Are There Any Real Scientific Facts In The Quran?

[bladeknight]

The title says it all.

[Nazar_Abbas]

Long list ! :)

http://www.quranandscience.com/

[lion]

I guess im qualified to post on this subject. simple answer is yes. what I have found out is that Quran is divided into two parts: verses which are not restricted by time and ones that are. What i mean here is that as time progresses verses are revealed to humans in a manner that is understandable.

for example , back some time ago no one knew what the quran meant when speaking about the unbelievers and describing their chests becomg narrow and constricted ''as if they had ascended to the sky''

modern science reveals to us exactly what is meant here.

so does this limit the message of the quran to? no, the essentials are time irrelevant. ie i dont need to know the verse about air pressure for example to have faith in islam.

there are many scientific refrences in the quran and you can easily find a decent list online

salam

[AbuHope]

The Quran, IMHO, is not a science book and should not be approached as such. But yes, there are facts and statements in the verses of the Quran that could come under the category of ''scientifical facts''.

[Ali Abdul-Hussain]

Long list ! :)

http://www.quranandscience.com/

That is an AWESOME site. Thanks bro Nazar. :)

[Nazar_Abbas]

That is an AWESOME site. Thanks bro Nazar. :)

My Pleasure dear ! :)

[mansab.jafri]

(salam)

For the sake of your own knowledge, please do not visit such sites. They will not give you correct information from both angles: The scientific angle, and the exegetical angle (exegesis=tafseer).

Not to get sectarian, but these are also mainly Sunni sites who do not share the same views as us on the Qur'an.

Many of the verses are twisted out of context, like the alleged "big bang verse". If you truly want to understand the Qur'an, visit the Riwaayaat of our Ahlul'bayt (as), and look into the Tafaseer of our scholars like Sheikh Tabrasi (ra) in Majma' ul-Bayaan fi Tafseer il-Qur'an, 'Allama Tabataba'i (ra) in al-Mizan fi Tafseer il-Qur'an, Syed ul-Khoe'i (ra) in al-Bayaan fi Tafseer il-Qur'an, etc. The latter two are translated in English (al-Mizan being partially translated).

- Mansab

Edited September 15, 2009 by mansab.jafri

[lion]

(salam)

For the sake of your own knowledge, please do not visit such sites. They will not give you correct information from both angles: The scientific angle, and the exegetical angle (exegesis=tafseer).

Not to get sectarian, but these are also mainly Sunni sites who do not share the same views as us on the Qur'an.

Many of the verses are twisted out of context, like the alleged "big bang verse". If you truly want to understand the Qur'an, visit the Riwaayaat of our Ahlul'bayt (as), and look into the Tafaseer of our scholars like Sheikh Tabrasi (ra) in Majma' ul-Bayaan fi Tafseer il-Qur'an, 'Allama Tabataba'i (ra) in al-Mizan fi Tafseer il-Qur'an, Syed ul-Khoe'i (ra) in al-Bayaan fi Tafseer il-Qur'an, etc. The latter two are translated in English (al-Mizan being partially translated).

- Mansab

mansab, with all due respect brother, you need to understand some basic fundementals:

1.tafseer is opinion

2.tafseer is relative to time

3.if we had the tafseer of the quran from the imams then we wouldnt be discussing this would we?

4.science is a reality of creation, a theory of science may or maybe not be.

there is nothing wrong with using science to do quran tafseer,infact it is wise to do so.

let me ask you this, since you claim to know the tafseer of the quran, what is the meaning AND point behind God swt saying :

"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

you see the bolded text, what does that tell you? that tells you the unbelievers WILL SEE OR GET TO KNOW that the heaven and earth were joined together,

it doesnt say that the heaven and earth were joined together..etc , it specifically says DO NOT THE UNBELIEVERS SEE

what is the importance behind ''see'' here mansab?

this proves my point that the quran is relative to time, no matter what you say or do this verse can not be twisted.

Edited September 15, 2009 by lion

[culturei]

the question should be

is there any real conflict between science and quran?

[mansab.jafri]

mansab, with all due respect brother, you need to understand some basic fundementals:

1.tafseer is opinion

2.tafseer is relative to time

3.if we had the tafseer of the quran from the imams then we wouldnt be discussing this would we?

