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Below is a hadis of Bukhari,by using this hadis nasbi claims that bibi ayasha was superior lady from all the ladies on earth, either she was Hazart Fatima a.s or Hazart Maryam a.s

Volume 7, Book 65, Number 330:[sahi Bukhari}

Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said, "The superiority of 'Aisha to other women is like the superiority of Tharid to other kinds of food . "

I did not know much about ilm-e-rijal so first kindly tell me about the sand of this hadis.

second a like to ask from nasbi,

if a person goes against Allah his prophet and quran how can be he/she be the superior then those people who spend their life accroding to the ruling of Allah his prophet and quran.

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Did Fatima (ra) ever say anything bad about Aisha (ra) or any of the other wives (ra) of the Prophet (SAW)? GIVE ME IMPARTIAL SOURCES.

reply to wat OP has asked

for yr question u may start a new topic plz

dont change the topic plx

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I'll answer the question, but before I do that, I need one thing clarified. I am a Sunni who loves the Ahl-ul-Bayt because we are commanded to. If I give an answer that does not affirm or coincide with your belief about Aisha (ra) or Fatima (ra) are you then going to call me a "nasibi"?

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I'll answer the question, but before I do that, I need one thing clarified. I am a Sunni who loves the Ahl-ul-Bayt because we are commanded to. If I give an answer that does not affirm or coincide with your belief about Aisha (ra) or Fatima (ra) are you then going to call me a "nasibi"?

again plz dont change the topic

eaither u reply and if u wish a reply for other topic start a new topic plz-but plz dont change topic by making assumptions

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again plz dont change the topic

eaither u reply and if u wish a reply for other topic start a new topic plz-but plz dont change topic by making assumptions

I'm not going to reply if he's going to call me a nasibi after I respond. I don't take kindly to such abuse, especially WHEN I KNOW IT'S NOT TRUE. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT I HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THESE THINGS BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS HERE SEEM TO THROW AROUND THAT TERM LIKE IT HAS SOME NEW, NICE MEANING THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF.

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Fine, you want a reply. The majority of Sunnis believe that Aisha (ra) was one of the best of believers, one of the best of women, the "Mother of Believers" for her vast knowledge. There are many narrations of her teaching and giving guidance. However, these titles are just titles. Honorable titles such as these indicate that you should take guidance from the people that they are applied to. They are in no way meant to be taken literally.

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This is the first I've heard. Source?

We read in al Imama wal Siyasa, page 59 Chapter "Dhikr Jamal" with regards to Ayesha that:

"When she began her opposition to Ali, she and her supporters began to make their way to Basra. On route, the dogs of Hawab began to bark at them. Ayesha asked Muhammad bin Talha "Which place is this?” He said "Its is Hawab" to which Ayesha replied "Take me back for on one occasion Rasulullah (s) said, 'Amongst you (wives) is one at whom the dogs of Hawab shall bark.' He (s) said to me specifically, 'Be careful, in case it is you'." Muhammad bin Talha said 'Leave these things and proceed'. Abdullah bin Zubayr then swore in the name of Allah that they had left Hawab (behind them) during the first part of the night; he brought some men who testified likewise. The Ulema of Islam have declared the event of Hawab to have been the first false testimony in Islam".

Imam Ahmed records:

Qays said: ‘When Ayesha reached Bani Amer's well at night, some dogs barked at her. She asked: ‘What is the name of this well?’ They replied: ‘This is Hawab’s well’. She replied: ‘I have to return’. Some of those who were with her said: ‘Nay you shall go forward so that the Muslims shall see you and Allah makes peace’. She replied: ‘Allah's messenger (pbuh) once said: ‘Then what would you (the wives of the prophet) do when you hear the barking of Al-Hawab dogs?’

