If no Marja3 answers me, then am I free of guilt?

[aliadams]

Salam All,

As most of you know that thanks to Allah I have been shown a real relationship between the Quran and prime numbers.

I have email Sistani office in Najaf, Lebanon and Qum BUT it seems due to lack of experience or reluctant to take responsibility, no one has answered me for almost two months.

What's more, the Quran is for all of us but how many people here bother to validate my claims and either refute them or moderate them for all to see?

In the absence of interaction from this the marja3s and most of this community, am I entitled to claim in front of Allah swt that YOU have failed to keep your promise of searching for the Truth.

We need each other's help in this very-wide-field research to extract knowledge Allah has destined us to gain using prime numbers and the chapter #1 is the Key to the other 113 chapter (the message).

The Holy Quran is OURS ALL to extract knowledge from, not just one person. And before you insist that all inner knowledge is reserved to Imams only, Allah says He can guide whom He wills with no need for reason. We are tools in God's hand.

It is because of chapter Al-Fatiha (The Key) that is built upon special type of prime numbers that are not only primes but have prime digit sums too I was guided to a new numerology system called Primalogy to replace the current numerology system that is related to Witchcraft/Kabala and thus has very bad reputation indeed.

The new system has been validated with chapter #1 The Key and chapter #112 Unity of God with and without bismAllah to produce the same special type of prime numbers and thus WE NEED to learn how to make use of it to at least scratch the surface of the hidden knowledge within the Message of the Quran.

First we need to help the brothers at www.tanzil.info to validate their soft copy of the Quran.

Second we need to write a software for letter processing and image producing of the Message, which I have done most already but not polished yet.

Third and most easily to contribute is to suggest to each other ways of arranging letters or images or even sounds using what we know about prime numbers and how mysterious they are ($1000000 prize to whomever crack their secret, which the Quran would surely has as it contains ALL KNOWLEDGE except what Allah chooses to keep for Himself).

I need interaction, critical criticism, suggestions but at least encouragements.

Thank you all for reading and take responsibility for OUR Quran before you will be asked why didn't you look at what We have shown you though our servant "Ali Adams" even if he was corrupt (Fasiq) in case he bears the Truth.

The moderators didn't even raise an eye brow or make any of my subjects "Sticky" regarding this or the book I wrote as a result of this research which we'll experiment first hand if we still alive in 2012?

WHY?

Ali

[aliadams]

I have just emailed Al-Seestani office in London the following:

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بِسْمِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ

Quran and 2012

Prime numbers are whole numbers that cannot be divided by any other numbers except themselves and one. For example:

2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47,

53, 59, 61, 67, 71, 73, 79, 83, 89, 97, 101, 103, 107, …

Don't confuse prime with odd and even numbers, 2 is prime and 9 is not.

The Quran starts with a chapter called The Key (الفاتحة) that consists of 7 verses, 29 words and 139 letters.

"In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Benevolent." بِسْمِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ .1

"All praise to Allah, Sustainer of all the worlds." ٱلْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ ٱلْعَٰلَمِينَ .2

"The Merciful, the Benevolent." ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيم .3

"Master of the Day of Judgment," مَٰلِكِ يَوْمِ ٱلدِّينِ .4

"You alone we worship; You alone we ask for help." إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ .5

"Guide us to the Right Path:" ٱهْدِنَا ٱلصِّرَٰطَ ٱلْمُسْتَقِيمَ .6

وَلَا ٱلضَّآلِّين صِرَٰطَ ٱلَّذِينَ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ غَيْرِ ٱلْمَغْضُوبِ عَلَيْهِمَْ .7

"The path of those whom You have bestowed your bounties upon;

not of those who have brought upon themselves Your wrath,

nor of those who went astray."

7, 29, and 139 are prime numbers.

Their digit sums 7=7, 2+9=11, 1+3+9=13 are prime numbers

and the sum of the digit sums 7+11+13 = 31 is a prime number too.

Joining the numbers left-to-right (729139) and right-to-left (139297) also produces prime numbers with digit sum of 7+2+9+1+3+9=31 which is a prime number too.

Chapter The Merciful (الرحمن) has 31 repetitions of the verse:

فَبِأَىِّ ءَالَآءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ

"What other bounties of your Sustainer do you still belie"

These 31 repetitions occur at verse numbers:

13, 16, 18, 21, 23, 25, 28, 30, 32, 34, 36, 38, 40, 42, 45,

47, 49, 51, 53, 55, 57, 59, 61, 63, 65, 67, 69, 71, 73, 75, 77

31 is a prime number too.

The sum of these verse numbers is:

13+16+18+21+23+25+28+30+32+34+36+38+40+42+45,

47+49+51+53+55+57+59+61+63+65+67+69+71+73+75+77

= 1433

1433 is a prime number and its digit sum 1+4+3+3=11 is a prime number too.

The current Islamic year is 1430AH (2009AD)

The above 1433 number may therefore be a pointer to the year 1433AH (2012AD)

But Allah swt gave us the much needed evidence that it is indeed a pointer to a Hijri year and not any Hijri year but a Hijri year with 355 days like 1433AH by making chapter The Merciful to have exactly 355 words including bismAllah.

This instantly reveals a one-to-one mapping of words to days in 1433AH with the repeated Merciful verse

(فَبِأَىِّ ءَالَآءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ) having four words and is repeated 31 times, the first occurrence of it will fall on 14th Safar 1433AH or 7th January and the last occurrence to end on the 7th November 2012. 31 times a minor 4-day event will (with God permission) take place before a major revenge by Allah on those who belie his bounties upon us will be unleashed shortly thereafter as per Quran chapter #44 Al-Dukhaan verses 10-16.

It is therefore expected that a 4-day event will repeat 31 times:

Quran 44:10 فَٱرْتَقِبْ يَوْمَ تَأْتِى ٱلسَّمَآءُ بِدُخَانٍۢ مُّبِينٍ

"Look out for a day when the sky brings a revealing smoke."

Quran 44:15 إِنَّا كَاشِفُوا۟ ٱلْعَذَابِ قَلِيلًا ۚ إِنَّكُمْ عَآئِدُونَ

"We are lifting the punishment a little (due to your sincere pleas)

but you will soon be back to your old ways."

Quran 44:16 يَوْمَ نَبْطِشُ ٱلْبَطْشَةَ ٱلْكُبْرَىٰٓ إِنَّا مُنتَقِمُونَ

"On a day when we seize you with a mighty onslaught;

We are taking revenge."

Further evidence that the sun will be blocked out suddenly:

Quran 36:37 وَءَايَةٌۭ لَّهُمُ ٱلَّيْلُ نَسْلَخُ مِنْهُ ٱلنَّهَارَ فَإِذَا هُم مُّظْلِمُونَ

"And a sign for them the night We peel daylight out of it and behold

they are plunged into darkness."

But only Allah Almighty knows and controls what is going to happen and praise to Him He named the chapter The Merciful, so let's hope for the best.

Ali Adams

Email: alipoland@yahoo.com

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Let's hope these guys understand English and reply within a month or so in sha Allah.

Ali

Edited September 20, 2009 by aliadams

[AbdullaQ]

What exactly do you want them to reply saying?

This is a theory, not proof.

Have you read about the number 19 and the Quran?

These are things to make us even more happy, but they are not a RULE. A RULE has to apply to EVERYTHING. You can not say Prime Numbers are KEY to the Quran, when you can not apply your KEY to ALL the chapters.

I have not heard much about your theory, so maybe your key does apply to ALL. Where can I find your book?

Peace.

[Proud Shiite]

(salam)

I have just emailed Al-Seestani office in London the following:

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ÈöÓúãö ٱááøóåö ٱáÑøóÍúãóٰäö ٱáÑøóÍöíãö

Quran and 2012

Prime numbers are whole numbers that cannot be divided by any other numbers except themselves and one. For example:

2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47,

53, 59, 61, 67, 71, 73, 79, 83, 89, 97, 101, 103, 107, …

Don't confuse prime with odd and even numbers, 2 is prime and 9 is not.

The Quran starts with a chapter called The Key (ÇáÝÇÊÍÉ) that consists of 7 verses, 29 words and 139 letters.

