ki kahan sey la rahey hein.Kabhi aap ek taraf hotey hein tu agli baar dosri taraf jhuk jatey hein. :(

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muje bohat khushi ha mere uthaye hoe is sawal per bohat tafseel se tamam members ne apni knowledge share ki .

lakin mera asher se ik sawal ha k muje sirf ye bata den k ayet e muta to ap ki kitabon se bhi sabit ha k mutta ke liyea hi utari gayi thi lakin ap ye bata do k ap logon ke mutabiq ye rasool SAW ke zamane me hi haram qarar de diya gaya tha to Allah ne quran me is ko haram qarar dene per ayet kiun nahi utari wese to sharab sood juoa tamam akhlaqi buraion ko quran haram qarar de raha ha to phir ik aese mamle per khamosh kiun ha jis ki favoure me wo ayet pesh ker chuka ho agar kisi bhi amal ka haram hona sirf qol e rasool SAW se hi sabit ho jana hota to sharab or sood or joa jesi buraion ke liyea bhi quran ko bolne ki kia zaroorat thi, doosri bat ye k agar rasool SAW ke dor me is ko haram qarar de diya gaya tha to phir umar ibnil khitab ko ye ilzam apne sar lene ki kia zaroorat thi kia rasool SAW ka hukam musalmano ki samajh me nahi asaka tha ya Abu bakar apne dor me is per qaboo na pa sake the jo UMAR ibnil khitab ko is mamle me action lene ki zaroorat parhi thi

Jald hi jawab doon g-InshaAllah

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in case you hadnt noticed i am not sunni and i dont take my iman from enemies of Aimma Masoomeen (as) so i dont really care whether or not the enemies of Aimma Masoomeen (as) say it is halal however the fact that it is "halal" according to them is an even stronger proof that it is totally haram bec whatever the Aimma Masoomeen (as) said was haram they always did the opposite of that

people are proud of being the followers of the sunnah of the likes of muawiayah (la) and still have the audacity to call themselves "shia" what is this world coming to Ya Imam (afs) adrikni

you have't yet provied a storng prove which shows that mutta is decleared haram by aima if you have read the link which is given by the mikayle you will know that a the rawayaats you have posted are decleared zaeef or they do not prove that mutta is decleared haram.

if you have't yet read read it. read from the following link.

http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/mutah/en/chap11.php

Jald hi jawab doon g-InshaAllah

aap ab bhi apni us behas baraye behas ko countinue rakhna chah rahe ho kiya???????

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hamari mustanad kitabon me mutta ka bohat clear ahkamat milte han or baz books me jese haq ul yaqeen or shafi jese books me yahan tuk likha ha k mutta kerne wala hazrat ali or hazrat muhammad SAW jesa maqam pai ga to phir hamare yahan is topic per bat kerna bhi zaroori nahi samjha jata or koi baap apni beti or koi bhai apni bhan k liye mutta ko pasaand nahi kerta .to phir sunnion ka ye kehna sahi ha k mutta ik fahsh amal ha jis ko shia mazhab halal kehta ha or agar halal kehta ha to phir apni mao behno k liye khule dil se qabool kiun nahi kerta

Read This.....

Mutah Marriage http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/muta/

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ap ka jald kuch ziyada hi late ho gaya ha

:!!!: :!!!: :!!!:

Mein mazrat khawa hoon,inshaAllah...thora sa waqt aur....Umeed hey kam sey kam jawab itna hoga jo is baat ko sabit kar dey (matlab aap ko mut min kar dey)key muttah pehlay zaroor tha liken ab yeh haraam hey....

(Mein kooshish karon g,agey Allah meray is amal mein barkat daley... B)

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(bismillah)

(salam)

Aaj mein kooshish karo g-,jaisa key mein ney kaha tha.Jitna hosaka mujh sey ,inshaAllah.

Liken us sey pehlay yeh zaroor parhna ,umeed hey aap ko angreezi samjtey huey koi mushkil nahin hogi ^_^

Muslim Spouse selection ( Only this relation would be here and in heaven )

Once there was a very handsome, pious, well educated young man, whose parents emphasized for him to get married. They had seen so many marriage proposals, and he had turned them all down. The parents thought it was becoming a little ridiculous or suspected that he may have someone else in mind.

However every time the parentsleft the girls house, the young man would always say "she's not the one!" The young man only wanted a girl who was religious and practicing. (Which was hard to find). However one evening his mother arranged for him, to meet a girl, who was religious and practicing.

On that evening, the young man and girlwere left to talk and ask each other question (as one would expect). The young man, being a gentleman that, he was allowed, young ladyto ask first.

Young girl asked the young man so many questions. She asked about his life, his education, his friends, his family, his habits, his hobbies, his lifestyle, his enjoyment, his time pass, his experiences, his shoe size and his likes and dislikes. Basically everything!

And the young manreplied to all of her questions, without tiring and politely with a smile. Young girl took up nearly all of the time, over an hour and felt bad and asked the young man do you have any questions?

Young man said, yes, only have 3 questions...

Young girl thought, wow, only 3 questions okay, go ahead and shoot.

Young man's first question was,

(1) Who do you love the most in the world, someone who's love nothing would ever overcome? She said,this is an easy question! Answer to your question is my mother.

Young man smiled and asked second question, (2) You said that you read a lot of Qur'an, could you tell me which Surahs you know the meaning of? Hearing this she went red and embarrassed and said I do not know the meaning of any yet, but I am hoping to soon Inshallah I have just been a bit busy.

The third question the young man asked, was (3) I have been approached for my hand in marriage, by girls that are lot more prettier than you, why should I marry you? Hearing this, the young girl was outraged, she stormed off to her parents with fury and said I do not want to marry this man he is insulting my beauty and intelligence.

And the young man and his parents were once again, left without an agreement of marriage. This time, the young man's parentswere really angry and said what did you do to anger that young girl, the family was so nice and pleasant, and they were religious like you wanted. What did you ask the girl? Tell us!

