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According to Islam, men are indeed superior to women. There is unanimous consensus among our classical scholars that women are subservient to men due to our weakness in intelligence and judgment. Which is why throughout Islamic history women have not been allowed to be judges or rulers (and this is in conformance with the rulings of our own Shia scholars).

Why am I surprised to see those word written by you?? :unsure:

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I think using the word "equal" is too narrow and limiting to describe men and women in comaprison to each other - but - no Muslim is superior to another. All Muslims are judged only on the basis of t

this is not a discussion of female nature it is about divorce and family law

I had this debate with a 'so-called Muslim girl' (as she put it) about why she has doubts about Islam. I had no problem refuting her points, but the one issue that was a source of contention was the

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I don't see why women can't be priests or ministers or imams. This doesn't require strong muscular arms. Just good brains. In Morocco female clergy are called

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/3672924/Mourchidat-Moroccos-female-Muslim-clerics.html

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(salam),

To further elaborate my point, I would quote 2 authentic references, which I got via the book 'Greater Sins'.

Allah, the Almighty has given men superiority over women and appointed them as the protectors of women. This is due to the fact that men have been provided by Allah (S.w.T.) with many qualities in great measure as compared to women, like strength, bravery etc.

Salaam. I would completely agree with what you have written. Thank You !

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According to Islam, men are indeed superior to women. There is unanimous consensus among our classical scholars that women are subservient to men due to our weakness in intelligence and judgment.

I am surprised that we still have Muslims today, even Shias, who say such things. There is still too much mixing of culture and religion.

This "unanimous consensus" you say of our subservience, proven by our deficiency in intelligence and judgment, does not even exist. There is no such "unanimous consensus".

Read:

From a legal point of view a man does not own his wife through the marriage contract. This contract is a contract like any other made of articles with some binding to this party while others are binding to the other party.

A husband or a wife might think that he/she owns her/his spouse. This is not true.

http://english.bayynat.org.lb/WomenFamily/

How do we discover the woman's personality? Should we go to the religious texts? Or should we study the elements of this personality through the woman's interactions in life?

We believe that the second option is the objective and realistic one. It also constitutes a base for understanding the religious texts enabling us to interpret them in a way that does not contradict with the outside world, or to deduce that some traditions are not authentic since they contradict the principles of our doctrines as manifested by the Quran and the authentic traditions.

Question: It is said on the behalf of Imam Ali (p.) that woman is evil, and the most evil in her is that she is indispensable. Is this right?

Answer: I think that the face value meaning of this saying is impossible to be issued by Imam Ali (a.s.), why? Because we have an Islamic standard for all sayings, set by the members of the house (a.s.) to distinguish between the valid & the invalid sayings. This standard suggests that in order to know whether a certain saying is authentic or not, we have to compare it with what is stated in Koran, the book of Allah; if the saying conforms , with the meanings of the Koran, we accept it, but it disaccords with it, then we reject it.

When the Holy Koran talks about women & men, it gives them equal responsibilities, so if the women are evil in their nature, then why she should be given such responsibility. According to the divine justice in Islam, women are like men; she is neither totally good nor completely evil.

Consequently, there is no harmony between the face value meaning of Ali’s (a.s.) saying & the Islamic concept of the divine justice.

http://english.bayynat.org.lb/WomenFamily/q&a.htm

These are just examples of one marja' taqleed. The maraje' who don't agree with Fadlallah on specific legal rulings agree to the basic idea that women in Islam are equal to man and are in no way subservient. Equal does not mean the same - neither is subservient to the other, but each has individual rights and responsibilities. When ahadeeth and the Quran are in conflict, one must always go with the Quran.

ÝÇÓÊÌÇÈ áåã ÑÈåã Ãäí áÇ ÃÖíÚ Úãá ÚÇãá ãäßã ãä ÐßÑ Ãæ ÃäËì ÈÚÖßã ãä ÈÚÖ

"And their Lord responded to them, "Never will I allow to be lost the work of [any] worker among you, whether male or female; you are of one another..." "

And this is only one ayah.

It is extremely sad to see Shia Muslims who say such things, when we have Sayyida Fatima (as), Sayyida Zeinab (as), Sayyida Mariam (as), and many more as role models for both men and women.

Truly sad.

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This "unanimous consensus" you say of our subservience, proven by our deficiency in intelligence and judgment, does not even exist. There is no such "unanimous consensus".