[Musnad Ahmed bin Hanbal, Volume 6 page 52 Tradition 24299]

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http://islamport.com/d/1/mtn/1/89/3518.html

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Ths margin writer of the book Shaykh Shu'aib al-Arnaout said:

‘The chain is Sahih and the narrators are reliable (Thuqat), the narrators of the two Sheikhs’

This tradition also can be found in:

1. Musanaf ibn Aby Shayba, Volumne 8 page 708

2. Musnad ibn Rahweh, Volume 2 page 32

3. Musanaf Abdulrazaq, Volume 11 page 365

4. Sahih Ibn Haban, Volume 15 page 126

5. Musnad Aby Y'ala, Volume 8 page 282 (the margin writer Hussain Salim Asad said that the chain is Sahih).

We read the following tradition in Kanz ul Ummal which has been declared Sahih by Mulla Muttaqi Hindi:

Tawoos narrates that Allah's Messenger (s) said to his wives: ‘Who amongst you shall have the dogs of so and so bark at them? Oh Humayra, will it be you?’

http://islamport.com/d/1/krj/1/76/902.html

Kanz ul Ummal, Volume 11 page 334 Tradition 31671

Imam Abi Bakar al-Haythami records:

æÚä ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ ÞÇá : ÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã áäÓÇÆå : áíÊ ÔÚÑí ÃíÊßä ÕÇÍÈÉ ÇáÌãá ÇáÃÏíÈ ÊÎÑÌ ÝíäÈÍåÇ ßáÇÈ ÍæÃÈ íÞÊá Úä íãíäåÇ æÚä íÓÇÑåÇ ÞÊáì ßËíÑ Ëã ÊäÌæ ÈÚÏ ãÇ ßÇÏÊ

Ibn Abbas narrates that Allah's messenger (s) said to his wives: Who amongst shall be the rider of the camel who when marching, shall have the dogs of Hawab bark at her? Thereafter many people shall be killed on her left and right sides, she would subsequently survive after which she will be made to feel guilty’.

http://islamport.com/d/1/krj/1/81/1275.html

Majma al-Zawaed, Volume 7 page 474 Tradition 12026

More references can be given on demand :)

For more see Reply One - The barking of Hawab's dogs at Ayesha proves that her conduct was unlawfulin the following spectacular article by one and only answering-ansar.org

http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/ayesha/en/chap2.php

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The majority of Sunnis believe that Aisha was one of the best of believers, one of the best of women, the "Mother of Believers" for her vast knowledge

Amazing!!!!

she have the knowladge????? about what islam or any thing else ?????

if she have the knowlagdge then she never disobey Quran

"And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, " sura Azhab

and my question from sunni and nasbi remain the same

any one like to reply on that

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The majority of Sunnis believe that Aisha was one of the best of believers, one of the best of women, the "Mother of Believers" for her vast knowledge

Amazing!!!!

she have the knowladge????? about what islam or any thing else ?????

if she have the knowlagdge then she never disobey Quran

"And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, " sura Azhab

and my question from sunni and nasbi remain the same

any one like to reply on that

I already responded to your question very succinctly. It's not my fault that you can't seem to read and understand what I wrote.

Read the next few sentences after those that you decided to quote. I'll paraphrase for you. These titles, namely "Mothers of Believers", are just titles. They are in no way meant to be taken literally. They simply are an indication that you can take guidance and knowledge from her.

Finally, did you meant to say at the end that your question to Sunni and Nasibis remain the same? Are you equating Sunni with Nasibi?

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i think you are not reading my question or did not want to understand what i am saying

on the basises of hadis mention in bukhari sunni and nasbi both claims that bibi ayasha was the most superior lady on earth.

on this i make an objection

if some one disobey quran can we say he/she is superior then those who lead their life accroding to quran

like hazart fatima a.s and hazart maryam a.s

give simple answar what do you think

is bibi ayasha is superior then the both ladies i metion above or not.

if yes then prove it

if no then then ask from bukhari or his follower why he explain such kind of lie hadis.

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i think you are not reading my question or did not want to understand what i am saying

on the basises of hadis mention in bukhari sunni and nasbi both claims that bibi ayasha was the most superior lady on earth.

on this i make an objection

if some one disobey quran can we say he/she is superior then those who lead their life accroding to quran

like hazart fatima a.s and hazart maryam a.s

give simple answar what do you think

is bibi ayasha is superior then the both ladies i metion above or not.

if yes then prove it

if no then then ask from bukhari or his follower why he explain such kind of lie hadis.

I gave you my answer. You seem to not be able to understand.