Young man said, firstly I asked her,who do you love the most? She said,her mother. The parents said so, what is wrong with that?

Young man said, "no one, is Muslim, until he loves Allah (SWT) and his Messenger Salelahu Alaiwasalaam more than anyone else in the world. " If a woman loves Allah (SWT) and Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) more than anyone, she will love me and respect me and stay faithful to me, because of that love and fear for Allah (SWT). And we can share this love, because this love is greater than lust for beauty.

Young man said, then I asked, you read a lot of Holy Qur'an, can you tell me the meaning of any Surah? And she said no. because I haven't had time yet. So I remembered the saying of Imam Shafi'i, "All humans are dead except those who have knowledge ... And all those who have knowledge are asleep, except those who do good deeds .. And those who do good are deceived, except those who are sincere ... And those who are sincere are always in a state of worry (for others)."

She has lived 20 yearson this earth and not found any time, to seek knowledge, why would I marry a woman, who does not know her rights and responsibilities and what will she teach my children, except how to be negligent, because the woman is the Madrasah (school) and the best of teachers. And a woman, who has no time for Allah (SWT), will not have time for her husband.

The third question I asked her was, that a lot of girls, more prettier than her, had approached me for marriage, why should I choose her? That is why she stormed off, getting angry.

Young man's parentssaid that is a horrible thing to say, why would you do such a thing; we are going back there to apologize. Young man said I said this on purpose, to test whether she could control her anger.

Holy Prophet Muhammad Salelahu Alaiwasalaam said "Do not get angry, do not get angry, do not get angry" repeatedly when asked how to become pious, because anger is from Satan.

if a woman cannot control her anger with a stranger she just met, do you think she will be able to control it with her husband?

So, the moral of this story is, a marriage is based on: Knowledge not looks, Practice not preaching, Forgiveness not anger, Spiritual love not lust and compromise!

One should look for a person who (1)Has love for Allah (SWT) and his Messenger(2) Has knowledge of the deen (religion), and can act upon it(3) can control her anger and another important and crucial factor that she be (4)willing to compromise.

And it goes both ways, so women seeking a man, should look for the same things.

May Allah (SWT) make every marriage a success and let us create Love for Allah and his Messenger Salelahu Alaiwasalaam so that Allah (SWT) can bless us, and create love in our lives.

Holy Prophet Muhammad Salelahu Alaiwasalaam Says,

There is no better structure founded in Islam other than marriage.

May Allah accept our good deeds, Forgive our sins, and purify our hearts to gain succes in this world and the hereafter ! Aamen .

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Mein itni jaldi jawab nahin dena chaht th-,Liken agr ziyada

ruk- tu shayed yeh aap ka sawaal yehi reh jaye.Mein kooshish kar rah- hoon,

agey aap ney khud is par gur-o-fikr karna hey aur sach ko jananey ki kooshish bhi karni hey.

Kayi sawaal uthein gey,mujhey kayi jawab bhi milein gi.Liken in ka jawab ab aap khud dhondein Allah ki madad sey,Apni kooshish sey

takey mein bhi aap sab sey kuch seekh sakon.

Shuran kart- hoon :

Qurani ayat par janey sey pehlay mein aap ko insaan ki sooch key mutabiq bataney ki kooshish karon g-.

Aur yeh mutah kaisey ek poorey muashrey ko apni lapeet mein ley kar tabah kar dey ga jaisey key kaafi sawaal hein is par bhi?

Ek baat aur mein mazrat-khawa hoon mein shayed kuch angreezi key lafz darmiyan mein istimaal kar loon kiyun key mujhey urdu mein sarey lafzoon key maani nahin aatey

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30. Tell the believing men to lower their gaze, and protect their private parts . That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All-Aware of what they do.

31. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze ...

(Verse number 30 and 31 of Surah Nur)

Urdu mein parhney key liye yeh site dekhein :

http://pakquran.com/quranslides1.asp?surah=24&ayat=30

And complete English translation of surah nur:

http://quranexplorer.com/index/Sura_024_Al_Noor_THE_LIGHT.aspx

Ab agr aap ayat 30 aur 31 par gaur karein tu pehlay mardon ko hukum hey key apni nazrein neechi rakhein

aur phir aurtoon ko.

Mardoon ka hukum aurat sey pehlay aaya hey nigah neechi rakhney ka.

Is ka ek pehlou yeh bhi hey (jaisa key mein ney seekha) aur science nye bhi issey sabit kiya hey khe

mard key andar sexual arousal aurat sey ziyada hota hey.

(Man has more sexual arousal in him than women)

Yeh sexual arousal jaisey hi mard apni baloogat ki taraf barhta jata hey barta rehta hey.

jis ki waja sey us ka aurat ki taraf khinchao ziyada hota hey.

Aurat apney andar ka sexual arousal bardaashta kar sakti hey liken mard mein chunkey iski miqdaar ziyada hoti hey tu

yeh us key liye bhut mushkil hota hey.Is ka matlab usey apney nafs par poora qaboo pana hota hey takey woh kisi ghalat

taraf na chala jaye.

Agr aap nafsiyaat(pshycology)parhein tu is mein aap ko is ka poora parhney ko miley ga.

Mutah ka abhi kuch shia ulema ney ijazat di?

Kiya waja thi.Unkey mutabiq takey muashrey mein ill-legal(boyfriend/girlfriend) aurat aur mard ka milap na hou.

Mutah hey kiya?Sirf ek contract.Jis mein larki aur larka kuch waqt key liye saath rehtay hein.

Ab aap batayein key is contract ka maqsad kiya hey?

insaan apney nafs par qaboo nahin pa sakta aur is nafs key ilaj key liye mutah ka concept samny la kar rakh diya gaya.

Phir aap hi batayein hazrat Ali ki yeh baat kahan gayi ?

" To fight against one's desires is the greatest of all fights. "

Mutah ka concept girlfriend/boyfriend key concept sey kuch mukhtalif nahin.