"In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Benevolent." ÈöÓúãö ٱááøóåö ٱáÑøóÍúãóٰäö ٱáÑøóÍöíãö .1

"All praise to Allah, Sustainer of all the worlds." ٱáúÍóãúÏõ áöáøóåö ÑóÈøö ٱáúÚóٰáóãöíäó .2

"The Merciful, the Benevolent." ٱáÑøóÍúãóٰäö ٱáÑøóÍöíã .3

"Master of the Day of Judgment," ãóٰáößö íóæúãö ٱáÏøöíäö .4

"You alone we worship; You alone we ask for help." ÅöíøóÇßó äóÚúÈõÏõ æóÅöíøóÇßó äóÓúÊóÚöíäõ .5

"Guide us to the Right Path:" ٱåúÏöäóÇ ٱáÕøöÑóٰØó ٱáúãõÓúÊóÞöíãó .6

æóáóÇ ٱáÖøóÇٓáøöíä ÕöÑóٰØó ٱáøóÐöíäó ÃóäúÚóãúÊó Úóáóíúåöãú ÛóíúÑö ٱáúãóÛúÖõæÈö Úóáóíúåöãúó .7

"The path of those whom You have bestowed your bounties upon;

not of those who have brought upon themselves Your wrath,

nor of those who went astray."

7, 29, and 139 are prime numbers.

Their digit sums 7=7, 2+9=11, 1+3+9=13 are prime numbers

and the sum of the digit sums 7+11+13 = 31 is a prime number too.

Joining the numbers left-to-right (729139) and right-to-left (139297) also produces prime numbers with digit sum of 7+2+9+1+3+9=31 which is a prime number too.

Chapter The Merciful (ÇáÑÍãä) has 31 repetitions of the verse:

ÝóÈöÃóìøö ÁóÇáóÇٓÁö ÑóÈøößõãóÇ ÊõßóÐøöÈóÇäö

"What other bounties of your Sustainer do you still belie"

These 31 repetitions occur at verse numbers:

13, 16, 18, 21, 23, 25, 28, 30, 32, 34, 36, 38, 40, 42, 45,

47, 49, 51, 53, 55, 57, 59, 61, 63, 65, 67, 69, 71, 73, 75, 77

31 is a prime number too.

The sum of these verse numbers is:

13+16+18+21+23+25+28+30+32+34+36+38+40+42+45,

47+49+51+53+55+57+59+61+63+65+67+69+71+73+75+77

= 1433

1433 is a prime number and its digit sum 1+4+3+3=11 is a prime number too.

The current Islamic year is 1430AH (2009AD)

The above 1433 number may therefore be a pointer to the year 1433AH (2012AD)

But Allah swt gave us the much needed evidence that it is indeed a pointer to a Hijri year and not any Hijri year but a Hijri year with 355 days like 1433AH by making chapter The Merciful to have exactly 355 words including bismAllah.

This instantly reveals a one-to-one mapping of words to days in 1433AH with the repeated Merciful verse

(ÝóÈöÃóìøö ÁóÇáóÇٓÁö ÑóÈøößõãóÇ ÊõßóÐøöÈóÇäö) having four words and is repeated 31 times, the first occurrence of it will fall on 14th Safar 1433AH or 7th January and the last occurrence to end on the 7th November 2012. 31 times a minor 4-day event will (with God permission) take place before a major revenge by Allah on those who belie his bounties upon us will be unleashed shortly thereafter as per Quran chapter #44 Al-Dukhaan verses 10-16.

It is therefore expected that a 4-day event will repeat 31 times:

Quran 44:10 ÝóٱÑúÊóÞöÈú íóæúãó ÊóÃúÊöì ٱáÓøóãóÇٓÁõ ÈöÏõÎóÇäòۢ ãøõÈöíäò

"Look out for a day when the sky brings a revealing smoke."

Quran 44:15 ÅöäøóÇ ßóÇÔöÝõæÇ۟ ٱáúÚóÐóÇÈö ÞóáöíáðÇ ۚ Åöäøóßõãú ÚóÇٓÆöÏõæäó

"We are lifting the punishment a little (due to your sincere pleas)

but you will soon be back to your old ways."

Quran 44:16 íóæúãó äóÈúØöÔõ ٱáúÈóØúÔóÉó ٱáúßõÈúÑóìٰٓ ÅöäøóÇ ãõäÊóÞöãõæäó

"On a day when we seize you with a mighty onslaught;

We are taking revenge."

Further evidence that the sun will be blocked out suddenly:

Quran 36:37 æóÁóÇíóÉñۭ áøóåõãõ ٱáøóíúáõ äóÓúáóÎõ ãöäúåõ ٱáäøóåóÇÑó ÝóÅöÐóÇ åõã ãøõÙúáöãõæäó

"And a sign for them the night We peel daylight out of it and behold

they are plunged into darkness."

But only Allah Almighty knows and controls what is going to happen and praise to Him He named the chapter The Merciful, so let's hope for the best.

Ali Adams

Email: alipoland@yahoo.com

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Let's hope these guys understand English and reply within a month or so in sha Allah.

Ali

Eid Mubarak brother Ali and all brothers and sisters,

Like you said,let's hope that they understand English.I think you should send them another

E-mail this time in Arabic,the language they master most.Some texts tend to lose their meanings

when translated.Whoever might do the translation of your letter might miss your main idea.

Since the issue of Quran and Prime Numbers is of great importance to you,I think you should

correspond with Sayed Sistani's office in your own words and style in Arabic.Doing so you'll

express your point better and avoid any mistranslation.

I hope I understood you right.According to the verses above and the prime numbers that you applied

to them the world will end in 1433 Hijri(2012 AD)(If I missunderstood you,please forgive me and

remember I don't know much about Prime Numbers other than what you started explaining to me on

that one on one chat we had few weeks ago.I remember I scored badly :lol: :lol: )

I have few questions regarding your theory but can't ask them until I know if I got your point

right.

May AllahÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáìbless you brother Ali

[Nocturne]

What exactly is your question to them? If your study is correct or if such a study is allowed or not?

Edited September 20, 2009 by Nocturne

[Researcher]

I think as Muslims we need to come down a little harder on the brand of ignorance espoused by aliadams and many others in this fashionable new habit of using numerology and ignorance to interpret the Qur'an.

[lion]

"Verily the knowledge of the hour is with Allah. It is he who sends down rain, and he who knows what is in the wombs. Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the tomorrow: nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and he is acquainted and aware with all things ".

[aliadams]

Salam and Eid Mubarak to all in sha Allah, and thanks for the replies.

First of all, this is only a theory as sister Simly suggested. Thank you sister.

Second, NO MUSLIM should ignore the fact that Allah named chapter #1 as Al-Fatiha and built its structure upon speical kind of prime numbers called additve prime numbers.

Thrid, we all know and I ask many, what does Al-Fatiha means and they say Fatihat Al-Quran (Quean Opener), so the question arises as to HOW?

If some stupid ignorant person like me comes from a science backgroud (not religious background) and say to the Muslim nation: Look I find this fact (not theory) about chapter Al-Fatiha, then you can either argue it is by chance or Allah ut it there for a purpose. In Islam if you KNOW your Islam correctly THERE IS NOTHING THAT HAPPENS BY CHNACE / COINCEDENT never never erver, even if I misspell a word or get distructed by my kids in the middle of writing this reply. Everything happens for a reason and the more tuned you are with your Creator the faster you realize what God is telling you.

Fouth, if I am not a Muslim and came with this idea, YOU yes YOU will be jumping up and down in joy saying look the West found this and this about the Quran ... and so on.

Fifth, if I was not in tune with my Creator He would not have bestowed upon me this knowledge and if you think I am arrogant here, then you are not deserving of Allah light right now but you will soon in sha Allah if you still alive and events overtake you in 1433AH (I may die now while I am writing this reply) so whatever left behind me is YOUR responsibility to follow it up.

This is the very reason why I don't put any copyrights on my book and give it free to gain widespread and if anyone want to claim its it thier idea (as I have warned of such possibility) then I will be happy becuase they will spend some energy promting the Truth and I DON'T CARE for the opinion of mortals like me. I only care about Allah swt and His agents (as all).

