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The quran says that this is the only text we should follow. Why should the hadith exist. If you say that the quran is not self-explainatory, then why did Allah make the quran so difficult to interpret? Allah does not make any references to follow the hadith. The quran is the only thing that we should follow. Explain to me why Allah would make the Quran so difficult to interpret, that we need the hadith to understand it better.

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S.a - You see, Prophets came without a book, but no book came without a Prophet, highlighting the need that the book needs to be interpreted by the Prophet and be taught, preached etc..

So all we have under the line of the Prophet is the Ahlul Bayt (A.S) whom the Prophet recommended to follow (Through his hadeeth), basically, we need both - The Qu'ran & the Hadeeth to understand fully what the Prophet tried to bring to us. Hope I've made it clear.

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The quran says that this is the only text we should follow. Why should the hadith exist. If you say that the quran is not self-explainatory, then why did Allah make the quran so difficult to interpret? Allah does not make any references to follow the hadith. The quran is the only thing that we should follow. Explain to me why Allah would make the Quran so difficult to interpret, that we need the hadith to understand it better.

(bismillah)

The Qur'an commands us to follow Rasulullah (pbuh)- so we obey Allah (swt). In addition to Spizo's rhetoric, there are verses in Surah at-Tawba (Surah No. 9) that command us to "kill them [the kafir] wherever we see them." Do you think we don't need the hadith to understand the context and situation of such an ayah?

Allah (swt) has sent a person to every nation. He (swt) didn't send a book to every nation. The Qur'an isn't difficult to interpret if you have the correct person telling you its meaning(s). Who better than the man through whom it was sent? Allah (swt) wants the focus of our Islam to come from Rasulullah (pbuh), he wants us to stay attached to him. Why? Allahu `alim. Perhaps because He loves Rasulullah (pbuh) that much.

If the words and action of Rasulullah (pbuh) were not important to us in understand the Qur'an and Islam in general...why would He send it through him? I mean why not drop the book from the sky and tell people to read and do without need of a human being?

(salam)

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On 8/12/2009 at 4:02 AM, bladeknight said:

The quran says that this is the only text we should follow. Why should the hadith exist. If you say that the quran is not self-explainatory, then why did Allah make the quran so difficult to interpret? Allah does not make any references to follow the hadith. The quran is the only thing that we should follow. Explain to me why Allah would make the Quran so difficult to interpret, that we need the hadith to understand it better.

Totally agree with you @bladeknight.

 

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20 minutes ago, Raheel Yunus said:

Totally agree with you @bladeknight.

 

There are many who agrees with what Umar said "Hasbona Kitab Allah" (Book of Allah is sufficient for us). And as as result of this error, he need to say several times "If it were not for Ali, Umar would have been destroyed" and "If Ali had not been there, Umar would have been ruined".  

People only want theory, when it comes to practical they start feeling the burden and start finding their ways to escape or over-ride the teachings. 
How strange that is that people don't want teacher(s), just want the book!!  

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On 8/11/2009 at 6:32 PM, bladeknight said:

The quran says that this is the only text we should follow. Why should the hadith exist. If you say that the quran is not self-explainatory, then why did Allah make the quran so difficult to interpret? Allah does not make any references to follow the hadith. The quran is the only thing that we should follow. Explain to me why Allah would make the Quran so difficult to interpret, that we need the hadith to understand it better.

رَبَّنَا وَابْعَثْ فِيهِمْ رَسُولًا مِنْهُمْ يَتْلُو عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتِكَ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَيُزَكِّيهِمْ ۚ إِنَّكَ أَنْتَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ {129}

[Shakir 2:129] Our Lord! and raise up in them a Messenger from among them who shall recite to them Thy communications and teach them the Book and the wisdom, and purify them; surely Thou art the Mighty, the Wise.
[Pickthal 2:129] Our Lord! And raise up in their midst a messenger from among them who shall recite unto them Thy revelations, and shall instruct them in the Scripture and in wisdom and shall make them grow. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Mighty, Wise.
[Yusufali 2:129] "Our Lord! send amongst them a Messenger of their own, who shall rehearse Thy Signs to them and instruct them in scripture and wisdom, and sanctify them: For Thou art the Exalted in Might, the Wise."