Chunkey jaisey hi larka ya larki baloogat (maturity stage)mein aatey hein unkey andar

sex hormones teezi sey barhna shuran hojatey hein.yeh aisa waqt hey jis mein sunbhalney ki bhut zaroorat hoti hey

Aur agr issi waqt mein apney nafs par qaboo na rakha gay tu it's absolute khe larka ya larki kisi ghalat cheiz ki taraf chaley jayein gey.

Girlfriend-boyfriend kuch waqt key liye saath hotey hein.Phir kisi baat par ya kisi aur waja sey un ka rishta khatam hojata hey

Aur us key baat ek naya qissa.Ek larka yeh keh kar itna khush hota hey khe meray pass 15 girlfriends hein B)

Mujhey jahan tak ilm hey mutah mein koi umr ki limitation nahin.Matlab 14/15 saal ka larka bhi kar sakta hey.

Tu ek 14/15 saal key larkey kou mutah ki kiya zaroorat?Kiyun jaisa key mein ney pehlay bataya us key andar sex hormones barhna shuran ho chukey hotey hein.

Aur aurat dil ka sakoon hey(Quran kehta hey).Jab woh mutah mein jata hey ,ussey ek larki sey baat karney ka mauqa milta hey jis sey uskey nafs ko koi mushkilaat nahin hotein.

Aur jab woh chahye ek mutah ko chaur kar dosrey ki taraf ja sakta hey.Kiyun?

Sirf apney nafs ki khatir.Ek sachey musalmaan ko jo quran ko samjhta hey woh in cheeizon key bajaye direct shaadi ki taraf jata hey.

Shaadi hi ek paakeza rishta hey.Shaadi ko agr kisi ney kheil samjha tu phir Allah us ka hami-o-nasir hey.

LiKEN Mutah ki waja hi yehi hey.Sirf nafs ki khatir.

because the time of maturity usually girl and boys are attracted to each other

as opposite attracts.So just in order to bring it towards an islamic concept

shia scholars legalised it.

See what happened then?boyfriend/girlfriend concepts end and mutah concepts start.

Even if a youngster is in contact with a girl/boy,he/she will say i am in legalised thing that is

"mutah".

Liken ek baat ko bhool gaye jaisay khe mein nay uppar bataya bhi sab sey bara jihad nafs ka jihad hey.

mutah mein teenagers(below 20)bhi hein.yeh woh waqt hey jis mein jitna unko in cheeizon ki taraf mayil kiya gaya,

unka mind setup chnage hojaye ga aur unhein is mein lizzat (maza)aaney lagey ga.

I already told when person is growing sex hormones increase and internally all changes takes place.

Ab ek misaal aur ,america/european mulkoon mein aap ney dekha hoga larka/larki kitna saath rehta hein kiyun key wahan girlfriend/bf ka concept aam hey.

is key ilawa un ko scholoon mein baqiyada sex ki taleem di jati hey.Us key ilawa net/tv par sex ki baatein aam hoti hein.

Jis ki waja sey un ka nan-na dimag us mein laz-zat hasil karney lagta hey aur jab woh apni 20's (is age tak phunchtey hein un ka

dimag ,un ka jism is cheeiz ka aadi hochuka hota hey.Aur un key liye yeh sab kuch bardaasht karna asaan nahin hota.

Aaj yehi waja hey khe america mein crime rate sab sey ziyada hey.Rape cases,abortion cases bhut ziyada.

Un ki nasal tabah hoti ja rahi hey.Aisa kayi aur qissay hein jin ko sun key roongtey kharey hojatey hein.un mein ab

maan-baap ki tameez nhain rahi.

(Ek baat aur : jab mard aurat key qareeb jata hey tu hormones teezi sey barhna shuranhojatey hein ek aurat key jism mein.for this i will ask you to read

"resproduction" .Mein yahan itna nahin discuss karn- chaht kiyun key kayi aur bachey bhi is forum ko parhney aatey hein.Aur mera khiyal yeh hey khe jab tak

ek bacha cheeizon ko sahi tareeqay sey samjhna shuran na hojaye jitna hosakey us ko daur rakhna chahiye aur samjhana chahiye)

Reproduction ko choor key bhi "jab mard aurat key sirf paas bhi jata hey ,larki key jism key andar hormones teezi sey barhnay lagtey hein".

Yeh saara concept halaal sirf shaadi key baad hey.Mutah jaisi cheeiz muashrey ko wehshi aur jungli bana dey gi.

Aaj agr haiti,chile mein zalzaley aarahey hein tu in ki ek sab sey bari waja yeh khe wahan hudd sey ziyada burayein hein.

Agr yeh musalmaanon mein phelney lagein tu woh waqt daur nahin jab musalmaan mulkoon mein bhi zalzaaley hongey.

Pehlay hi muslim duniya zawaal ka shikar hey.

Ab mein aap ko ek revert (jo musalmaan)huein unka mutah key baarey mein kiya nazraya hey batat-

hoon:"Temporary marriage known as "Nikah Al-Mut'a" was allowed in the early days of islam in cases

of necessirty,but the prophet (pbuh) finally prohibited it totally.

This was a marriage agreed upon by the woman for only a short period of time usually for a few days.

today temporary marriage are not recognized and completely forbidden"

[from "veil of dignity "....book you can order for free from this site : http://www.islamunveiled.org/eng/modules.php?name=free_books ]

Is sab key baat mein ab qurani ayatein jo key mein ney shuran key post mein bhi likhein thi,

us key ilawa kuch aur ayatein :

1)

"Made lawful to you this day are At­Tayyibât [all kinds of Halâl (lawful) foods, which Allâh has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, etc., milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits, etc.). The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals, etc.) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. (Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time, when you have given their due Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), desiring chastity (i.e. taking them in legal wedlock) not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girl-friends. And whosoever disbelieves in the Oneness of Allâh and in all the other Articles of Faith [i.e. His (Allâh's), Angels, His Holy Books, His Messengers, the Day of Resurrection and Al­Qadar (Divine Preordainments)], then fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers.

ayat number 5 (surah mayida)urdu mein :

http://pakquran.com/quranslides1.asp?surah=5&ayat=5

2)

" And it is He Who has created man from water, and has appointed for him kindred by blood, and kindred by marriage. And your Lord is Ever All-Powerful to do what He will. "

Ayat number 54 surah furqan urdu mein:

http://pakquran.com/quranslides1.asp?surah=25&ayat=54

3)

"And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses, etc.) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect, etc.) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise. ..........