Sixth, if you care to look at the facts first as (brother AbdAllahQ shows) first and then air your opinion before you mix such orignal research to other numerology research then maybe you will change your mind.

I know you don't have time to investigate so let me tell you wht this is different in one paragraph:

Numerology is pre-Islam and widely used by witchcraft and Satanic cults. I HATE IT. My system id extracted from the Islamic book and called Primalogy which is NEW. God I just showed it to me and I made it available in my book.

From this new system comes a new chemistry knowledge of the abundance of the elements in the Universe.

From this new system comes the confirmation that Hafs reading in Uthmani writing in the ONLY Word of Allah.

From this new system comes the confimation that Bism Allah Ar-Rahmaan Ar-Raheem is mandatory in Al-Fatiha.

From this new system comes the confimation that Bism Allah Ar-Rahmaan Ar-Raheem is optional in Al-Ikhlass and all others excpet Al-Tawba which has none.

From this new system comes future warning about 1433H (additve prime) or 2012.

From this new system comes future warning about 1619H (additve prime) or 2192.

From this new system comes the real value for the word Allah which is 269 (additve prime).

From this new system WILL in sha Allah the secret of prime numbers be revealed (worth a million dollar prize but in reality a billion dollar to any governemnt who can have that knoweldge exclusively)

From this new system MAY in sha Allah come the secret phrase Muslims need to say to bring about the re-appearance of Imam Mehdi (3Af) similar to Open Sesami :)

From this new system MAY in sha Allah come the secret phrase that Al-Hasan Abu Al-Nafs Al-Zakiya that he need to say to declare the arrival of our Imam before being killed and returned to Allah (not die).

and Allah knows best.

AND YES Allah controls everything and the end of the world can come at the blink of an eye or even nearer as per Quran (if God wills).

BUT ABOVE ALL, for all those who accuse me of ignorance I have a surprise for you in my book in the form of Further Thoughts that will make you sit and take notice of what Real Islam (submission to your Creator) IS.

May Allah guide us to His Right Path and makes us deserving of staying along its robs till we meet Him soon yes soon in sha Allah.

The Book is about 3Mb in size so if the moderator accept it I can upload it here.

Otherwise email me at alipoland@yahoo.com and I will be happy to send you a copy in sha Allah.

Ali

God >

I think as Muslims we need to come down a little harder on the brand of ignorance espoused by aliadams and many others in this fashionable new habit of using numerology and ignorance to interpret the Qur'an.

When you prove me wrong, then I will come down hard on myself. I fear Allah not you servant of Allah.

Are you up to the challenge?

Ali

[aliadams]

What exactly is your question to them? If your study is correct or if such a study is allowed or not?

If my finding is useful to them then you would take notice and maybe assign some one to validate it and then invite me to Qum/Najaf so I can join a proper group of Quran researcher for the sake of unlocking some hidden knowledge if Allah allows to serve Islam in these difficult times in sha Allah.

If they don't read then they are not deserving of knowing,

If they dismiss it without investigating then God is making them blind,

If they warn me not to follow such a path then they are ignorant.

If they ignorantly associate it with Rashid Khalifa numerical research then they are not to be trusted in any further question and I therefore don't need to do Taqleed except in Jihaad call.

If they don't answer and lose it amongst the million other emails then they are forgiven but again no need to do Taqleed except in Jihaad call.

If they don't answer and keep quite then they are covering part of the truth knowingly which is the definition of KAFIR.

BUT If they ask for more clarification then they have read and understood the gravity of what Allah Al-knowing has shown me and are thus deserving of being part of it.

As I said I will give them one lunar month (29 days) and then I WILL DECLARE my stand here in sha Allah if still alive.

If anybody think I overstepped my mark (which I don't think so) then kill me and free me from this body and Allah Oft-forgiving in sha Allah. It is their duty to us to answer our questions, no matter how stupid or difficult they maybe. Even a simple we don't know would suffice.

Ali Adams

[Marbles]

I think as Muslims we need to come down a little harder on the brand of ignorance espoused by aliadams and many others in this fashionable new habit of using numerology and ignorance to interpret the Qur'an.

+1

[aliadams]

+1

When you prove me wrong, then I will come down hard on myself. I fear Allah not you servant of Allah.

Are you up to the challenge?

Ali

[Frosty]

Do you realize how busy the Imams must be? I assume they recieve thousands upon thousands of emails daily, what do you expect?

[aliadams]

Do you realize how busy the Imams must be? I assume they recieve thousands upon thousands of emails daily, what do you expect?

And do you realize they SHOULD have thousands upon thousands of people responsible for filtering out the easy questions that don't need the marji3 and can be answered using his thesis (resaala).

I am willing to go in person if someone gets me an appointement, or is that still too much to ask?

Anywhere in the world I am prepared to meet them even in the middle of Bermuda Triangle

Any helpers?

Ali

Edited September 20, 2009 by aliadams

[Frosty]

And do you realize they SHOULD have thousands upon thousands of people responsible for filtering out the easy questions that don't need the marji3 and can be answered using his thesis (resaala).

I don't know the numbers of their team or even if each of them have one what I am saying is the Imams and their associates are (I assume) highly busy especially Imam Khamenei, so complaining because they didn't read one or two or more emails of one person in the entire world seems unfair. If you want to gain an audience with them and so forth you are going to have to keep at it and keep trying to gain contact. Perhaps call them? I don't know but don't expect this because of some emails. I don't think you are the only one in the world or the only one ever (especially nowadays) to put to them some theories you've cooked up. Keep at it bro.

[Nocturne]

If my finding is useful to them then you would take notice and maybe assign some one to validate it and then invite me to Qum/Najaf so I can join a proper group of Quran researcher for the sake of unlocking some hidden knowledge if Allah allows to serve Islam in these difficult times in sha Allah.

If they don't read then they are not deserving of knowing,

If they dismiss it without investigating then God is making them blind,

If they warn me not to follow such a path then they are ignorant.

If they ignorantly associate it with Rashid Khalifa numerical research then they are not to be trusted in any further question and I therefore don't need to do Taqleed except in Jihaad call.

You do realize the only option acceptable to you is them endorse your study. Why are you sending it to them in the first place if you don't want to receive a negative answer about it?

Maraja don't sit to computers replying people's e-mails, they have people doing it and I don't think they reply to big queries either, let alone something like this. You should go to Qum and meet their representatives or other ulema face to face about this I think. You won't get replies for this over internet but if you are not going to accept them rejecting or negating your study then don't even consider asking them.

Edited September 20, 2009 by Nocturne

[Awakened]

Salam bro.

What you write is interesting, that much I can say.

But some (or maybe all) of what you say is guess work, so you have to say this is a possible way of looking at things and you don't think it's logical to consider it a coincidence, but don't present your conclusions as fact.

For some reason I have a feeling something will happen 2012, and it's interesting, but I don't think it's a big deal if people know something will happen or something won't happen.

Scholars are not in more position to give a verdict about this then any Layman...because this has nothing to do with Fiqh or Usool... It's irrelevant to what they study in Qum...

Therefore I don't see why you need their opinion. But what is important is that we don't base our beliefs any unclear part of the Quran. Therefore only if it becomes clear to you, then can you base your beliefs on it.

The Quran clearly forbids following something unclear to you from Quran (3:7).

[aliadams]

Thanks all for the replies but let me separate the facts from predictions for all of you so you know why I expected a positive feedback not constant nagging saying if the marji3s approve it we will go along with you which at least one here suggested and few friends and collegues did too.

Please try to answer the following multiple choice question if you care about the Quran which will be shafee3 to you in sha Allah in the hearafter.

In the name of God, Allah

the most Merciful qualitatively (ٱáÑøóÍúãóٰäö),

the most Merciful quantitatively (ٱáÑøóÍöíãö).

NOTE 1: All Quranic text is in Arabic

NOTE 2: All Quranic text is according to Hafs from Aasim from Al-Salami from Imam Ali (as).