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23 minutes ago, Raheel Yunus said:

These are the Verses of
Allah, which We recite
to you in truth. Then in
what Hadeeth after
Allah and His Verses
will they believe?
Woe to every sinful
liar. 45:6-7

We Humans have Intellect. So, we do use it. You can scan for a word, but we understand what Tradition means. 

*****

تِلْكَ آيَاتُ اللَّهِ نَتْلُوهَا عَلَيْكَ بِالْحَقِّ ۖ فَبِأَيِّ حَدِيثٍ بَعْدَ اللَّهِ وَآيَاتِهِ يُؤْمِنُونَ {6}

[Shakir 45:6] These are the communications of Allah which We recite to you with truth; then in what announcement would they believe after Allah and His communications?
[Pickthal 45:6] These are the portents of Allah which We recite unto thee (Muhammad) with truth. Then in what fact, after Allah and His portents, will they believe?
[Yusufali 45:6] Such are the Signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in Truth; then in what exposition will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Signs?

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1 hour ago, Raheel Yunus said:

These are the Verses of
Allah, which We recite
to you in truth. Then in
what Hadeeth after
Allah and His Verses
will they believe?
Woe to every sinful
liar. 45:6-7

What is your understanding of these Concept(s). ?

*****

هُوَ الَّذِي أَنْزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْهُ آيَاتٌ مُحْكَمَاتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ ۖ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَابَهَ مِنْهُ ابْتِغَاءَ الْفِتْنَةِ وَابْتِغَاءَ تَأْوِيلِهِ ۗ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ إِلَّا اللَّهُ ۗ وَالرَّاسِخُونَ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ آمَنَّا بِهِ كُلٌّ مِنْ عِنْدِ رَبِّنَا ۗ وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّا أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ {7}

[Shakir 3:7] He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.


[Pickthal 3:7] He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.


[Yusufali 3:7] He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

 

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[7:185] Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things Allah has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which Hadith, beside this, do they believe in?

[31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of Allah without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.

[39:23] Allah has revealed herein the best Hadith; a book that is consistent, and points out both ways (to Heaven and Hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for Allah's message. Such is Allah's guidance; He bestows it upon whoever wills (to be guided). As for those sent astray by Allah nothing can guide them.

[45:6] These are Allah's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than Allah and His revelations do they believe?

[52:34] Let them produce a Hadith like this, if they are truthful.

[77:50] Which Hadith, other than this, do they uphold?

[3:78] Among them are those who twist their tongues to imitate the scripture, that you may think it is from the scripture, when it is not from the scripture, and they claim that it is from Allah, when it is not from Allah. Thus, they utter lies and attribute them to Allah, knowingly.

Everything that Rasool (SAW) said is to be followed as per Quran.
However the Hadith books were written 250+ years after the Prophet's death,
there must have been a lot of whispering and hearsay during all those years especially by his enemies to change what he actually said and attribute their own opinions to Prophet Muhammad.
In many majalis i attended it is said that people being paid to produce false hadeeth.
What I am saying is that God only promised to preserve the Quran.

Hadeeth and sunnah created a religion (which is not Islam) parallel to islam.

Edited by Raheel Yunus

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1 hour ago, Raheel Yunus said:

[7:185] Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things Allah has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which Hadith, beside this, do they believe in?

[31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of Allah without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.

[39:23] Allah has revealed herein the best Hadith; a book that is consistent, and points out both ways (to Heaven and Hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for Allah's message. Such is Allah's guidance; He bestows it upon whoever wills (to be guided). As for those sent astray by Allah nothing can guide them.

[45:6] These are Allah's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than Allah and His revelations do they believe?

[52:34] Let them produce a Hadith like this, if they are truthful.

[77:50] Which Hadith, other than this, do they uphold?