Ayat number 228 surah baqarah urdu mein:

http://pakquran.com/quranslides1.asp?surah=2&ayat=228

4)

"34. Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allâh has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allâh and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allâh orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). ...........

Ayat number 34 surah al-nisa urdu mein :

http://pakquran.com/quranslides1.asp?surah=4&ayat=34

is key ilawa bhi bhut ayatein hein.Jo is baat ko zahir kar deti hein key mutah haraam hey.

Agr Umar (radi-alla-unhu) ney is ka khatma kiya tha tu Ali (radi-alla-unhu) key daur mein unhon ney waapis shuran kiyun nahin kar diya?

Is ko khatam huzoor (pbuh) ney hi kar diya tha.Ali Umar key baad aaye they.Aur woh huzoor (pbuh) sey ziyada muhabbat karney walon mein sey they.

Is ki baqiyada hadeesein aur qurani ayatein maujood hein.Jo mahr key barey mein batati hein. ^_^

Mahr key baarey mein bhut ayatein milein gi.Surah Nisa(jis ka matlab hi aurat hey) parhein,Surah Nur.Is key ilawa bhi kaafi ayatein milein gi.

Faraq sir itna hey khe "ayaton" ka ghalat matlab ley kar aur umar (radi-alla-unhu) ka concept ley kar mutah ko haalal kar diya.

Is key baarey mein mein apni shuran ki post mein bata chuk- hoon.

Ab faisla aap key hath mein hey.Mein ney jo kaha ,jo mujhey sikhaya gaya.

I mgiht be wrong at some points.I don't ask you to stick to this.But i want you to go ahead and search

.Kooshish karein,parhein aur Allah sey madad mangein kiyun seedha rasta woh dikhaya ga.

Do your own research and reach to a conclusion.I have shown a way now it's up to you to search and decide.

Misrepresentation spoils narration.-Said HAZRAT Ali (radi-alla-unhu).

I hope my representation was good.i tried my best to show you all the way.

Oh Allah :angel:

(Quran mein sab kuch hey.Sirf parhney aur samajhney ki zaroorat hey.Aap ko apney her sawaal ka jawab miley ga wahan par)

Filhaal tu nahin,liken agr agey Allah ney thori aur aqal aur haunsal diya tu umeed hey is key baarey mein aur likhon.InshaAllah.Shayed :lol:

(wasalam)

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I will give you story very recently in newspaper .See how the people are getting spoiled in west.It's because from child-hood they get this thing :

-A Teesside woman who had sex almost 200 times with a 12-year-old boy has been jailed for nine years.

-Children are being increasingly exposed to sexual imagery and their parents have limited opportunities to stop it, a report for the Home Office warns.The report said this "drip-drip" exposure was distorting young people's perceptions of themselves, encouraging boys to become fixated on being macho and dominant, while girls in turn presented themselves as sexually available and permissive.

One outcome had been the rise of sexual bullying in which girls felt compelled to post topless or naked pictures on social networks, it added.

Both the images we consume and the way we consume them are lending credence to the idea that women are there to be used and that men are there to use them

(wasalam)

Think before it's too late & no doors of repentance remain opened

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Ek baat aur is forum par kayi aisey log maujood hein jo musalmaan nahin.Woh aatey hein musalmaan ban kar liken asal mein hein islam ke dushman.

Aur woh poori kooshish karein gey key sach aap tak na phunchey.Woh chahatey hein nahin islam pehlay.

Is forum mein yeh baat bhut ziyada hey.Yahan par jo cheeiz asal hey(authentic)dhoondna asaan nahin .Agr banda islam ko parh raha hey ya samjhna chahta hey(matlab woh abhi musalmaan hua hey) tu mein tu yehi kahon g-,yeh forum(shia chat) us key liye zehar sabit hoga.

Is forum par kuch baatein bhut achi hein liken kuch bilkul bhi nahin.

Aisey logon ka khiyal rakhiye ga... :) Sirf salah thi..Salah meri marzi aap ki B) .

Quran mein aap ko ek ek baat miley gi.Aap ko yeh miley ga key shaadi hey asal paak rishta hey.

Mutah halaal nahin.

Huzoor (pbuh) ki hadees hey : "When a man & a woman are alone Satan is the third one present with them"

Mutah mein kaha jata hey key aisa kuch nahin hey matlab ek poori list hey,liken yeh baat tu sahi hey na key larka/larki akelay hotey hein.[Abu/ammi tu saath honey sey rahey :lol: ]

Aur issi par mabni uppar wali hadees par gaur karein.Yehi waja hogi shayed kuch amman abba bhejtay nahin apni beti ko kisi key saath (mutah )key liye halankey unka iman shia islam par hi hey.