NOTE 3: All Quranic text is in Uthmani writing style

1. What does the name of chapter Al-Fatiha mean?

A. Introduction

B. The Opening

C. The Opener

D. The Key

2. Is "Bism Allah Ar-Rahmaan Ar-Raheem" a verse or a prefix to chapter Al-Fatiha?

A. Verse #0

B. Verse #1

C. Prefix

3. How many verses (aya) in chapter Al-Fatiha?

A. 6

B. 7

4. How many words in chapter Al-Fatiha?

A. 25

B. 29

C. 31

5. How many letters in chapter Al-Fatiha?

A. 120

B. 139

C. 143

6. How many digits does the number 269 have?

A. 1

B. 3

7. A prime number is:

A. A whole number that is indivisible by anything.

B. A whole number that is indivisible by any other whole number

C. A whole number that is evenly divisible by 1 and itself only.

D. A whole number that has two distinct divisors, 1 and itself.

8. Is 1 a prime number?

A. Yes, it is indivisible.

B. No, it is the Unit

9. Is 2 a prime number?

C. Yes, the only even prime number

D. No, it is even

10. Is 269 a prime number?

E. Yes

F. No

11. What is the digit sum of 269?

A. 2+6+9 = 17, prime number

B. 2+6+9 = 17, non-prime number

12. Is the number 269 an additive prime number (i.e. prime with prime digit sum)?

A. Yes, 269 is prime number and its digit sum 17 is prime number too.

B. No, 269 is prime number but its digit sum 17 is not prime number.

C. No, 269 is not a prime number and hence no need to test its digit sum.

13. Is the number of verses in chapter Al-Fatiha an additive prime?

A. Yes

B. No

14. Is the number of words in chapter Al-Fatiha an additive prime?

C. Yes

D. No

15. Is the number of letters in chapter Al-Fatiha an additive prime?

A. Yes

B. No

16. How many times does the verse "Fabiayee aalaai Rabbikumaa tukathibaan" repeat in The Merciful chapter (55), and is it an additive prime number?

A. 31, Yes additive prime

B. 31, Only prime number not additive prime as 3+1 = 4 is not prime

C. 47, Yes additive prime (4+7 = 11 which is prime)

D. 78, not a prime number

17. Which positions does the verse "Fabiayee aalaai Rabbikumaa tukathibaan" repeat at?

A. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, …, 78

B. 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, …, 77

C. 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, …, 78

D. 13, 16, 18, 21, 23, 25, 28, 30, 32, 34, 36, 38, 40, 42, 45, 47, 49, 51, 53, 55, 57, 59, 61, 63, 65, 67, 69, 71, 73, 75, 77

E. 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71, 73

18. What is the sum of verse positions of the verse "Fabiayee aalaai Rabbikumaa tukathibaan?" in The Merciful chapter and is it additive prime?

A. 2012, not a prime number

B. 1433, prime number only

C. 1433, additive prime number as (1+4+3+3 = 11 is a prime)

19. How many words does chapter The Merciful consist of (excluding bismAllah)?

A. 351

B. 354

C. 355

D. 365

20. How many words does chapter The Merciful consist of (including bismAllah)?

A. 351

B. 354

C. 355

D. 365

21. How many days in an Islamic (lunar) year?

A. 365 or 366

B. 354

C. 355

D. 354 or 355

22. When does the Islamic year 1433AH start?

A. 01 January 2012 (+/- 1 day)

B. 26 November 2011 (+/- 1 day)

C. 14 November 2012 (+/- 1 day)

23. When does the Islamic year 1433AH end?

A. 01 January 2012 (+/- 1 day)

B. 26 November 2011 (+/- 1 day)

C. 14 November 2012 (+/- 1 day)

Glory to Allah, the most Merciful qualitatively (ٱáÑøóÍúãóٰäö), the most Merciful quantitatively (ٱáÑøóÍöíãö).

By the way, the Primalogy Value for the word "Allah" is 269 used in the above questions

Ali

God > infinity

If you cannot be bothered then see the answers at http://islamfactor.org/index.php?showtopic=5675&st=0

This post was originally posted om August 12th

[Researcher]

When you prove me wrong, then I will come down hard on myself. I fear Allah not you servant of Allah.

Are you up to the challenge?

Ali

Challenge?! What challenge?! All I see here is your ego on display and your wilful devaluation of, firstly, the Qur'an, and secondly, mathematics (a science you claim to understand). If you really want to go through the painful process of picking it to pieces, it's up to you.

As most of you know that thanks to Allah I have been shown a real relationship between the Quran and prime numbers.

You have not shown this. Instead you have chosen your choice excerpts such as al-Fatiha where the prime numbers can be seen to exist (if you calculate it your way).

Prime numbers are used today in computer encryption algorithms. That doesn't prove they were being used for the same purpose at the time of the Qur'an's revelation, or that Allah prefers to use a similar encryption algorithm. You are saying He has placed this secret code in there, which He wants us to decipher by obfuscating the whole exercise by first tricking us into believing that an (irrelevant by implication) revelation is the truth, then figuring out later that He tricked us (astaghfirullah) and he really wanted us to work out the date of the return of Imam al-Mahdi (as) or some doomsday event by cracking the code.

This is patent nonsense.

What is your background in literature? Do you know that poetry is supposed to have form and function, and that the 'form' aspect usually involves numbers? For example, in English poetry we count the number of syllables per line and identify a pattern. It shows the beauty of the poem. In Arabic poetry there are complex metres that also involve numbers. Have you considered that if each line of al-Fatiha works out to a gemmatrical value that is a prime number, this is part of the perfection of its form and not a part of a secret code?

I have email Sistani office in Najaf, Lebanon and Qum BUT it seems due to lack of experience or reluctant to take responsibility, no one has answered me for almost two months.

What's more, the Quran is for all of us but how many people here bother to validate my claims and either refute them or moderate them for all to see?

In the absence of interaction from this the marja3s and most of this community, am I entitled to claim in front of Allah swt that YOU have failed to keep your promise of searching for the Truth.

Sorry mate but you really are not being realistic with yourself if you think the reason they don't answer is because they don't understand simple addition of real numbers or what a prime number is.

We need each other's help in this very-wide-field research to extract knowledge Allah has destined us to gain using prime numbers and the chapter #1 is the Key to the other 113 chapter (the message).

Your hypothesis is like this:

1) The Qur'an contains a hidden message, encrypted;

2) Chapter #1 is the Key to the 113th chapter because the lines in chapter #1 work out to a prime number and the 113th chapter is called 'the Key'.

Your 'method', if it can be dignified by calling it such, is this:

1) Use a decimal numeric system of non-Arab origin to apply a soothsayer's 'numerology' to the prime numbers that you have found;

2) Restrict yourself to infants' school-level simple addition in working out some dates, such as 2012 (i.e. using the Roman calendar);

2) Verify that all this is OK with some random marjae or anonymous people on an internet forum.

Your hypothesis is pure fantasy and your methodology is a joke.

Let's use a little example shall we..

7 verses, 29 words, 139 letters.

In octal (why not?):

7 verses;

35 words;

213 letters.

All of the above are the same (prime) values as decimal 7, 29, 139. Just in octal. Why octal? Might as well be octal as at the time of the Qur'an's revelation the Arabs were not using Indian base-10 numbers.

Now what does this tell us using 'numerology'?

Let's do it your way:

7=7

3+5=8

2+1+3=6

Now, octal 7 is the same as decimal 7.

Octal 8 is the same as decimal 8.

Octal 6 is the same as decimal 6.

Are 8 and 6 also prime numbers??? You're really being ridiculous. Maths and hocus-pocus don't mix buddy. Check my method. I tested yours and disproved it, just by changing from dec to oct. Now you have a choice: persist (which would mean accepting maths i.e. rationality) or continue with your ego and ignore it (which may well result in you losing your ability at maths).

The Holy Quran is OURS ALL to extract knowledge from, not just one person. And before you insist that all inner knowledge is reserved to Imams only, Allah says He can guide whom He wills with no need for reason. We are tools in God's hand.

I agree, but why is it such a stretch of the imagination for you to accept that the Qur'an is a miracle, and that the use of clever devices such as the prime numbers in al-fatiha (have you checked all the other surahs too for these prime numbers or didn't you get further than chapter 1, thinking perhaps that Allah was telling you to use RSA data encryption with primes or something like that?) are just a part of its linguistic miracle. If you knew about literature you would be more aware of these things.