You do not take these titles literally. She may be called "Mother of believers" or "best of believers", but that's just a sign of respect and indication that you can take guidance from her. Nothing more, nothing less. These titles are in no way meant to be taken literally as possibly an assertion of Aisha's (ra) superiority over any other Muslimah of past. Sunni Islam does not dwell on the question of rank with respect to any group of individuals.

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Ask from your other fellow who takes the meaning of this other ways, may be you got some idea what they think about this hadis,

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You do not take these titles literally. She may be called "Mother of believers" or "best of

believers

match your answar with the below hadis

The Prophet said, "The superiority of 'Aisha to other women is like the superiority of Tharid to other kinds of food . "

and now did not send such kind of fool reply again

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Ask from your other fellow who takes the meaning of this other ways, may be you got some idea what they think about this hadis,

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You do not take these titles literally. She may be called "Mother of believers" or "best of

believers

match your answar with the below hadis

The Prophet said, "The superiority of 'Aisha to other women is like the superiority of Tharid to other kinds of food . "

and now did not send such kind of fool reply again

Literalism is a disease. Oh, and I'm laughing at your English.

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Below is a hadis of Bukhari,by using this hadis nasbi claims that bibi ayasha was superior lady from all the ladies on earth, either she was Hazart Fatima a.s or Hazart Maryam a.s

Volume 7, Book 65, Number 330:[sahi Bukhari}

Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said, "The superiority of 'Aisha to other women is like the superiority of Tharid to other kinds of food . "

I did not know much about ilm-e-rijal so first kindly tell me about the sand of this hadis.

second a like to ask from nasbi,

if a person goes against Allah his prophet and quran how can be he/she be the superior then those people who spend their life accroding to the ruling of Allah his prophet and quran.

Aisha like other wives of the Prophet (SAW) was declared mothers of the believers so they are forbidden for the ummat. At the same time she was severely reprimanded by Allah in Surah Tehreem and no matter what Sunnis believe Bukhari and Muslim are not above Quran.

Furthermore she also denied explicit orders from God that the wives should not go out of the house.

This is THE BOOK we are supposed to follow. Either people refute the statements above or they draw valid conclusions from them.

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Aisha like other wives of the Prophet (SAW) was declared mothers of the believers so they are forbidden for the ummat. At the same time she was severely reprimanded by Allah in Surah Tehreem and no matter what Sunnis believe Bukhari and Muslim are not above Quran.

Furthermore she also denied explicit orders from God that the wives should not go out of the house.

This is THE BOOK we are supposed to follow. Either people refute the statements above or they draw valid conclusions from them.

Tks bro

but in case of bibi ayasha suni and whahbi left every thing and make her a best believer

"Best Believer" for what ?????

who did not obey Quran how he / she became the best

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I did not know much about ilm-e-rijal so first kindly tell me about the sand of this hadis.

Which one would you like to know about?

The following hadith has been related by the following:

Bukhari - Adam - Shu'ba - Amru bin Mura - Mura - Abi Musa - The Prophet (pbuh)

Bukhari - Abdulaziz bin Abdullah - Mohammed bin Ja'afar - Abdullah bin Abdulrahman - Anas - The Prophet (pbuh)

Muslim - Abdullah bin Maslama bin Qa'nab - Sulaiman bin Bilal - Abdullah bin Abdulrahman - Anas - The Prophet (pbuh)

Nasai - Ismael bin Masood - Bishr - Shu'ba - Amru bin Mura - Mura - Abu Musa - The Prophet (pbuh)

Nasai - Ali bin Khashram - Eisa bin Yunus - Ibn Abi Thi'b - Harith bin Abdulrahman - Abi Salama - Ai'sha - The Prophet (pbuh)

Tirmithi - Mohammed bin Al Muthana - Mohammed bin Ja'afar - Shu'ba - Amru bin Mura - Mura - Abi Musa - The Prophet (pbuh)

Tirmithi - Ali bin Hajar - Ismael bin Ja'far - Abdulla bin Abdulrahman bin Mua'mar - Anas - The Prophet (pbuh)

There are also versions of the hadith narrated by Sa'ad bin Abi Waqas, Abdulrahman bin Awf, and Qura bin Iyas, but I have my doubts regarding the authenticity of those. There are also a few chains from Bukhari and Muslim that I avoided mentioning for the sake of avoiding repetition, but please, be my guest and look them up if you like.

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