Umeed hey kuch tu asar hoga :cry: meri itni bari post ka...Aye Khuda ! :wub:

(wasalam)

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asher sahb itni lambi dastan parhi is per hame thanks kahin or ap ne likhi is per ap ka thanx ,sirf ik bat ye kahdoon k ap ne jin baton ki wazahat ke liyea ye koshish ki ha to bilkul bekar koshish ki maazrat ke sath neiki or badi ka concept insan ki fitrat me dakhil ker diya gaya ha yahi waja ha k ik bacha bhi jub gunah kerta ha to use chupane ki koshish kerta ha is liyea ap ne jin points ko yahan disscuss kia ha already her insan in baton or nazakton se ashna hota ha or deen ki her bat insan ki fitrat ke ain mutabiq hoti ha ,baqi syed demanding ka jawab malahiza ker lijea bohat tafseeli or jamay jawab ha mutta se muttaliq ,kash ke ap ko Allah deen ki samajh boojh de de ,baton ko ghuma phira ker sawal ka jawab na dene ka kamal ap ko khoob ata ha ,mera ab bhi ap se wahi sawal ha k jub sharab or joa or sood jese mamlat ko quran haram kehta ha or sakhti se mumaniat kerta ha to mutta jo k baqol ap ke zana ha is per itni khamoshi kiun or agar baqol ap ke jo ayeten ap ne mutta ke khilaf pesh ki han to un me saf wazia tareeqay se is ki mumaniat kiun nahi ha ,kia waja ha k quran ias mamle ko clearly mana nahi ker raha ,waja to yahi ha k is ke bare me koi mumaniat ka hukam hi nahi aya tha ,haan lakin jese talaq ik halal amal ha magar bahalat e majboori isi tara mutta bhi halat e majboori ke liyea jaiz ha

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hamari mustanad kitabon me mutta ka bohat clear ahkamat milte han or baz books me jese haq ul yaqeen or shafi jese books me yahan tuk likha ha k mutta kerne wala hazrat ali or hazrat muhammad SAW jesa maqam pai ga to phir hamare yahan is topic per bat kerna bhi zaroori nahi samjha jata or koi baap apni beti or koi bhai apni bhan k liye mutta ko pasaand nahi kerta .to phir sunnion ka ye kehna sahi ha k mutta ik fahsh amal ha jis ko shia mazhab halal kehta ha or agar halal kehta ha to phir apni mao behno k liye khule dil se qabool kiun nahi kerta

Dekho muta jaiz hei. Lekin quwanri larkiya ko muta nahi karna chahiye. Aur baap ke ijazzat ke bina kuwanri larki muta nahi karsakti. Aur rasul ki hadith hei ke koi musalman bap apni kuwanri larki ka muta pasand nahi karta. Kuwanrapan ki kimat baap ziada janta heii, maa se bhi ziada. Aaadmi ko aurat se ziada pata hei larki ka kuwarapan ki kimat. Aap ghaflat me a kar larkiyoon ko ghumra nahi karo. Bohot sare kisse ho chuke he kuwanri larkiyo ke sath jo dhoke me a kar chup chup ke muta karti hei. Aap ghuna ki sharik hoti hei. Muta ka ghalt faida nahi uthao.

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mohtaram asher sahab aap ne to muta ka haram sabit karne ke liye koi daleel dene ke bajaye aise he itni lambi chori farzi kahani suna di or wo bhi aisi kahani jis se is topic ka koi khas link nahi tha maine aise he aap ki itni lambi post par kar apna time zaya kiya or jo aap ne khuch qurani ayyat pesh keen or khuch idhar udhar ki bateen keen un se mutta haram hona kis tarhan sabit hota ha agar aap ye bhi likh dete to behtar hota kaheen aap ne likha jab aurat or mard akele hote hain to sath shetan hota ha , ab is bat se mutta ka haram hona kis tarhan sabit ha wase jab miyan biwi bhi akele hote hoon ge to un ke sath bhi shetan hota ho ga???????????

kher aap ko maine quran se or aap ki motabar tareen kutb se mutta ka hallal hona sabit kar diya tha aap ne us ka koi jawab nahi diya or aise he aqli ghore dora rahe ho aap mujhe simply ye btaoo ke khuda ki hallal ki hoi cheez ko aap haram kar sakte ho agar nahi kar sakte to fuzool main kyun behas kar apna or dosroon ka time wast kar rahe ho or agar kar sakte ho to meri aap se behas fuzool ha aap ki pori post main ik bat he aisi ha jo topic se related ha ke

" agar mutta halaal tha or hazrat umer ne ise haram karaar diya tha to pher hazrat ALI AS ne ise dubaran shoro kyun nahi karwaya"

wase to ye sawaal pochne ka bhi koi khas tok nahi banta kyunke mutta ko quran or hadees se sabit kar diya gya ha kher pher bhi is ka jawab khuch yoon ha.

darasal muta koi aise cheez nahi ha jo logoon ko pakar kar karwai jaye balke is ko halat e zaroorat kiya jata ha or hazrat ALI A S ka ik qool main apni pehli post main naqal kar chuka hoon ke un ke mutabiq agar muta ko ban na kiya jata to koi badbakht he zana karta is main MOLA ALI AS ne muta ko jaiz keh diya ha.

2nd: MUTTA ik mubah amal he agar mola ali as ne ise dubaran shoro nahi bhi karwaya to is se MUTTA ka haram hona sabit nahi hota.

3rd:us waqt musalmanoon main wase bhi bohat akhtilaf tha or aisa karne se mazeed ikhtilaf ho jata jabke MUTTA koi farz nahi ha . or tareekh se pta chalta ha ke hazray umer ke mutabiq ayat RIJAM quram main theen par hazrat umer use quran main logoon ke dar ki waja se shamil na karwa sake.

or jaisa ke main pehle keh chuka hoon ke mujhe aap ki post main is ke ilawa koi bat jawab dene ke qabil nahi lagi

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or aap ne apni last post main khuch mazak urrane ki koshish ki ha is waja se main thora dosre tareke se bhi jawab de deta hoon jo main dena nahi chahta tha or ab bhi bas halki si hint de raha hoon abhi bohat khuch or kaha ja sakta ha .

aap ne apni takreeban tamam postoon main apne nafs pe qabo rakhne ko kaha ha , to janab jab hazrat umer jaise bande, jin ke bare main RASOOL SAWW ne kaha ke mere bad koi nabi hota to umer hota :lol: or kabhi hazrat umer or RASOOL SAWW main ikhtilaf ho jata to ayyat hazrat umer ki bat ki taeed main utarti :P or bhi bohat khuch ha hazrat umer ke fazail main , apne nafs pe qabo nahi rakhe or apni biwi ke sath razaat ki. to pher ik aam insan ke liye jiske bare main RASOOL SAWW ne ye bhi nahi kaha ke mere bad nabi hota to YE hota kiya apne nafs pe qabo rakhna asaan hoga is ka jawab mujhe aap he de dijiye , jaisa ke hazrat umer ne halat e ROZA main apni biwi ke sath razaat ki thi.