It is because of chapter Al-Fatiha (The Key) that is built upon special type of prime numbers that are not only primes but have prime digit sums too I was guided to a new numerology system called Primalogy to replace the current numerology system that is related to Witchcraft/Kabala and thus has very bad reputation indeed.

Tell me, how strong is this prime-number-based encryption of the Qur'an? Can GCHQ crack it? 4096 bits perhaps? Sorry to be so blunt but you're being totally delusional. What makes you think Allah would use a system of encryption based on prime numbers? Have we as a society reached the ultimate level possible in encryption techniques, given that we happen to be using prime-number-encryption in all our algorithms today? What happens when someone comes tomorrow with a stronger method of encryption than using prime numbers? Would Allah's system by obsolete then?

The new system has been validated with chapter #1 The Key and chapter #112 Unity of God with and without bismAllah to produce the same special type of prime numbers and thus WE NEED to learn how to make use of it to at least scratch the surface of the hidden knowledge within the Message of the Quran.

There is hidden knowledge in the Message of the Qur'an but you need to tone down the ego a lot, and look harder for the underlying spiritual significance. All of the spiritual masters agree that the hidden Message of the Qur'an is not based on numerology hocus-pocus but it's in the meaning of the words.

Third and most easily to contribute is to suggest to each other ways of arranging letters or images or even sounds using what we know about prime numbers and how mysterious they are ($1000000 prize to whomever crack their secret, which the Quran would surely has as it contains ALL KNOWLEDGE except what Allah chooses to keep for Himself).

Anyone who cracks the secret of the Qur'an wouldn't care about a pitiful pot of gold. Nobody who's tried to crack it so far has relied on primary school maths, but they used their spiritual power and aql instead.

Give it up mate. There are plenty of dodgy New Age books on the shelves but it is haram to mislead the people like this, using the Qur'an. Why don't you write a book on crystal healing or numerology instead?

Edited September 20, 2009 by Researcher

[lion]

ignorant fools, most of you are attacking him without any knowledge of what hes proposing.

[aliadams]

ignorant fools, most of you are attacking him without any knowledge of what hes proposing.

Salam brother lion,

Thank you sincerely for your support but Allah knows my intentions and theirs and He is the best Judge.

"Hasbeya Allah wa ni3maa al-wakeel".

May Allah's curse be upon those who intentially dealy injustly with others (Dhaalimeen).

Salam,

Ali

[Researcher]

Oh so aliadams is back now.. What's the matter? Can't go back and can't go forward... You're stuck with the garbage you wrote, because your ego makes it impossible for you to learn anything at all. You don't know maths OR literature OR religion. You come here as a 'teacher' as if we don't even know what prime numbers are or how to do adding up, while you've never even been a 'student'. Is this how they do things in China? Who gave you authority to come here and tell us you have the true meaning of Allah's Book? Who taught you gemmatria? What is your tariqa or lineage? Who is your alim? Shifu Google? For what you've written, with your 2012 nonsense and attaching this to the holy Qur'an, you should be deeply ashamed and fear the Hereafter and repent. I will bear witness for what you have done.

Your hypothesis is like this:

1) The Qur'an contains a hidden message, encrypted;

2) Chapter #1 is the Key to the 113th chapter because the lines in chapter #1 work out to a prime number and the 113th chapter is called 'the Key'.

Your 'method', if it can be dignified by calling it such, is this:

1) Use a decimal numeric system of non-Arab origin to apply a soothsayer's 'numerology' to the prime numbers that you have found;

2) Restrict yourself to infants' school-level simple addition in working out some dates, such as 2012 (i.e. using the Roman calendar);

2) Verify that all this is OK with some random marjae or anonymous people on an internet forum.

Your hypothesis is pure fantasy and your methodology is a joke.

Let's use a little example shall we..

7 verses, 29 words, 139 letters.

In octal (why not?):

7 verses;

35 words;

213 letters.

All of the above are the same (prime) values as decimal 7, 29, 139. Just in octal. Why octal? Might as well be octal as at the time of the Qur'an's revelation the Arabs were not using Indian base-10 numbers.

Now what does this tell us using 'numerology'?

Let's do it your way:

7=7

3+5=8

2+1+3=6

Now, octal 7 is the same as decimal 7.

Octal 8 is the same as decimal 8.

Octal 6 is the same as decimal 6.

Are 8 and 6 also prime numbers??? You're really being ridiculous. Maths and hocus-pocus don't mix buddy. Check my method. I tested yours and disproved it, just by changing from dec to oct. Now you have a choice: persist (which would mean accepting maths i.e. rationality) or continue with your ego and ignore it (which may well result in you losing your ability at maths).

Aliadams's garbage disproven. His silence speaks volumes. Of course his pride won't let him back down now ;) so it's one way down.

May Allah's curse be on the liars who distort the meaning of the Qur'an for fame.

[aliadams]

Oh so aliadams is back now.. What's the matter? Can't go back and can't go forward... You're stuck with the garbage you wrote, because your ego makes it impossible for you to learn anything at all. You don't know maths OR literature OR religion. You come here as a 'teacher' as if we don't even know what prime numbers are or how to do adding up, while you've never even been a 'student'. Is this how they do things in China? Who gave you authority to come here and tell us you have the true meaning of Allah's Book? Who taught you gemmatria? What is your tariqa or lineage? Who is your alim? Shifu Google? For what you've written, with your 2012 nonsense and attaching this to the holy Qur'an, you should be deeply ashamed and fear the Hereafter and repent. I will bear witness for what you have done.

Aliadams's garbage disproven. His silence speaks volumes. Of course his pride won't let him back down now so it's one way down.

May Allah's curse be on the liars who distort the meaning of the Qur'an for fame.

Since you obviously haven't read my book (http://www.heliwave.com] I have attached a detailed summary of it (20 pages) to read and then if you still insist on your opinion then let the Warth of Allah be on the liars as you say.

I will give you a last chance to withdraw your WRONG accusations before I ask Allah to punish you in this life because of your igonrance (not in the hereafter) and make out of you a sign for all those who throw stones at Allah's sincere servants.

Quran The Light (24) verse 15:

بِسْمِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ أعوذ بالله من الشيطٰن الرجيم

إِذْ تَلَقَّوْنَهُۥ بِأَلْسِنَتِكُمْ وَتَقُولُونَ بِأَفْوَاهِكُم مَّا لَيْسَ لَكُم بِهِۦ عِلْمٌ وَتَحْسَبُونَهُۥ هَيِّنًا وَهُوَ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ عَظِيمٌ

[Shakir 24:15] When you received it with your tongues and spoke with your mouths what you had no knowledge of, and you deemed it an easy matter while with Allah it was grievous.

[Yusufali 24:15] Behold, ye received it on your tongues, and said out of your mouths things of which ye had no knowledge; and ye thought it to be a light matter, while it was most serious in the sight of Allah.

[Pickthal 24:15] When ye welcomed it with your tongues, and uttered with your mouths that whereof ye had no knowledge, ye counted it a trifle. In the sight of Allah it is very great.

Ali Adams

God > infinity

Edited September 21, 2009 by aliadams

[aliadams]

Ali, I don't think this falls within the scope of jurisprudence, and I'm not sure what you would be considered guilty of for coming up with a theory which may or may not be true. What can't figure out is what you want to do or want us to do with the information you have provided. Most likely the jurists' response was the same as mine: "interesting. now what?" (assuming that they did indeed read.)

Thanks sister for the the defence and point taken well. Sorry for being seen as arrogant but wating with end in sight for a reply from any religious authority got the best of me.

As far as what I expect to find using primalogy with Allah's permission can be read in my above post the one which has many From this research comes ....

So here is my wish list

From this new system MAY in sha Allah come the secret phrase Muslims need to say to bring about the re-appearance of Imam Mehdi (3Af) similar to Open Sesami

From this new system MAY in sha Allah come the secret phrase that Al-Hasan Abu Al-Nafs Al-Zakiya that he need to say to declare the arrival of our Imam before being killed and returned to Allah (not die).

and Allah knows best.

AND YES Allah controls everything and the end of the world can come at the blink of an eye or even nearer as per Quran (if God wills).

What I need from others is to suggest ways to use prime numbers to do some letter-processing.

I can give out the software I wrote so far that displays the Quranic text in full or semi-simplified, or fully simplified.