The consensus is certainly there, and only the very ignorant people are unaware of it. The claim that women are deficient in intelligence and faith has been accepted by ALL early Shi'a ulema. For example:

Sayyid ibn Ta'wus
in his
, page 181:

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Sharif Murtada
in
, page 124

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Sharif Radiyy
in

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äæÇÞÕ ÇáÇíãÇä äæÇÞÕ ÇáÍÙæÙ äæÇÞÕ ÇáÚÞæá

Shaykh Tabarsi
in his
, page 202

íÇ ãÚÔÑ ÇáäÓÇÁ ãÇ ÑÃíÊ
äæÇÞÕ ÚÞæá æÏíä ÃÐåÈ ÈÚÞæá Ðæí ÇáÇáÈÇÈ ãäßä

Shaykh Hurr al-`Amiliy
quotes in multiple places in

Åä
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¡ æäæÇÞÕ ÇáÍÙæÙ

As does
Allamah Majlisi
in
:

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Åä ÇáäÓÇÁ äæÇÞÕ ÇáÇíãÇä äæÇÞÕ ÇáÍÙæÙ äæÇÞÕ ÇáÚÞæá

As for women being subservient to men, again it is only ignorance because of which you think Islam doesn't require them to be so. It is unquestionable that in Islam the wife has to obey her husband in all matters that don't oppose Islamic law, while for the husband it is recommended to NOT listen to his wife. See for example the chapter on Not Obeying Women from al-Kafi of Shaykh Kulayni.

As just a single example from the section above hadith number two, which is graded as Sahih by Allamah Majlisi, states:

(10228) - 2 - ÚÏÉ ãä ÃÕÍÇÈäÇ¡ Úä ÃÍãÏ Èä ãÍãÏ¡ Úä ÇÈä ãÍÈæÈ¡ Úä ÚÈÏÇááå Èä ÓäÇä¡ Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏÇááå (Ú) ÞÇá: ÐßÑ ÑÓæá Çááå (Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå) ÇáäÓÇÁ ÝÞÇá: ÇÚÕæåä Ýí ÇáãÚÑæÝ ÞÈá Ãä íÃãÑäßã ÈÇáãäßÑ æÊÚæÐæÇ ÈÇááå ãä ÔÑÇÑåä æßæäæÇ ãä ÎíÇÑåä Úáì ÍÐÑ.

2 – A number of our companions from Ahmad b. Muhammad from Ibn Mahbub from `Abdullah b. Sinan from Abu `Abdillah Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã. He said: The Messenger of
Allah
Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå mentioned women, so he said:
Disobey them in the good before they command you to the evil
, and take refuge with
Allah
from their evil ones and be cautious of their good ones.

The narrations from our Imams about the requirement of the wife's obedience to the husband are innumerable. See these, for example, from Shaykh Saduq's Man La Yahdarahu al-Faqih.

Also see the description as provided by Imam Ali b. Husayn (Zaynul Abideen) [a] in Risalat al-Huquq:

20- THE RIGHT OF THE WIFE

And the right of your subject through matrimonial contract (your wife) is that you should know that God has made her repose, a comfort and a companion, and a maintainer for you. It is incumbent upon each of you to thank God for the other and realize that the other one is God's blessing for you. It is obligatory to be a good companion for God's Blessing, and to honor her and treat her gently.
Yet,
your right over her is more incumbent
and
she must obey you in every matter that you like or detest- except in acts of disobedience to God
. She should enjoy the rights of mercy and intimacy, as she is an object of tranquility. You should care for her through consummation of the lust that must be consummated. And that is surely great. And there is no power but in God.

If you really think that women and men are equal, then why don't you provide me with ONE narration from any of our Imams which states that men must also obey their wives. Just one.

But you won't be able to, since neither the Qur'an nor the ahadith ever state that men and women are "equal" in obedience. People have to twist the Qur'anic verses to fit their own ideologies to come up with such false claims. I have shown you the opinions of our classical scholars and the ahadith of the ma'soomeen on this issue. You, on the other hand, bring up irrelevant quotes by a recent, controversial scholar and even more irrelevant verses about the efforts of men and women not made to go to waste, which has nothing to do with the topic being discussed.