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Dekho muta jaiz hei. Lekin quwanri larkiya ko muta nahi karna chahiye. Aur baap ke ijazzat ke bina kuwanri larki muta nahi karsakti. Aur rasul ki hadith hei ke koi musalman bap apni kuwanri larki ka muta pasand nahi karta. Kuwanrapan ki kimat baap ziada janta heii, maa se bhi ziada. Aaadmi ko aurat se ziada pata hei larki ka kuwarapan ki kimat. Aap ghaflat me a kar larkiyoon ko ghumra nahi karo. Bohot sare kisse ho chuke he kuwanri larkiyo ke sath jo dhoke me a kar chup chup ke muta karti hei. Aap ghuna ki sharik hoti hei. Muta ka ghalt faida nahi uthao.

bhai apne bilkul sahi kaha ke ke walid ki ijazat ke bager muta nahi kiya ja sakta lekin agar kanwari larki muta karle to koi gunah nahi ha, or agar koi shaks bager ijazat ke muta karta ha to wo zana he hoga.

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(salam)

baton ko ghuma phira ker sawal ka jawab na dene ka kamal ap ko khoob ata ha

Mein ney tu aap ko pehlay bhi wazahat di thi aur us key baad kuch waqt mein baaqi saari baat bhi bata di.

Man-na /samjhna ya na samjhna aap par munhasir hey.

asher sahb itni lambi dastan parhi is per hame thanks kahin or ap ne likhi is per ap ka thanx ,sirf ik bat ye kahdoon k ap ne jin baton ki wazahat ke liyea ye koshish ki ha to bilkul bekar koshish ki maazrat ke sath neiki or badi ka concept insan ki fitrat me dakhil ker diya gaya ha yahi waja ha k ik bacha bhi jub gunah kerta ha to use chupane ki koshish kerta ha is liyea ap ne jin points ko yahan disscuss kia ha already her insan in baton or nazakton se ashna hota ha or deen ki her bat insan ki fitrat ke ain mutabiq hoti ha ,

Insaan mein ghalat aur sahi samjhney ki salahiyat hoti nahin.Banayi jati hey.Mahool,parwarish banati hey.

magrabi mulkoon mein jaisey unki parwarish hoti hey ussi key mutabiq unki sooch hojati hey.

Agr wahi magrabi mulk ka koi shaks mashraqi mulkoon mein aaye aur jis tarahan sey woh wahn rehtay hein(geir-muslim)unka rehan sehan,pahnayo(clothing)wagera tu mashraqi mulkoon mein issey achey nazriye sey nahin dekha jata.Waja?

Kiyun key unko nahin lagta key woh kuch ghalat kar rahey hein.Woh unki aadat ban chuki hoti hey.

Aur mashraqi mulkoon key logon ko(musalmaanon)ko unka pehnao acha kiyun nahin lagey ga?

kiyun key unkey (people living in east : muslims ) andar is baat ko bachpan sey betha diya jata hey.halankey kaafi ney quran tak ko parha nahin hota.

Simple : it's society,environment,growth that moulds human mind.They are born with capacity to differentiate.But depends how this capacity is utilised by an individual.

What i told you many won't be knowing.I have given reasons and asked you to search on it.I even asked not to follow blindly.Liken aap ko tu justugoo(talaash)bhi nahin karni sach ki.Aap tu sirf yeh kehti hein key jo mutah jaisey key "syed_demanding"ki post mein hey sahi hey.

Ab aap khud hi apna faisla karein ?Kaun sahi hey aur ghalat : mein ney tu aap sey kaha talaash karein sach ki .yeh bhi nahin kaha key meri baat ko huqq maan lein.Ek baar soochein,samjhein aur khud talash karein.inshaAllah,jawab zaroor miley ga.Agey aap ki marzi :)

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'bint e ali':

kash ke ap ko Allah deen ki samajh boojh de de

Ameen :)

'bint e ali':

mera ab bhi ap se wahi sawal ha k jub sharab or joa or sood jese mamlat ko quran haram kehta ha or sakhti se mumaniat kerta ha to mutta jo k baqol ap ke zana ha is per itni khamoshi kiun or agar baqol ap ke jo ayeten ap ne mutta ke khilaf pesh ki han to un me saf wazia tareeqay se is ki mumaniat kiun nahi ha ,kia waja ha k quran ias mamle ko clearly mana nahi ker raha ,waja to yahi ha k is ke bare me koi mumaniat ka hukam hi nahi aya tha ,haan lakin jese talaq ik halal amal ha magar bahalat e majboori isi tara mutta bhi halat e majboori ke liyea jaiz ha

Mein koi alam-o-fazil tu nahin liken kooshish ki hey key jitni samajh hey sirf utna hi bataon.Us sey ziyada nahin.

Aap key is sawaal ka jawab meray paas tu hey liken shayed us jawab mein abi itni shid-dat nahin key ya shayed meray pass abhi woh quwat nahin key samjha sakoon :(

Liken jitna bata sakt hoon (ya jitni samajh hey filhaal ) woh yeh khe :Quran mein aksar ayaton mein aap ney yeh parha hoga(ayaton key aakhir mein ) khe 'is mein samajhney/soochney walon key liye hikmat hey' .Allah ney ayaton ko samajhney aur un par gaur-o-fikr ka kaha hey.

Jab aap baat karti hein key zina,sood,sharaab in sab ka zikr bhut waziha hey.Tu mutah ka kiyun nahin?

