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Iran police 'went to extremes' in post-vote unrest

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The Iranian government is more self-critical and committed addressing and fixing its shortcomings than some of the fanboys here on SC...

Iran police 'went to extremes' in post-vote unrest

Iran's police chief Ismail Ahmadi-Moqaddam says some law enforcement officers 'went to extremes' during the country's post-election protests.

"Some of our officers went to extremes during these events and caused damage while pursuing protestors," Brig. Gen. Ahmadi-Moqaddam said on Wednesday.

Massive opposition protests followed the June 12 presidential election, in which incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad won a second term in office with almost two-thirds of votes.

Iranian officials did not authorize any rallies despite repeated calls by defeated candidates Mir-Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karroubi, who had called for the nullification of the vote. Police forces used batons and tear gas to disperse protestors during the rallies.

Farhad Tajari, an Iranian parliamentarian, said on Tuesday that at least 30 people had been killed during the protests. Earlier reports had put the number of the dead at 20. Thousands were also detained in the aftermath of the vote, many of whom have since been released.

"Nothing should cause police officers to break the law in any way," Ahmadi-Moqaddam said, adding the violation of the law by officers had brought 'psychological damage' to the public.

He further said that the police would 'deal firmly' with the officers who had broken the rules.

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Excellent post malangbaba. This shows that there are still a lot of honest people within the system of the Islamic Republic who for the sake of the Islamic Republic itself are ready to admit that certain excesses were commited.

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The Iranian government is more self-critical and committed addressing and fixing its shortcomings than some of the fanboys here on SC...

(salam)

There are many many good people in Iran. Actually they are more good people than bad apples. Comparing to other Arab regimes in the middle east, Iran do have freedom....a whole lot of freedom.

When there is any form of freedom, you eventually get to see the dirt that has been swept under the carpet.

I wish that we have more Iranians on this forum..Especially Iranians who are actually in Iran. We need more perspective from them. I get frustrated when we need to relay on western media to get news about Iran. Google farsi translation service is complete hopeless and a big headache. :wacko:

I think it is generally nice that people are passionate about Iran. The only thing I don't like is when people start being silly, hot headed and wrong headed. Then everything turn ugly. :wacko: That is not nice. :squeez:

Edited by Zareen

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I wish that we have more Iranians on this forum..Especially Iranians who are actually in Iran.

I technically live in Iran (even though i am currently in the US for studies)... does that count?

There's another brother on here... Arash (PersianGulfever) he lives in Iran. And Zahra lives in Iran too (but she is not political)...

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Excellent post malangbaba. This shows that there are still a lot of honest people within the system of the Islamic Republic who for the sake of the Islamic Republic itself are ready to admit that certain excesses were commited.

I agree fully.

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I just hope that this person "Iran's police chief Ismail Ahmadi-Moqaddam" is himself not a supporter of Reformists and thus saying that.

The many burnt Buildings by Protesters is saying all together a different story.

The "Illegal" gathering of these Protesters is saying all together a different story.

Actually Mussavi is responsible for all these Clashes. It is not a time to step back due to this Western backed & supported Media, but Mussavi should be trailed along with Karobi. They have to explain why they didn't choose the way of Table and brought their Proofs of Rigging instead for making calls for Illegal Rallies.

It is very sad that IR is suffering and under pressure from these Western supported Media and ćriminals like Mussavi and Karoobi are not brought to the justice.

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To make it clear. Even the Pro Ahmadinejadis and so called hardliners are very dissapointed in the police for the way they handled the situation.

Did they say anything while people like Ruholamin's son were having their skulls busted? Hah, too little too late? Damage has been done... but better late than never. Don't you think all this warrants an internal investigation into the nature of the power and activities of the security forces?

Edited by Cyan_Garamond

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Mousavi has two form of supporter

1) Minority of true believing muslim intellectuals and non-intellectuals who follow the legal process, file complaints, etc. even when losing.

2) Majority of mixtures: Atheist, liberal, neocapitalists, bourgeoisie, political refugeess, 2pac-marilyn manson counterculture, cultural muslims, satellite dish owners etc.

Mousavi has chosen to surround himself with this majority and has employed them to speak for him (like Makhmalbaf). This majority goes to the street to protest because they do not believe in the system from the very root: election or no election. Even the first group, those Muslims who truly believe in Islam, WF etc. have endorsed the saying "Taghalobi", meaning an accusation to the Iranian government, that thousands of Muslims consciously rigged and falsified the election.

This is a very serious accusation in the eyes of Shari'a. Two options follow.

(1) Provide clear, empirical, verifiable proof that such a thing happened --until now only irregularities are reported, not rigging. Chatham house does not even dare to straightforwardly say there is clear evidence for rigging. This accusation is very serious, even in the eyes of Kafirs as we see.