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(salam)

Holy Qur'an, Sura 4 (The Women), Aya 1

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ اتَّقُوا رَبَّكُمُ الَّذِي خَلَقَكُمْ مِنْ نَفْسٍ وَاحِدَةٍ وَخَلَقَ مِنْهَا زَوْجَهَا وَبَثَّ مِنْهُمَا رِجَالًا كَثِيرًا وَنِسَاءً ۚ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ الَّذِي تَسَاءَلُونَ بِهِ وَالْأَرْحَامَ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلَيْكُمْ رَقِيبًا {1}

[shakir 4:1] O people! be careful of (your duty to) your Lord, Who created you from a single being and created its mate of the same (kind) and spread from these two, many men and women; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, by Whom you demand one of another (your rights), and (to) the ties of relationship; surely Allah ever watches over you.

The Holy Prophet Muhammad SA always respected women and the Holy Ahle Bayt AS also respected women. If any of the Ahle Bayt AS warned you against women, please remember that they also warned you against men, but people seem to forget that! Imam Ali AS had a wife and daughters (peace be upon them) who were ideal, mashAllah.

Therefore, we know that some women can be just as good and knowledgeable as men, and they can study at hawza and become a female mujtahid. Iran has women judges who are involved with marriage and divorce cases. I would like to remind you of one woman as an example, Madam Zohreh Sefati, who is a is a female Ayatollah (Mujtahideh). Khanom Zohreh Sefati is the subject of a webpage at wikipedia, although I do not know how accurate it is or if any non-Muslims have changed the original article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zohreh_Sefati

This message is long, and I apologize for copying the entire Shia Scholars article about her below, because we never know when a website might crash. InshaAllah that website of Shia Scholars remains open for the benefit of all. The mention in the article about Source of Imitation is referring to Marje. Some believe that it is permissible for a woman to become a Marje but only women may follow her. eltemaase du'aa. ws

MadamZohrehSefati.jpg?width=150&height=150

Exemplary Shia Women: Madam Zohreh Sefati

( By : Zahara Abdi )

Wednesday, November 4, 2009 at 12:09am

This piece discusses the life and accomplishments of a female Ayatollah, the esteemed Madam Zohreh Sefati. She is considered to be one of the most powerful personalities in Iran. Sefati is a member of the Socio-Cultural Council and a representative to the Supreme Council of Cultural Reforms.

Source: http://shiascholars.ning.com/photo/madam-zohreh-sefati

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I've deleted a large part of the copy/paste, which you are welcome to keep on your hard-drive if you feel the site may crash.
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Well done Hamedeh!

Masha Allah i have read your post and its a very beautiful one.. May Allah bless you for this..

In general thinking of superiority will not come if we are as good humans to each other ...

rather than thinking abt Men, women, boy, girl... we must be GOOD humans first....

A duty of every HUMAN BIENG..

MAy Allah enrich us with the love of Mohammad wa Aale Mohammad (as)

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Taken from al-Amali of Shaykh Saduq , pg 274. Also present in his Ilal-ush-Sharaye

Translation: Narrated to us Ali bin Ahmad bin Abdullah bin Ahmad bin Abi Abdillah al-Barqi: Narrated my father, from his grandfather Ahmad bin Abi Abdillah, from his father, from Muhammad bin Abi Omair, from more than one person from the Truthful Ja'far bin Muhammad from his father, from his forefathers, peace be on them, said:

One of the companions of Amirul-mu'mineen [as] complained to him about his women.

He [imam Ali as] thus stood to address the public saying:

O people, obey not the women in any case, nor trust them with money, nor let them be in charge of the children, for if they are left to do what pleases them, they will lead (you) to troubles and transgress the rights of the lords. We found them to be unhesitating when they are in need, impatient when their (sexual) lust is at peak, wasteful spending is part of them even if they are old, and self-admiration follows them even at their senior age. They don't appreciate the plenty (that they possess) when they are prevented (from acquiring) the little. They forget the good and recall the bad. They rush to falsehood, insist on arrogance and follow Satan. So deal with them in any case, address them well that their deeds be well (as a result).

[EDITED].... then i don't believe imam ali (as) said such a thing ....... if its about a particular type of woman fine ..... but then cant the same thing ^ be implemented for MEN??

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Sorry, your 'french' can not be excused. Please keep your posts clean, and to the point.
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There are numerous statistics that girls outperform boys at school. In Kuwait for example girls outperform boys in every subject of the 12th grade examinations, particularly in philosophy, English, Arabic languages, chemistry, physics, mathematics and biology. The situation is very similar in other Muslim countries. And in Western countries as well.

I'm not surprised that some men seem to claim that men are superior to women. In these cases we are in fact talking about grown-up boys who were substantially outperformed by smarter girls. So this isn't very credible. Likewise is biased interpretation of the Quran and certain hadeeths not credible. Worldwide statistics are. Just use Google and search girls outperform boys and you will get hundred of thousands of hits.