Aap key samney mein ney kayi ayatein rakhein.Un sab ayaton mein yeh baat waziha hojati hey khe shaadi ek sahi amal hey.Jitni bhi aap ayatein parhein gi aap ko dekhney ko miley ga khe Allah ney shaadi key qawaneen bataye,huqooq bataye,talaaq key barey mein hey.Jo key is baat ko batata hey khe : shaadi sey pehlay ka koi concept nahin hey.phir chahye woh "mutah" hi kiyun na hou. (meri samajh key mutabiq.Agr aap ko meri is baat mein kuch puktagi lagey tu sooch kar kuch seekh lena ^_^ ).

[Tabhi tu Allah ney kaha key meri ayaton par gaur-o-fikr karo.GAUR-O-FIKR sey tu yehi baat sabit hoti hey khe Mutah :mad: ]

Ek ayat hey :

............................So follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you may avoid justice, and if you distort your witness or refuse to give it, verily, Allah is Ever Well-Acquainted with what you do.(An-Nisa : 135)

Mein ney aap ko pehlay bhi bata diya hey mein koi alam-fazil nahin liken jitni samajh hey us key mutabiq is ayat ko jab mein

parh ra tho - tu laga jaisey aap key sawaal ka jawab is mein hou shayed :

In this ayat it is : " follow not the lusts (of your hearts) "..............

Mutah kiya hey : "Mut'ah LITERALLY means pleasure"....................................samajh jayein na :lol:

(Aur ayat is baat ko kehti hey khe apney dil ki khawahishat ki perwi na karo.)

Is key ilawa apni guzishta post mein bhi ayat batayi thi,aap is ki tafseel dekh lena :wub: specially is lafz ki "girl-friends ki ": yeh rahi woh ayat

"Made lawful to you this day are At­Tayyibât [all kinds of Halâl (lawful) foods, which Allâh has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, etc., milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits, etc.). The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals, etc.) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. (Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time, when you have given their due Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), desiring chastity (i.e. taking them in legal wedlock) not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girl-friends. And whosoever disbelieves in the Oneness of Allâh and in all the other Articles of Faith [i.e. His (Allâh's), Angels, His Holy Books, His Messengers, the Day of Resurrection and Al­Qadar (Divine Preordainments)], then fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers.

ayat number 5 (surah mayida)urdu mein :

http://pakquran.com/...?surah=5&ayat=5

This Ayat too :

It is made lawful for you to have sexual relations with your wives on the night of As-Saum (the fasts). They are Libas [i.e. body cover, or screen, or Sakan, (i.e. you enjoy the pleasure of living with her - as in Verse 7:189) Tafsir At-Tabari], for you and you are the same for them. Allah knows that you used to deceive yourselves, so He turned to you (accepted your repentance) and forgave you. So now have sexual relations with them and seek that which Allah has ordained for you (offspring), and eat and drink until the white thread (light) of dawn appears to you distinct from the black thread (darkness of night), then complete your Saum (fast) till the nightfall. And do not have sexual relations with them (your wives) while you are in I'tikaf (i.e. confining oneself in a mosque for prayers and invocations leaving the worldly activities) in the mosques. These are the limits (set) by Allah, so approach them not. Thus does Allah make clear His Ayat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs, revelations, verses, laws, legal and illegal things, Allah's set limits, orders, etc.) to mankind that they may become Al-Muttaqun (187 :surah baqarah)

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Yeh woh aakhri ayat hey jo aap(bint-e-ali) key sawaal ka jawab shayed dey dey :!!!:

Agr nahin diya tu phir : Aye Khuda ,Aye Khuda : Jis ney ki justugoo mil gaya us ko tu : sab ka tu rehnuma : Aye Khuda ,Aye Khuda ^_^

yeh rahi woh ayat :angel:

He grants Hikmah to whom He pleases, and he, to whom Hikmah is granted, is indeed granted abundant good. But none remember (will receive admonition) except men of understanding.(verse 269 : Surah Baqarah)

(wasalam)

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'Raqib Naqvi' :

maine aise he aap ki itni lambi post par kar apna time zaya kiya

Shukr hey parhi tu sahi :) Aaj parhi hey,inshaAllah asr bhi hoga.Sach jo kaha hey.Ab aap na manein yeh alag baat hey.

'Raqib Naqvi' :

aap ne likha jab aurat or mard akele hote hain to sath shetan hota ha , ab is bat se mutta ka haram hona kis tarhan sabit ha wase jab miyan biwi bhi akele hote hoon ge to un ke sath bhi shetan hota ho ga???????????

Arey : shaadi tu halaal hey na :cry: Us waqt jab mard aurat saath hotey hein tu un key darmiyan shaitaan sirf talauq kharab karney aata hey warna nahin aata.Shaadi key baad woh donon(larka/larki)ek dosrey key liye halaal hojatey hein.Matlab unka rishta pakeeza hojata hey B)

Liken shaadi sey pehlay agr woh itney close rahey tu ghalat taraf ja saktey hein jo key shaadi key ilawa halaal nahin.

Mutah sirf pleasure key liye hota hey.Ab jab larka/larki akelay hongey tu woh zina key taraf unko kheench sakta hey beshak contract mein yeh likhe hou khe mutah sirf ek pleasure key liye hey.Us key ilawa kuch nahin.....

(Mein ney is context mein hadees ko bataya hey :cry: )

'Raqib Naqvi' :

MUTTA ik mubah amal he agar mola ali as ne ise dubaran shoro nahi bhi karwaya to is se MUTTA ka haram hona sabit nahi hota.

kis ney huqq diya kisi ko bhi key islam mein koi cheeiz ko enter/delete karey.jabkey Huzoor (pbuh) ney aakhri khutbey mein kaha tha :

[Quran 5:3] "This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."