[3:78] Among them are those who twist their tongues to imitate the scripture, that you may think it is from the scripture, when it is not from the scripture, and they claim that it is from Allah, when it is not from Allah. Thus, they utter lies and attribute them to Allah, knowingly.

Everything that Rasool (SAW) said is to be followed as per Quran.
However the Hadith books were written 250+ years after the Prophet's death,
there must have been a lot of whispering and hearsay during all those years especially by his enemies to change what he actually said and attribute their own opinions to Prophet Muhammad.
In many majalis i attended it is said that people being paid to produce false hadeeth.
What I am saying is that God only promised to preserve the Quran.

Hadeeth and sunnah created a religion (which is not Islam) parallel to islam.

  1. Tilka Aayatul laahi natloohaa 'alika bilhaqq, fabiayyi hadeesim ba'dal laahi wa Aayaatihee yu'minoon (45: 6)
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These are the Verses of
Allah, which We recite
to you in truth. Then in
what Hadeeth after
Allah and His Verses
will they believe?
Woe to every sinful
liar. 45:6-7

Some did not tell you that they mixed up transliteration and translation to make a case. To imply that it refers to the Hadith( Sunnah/Tradition)  - which is a great marketing idea. like the verse you quoted above post 45: 6 . 

*****

With verse warfare you can make any case.

What is your understanding of basic fundamental Concepts in  3:7 ? 

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1 hour ago, Raheel Yunus said:

 

[52:34] Let them produce a Hadith like this, if they are truthful.

 

  1. Falyaatoo bihadeesim misliheee in kaanoo saadiqeen
فَلْيَأْتُوا بِحَدِيثٍ مِثْلِهِ إِنْ كَانُوا صَادِقِينَ {34}

[Shakir 52:34] Then let them bring an announcement like it if they are truthful.
[Pickthal 52:34] Then let them produce speech the like thereof, if they are truthful.
[Yusufali 52:34] Let them then produce a recital like unto it,- If (it be) they speak the truth!

 

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السَّلآمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ الله وبَرَكآتُه 

Respected brother @Raheel Yunus

Very nice question you have raised, This will help many when answered.

I have this ayah for you in terms of hadiths being contradictory to one other and being contradictory to Quran.

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QUR'AN CHAPTER 4:
AN-NISA (WOMEN)
Verse 59 

يٰۤـاَيُّهَا الَّذِيۡنَ اٰمَنُوۡۤا اَطِيۡـعُوا اللّٰهَ وَاَطِيۡـعُوا الرَّسُوۡلَ وَاُولِى الۡاَمۡرِ مِنۡكُمۡۚ فَاِنۡ تَنَازَعۡتُمۡ فِىۡ شَىۡءٍ فَرُدُّوۡهُ اِلَى اللّٰهِ وَالرَّسُوۡلِ اِنۡ كُنۡـتُمۡ تُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ بِاللّٰهِ وَالۡيَـوۡمِ الۡاٰخِرِ ؕ ذٰ لِكَ خَيۡرٌ وَّاَحۡسَنُ تَاۡوِيۡلًا

Translation:


O People who Believe! Obey Allah and the Noble Messenger and those amongst you who are in authority; so if there is a dispute amongst you concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and the Noble Messenger (for judgement) if you believe in Allah and the Last Day; this is better and has the best outcome.

So when a tradition of muslims contradicts Islam, we refer to hadith and if two hadiths contradict or a hadith is different to what is mentioned in Quran then we refer to Quran.

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هُوَ الَّذِي أَنْزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْهُ آيَاتٌ مُحْكَمَاتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ ۖ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَابَهَ مِنْهُ ابْتِغَاءَ الْفِتْنَةِ وَابْتِغَاءَ تَأْوِيلِهِ ۗ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ إِلَّا اللَّهُ ۗ وَالرَّاسِخُونَ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ آمَنَّا بِهِ كُلٌّ مِنْ عِنْدِ رَبِّنَا ۗ وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّا أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ {7}

[Shakir 3:7] He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.