And allows the user to select any text, verse, chapter or chapters and get the total primalogy value for the selecyed item/ It also shows the letter frequency for the seleced text etc.

Plus it can draw a bitmap picture of the whole Quran with the PV of each word determining the shade of its corresponding pixel.

So far I found nothing legible nither in English, Arabic or Chinese.

I also tried Ulm Spiral of prime numbers on the words of the Holy Quran but that didn't yield any positive result either.

So I need someone thinking out of the box.

One example I will in sha Allah try is making multilayer bitmap of chapter 36 as it has 729 or 3*3*3*3*3*3 words and run them as animated gif with 9 pictures (of 9*9 bitmap) and see if movement can provide some secret message etc.

Later I will work on the letters too in sha Allah.

BUT all this assumes the Quran from www.tanzil.info is correct which is unknow yet since it is not authorized by any authority yet. Brother Hamid of tanzil.info assures me of having a team of verifiers that are working hard at it and I trust him and Allah guies and inspires his sincere servants if He wills.

Finally some poem to Researcher

The Sheeple

False has become true…and chaos has spread

Liars are upheld…and good mouths are well weld

Wisdom deserted all…but a sleepless few

Trance became the norm…and to reality blindness wed

No freethinking was left…so long as they were fed

Sleep sheep most became…buried in a borrowed bed

Wake up and uphold…what God has always said:

Don't step over others…to reach a higher end

Love each other so…to the Truth you'd be led.

Ali Adams 2006

The book is duaaware for all and all I ask in return is to please consider giving to people, animals, and plants near you clean air, water, food, medicine, clothes, etc. and send sincere greetings to our beloved Prophet Muhammed and his progeny may Allah's blessings be upon them all.

I have emailed Al-Sistani offices in the UK and the US:

ask@imam-us.org;

info@imam-us.org;

reflections@imam-us.org;

post@najaf.org;

answers@najaf.org;

eanswers@najaf.org

بِسْمِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ

AsSalam Alaykum,

With the grace of Allah upon me, I have been guided to a valuable secret within the Quran and would like your respected office to evaluate correctness and authenticate or refute it once and for all to give some credibility to my reseach or to stop it completely as a worst case scenario.

Please find attached a booklet I;ve written about the Quran and Prime Numbers and its implication to possible events in 1433 Hijri = 2012 AH.

Englisn and Arabic summaried are attached too.

Here is a very short summary:

Prime numbers are whole numbers that cannot be divided by any other numbers except themselves and one. For example:

2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47,

53, 59, 61, 67, 71, 73, 79, 83, 89, 97, 101, 103, 107, …

Please don't confuse prime with odd and even numbers, 2 is prime and 9 is not.

The Quran starts with a chapter called The Key (الفاتحة) that consists of 7 verses, 29 words and 139 letters.

"In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Benevolent." بِسْمِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ .1

"All praise to Allah, Sustainer of all the worlds." ٱلْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رَبِّ ٱلْعَٰلَمِينَ .2

"The Merciful, the Benevolent." ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيم .3

"Master of the Day of Judgment," مَٰلِكِ يَوْمِ ٱلدِّينِ .4

"You alone we worship; You alone we ask for help." إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ .5

"Guide us to the Right Path:" ٱهْدِنَا ٱلصِّرَٰطَ ٱلْمُسْتَقِيمَ .6

وَلَا ٱلضَّآلِّين صِرَٰطَ ٱلَّذِينَ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ غَيْرِ ٱلْمَغْضُوبِ عَلَيْهِمَْ .7

"The path of those whom You have bestowed your bounties upon;

not of those who have brought upon themselves Your wrath,

nor of those who went astray."

7, 29, and 139 are prime numbers. Their digit sums 7=7, 2+9=11, 1+3+9=13 are prime numbers

and the sum of the digit sums 7+11+13 = 31 is a prime number too.

What's more, joining the numbers left-to-right (729139) and right-to-left (139297) also produces prime numbers with digit sum of 7+2+9+1+3+9=31 which is a prime number too.

Chapter The Merciful (الرحمن) has 31 repetitions of the verse:

فَبِأَىِّ ءَالَآءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ

"What other bounties of your Sustainer do you still belie"

These 31 repetitions occur at verse numbers:

13, 16, 18, 21, 23, 25, 28, 30, 32, 34, 36, 38, 40, 42, 45, 47, 49, 51, 53, 55, 57, 59, 61, 63, 65, 67, 69, 71, 73, 75, 77

31 is a prime number too.

The sum of these verse numbers is:

13+16+18+21+23+25+28+30+32+34+36+38+40+42+45+47+49+51+53+55+57+59+61+63+65+67+69+71+73+75+77 = 1433

1433 is a prime number and its digit sum 1+4+3+3=11 is a prime number too.

The current Islamic year is 1430AH (2009AD) therefore the above 1433 number may be a pointer to the year 1433AH (2012AD).

But Allah swt gave us the much needed evidence that it is indeed a pointer to a Hijri year and not any Hijri year but a Hijri year with 355 days like 1433AH by making chapter The Merciful to have exactly 355 words including bismAllah.

This instantly reveals a one-to-one mapping of words to days in 1433AH with the repeated Merciful verse (فَبِأَىِّ ءَالَآءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ) having four words and is repeated 31 times, the first occurrence of it will fall on 14th Safar 1433AH or 7th January 2012 and the last occurrence to end on the 7th November 2012.

31 times a minor 4-day event will (with God's permission) take place before a major revenge by Allah on those who belie His bounties upon us will be unleashed shortly thereafter as per Quran chapter #44 Al-Dukhaan verses 10-16.

Quran 44:10 فَٱرْتَقِبْ يَوْمَ تَأْتِى ٱلسَّمَآءُ بِدُخَانٍۢ مُّبِينٍ

"Look out for a day when the sky brings a revealing smoke."

Quran 44:15 إِنَّا كَاشِفُوا۟ ٱلْعَذَابِ قَلِيلًا ۚ إِنَّكُمْ عَآئِدُونَ

"We are lifting the punishment a little (due to your sincere pleas)

but you will soon be back to your old ways."

Quran 44:16 يَوْمَ نَبْطِشُ ٱلْبَطْشَةَ ٱلْكُبْرَىٰٓ إِنَّا مُنتَقِمُونَ

"On a day when we seize you with a mighty onslaught;

We are taking revenge."

Further evidence that the sun will be blocked out suddenly:

Quran 36:37 وَءَايَةٌۭ لَّهُمُ ٱلَّيْلُ نَسْلَخُ مِنْهُ ٱلنَّهَارَ فَإِذَا هُم مُّظْلِمُونَ

"And a sign for them the night We peel daylight out of it and behold

they are plunged into darkness."

But only Allah Almighty knows and controls what is going to happen and praise to Him He named the chapter The Merciful, so let's hope for the best.

Please see the attached booklet for full details.

Ali Adams

God > infinity

Edited September 21, 2009 by aliadams

[Researcher]

LOL the [Edited] can't even answer simple questions. So, he has no authority for any of this apart from the black hole he pulled it out from. I must admit this is no real surprise. I say with full confidence that he is a fraud and a deceiver out to hoodwink gullible people. I have already given one example of why his 'proofs' are worth less than the dirt on my shoe, and he has singularly proven himself unable to address this.

Unfortunately he has found a wealth of sheeple to buy into his con trick. 2012 and 1433 are both decimal numbers referring to a date in the future. This fraudster has gone back and picked and chosen parts of the Qur'an where the numbers fit his delusions. He has left 99.9% of the rest as it didn't have the numbers (e.g. 1433 or 2012) that he was looking for. Why did he sum up:

13+16+18+21+23+25+28+30+32+34+36+38+40+42+45+47+49+51+53+55+57+59+61+63+65+67+69+71+73+75+77

Why didn't he multiply them? Or divide them? It's because he started out with the target '1433' in his mind in the first place, then he went along and 'found' the numbers using his highly selective routine.

He doesn't answer my questions when he responds, which proves he's not here to discuss but to promote. I will look forward to bearing witness against him and others like him I have confronted (such as the author MAS Abdul Haleem) before Allah. I accuse Aliadams (not that he cares of course, but he will ).