We are witnessing a transformation from the industrial to a knowledge-based economy. Countries not making use of their female potential will be outperformed by countries that do. Queen Rania has realized this.

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But you won't be able to, since neither the Qur'an nor the ahadith ever state that men and women are "equal" in obedience. People have to twist the Qur'anic verses to fit their own ideologies to come up with such false claims. I have shown you the opinions of our classical scholars and the ahadith of the ma'soomeen on this issue. You, on the other hand, bring up irrelevant quotes by a recent, controversial scholar and even more irrelevant verses about the efforts of men and women not made to go to waste, which has nothing to do with the topic being discussed.

You are a strange, strange woman (I think? I'm quite surprised a woman would say such BS).

I think you need to open your eyes to the reality of this world, dear sister.

If you insist that Fatima (as) "kanat naqisat al2imaan wal7ath wal3aql", that we should be "3ala 7athar" from her as she is from "the good ones", that we should "disobey her in the good before she commands us to the evil"... God help you. And if you say this is only because she was an infallible, God help you if you say so about Zeinab (as), or any of the wives and daughters with Imam Hussein (as) and his companions, or any other such woman who was faithful, a true mu'mina, and one who sacrificed her husband and children for the sake of Islam but did not happen to be infallible. God help you bas.

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(bismillah)

(salam),

@ Shia9c

Yes they aren't allowed to drive here in KSA. Though they do go around in taxis. Good too, because women here wear veils (naqaab), they wouldn't be able to see anything, especially at night. Their fathers/husbands, forbid them to go around outside without veils.

@ Shaheen

Women are NOT equal to men (in religious matter) and I'm not an extremist Taliban. :)

Women have three deficiencies, in religous matters, not according to ME but according to Imam Ali (as) :

' O' ye peoples! Women are deficient in Faith, deficient in shares and deficient in intelligence. As regards the deficiency in their Faith, it is their abstention from prayers and fasting during their menstrual period. As regards deficiency in their intelligence it is because the evidence of two women is equal to that of one man. As for the deficiency of their shares that is because of their share in inheritance being half of men. So beware of the evils of women. Be on your guard even from those of them who are (reportedly) good. Do not obey them even in good things so that they may not attract you to evils. ' Nahjul Balagha, SERMON - 80

http://www.al-islam.org/nahj/ (refer to SERMON - 80)

I hope your question is answered, IF you believe in the truth of Peak of Eloquence. :)

(wasalam)

Basim Ali Jafri

This Hadeeth does not make sense to me..it has either been misquoted or mistranslated. But I will surely look into it. Imam Ali could not possibly say something like "women are evil" because that would mean his wife, the Prophet's wives (including Khadija!) bibi Hawa, Maryam, etc fall into that category.

And on a personal level, I know many men that are more deficient in knowledge than me. But thank you for posting, I will check it out.

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Most of these fools who try to say Men oppress Women in Islam, are referring to either the

1. Hijab laws- which is created for men to respect women, and look at them as humans, not objects.

2. Polygamy- which was created for reasons to support women, if their man dies in war or prison, and they have a few kids and can't support themselves.

That makes so much more sense, I have been so deluded by everyone else, and the enemies of Islam, that I was starting to believe it. I'm actually really confused, but I always look to Ali ibn abi talib (a.s), my master for help. One more question, whats the deal with wife beating in Islam, is it allowed? I read it in the Quran myself, is it the translation, or the people who are misleading, or both. I don't know.

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LOL WOW

Your saying all women, each and every female is a follower of satan, ignorant, always look at the bad side, untrustworthy, and arrogant? Think of all the women u know... are they like that? Is ur mom like that?

lol i think u should find out more about this hadith, is it even accepted or do we reject it?

Because every islamic shia lecture ive heard on this topic says women and men are both equal in the eyes of Allah.

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(bismillah)

(salam)

It my seem to us Humans, due to our limited intelligence and confined thought processes, that one gender is or could be superior (in the eyes of Allah) to the other gender. I dont believe that we should refute any Ahadith or verses of Quran just because they dont sit well with our personal liking or "understanding" of how things should be. Instead, we should submit to the fact that Allah is a just God and thus he would only want whats best for us, even if it may not seem that way to us. Otherwise, why to even believe in Allah in the first place. I think whichever gender thinks that they are disadvantaged, should actually take that as a blessing in disguise because doesnt that mean they will have to be accountable for fewer things. I thought the untimate goal was to get to heaven, and not to make sure we get every possible "right" and "privilege" in this temporary life.