1) Decisive Verse - Basis of the Book

2) Allegorical Verse

3) Whose hearts there is perversity they follow the Allegorical

4) Why- Seeking to mislead

5) how- by seeking to give it their own interpretation.

Let's stop here...

What is the Book itself telling you here? 

 

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2 hours ago, Raheel Yunus said:

Hadeeth and sunnah created a religion (which is not Islam) parallel to islam.

Ok, so can you invent any method of how do we offer salah, from the verses of Quran?

How should we perform nikah? What to recite in its seeghah?

How should we give talaq? What to recite and say when giving talaq?

How should we perform wudu? Should we wash right hand first or left hand first? How to arrange what is mentioned in the verse of wudu?

etc..... there can be millions of questions asked. Feel free to give the answer of just these 3 question from the verses of Quran. Without giving a single reference to hadith & sunnah.

 

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23 hours ago, S.M.H.A. said:

how? same concept, different word or sentence construction. 

The other topic was why not only Quran.

We follow many things beside Quran Hadeeth, Sunna, ...........,................  you can fill in the blanks.

While this topic is why need hadeeth. That is the difference.

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2 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

Ok, so can you invent any method of how do we offer salah, from the verses of Quran?

How should we perform nikah? What to recite in its seeghah?

How should we give talaq? What to recite and say when giving talaq?

How should we perform wudu? Should we wash right hand first or left hand first? How to arrange what is mentioned in the verse of wudu?

etc..... there can be millions of questions asked. Feel free to give the answer of just these 3 question from the verses of Quran. Without giving a single reference to hadith & sunnah.

 

I will try my best.

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16 hours ago, S.M.H.A. said:

هُوَ الَّذِي أَنْزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْهُ آيَاتٌ مُحْكَمَاتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ ۖ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَابَهَ مِنْهُ ابْتِغَاءَ الْفِتْنَةِ وَابْتِغَاءَ تَأْوِيلِهِ ۗ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ إِلَّا اللَّهُ ۗ وَالرَّاسِخُونَ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ آمَنَّا بِهِ كُلٌّ مِنْ عِنْدِ رَبِّنَا ۗ وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّا أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ {7}

[Shakir 3:7] He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.

1) Decisive Verse - Basis of the Book

2) Allegorical Verse

3) Whose hearts there is perversity they follow the Allegorical

4) Why- Seeking to mislead

5) how- by seeking to give it their own interpretation.

Let's stop here...

What is the Book itself telling you here? 

 

(2:2)This is the Book, there is no doubt in it, a Guidance for the Muttaqeen.

This is the very beginning of Quran.
It says the book is guidance for those who have no doubt in it.

And those who do not have any doubt in it (Muttaqeen) will follow the verses firmly which are the basis of Quran and understand perfectly the meaning of the allegorical verses.
One have to attain the status of Muttaqi it is difficult but not impossible.

and do not ever think that you will not be able to understand/interpret Quran. 


Do not stop here, try to purify yourself by following the verses which is basis of the Quran and you will be among those who are firmly rooted in knowledge  and you will say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord      And book itself will tell you everything.

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1 hour ago, Raheel Yunus said:

And book itself will tell you everything.

So, please ask from the book the answers of my questions I asked earlier.

If they are difficult for you, here are new questions:

How should we enter into the toilet? Which step should we take first while entering and what should we recite? Which step should we take while coming out from there and what should we recite? 
How should we perform the ghusl? What are the types of ghusl? Which are the wajib ghusl? 

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On 11/23/2018 at 10:06 PM, Salsabeel said:

, so can you invent any method of how do we offer salah, from the verses of Quran?

Later

 

On 11/23/2018 at 10:06 PM, Salsabeel said:

How should we perform nikah? What to recite in its seeghah?

Contract (nikah) marriage was the custom of pre islamic  Arabia, after the advent of Islam this custom continued with some changes like one cannot marry woman against her will (4:19), explained in detail woman forbidden (4:22-23) woman entitled for Mahr (5:5).