4.science is a reality of creation, a theory of science may or maybe not be.

there is nothing wrong with using science to do quran tafseer,infact it is wise to do so.

let me ask you this, since you claim to know the tafseer of the quran, what is the meaning AND point behind God swt saying :

"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

you see the bolded text, what does that tell you? that tells you the unbelievers WILL SEE OR GET TO KNOW that the heaven and earth were joined together,

it doesnt say that the heaven and earth were joined together..etc , it specifically says DO NOT THE UNBELIEVERS SEE

what is the importance behind ''see'' here mansab?

this proves my point that the quran is relative to time, no matter what you say or do this verse can not be twisted.

(salam)

With due respect to you, you don't know what Tafseer is nor have you studied any.

As for the Ayat... please, you can go read the Tafseer of that Ayat from the narration of Imam Baqir (as) which makes perfect sense.

This whole Science fi Tafseer il-Qur'an... not a very smart idea, nor is its basis in any narration from the Ma'sumeen (as). If you want to use supposed scientific "facts" and things and then go to Sunni websites with Sunni references and methodologies to reinforce your faith, then go ahead. Eventually, people who do this grow out of it.

Granted, scientific facts exist in the Qur'an, but much of this charade involves twisting verses out of context, removing their importance, and distorting their relevance. It shows a blatant disregard for actual religious knowledge, and a rather shaky sort of faith.

- Mansab

Edited September 16, 2009 by mansab.jafri

[lion]

mansab,

thank you for your reply,

It is very easy to say you're wrong but you are not tackling my 4 points i've made.

here let me make this simple:

you agreed with me that scientific facts are found in the quran, why does the tafseer we have lack in terms of science then?

tafseer in itself is a form of science.

salam

[bladeknight]

Are there any scientific facts from the Shia tafsir of the Quran?

[AbdullaQ]

Besides tafseer, have you looked at the mathematical harmony of the Holy Quran?

Things I have checked:

- Word Day 365

- Word Month 12

- Word Year 19

- Word Imam 12

- Words Angel & Jin are equal

- Words Male and Female are equal

- Seven Heavens is mentioned seven times

- ... I will try to find my counts for you

Things I have read about but not personally checked

- The word They Said (Qalo) and he Said (Qala)

- Good vs Bad

- Water to Earth ratio is equal to Earth to Water surface ratio of the earth

- ..etc

I think you get the idea. After I spent many weeks validating many counts I just gave up and said There is no God but Allah.

Peace.

Edited October 23, 2009 by AbdullaQ

[bladeknight]

Besides tafseer, have you looked at the mathematical harmony of the Holy Quran?

Things I have checked:

- Word Day 365

- Word Month 12

- Word Year 19

- Word Imam 12

- Words Angel & Jin are equal

- Words Male and Female are equal

- Seven Heavens is mentioned seven times

- ... I will try to find my counts for you

Things I have read about but not personally checked

- The word They Said (Qalo) and he Said (Qala)

- Good vs Bad

- Water to Earth ratio is equal to Earth to Water surface ratio of the earth

- ..etc

I think you get the idea. After I spent many weeks validating many counts I just gave up and said There is no God but Allah.

Peace.

This is but one of the miracles of the Quran. But, the bible apparently has a code in it as well. I am just wondering if the Shias believe that there are some scientfic miracles in the Quran?

[Fiasco]

Besides tafseer, have you looked at the mathematical harmony of the Holy Quran?

Things I have checked:

- Word Day 365

- Word Month 12

- Word Year 19

- Word Imam 12

- Words Angel & Jin are equal

- Words Male and Female are equal

- Seven Heavens is mentioned seven times

- ... I will try to find my counts for you

Things I have read about but not personally checked

- The word They Said (Qalo) and he Said (Qala)

- Good vs Bad

- Water to Earth ratio is equal to Earth to Water surface ratio of the earth

- ..etc

I think you get the idea. After I spent many weeks validating many counts I just gave up and said There is no God but Allah.

Peace.

I would be more careful in accepting these claims as true. Most individuals that put forth such claims rarely employ adequate scholarly standards.

Edited October 23, 2009 by Fiasco

[MFAHH]

(salam)

With due respect to you, you don't know what Tafseer is nor have you studied any.

As for the Ayat... please, you can go read the Tafseer of that Ayat from the narration of Imam Baqir (as) which makes perfect sense.