He wrote:

7, 29, and 139 are prime numbers.

Their digit sums 7=7, 2+9=11, 1+3+9=13 are prime numbers

and the sum of the digit sums 7+11+13 = 31 is a prime number too.

Joining the numbers left-to-right (729139) and right-to-left (139297) also produces prime numbers with digit sum of 7+2+9+1+3+9=31 which is a prime number too.

I refuted this with the rather obvious step:

7 verses, 29 words, 139 letters.

In octal (why not?):

7 verses;

35 words;

213 letters.

All of the above are the same (prime) values as decimal 7, 29, 139. Just in octal. Why octal? Might as well be octal as at the time of the Qur'an's revelation the Arabs were not using Indian base-10 numbers.

Now what does this tell us using 'numerology'?

Let's do it your way:

7=7

3+5=8

2+1+3=6

Now, octal 7 is the same as decimal 7.

Octal 8 is the same as decimal 8.

Octal 6 is the same as decimal 6.

Are 8 and 6 also prime numbers???

Still waiting for an answer from this glib clown. No more poetry or unconvincing protestations of sincerity in the name of Allah. Did I prove you wrong with the above, or not?

Edited October 3, 2009 by inshaAllah
Mind your language

[Shabbar-E-Shabbir]

LOL the braindead [Edited] can't even answer simple questions

Im sorry, why are you 'defending' (according to you) the Qu'ran when you don't value its teachings?

Change your tone at once.

- Also - go watch the odd hundred videos out there talking about scientific and numerical (Golden mean, earth-water ratio) miracles the Qu'ran has brought forth - and this is when someone actually studied the Qu'ran, do not condemn another attempt to being on the verge of finding something else, for it may be something that could change our view on the Qu'ran as we know it

- Secondly, however pointless you may see it, I have sat through a long conversation with his findings, I sense a degree of integrity behind it

Edited October 3, 2009 by inshaAllah

[Researcher]

Im sorry, why are you defending the Qu'ran when you don't value its teachings?

Change your tone at once.

No I will not. You will go and follow the silver-tongued serpent but I will not mince my words. Do you even realise the implications of what he's saying? He found '2012' on Google or a David Icke book or wherever, and now he goes back to the Qur'an and tries to find justification for this, riding the wave of the popular hysteria about 2012 to try and make a name for himself. He never answers any questions and is just here to say 'salam' and put on a show of mock humility while promoting his blatant distortion of the Qur'an. Sorry but I feel the distorters of the Qur'an and those who attribute false sayings or prophecies to Allah by distorting His message deserve MUCH harsher treatment than mere harsh words. You go ahead and believe what you like.

Meanwhile I await his response to my deconstruction of his pathetic methods to 'find' 1433. :)

Edited September 21, 2009 by Researcher

[s.a.b]

If my finding is useful to them then you would take notice and maybe assign some one to validate it and then invite me to Qum/Najaf so I can join a proper group of Quran researcher for the sake of unlocking some hidden knowledge if Allah allows to serve Islam in these difficult times in sha Allah.

If they don't read then they are not deserving of knowing,

If they dismiss it without investigating then God is making them blind,

If they warn me not to follow such a path then they are ignorant.

If they ignorantly associate it with Rashid Khalifa numerical research then they are not to be trusted in any further question and I therefore don't need to do Taqleed except in Jihaad call.

If they don't answer and lose it amongst the million other emails then they are forgiven but again no need to do Taqleed except in Jihaad call.

If they don't answer and keep quite then they are covering part of the truth knowingly which is the definition of KAFIR.

BUT If they ask for more clarification then they have read and understood the gravity of what Allah Al-knowing has shown me and are thus deserving of being part of it.

As I said I will give them one lunar month (29 days) and then I WILL DECLARE my stand here in sha Allah if still alive.

Ali Adams

Sorry to say but your reply look like "my way or highway"

[lion]

it seems that in this day and age , every year is a '2012'. Beyond that , 2012 has no value that we know of. I hate to say this but it is merely a hoax, nothing more than that.

but let me put it this way, 2012 will be nothing compared to whats coming in 2010-2011. The middle east is on the brink of war that could devestate the entire globe,mainly through economics and war. Theres nothing we can to stop an israeli iranian war. nothing, both of them are buying time and biting their nails. if such war happens,and unfortuantely it will, then i believe it will be the war of the age, one that goes beyond 2012.

[ShiaMujahid]

I think as Muslims we need to come down a little harder on the brand of ignorance espoused by aliadams and many others in this fashionable new habit of using numerology and ignorance to interpret the Qur'an.

+1

+2

[aliadams]

+2

Bism Allah Ar-Rahmaan Ar-Raheem,

Salam to all (including the ignorant ones),

Brother ShiaMujahid, I wasn't going to answer the ignorant Researcher to see why I chose decimal number system and other accusations until I saw you +2 count.

I, Ali Adams, therefore declare:

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1) may the Wrath of Allah be on all liars starting with all ignorant people who refuse to read the book and don't even come and ask questions and then form their opinion but directly attack me and my findings just because it looks like others.

2) I am going to answer ALL questions in details and one by one until all of us satisfied. If someone insults me for no proof then he also deserves the above Wrath of Allah.

3) If I convince you (not persuade you) of my arguments logically (not sweet-talking) then it BECOMES your duty to promote them with the same defence I put forward here.

All are welcome to ask any question and I will answer them to the best of my ability and in sha Allah from the Quran too.

Whoever agrees to the above rules, please ask one question at a time (unless the new question is related to the one under discussion).

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OK I will start with:

Q1) Why have I chosen the decimal number system not binary or octal or hexadecimal etc.

A1) The answer consists of three points: (Smiley you may not have heard them all :)

A1_Part_1) My main research finding that the KEY chapter (Al-Fatiha) is independent of any numbering system as I am only concerned with the values of 7, 29, and 139 as values not numbers that are primes in any system base you choose.

A1_Part_2) Allah swt has sent the Quran to Earth people because He always says The Heavens and Earth, why single out Earth if it was not for Earth beings (Human and Jinn)? If you agree with the above then we have been given a default system the decimal because we have been give 10 fingers to count with.

A1_Part_3) Allah swt says in Quran 89:1–5

ÃÚæÐ ÈÇááå ãä ÇáÔíØٰä ÇáÑÌíã ÈöÓúãö ٱááøóåö ٱáÑøóÍúãóٰäö ٱáÑøóÍöíãö

In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. ÈöÓúãö ٱááøóåö ٱáÑøóÍúãóٰäö ٱáÑøóÍöíãö

By the dawn. æóٱáúÝóÌúÑö .1

By the ten nights. æóáóíóÇáò ÚóÔúÑòۢ .2

By the divisible (composite) and the indivisible (prime). æóٱáÔøóÝúÚö æóٱáúæóÊúÑö .3

By the night as it eases away. æóٱáøóíúáö ÅöÐóÇ íóÓúÑö .4

Isn’t that a big enough oath for he who can think? åóáú Ýöì Ðóٰáößó ÞóÓóãñۭ áøöÐöì ÍöÌúÑò .5

The interpretation is mine and was interpreted so AFTER I found the prime numbers in the KEY chapter. This instead of by the odd and the even which has nothing special except divisibility by 2. Allah when swears by something He is saying look there is a deep meaning here, go and find it if you can. You will never fin it except with My Permission and Help.

If you think you know what prime numbers are then I suggest that you watch a BBC Horizon documentary called “Music of the Primes” and then come here and swear with the value of all your good deeds that you knew all of this before.

If you don’t have access to it, I can upload it to a file sharing server and see if you can do that for the sake of finding the Truth.

What everybody knows (I hope) is that prime numbers are unlike odd numbers, not only they are not divisible by 2, but are not divisible by any other numbers except themselves. Divisibility by 1 never divides a number into smaller parts and thus is discounted.

However what many don’t realize is that prime numbers are the building blocks for all composite numbers by multiplication in one way only (e.g. 12 = 2 * 2 * 3). This is called the Fundamental Theory of Arithmetic.