Quran basically outlines the limits what you can do and what you cannot.
It does not matter what you recite at the time of nikah since it is not specified in Quran. Both the parties can make a contract in the court and sign it in presence of witnesses without any recitation.

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On 11/23/2018 at 10:06 PM, Salsabeel said:

How should we perform wudu? Should we wash right hand first or left hand first? How to arrange what is mentioned in the verse of wudu?

Regarding Wudu in the verse sequence is given. which hand we wash first it is not important since it is not mentioned in Quran.

(5:6) O you who believe! When you stand up for prayer, wash your faces and your hands  till the elbows and wipe your heads and your feet till the ankles...........
This is wudu that is all.

 

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1 hour ago, Raheel Yunus said:

since it is not mentioned in Quran.

I've read enough. I'm not going to pull any punches here: you have absolutely no knowledge of what is hidden deep within the lines of the Holy Qur'an, and it really shows. Reading the vast majority of your posts hurts physically and people would stop you right there and then if it weren't for the fact that they're simply entertained by such insanities and get a good laugh out of it.

Save whatever little remains unscathed of your dignity, reflect upon what is readily understandable (muhkamat) and leave aside the ambiguous (mutashabihat) for the Infallible ones (as). Have you not read the words of Allah (azwj):

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قَالَتِ الْأَعْرَابُ آمَنَّا ۖ قُلْ لَمْ تُؤْمِنُوا وَلَٰكِنْ قُولُوا أَسْلَمْنَا وَلَمَّا يَدْخُلِ الْإِيمَانُ فِي قُلُوبِكُمْ ۖ وَإِنْ تُطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ لَا يَلِتْكُمْ مِنْ أَعْمَالِكُمْ شَيْئًا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ {14}

[Yusufali 49:14] The desert Arabs say, "We believe." Say, "Ye have no faith; but ye (only)say, 'We have submitted our wills to Allah,' For not yet has Faith entered your hearts. But if ye obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not belittle aught of your deeds: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

 

إِنَّمَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ ثُمَّ لَمْ يَرْتَابُوا وَجَاهَدُوا بِأَمْوَالِهِمْ وَأَنْفُسِهِمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ ۚ أُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الصَّادِقُونَ {15}

[Yusufali 49:15] Only those are Believers who have believed in Allah and His Messenger, and have never since doubted, but have striven with their belongings and their persons in the Cause of Allah: Such are the sincere ones.

 

قُلْ أَتُعَلِّمُونَ اللَّهَ بِدِينِكُمْ وَاللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۚ وَاللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ {16}

[Yusufali 49:16] Say: "What! Will ye instruct Allah about your religion? But Allah knows all that is in the heavens and on earth: He has full knowledge of all things.

 

يَمُنُّونَ عَلَيْكَ أَنْ أَسْلَمُوا ۖ قُلْ لَا تَمُنُّوا عَلَيَّ إِسْلَامَكُمْ ۖ بَلِ اللَّهُ يَمُنُّ عَلَيْكُمْ أَنْ هَدَاكُمْ لِلْإِيمَانِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ صَادِقِينَ {17}

[Yusufali 49:17] They impress on thee as a favour that they have embraced Islam. Say, "Count not your Islam as a favour upon me: Nay, Allah has conferred a favour upon you that He has guided you to the faith, if ye be true and sincere.

You can go teach your miserable joke of a methodology elsewhere, start a religion of your own with what you claim you know, go lead other people (astray) and see for yourself what you may reap as reward for such foolishness.

And that's for you specifically, from Wasa'il us-Shia:

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H 33500 – And in Ma’any Al Akhbaar from Muhammad Bin Al Hassan, from Al Saffar, from Ibrahim Bin Hisham, from Muhammad Bin Abu Umeyr, from Hamza Bin Hamraan who said:
Abu Abdullah (asws) said: ‘Surely, the one who answers every question that is posed to him, is insane’.
H 33485 – And  he (asws) said: ‘One who avoids saying ‘I do not know’ will face destructive difficulties’.
H 33486 – And  he (asws) said: ‘There is nothing better than abstainment during confusion’.
H 33487 – And he (asws) said: ‘Confusion has been named as such because of its similarity with the truth. As for the Guardians (asws) of Allah (azwj), the illumination for them (asws) is in their (asws) conviction, and their (asws) evidence is with Guidance, and as for the enemies of Allah (azwj), in their call is straying, and their evidence is in blindness’.