This whole Science fi Tafseer il-Qur'an... not a very smart idea, nor is its basis in any narration from the Ma'sumeen (as). If you want to use supposed scientific "facts" and things and then go to Sunni websites with Sunni references and methodologies to reinforce your faith, then go ahead. Eventually, people who do this grow out of it.

Granted, scientific facts exist in the Qur'an, but much of this charade involves twisting verses out of context, removing their importance, and distorting their relevance. It shows a blatant disregard for actual religious knowledge, and a rather shaky sort of faith.

- Mansab

Would it be possible for you to share the narration of Imam Baqir (as) ?

Jazak'Allah Khair in advance.

Edited October 23, 2009 by MFAHH

[culturei]

how about that rain comes from clouds :)

[Rohani]

(salam)

these sound like question from people who have not even read a qu'ran, or from someone who is of another religion. brother why are you asking so many strange questions? you can find proofs and facts in every single verse of Allah's qu'ran. one must ponder and think deeply and consider deeply. the whole book is a sign from Allah in it's self and everything it explains is true and a proof!

but i am starting to think your asking some odd questions i mean scientific proof from qu'ran is all over all you have to do is look. and why present it as "is there any REAL" it is all real you must read it to understand and seek Allah's guidance to be guided in it.

(wasalam)

[Abu Nur]

The title says it all.

(salam)

Qur'an is not a book of Science. But it does speak truth.

Edited October 23, 2009 by Zufa

[mansab.jafri]

Would it be possible for you to share the narration of Imam Baqir (as) ?

Jazak'Allah Khair in advance.

(salam)

al-'Allamat ul-Tabataba'i (ra) in al-Mizaan fi Tafseer il-Qur'an quotes:

و في الاحتجاج، و روي: أن عمرو بن عبيد وفد على محمد بن علي الباقر (عليهما السلام) لامتحانه بالسؤال عنه فقال له: جعلت فداك ما معنى قوله تعالى: «أ و لم ير الذين كفروا - إن السماوات و الأرض كانتا رتقا ففتقناهما» ما هذا الرتق و الفتق؟ فقال أبو جعفر (عليه السلام): كانت السماء رتقا لا تنزل القطر و كانت الأرض رتقا لا تخرج النبات ففتق الله السماء بالقطر و فتق الأرض بالنبات فانقطع عمرو بن عبيد و لم يجد اعتراضا و مضى.

"From al-Ihtijaaj, that 'Umru ibn 'Ubaid sent to Muhammad ibn 'Ali il-Baqir (as) a question for his examination regarding the words of Allah 'Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were closed up, but We have opened them...'. He said: "What is this al-Ratqa (being closed) and al-Fatqa (undoing/unsewing)", and Imam Baqir (as) said: "The sky was closed up (Ratqan) [in the sense that] it was not sending down rain and the earth was closed up [in the sense that] it was not growing the vegetation. Then Allah "opened/unsewed" (fataqa) the sky through the rain and "opened/unsewed" (fataqa) the earth through the vegetation." Then 'Umru ceased and did not find any objection and he left."

You will appreciate that this is an extremely beautiful and eloquent style of speech. And the explanation offered by the Imam (as) is supported by the clause which says "and we made everything living out of water." The explanation offered by internet pseudo-intellectuals (that this verse refers to the Big Bang in some strange way) is absolutely incorrect and doesn't really make much sense, either.

Allah has not said that the Heaven and Earth were closed up together as a single mass, and then this mass was cloven. Rather, Allah has said that both the Heaven and Earth independently were closed up, and Allah unsewed BOTH of them, i.e. they were not together as one and then separated, but rather they are both taken as separate entities and Allah unstitched them independently, as in the noble Riwaayat posted above. The term ففتقناهما which means "then we unsewed/opened them both" shows this clearly. As you can see, the explanation offered by the proponents of scientific exegesis of the Qur'an is clearly incorrect in light of language.

Anyways, everyone, please, please, please just be careful about websites (like those hastily posted above) that are not scholarly researches or based on any legitimate methodology. Just refer to the authoritative works of our scholars. Our scholars devoted their entire lives to preserving and spreading the teachings of our masters Ahlul'bayt (as) so that we can make use of it.

- Mansab

Edited October 24, 2009 by mansab.jafri