Even worse, the majority of people don’t realize that prime numbers have no regular patterns to where they occur within the natural numbers. They could popup any place unexpectedly. The only clear thing is they become rarer and rarer as we go up the number ladder BUT NEVER diminish. This was first claimed by Gauss to be a natural log decrease but this claim is only correct near infinity and thus has many unpredictable error terms. These error terms can be offset by the Riemann Hypothesis which was proposed in 1859 and still not proven and thus there is a $1m prize for the proof but in reality whoever crack the secret of prime numbers stands to be the hero of their nation as that knowledge will render all communication channels open to eavesdropping instantly.

So when Muslims find that THE KEY is based on prime numbers (7, 29, 139) then THEY MUST STAND BACK AND TAKE NOTICE.

All this and I didn’t need to use the decimal number and the 1433=2012 doesn’t need it either. In fact the 1433=2012 does not even need THE KEY, THE KEY only serves to enforce that this is no a coincident.

Next I want to hear more about this answer before I deal with the decimal system implications (i.e. digit sums and additive prime numbers)

Salam and hope for some civilized responses.

Al-hamdu liAllah Rabb Al-3aalemeen.

Ali

[fyst]

I agree with the critics here that aliadams analysis is worthless (on several levels).

I'm going to start at the beginning. I read 31 words in Surah Fatiha, not 29. aliadams, have you counted the two "wa"s in the surah?

[lion]

^ wa is not a word

[aliadams]

I'm going to start at the beginning. I read 31 words in Surah Fatiha, not 29. aliadams, have you counted the two "wa"s in the surah?

Dear fyst,

Here is my Research Methodology straight from book if you care to read point 5 or ask first then criticise. Thank you.

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Research Methodology

This research effort proposes and complies with the following rules:

1. The Quran is the Word of Allah and is protected by Him throughout time.

2. The Quran is the book with the recitation method of Hafs (قرآءة حفص).

3. The Quran is the book with the writing method of Uthmani (الرسم العُثماني).

4. The decimal (base10) system is the system to be used for prime number studies of the Holy Text as per Quran 89:1–5

أعوذ بالله من الشيطٰن الرجيم بِسْمِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ

In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. بِسْمِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ

By the dawn. وَٱلْفَجْرِ .1

By the ten nights. وَلَيَالٍ عَشْرٍۢ .2

By the divisible (composite) and the indivisible (prime). وَٱلشَّفْعِ وَٱلْوَتْرِ .3

By the night as it eases away. وَٱلَّيْلِ إِذَا يَسْرِ .4

Isn't that a big enough oath for he who can think? هَلْ فِى ذَٰلِكَ قَسَمٌۭ لِّذِى حِجْرٍ .5

[interpreted by Ali Adams]

5. The definition of a word is one or more letters followed by a space character or ends a verse. The English word "and" is represented in Arabic by a single letter "و" that is always connected to the word that follows it and hence becomes part of it not an independent word by itself.

6. The Arabic standalone hamza (ء) as in the word (ٱلْقُرْءَانَ) is considered as an independent letter and therefore the Arabic language is considered to use 29 letters instead of 28 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamza]. The standalone hamza is placed at the beginning of the alphabet, preceding the elf (ا) just as it precedes it in the word (ٱلْقُرْءَانَ).

7. If a mathematical proof is found to fit almost all of the Quranic text but not exactly all. We must never ever ask to change the Quranic text to fit our theory. This is a classic case where Allah Almighty is testing the strength of our belief in Him against our belief in math and sciences that are created by Him. Remember mathematics is not perfect as it had to be fixed by making 0^0 = 1 and 0! = 1 so it stays internally consistent.

This man-made fix may sadly be preventing us from seeing more into reality. Just ask superstring theorists [www.superstringtheory.com] who ended up with five different solutions to what reality is that are all internally consistent but not externally with each other.

8. When manipulating numbers, only the following operations are allowed:

a. the value of a number must be represented in decimal system only.

b. the arithmetic operations +, × for two or more numbers of the same kind (e.g. verses number with verse numbers, digit sums with digit sums, primalogy values with primalogy values, etc. No mix and match is allowed).

c. the arithmetic operations −, ÷ for two numbers of the same kind.

d. the arithmetic operations ^,!, √ for a single number.

e. is the number divisible (composite) or indivisible (prime)?

f. if divisible, the number prime factors (divisors) can be used.

g. if divisible, the values of its prime factors can be used.

h. if divisible, the sum of its prime factors can be used.

i. if divisible, the gap between its prime factors can be used.

j. the number of digits in the number, their sum, and gap between neighboring digits.

k. are all digits prime numbers? is the sum of the digits prime?

l. concatenating numbers right to left (Arabic direction) is the mandatory, left to right (Latin direction) is optional.

m.splitting numbers into digit groups of fixed size or well related sizes only (e.g. with Fibonacci, golden ratio φ, π or e digits gaps).

n. digits mirroring (e.g. 12345 becomes 54321) if used consistently.

o. mapping numbers to Hijri days, months, years, and dates.

p. mapping numbers to times at specified locations, or Makkah if the not specified as the Islamic Dateline passes through Makkah along the sunset horizon of that day.

q. mapping Quranic text extended sounds to values proportionally. For example the sound lengths of the highlighted words in:

أعوذ بالله من الشيطٰن الرجيم بِسْمِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلرَّحْمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ

"وَلَا ٱلضَّآلِّين صِرَٰطَ ٱلَّذِينَ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ غَيْرِ ٱلْمَغْضُوبِ عَلَيْهِمَْ"

"The path of those whom You bestowed your bounties upon;

not of those who have brought upon themselves Your wrath,

nor of those who went astray"

are 1, 1, and 6 may give a clue to the ratio of such types of people:

1/8 are good, 1/8 are bad, 6/8 are astray, misguided, or clueless.

r. All operations must be applied consistently, not randomly to get to desired results.

s. All numbers are important even the seemingly non-interesting ones.

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Please read the book before you shoot :)

Quran 49:6

يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ إِن جَآءَكُمْ فَاسِقٌۢ بِنَبَإٍ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓا۟ أَن تُصِيبُوا۟ قَوْمًۢا بِجَهَٰلَةٍ فَتُصْبِحُوا۟ عَلَىٰ مَا فَعَلْتُمْ نَٰدِمِينَ

[Shakir 50:6] Do they not then look up to heaven above them how We have made it and adorned it and it has no gaps?

[Yusufali 50:6] Do they not look at the sky above them?- How We have made it and adorned it, and there are no flaws in it?

[Pickthal 50:6] Have they not then observed the sky above them, how We have constructed it and beautified it, and how there are no rifts therein?

Salam

Ali

Edited September 22, 2009 by aliadams

[Quisant]

So when Muslims find that THE KEY is based on prime numbers (7, 29, 139) then THEY MUST STAND BACK AND TAKE NOTICE.

All this and I didn’t need to use the decimal number and the 1433=2012 doesn’t need it either. In fact the 1433=2012 does not even need THE KEY, THE KEY only serves to enforce that this is no a coincident.

Next I want to hear more about this answer before I deal with the decimal system implications (i.e. digit sums and additive prime numbers)

Salam and hope for some civilized responses.

Al-hamdu liAllah Rabb Al-3aalemeen.

Ali

Many claims have been made of miraculous patterns occurring in sacred texts.

The truth is that one could pick up any book from a bookstore and find all sorts of codes and numerological patterns in it.

The same kind of argument has been made for the Bible and the Torah and the odds that were given in the book were trillions and trillions to one that these codes were in there by chance.

Unfortunately you will find that the novel, "MobyDick" , has the same sort of code patterns as the Bible!

This type of thing has also been found in the U.S. Constitution and Tolstoy's War and Peace. Does that mean that these works contain a hidden numerological Divine message? Obviously not.

Scientific Refutation numerical Codes:

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/torah.html

And is the Quran you are looking at the exact copy of the earliest Quran?

[fyst]

5. The definition of a word is one or more letters followed by a space character or ends a verse. The English word "and" is represented in Arabic by a single letter "æ" that is always connected to the word that follows it and hence becomes part of it not an independent word by itself.

Okay, so let's work with this.

Now you've said that Fatihah means "Key", but the only reason it is called al-Fatihah is because Fatihah means the "Opening" or "Beginning", as this surah is at the start of the Qur'an (Fatihatul Kitab). So why do you call it "the Key"?