Allahuma Salli Ala Muhammadin Wahle Muhammad

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ÈÓã Çááå ÇáÑÍíãä ÇáÑÍíã

ÇáÓáÇã Úáíßã

The enemies of Islam does everything to make Islam seem like the bad religion, what is there to fear? They do not believe in Allah and therefore they don't believe in the hereafter.

Has they not seen the pre-islamic time? Murders, adultery, slave, thief and alcohol was very common and the respect for a women was not, it was as she was an object [like it is for the western world]. Have we then not improved from the thought of objecting women to respecting here by protecting here from the children of Adam?

The Prophet (SAWA) [or Imam 'Ali (as)] said that the children of Adam (as) is all sinners.

Why would people leave the pleasure of the world for Islam, if it isn't the truth? Those people at the time of the Prophet (SAWA) open their mind and started thinking, and found Islam is the right way and left the pleasure of this world.

The people differ and is like such until today:

"Nor did those who were given the Scripture become divided until after there had come to them clear evidence." [98:4 Surat al-Bayyinah]

As for those who thinks that man are more superior to women, they are big children. Have you not seen what the boy says to the girl?

Are they not aware of whom carriers them when they are a matter of sperm? Are they then not weak [whom relied on their mothers]?

Allah (swt) has created every creature with strength and weakness. Human is of two; a man and a women.

Regarding the hadith about the most women is in the hellfire, Allah (swt) is just and whoever says so had contradicted the action of our Lord and for that person is hellfire.

And of course, there is weak hadith and many fabricators (May Allah curse them).

Who is the oppressed, the women who is protected from the evil or the women who is considered as matter of object to man?

Our Lord,

"Guide us to the straight path" [1:6 Surat al-Fatiha]

"Our Lord, let not our hearts deviate after You have guided us and grant us from Yourself mercy. Indeed, You are the Bestower." [3:8 'Ali 'Imran]

æÚáíßã ÇáÓáÇã

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(bismillah)

(salam)

I also think that we are just wasting time when pondering over who is "superior" over whom? Just for argument sake, say gender A is superior to gender B. Does that mean Allah loves gender A more and gender B less? It does not mean that. I cant say for others but I know that if there was an under-privileged gender then thats the gender I would want to be (hypothetically speaking) because Islam tells us that we should always be with the weak and that poor and under-privileged will enter heaven first. I would forget wanting to be superior to anyone (goes for both sexes) and just concentrate on the fast-track way to heaven. I thought one of the most significant teachings of Islam is humility.

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Salaamooalaykom,

First and foremost, I am a revert female Muslim. Al hamdulilah. I am well educated, am a mother, a wife, a sister, a daughter, a grandaughter, a niece, a daughter in law etc etc. Before converting I spent 1 year intensely researching Islam. And believe me, I would NEVER ever have willing entered into a religion that in its essence oppresses women or places women lower or inferior or less equal to men. And my research has continued for 7 years.

I think people, myself included, often get lost in vocabulary and labels. And the brother/sister who opened the discussion is very wise to use the word equivilent. Some of the responses in this forum have deeply saddened and disappointed me, especially seeing as some of them come from seemingly intelligent and pious brothers and sisters. I have often defended Islam, in terms of women's rights/status, against athiests, Christians, Hindus etc. But never thought I would have to defend here on Shia chat.

Please brothers and sisters think before you go around saying that, "men are superior to women, women's oppression is their own fault, women are weak, women are evil be careful of them etc". And please if you are going to quote a hadith/ the Holy Koran, which could potenially reach thousands of people, make sure you understand it contextually. This wesite could attract people to Islam, but after reading this forum, if I were thinking about converting to Islam, I certainly wouldn't. And this issue is an issue that is the deciding factor for many who are contemplating Islam as a religion.

The Holy Koran allows us to use our brains and logic on ambigious topics. Reflection, research and seeking knowledge is actually a recommended act. Let's therefore look logically at the point in question. Allah (swa) is the MOST FAIR. This is why we find in Najol Balaga the hadith, “Your supremacy over others is in proportion to the extent of your knowledge and wisdom”. This is a widely accepted and authentic hadith. Interestingly, not all of the Najol Balaga is authentic. Not all shia references are 100% authentic. I am talking as a shia here. Ahadith is a science which is taken very seriously, so understand that quotation of hadith is a serious issue also.