"Verily, I have left amongst you the Quran and the Sunnah (Traditions) of His Messenger which if you hold fast, you shall never go astray." [sahih Muslim]

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or aap ne apni last post main khuch mazak urrane ki koshish ki ha is waja se main thora dosre tareke se bhi jawab de deta hoon jo main dena nahi chahta tha or ab bhi bas halki si hint de raha hoon abhi bohat khuch or kaha ja sakta ha .

aap ne apni takreeban tamam postoon main apne nafs pe qabo rakhne ko kaha ha , to janab jab hazrat umer jaise bande, jin ke bare main RASOOL SAWW ne kaha ke mere bad koi nabi hota to umer hota :lol: or kabhi hazrat umer or RASOOL SAWW main ikhtilaf ho jata to ayyat hazrat umer ki bat ki taeed main utarti :P or bhi bohat khuch ha hazrat umer ke fazail main , apne nafs pe qabo nahi rakhe or apni biwi ke sath razaat ki. to pher ik aam insan ke liye jiske bare main RASOOL SAWW ne ye bhi nahi kaha ke mere bad nabi hota to YE hota kiya apne nafs pe qabo rakhna asaan hoga is ka jawab mujhe aap he de dijiye , jaisa ke hazrat umer ne halat e ROZA main apni biwi ke sath razaat ki thi.

Ajeeb-o-gareeb baat hey : Aap hazrat umar (ra) ki misaal dey rahey hein jis ka mujhey koi ilm nahin liken hairaangi yeh key aap kiya unko mantey hein jo unki misaal di. :huh:

Chunkey mein ney yeh kabhi kahin parha nahin aur mujhey is misaal ka koi ilm nahin so i will stay quite on it :)

Nafs par qaboo pana hi nafs-ka-jihad hey. (self-striving)jis key baarey mein Ali (ra) ney faramaya :

1)To fight against one's desires is the greatest of all fights.

2)The strongest amongst you is he who subdues( to hold in check or repress )his self.

Even islam mein hey key jo shaks shaadi na kar sakey woh roozey rakhey.(Jis ki hasiyat na hou)kiyunky rooza usey burayion sey bachayae ga.

Aur islam mein yeh bhi hey key koi ghalti hojaye tu us ka kaf-fara hey.

Aakhir mein : Allah hum sub ko seedhar rastey par chalney ki hidayat dey...

Note : As far as i knew i explained.For things i didn't know i remained quite on them,I am not telling to stick to my words.But i ask you to search for yourself.And seek guidance of Allah & remember me in prayers too.I myself ask Allah Almighty to guide me if what i have explained is wrong

:angel:

(wasalam)

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Now after long discussion ,something different to read ^_^

Who will take the Noble Qur'an?

A wealthy man and his son loved to collect rare works of art. They had everything in their collection, from Picasso (Spanish artist who lived in France) to Raphael (Italian painter). They would often sit together and admire the great works of art.

When the Vietnam conflict broke out, the son went to war. He was very courageous and died in battle while rescuing another soldier. The father was notified and grieved deeply for his only son.

About a month later, just before Eid ul-Fitr, there was a knock at the door. A young man stood at the door with a large package in his hands.

He said, "Sir, you don't know me, but I am the soldier for whom your son gave his life. He saved many lives that day, and he was carrying me to safety when a bullet struck him in the heart and he died instantly. He often talked about you, and your love for art."

The young man held out this package. "I know this isn't much. I'm not really a great artist, but I think your son would have wanted you to have this."

The father opened the package. It was a portrait of his son, painted by the young man. He stared in awe at the way the soldier had captured the personality of his son in the painting. The father was so drawn to the eyes that his own eyes welled up with tears. He thanked the young man and offered to pay him for the picture. "Oh, no sir, I could never repay what your son did for me. It's a gift."

The father hung the portrait over his mantle. Every time visitors came to his home he took them to see the portrait of his son before he showed them any of the other great works he had collected.

The man died a few months later. There was to be a great auction of his paintings Many influential people gathered, excited over seeing the great paintings and having an opportunity to purchase one for their collection.

On the platform sat the painting of the son. The auctioneer pounded his gavel. "We will start the bidding with this picture of the son. Who will bid for this picture?"

There was silence. Then a voice in the back of the room shouted, "We want to see the famous paintings! Skip this one."

But the auctioneer persisted. "Will somebody bid for this painting. Who will start the bidding? $100, $200?"

Another voice angrily, "We didn't come to see this painting. We came to see the Van Goghs (Dutch painter), the Rembrandts (Dutch artist). Get on with the real bids!"

But still the auctioneer continued. "The son! The son! Who'll take the son?" Finally, a voice came from the very back of the room. It was the longtime gardener of the man and his son. 'I'll give $10 for the painting.' Being a poor man, it was all he could afford.

We have $10, who will bid $20? Give it to him for $10. "Let's see the masters...." $10 is the bid, won't someone bid $20?

The crowd was becoming angry. They didn't want the picture of the son. They wanted the more worthy investments for their collections.

The auctioneer pounded the gavel. "Going once, twice, SOLD for $10!"

A man sitting on the second row shouted, "Now let's get on with the collection!"

The auctioneer laid down his gavel. "I'm sorry, the auction is over."

"What about the great paintings?"

I am sorry. When I was called to conduct this auction, I was told of a secret stipulation in the will. I was not allowed to reveal that stipulation until this time. Only the painting of the son would be auctioned. Whoever bought that painting would inherit the entire estate, including the paintings. The man who took the son gets everything!Allah (SWT) gave His Noble Qur'an hundreds of years ago to guide us. Much like the auctioneer,

His message today is: "The Noble Qur'an, the Noble Qur'an, who'll take the Noble Qur'an? Because whoever takes the Noble Qur'an gets everything."

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SAWAL Bint e Ali ka SHIooooo sai hai jo SHIA hi jawab dai, ashar Brother ap nh bolen aur dekhay yea Shia kia jawab datai hai sawal ka, kiun kai sawal ka maqsad hi zayea ho chuka hai ab tak ki bat cheet mai, SAWL jaiz yea haram ka nh, behas sawal kai against ja rahai hai, plz sawal par hi jawab dai aur SHIOOOOO sai sawal howaya hai wohi is ka jawab dai hai na kai koai sunni.

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