May Allah (azwj) protect us from such abasement and ignorance.

Edited by SamAlFarsi

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10 hours ago, Raheel Yunus said:

Regarding Wudu in the verse sequence is given. which hand we wash first it is not important since it is not mentioned in Quran.

 

And since how many rak'at we offer in prayers is not mentioned in Quran, therefore it is also not important. How many sajdah's in each rak'at  should be performed, is not important for you. @Raheel Yunus, Do you even believe in Prophet Muhammad (S)?

Now look at the following verses:

لَقَدْ كَانَ لَكُمْ فِي رَسُولِ اللَّهِ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ لِمَنْ كَانَ يَرْجُو اللَّهَ وَالْيَوْمَ الْآخِرَ وَذَكَرَ اللَّهَ كَثِيرًا {21}

[Shakir 33:21] Certainly you have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much.
[Pickthal 33:21] Verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much.
[Yusufali 33:21] Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.

وَمَا آتَاكُمُ الرَّسُولُ فَخُذُوهُ وَمَا نَهَاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانتَهُوا 
59:7 and whatever the Messenger gives you, accept it, and from whatever he forbids you, keep back

هُوَ الَّذِي بَعَثَ فِي الْأُمِّيِّينَ رَسُولًا مِنْهُمْ يَتْلُو عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتِهِ وَيُزَكِّيهِمْ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَإِنْ كَانُوا مِنْ قَبْلُ لَفِي ضَلَالٍ مُبِينٍ {2}

[Shakir 62:2] He it is Who raised among the inhabitants of Mecca an Messenger from among themselves, who recites to them His communications and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and the Wisdom, although they were before certainly in clear error,
[Pickthal 62:2] He it is Who hath sent among the unlettered ones a messenger of their own, to recite unto them His revelations and to make them grow, and to teach them the Scripture and wisdom, though heretofore they were indeed in error manifest,
[Yusufali 62:2] It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered a messenger from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error;-

How easily you have start inventing your own interpretations and procedures! Without even thinking about the consequences of your this action. I thought that you will give up and accept the truth that we do need a teacher, but surprisingly, you have proven something else to me. What a misery that is indeed! 
 

يَا أَيُّهَا الرَّسُولُ لَا يَحْزُنْكَ الَّذِينَ يُسَارِعُونَ فِي الْكُفْرِ مِنَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا آمَنَّا بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَلَمْ تُؤْمِنْ قُلُوبُهُمْ ۛ وَمِنَ الَّذِينَ هَادُوا ۛ سَمَّاعُونَ لِلْكَذِبِ سَمَّاعُونَ لِقَوْمٍ آخَرِينَ لَمْ يَأْتُوكَ ۖ يُحَرِّفُونَ الْكَلِمَ مِنْ بَعْدِ مَوَاضِعِهِ ۖ يَقُولُونَ إِنْ أُوتِيتُمْ هَٰذَا فَخُذُوهُ وَإِنْ لَمْ تُؤْتَوْهُ فَاحْذَرُوا ۚ وَمَنْ يُرِدِ اللَّهُ فِتْنَتَهُ فَلَنْ تَمْلِكَ لَهُ مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئًا ۚ أُولَٰئِكَ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يُرِدِ اللَّهُ أَنْ يُطَهِّرَ قُلُوبَهُمْ ۚ لَهُمْ فِي الدُّنْيَا خِزْيٌ ۖ وَلَهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ {41}