(2) The person has falsely accused thousands Muslims and is guilty of stirring Fitna. Fitna is when a Muslim begins to provoke one group of Muslims against the other and this is the most diabolical, elusive and terrible thing in Islam and amounts to Koufr. It is why Ali remained silent with regards to the Caliphate issue. Similarly, Mauwiyah's uprising was completely put down as it was labelled Fitna.

So when I hear someone whom I have an understanding that he prays, says he testifies that Mohammad is his messenger accusing thousands of Muslims of rigging an election without clear evidence in the eyes of Shari'a, it is very sad and only reinforces how we must have a deeper understanding and promotion of "Jaheliyat" defined by Sayed Qottob.

I do believe that there are some major problems within the Iranian system and there are little or no ethical standards for any of the bureaucratic organs, prisons etc but that this will improve with the healthy debate that goes on (by people who do not seek to undermine the governments). We must go back to unity but also to towhid.

Edited by Rubaiyat

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The Iranian government is more self-critical and committed addressing and fixing its shortcomings than some of the fanboys here on SC...

Iran police 'went to extremes' in post-vote unrest

Iran's police chief Ismail Ahmadi-Moqaddam says some law enforcement officers 'went to extremes' during the country's post-election protests.

"Some of our officers went to extremes during these events and caused damage while pursuing protestors," Brig. Gen. Ahmadi-Moqaddam said on Wednesday.

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"Nothing should cause police officers to break the law in any way," Ahmadi-Moqaddam said, adding the violation of the law by officers had brought 'psychological damage' to the public.

He further said that the police would 'deal firmly' with the officers who had broken the rules.

Either this person knows how to play the political snake game, or he is truly, truly a good man.

I'm pretty sure it's the latter. Tip of the hat to you, General.

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Mousavi has two form of supporter

1) Minority of true believing muslim intellectuals and non-intellectuals who follow the legal process, file complaints, etc. even when losing.

2) Majority of mixtures: Atheist, liberal, neocapitalists, bourgeoisie, political refugeess, 2pac-marilyn manson counterculture, cultural muslims, satellite dish owners etc.

Mousavi has chosen to surround himself with this majority and has employed them to speak for him (like Makhmalbaf). This majority goes to the street to protest because they do not believe in the system from the very root: election or no election. Even the first group, those Muslims who truly believe in Islam, WF etc. have endorsed the saying "Taghalobi", meaning an accusation to the Iranian government, that thousands of Muslims consciously rigged and falsified the election.

This is a very serious accusation in the eyes of Shari'a. Two options follow.

(1) Provide clear, empirical, verifiable proof that such a thing happened --until now only irregularities are reported, not rigging. Chatham house does not even dare to straightforwardly say there is clear evidence for rigging. This accusation is very serious, even in the eyes of Kafirs as we see.

(2) The person has falsely accused thousands Muslims and is guilty of stirring Fitna. Fitna is when a Muslim begins to provoke one group of Muslims against the other and this is the most diabolical, elusive and terrible thing in Islam and amounts to Koufr. It is why Ali remained silent with regards to the Caliphate issue. Similarly, Mauwiyah's uprising was completely put down as it was labelled Fitna.

So when I hear someone whom I have an understanding that he prays, says he testifies that Mohammad is his messenger accusing thousands of Muslims of rigging an election without clear evidence in the eyes of Shari'a, it is very sad and only reinforces how we must have a deeper understanding and promotion of "Jaheliyat" defined by Sayed Qottob.

I do believe that there are some major problems within the Iranian system and there are little or no ethical standards for any of the bureaucratic organs, prisons etc but that this will improve with the healthy debate that goes on (by people who do not seek to undermine the governments). We must go back to unity but also to towhid.

Excelent post

Jazakallah

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Part of the governing problem with the Iranian system is that 1979 only laid the foundation for the emergence of what will, inshallah, be the Imaamate that isn't simply identified with Iran. Many elements were allowed to remain within the governing structures that, ideally, should have been removed. Developmentally-speaking, this was probably not possible at the time, yet now we are facing the need to address not just the 'dead weight' - but to also look at how certain elements of the governing structure contribute to the poor functioning of an Islamic government altogether. The 'Islamic base', in terms of 'idea', is not only solid, but motivates the drive to further develop the whole of the governing structures around it - in a way that allows the government to be not just more flexible, but less compartmentalized. For the time being, the structures of the Iranian government need to be reviewed, more accountability established, and a general consolidation of the structures themselves to help limit the type of 'rogue' behavior we see coming from different factions within it. The problem, of course, is that there are forces working to further compartmentalize, fragment, and destroy not just the government - but these are really tools being waged against the Islamic foundation of Iran, itself. Careful and prudent steps will need to be taken if the current crisis is to be turned into something positive - rather than the crisis causing the complete disintegration of Iran as a whole.

Edited by Bro_Straight_Path

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