So, what makes an individual superior/better/weaker/inferior (whatever term is deemed most appropriate) is his knowledge and wisdom. Not their, race, tribe, wealth, health and certainly NOT their gender. And it does not take a genius to work this out.

Come on brothers and sisters, reflect on this issue. Is your mother, or sister or daughter or wife deficient/weaker/inferior based SOLEY on the fact that they are female?????? NO. What separates us, as individual Muslims/believers is our faith. Allah will not ask us on the day of judgement what gender we were. We will be asked about our deeds. And out deeds are not influenced by our gender.

I will finish up by quoting some of my husband's words, quite funny, but so true:

“I believe that men and women are not equal in responsibilities: Islamically, I have to work, provide financially, emotionally, spiritually for my wife and family. I have to cook, clean, protect, educate and even have to buy my wife a golden ring if I can and if she desires it. She can demand money for breast feeding my daughter, she has a right to an allowance if I can provide her one, and she does not have to tell me on what she spends it. I am obliged to do all of these things! (obviously we share these tasks lol, but in terms of Fiq, it's all on me). Oh AND she works and can keep all her money to herself. And what does she have to do for me? There is only one obligation upon her and it is enjoyed. To me it seems that Allah (swa) holds a special place for women. I love my sisters, wife, daughter dearly. and my mother is my world. I have the utmost respect for women as our Prophet Mohammad has commanded us to have:

The Holy Prophet said: Only great people respect women and only vile people disrespect women.

Nahj-ul Fasahah, Page 318

If you could witness a woman survive childbirth you would not call her weak. This is the physically most demanding and painful experience known to mankind. Talk of inferiority/weakness of women is nothing more than an insult to our precious jewels.”

Come on people, men are NOT superior/better to women. Use your logic and stop hurting people and deterring people from Islam. Is any brother who has quoted in this forum brave enough to say they are superior to Sayda Fatima a Zahra (asws) is anyway shape or form? No! Are you brave enough to say you are superior to your own Mother, I don't think so.

Apologies in advance for any offence caused. I only want to portray Islam as the beautiful religion it is. Finally, Islam is perfect, Muslims are not.

Salaam.

(bismillah)

(salam)

Wow, you really spoke beautifully sister. I liked what you said in the end, Islam is perfect, Muslims are not.

(salam)

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I think women r superior biologically but r unstable emotionally, thus Men biologically weaker(despite the outlook) but more stable emotionally so have better analytical skills. Women have 100 times more endurance power.... This is a neverending comparison...

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As many have already said, it's not a matter of equality. Men and women are not equal, but they are equivalent.

I don't understand how a Shia, someone who places great value in sayda Fatima (as) can claim that women are inferior to men. I don't understand how any Muslim can do that actually.

Indeed, a man HAS to work and provide for the women while the women CAN work and DOES NOT have to use her money for the family, that is the husband's job. The examples are multiple and women have many duties and many rights, so do men.

I once heard something along the lines of the following: God (swt) entrusted males with running the society and running the family. Man is responsible for matter, what is non-living and animals. Women, on the other hand, are entrusted, by God ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì, with man.

When Imam Hussein (as) was martyred, asyda zaynab (as) took a stand and made a speech for the ages in the court of damned Yazid. She was a woman, was she not ?

Yet she, along with sayda Fatimah (as) and others are great idols for us all, both men and woman, to emulate.

God created us equivalent, our deeds decided on what we are.

The hadith, when authentic have certain explanations that scholars have elaborated. They do not imply that men are "superior" to women, whatever that may mean.

The laws present in some "Muslim" countries that place restrictions on women's rights are the result of culture, not religion. And this should be fought by us all, blind obedience is not of Islam and acceptance of what our ancestors do without subjecting it to the rule of the Holy Quran and of our minds, is not of Islam.

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And regarding the veil, it is the epitome of respect.

It assures that woman are viewed on a human level, not a sexual one and it makes sure that we deal with each other as human beings, not as sexual objects.

Wassalam

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It depends on how much people know about islam i mean if they lack knowledge about islam than of course they will think that men are supirior to women.....which is not true beacuse muslim women have more right than women in other religons

Its all about understanding. God has created men and women and they have equal rights. No one is superior , All are equal in the eyes of God, although taqwa.

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WS.

i love u 4 posting this. some people can b so ignorant they need to see this.

Sorry to say but if you cant show them the right side ,,, Don't at least call them ignorant. This goes against humanity. Just think of yourself if your are born with these people you will be thinking same like that.. i hope you understand.

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