[Shakir 5:41] O Messenger! let not those grieve you who strive together in hastening to unbelief from among those who say with their mouths: We believe, and their hearts do not believe, and from among those who are Jews; they are listeners for the sake of a lie, listeners for another people who have not come to you; they alter the words from their places, saying: If you are given this, take it, and if you are not given this, be cautious; and as for him whose temptation Allah desires, you cannot control anything for him with Allah. Those are they for whom Allah does not desire that He should purify their hearts; they shall have disgrace in this world, and they shall have a grievous chastisement in the hereafter.
[Pickthal 5:41] O Messenger! Let not them grieve thee who vie one with another in the race to disbelief, of such as say with their mouths: "We believe," but their hearts believe not, and of the Jews: listeners for the sake of falsehood, listeners on behalf of other folk who come not unto thee, changing words from their context and saying: If this be given unto you, receive it, but if this be not given unto you, then beware! He whom Allah doometh unto sin, thou (by thine efforts) wilt avail him naught against Allah. Those are they for whom the Will of Allah is that He cleanse not their hearts. Theirs in the world will be ignominy, and in the Hereafter an awful doom;
[Yusufali 5:41] O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, "If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!" If any one's trial is intended by Allah, thou hast no authority in the least for him against Allah. For such - it is not Allah's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.

 

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How is this not different than when shaitan said he only needed Allah and that he did not need a mere man or need to bow down to Adam?

and rejecting khilafa before it’s revealed? God said there would be a Khalifa in the land, he never said who or when or what or why, but Satan rejected when he didn’t know and thought he knew and that he it was sufficient for himself to just believe in God. Clearly that wasn’t the truth and clearly that wasn’t enough. Clearly he wasn’t a real believer 

How is this not different than telling Allah what is better for his religion? Irony at its max 

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On 11/24/2018 at 3:16 PM, Salsabeel said:

So, please ask from the book the answers of my questions I asked earlier.

If they are difficult for you, here are new questions:

How should we enter into the toilet? Which step should we take first while entering and what should we recite? Which step should we take while coming out from there and what should we recite? 
How should we perform the ghusl? What are the types of ghusl? Which are the wajib ghusl? 

Regarding entering into toilet i think it depend upon one is left handed or right handed. Since i am left handed i always unintentionally put my left leg first into toilet. For me left or right leg it does not matter.

Ghusl is mentioned in Quran hence it is necessary.

(4:43) O you who believe! Do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying or (when you are) impure, except (when) passing through a way, until you have bathed (ghusl)..........

(5:6).........But if you are in a state of ceremonial impurity, purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you has come from the toilet or
you have had contact with women and you do not find water, then do
with clean earth by wiping your faces and your hands with it. Allah does not
intend to make any difficulty for you
but intends to purify you and complete
His Favor upon you, so that you may be grateful.

Allah does not want to complicate things for us you can use clean earth instead of water.


 

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1 hour ago, Ralvi said:

God said there would be a Khalifa in the land, he never said who or when or what or why, but Satan rejected when he didn’t know and thought he knew and that he it was sufficient for himself to just believe in God.

I wish if you were able to see the words of angels:

قَالُوا أَتَجْعَلُ فِيهَا مَنْ يُفْسِدُ فِيهَا وَيَسْفِكُ الدِّمَاءَ وَنَحْنُ نُسَبِّحُ بِحَمْدِكَ وَنُقَدِّسُ لَكَ
What! wilt Thou place in it such as shall make mischief in it and shed blood, and we celebrate Thy praise and extol Thy holiness? (2:30) 

I wish you were able to comprehend the crime of Iblis: 

وَإِذْ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلْمَلَائِكَةِ إِنِّي خَالِقٌ بَشَرًا مِنْ صَلْصَالٍ مِنْ حَمَإٍ مَسْنُونٍ
فَإِذَا سَوَّيْتُهُ وَنَفَخْتُ فِيهِ مِنْ رُوحِي فَقَعُوا لَهُ سَاجِدِينَ 
فَسَجَدَ الْمَلَائِكَةُ كُلُّهُمْ أَجْمَعُونَ 
إِلَّا إِبْلِيسَ أَبَىٰ أَنْ يَكُونَ مَعَ السَّاجِدِينَ

15:28-31

 

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