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Assalam alaykum everyone,

Inshallah everyone is well.. I havent posted a topic in ages, inshallah this doesnt offend. I thought however that this forum may be the right place to discuss a somewhat sensitive topic with regards to marja`iyyah.

There's already a thread about how one becomes a marja`.. I wanted to have a look at the system itself, especially 'post' graduating (if thats the right word) into the realm of marja`iyyah.

In society we have proper 'systems' in place for those who are high up and influence people to keep things in check. For example.. A doctor has to go through a medical degree before he graduates... if there are 'problems' he's taken to the medical board who strip him of his licence or hear the story and evaluate the truthfulness of the allegations. Prime Ministers and Presidents don’t go unscathed either and have similar/more complicated processes to ensure we are being led by ‘just’ people.

Why don’t we have the same systems in place for our leaders? Or do we..?

Our scholars (may Allah (swt) protect them) study for decades and some eventually become a Marja` (under the guidance of many learned men and their own research, that’s my understanding). We follow them. Based on their years of study, these men make or break whether or not we are essentially along the 'rigth path'. These men wont necessarily all be the same.. some of the fundamentals will be.. other things wont. Some explore issues further after they reach the level of a marja` and make decisions.. occasionally depending on time/place they may change some of their earlier findings and influence a large number of Muslim brothers and sisters. There’s nothing wrong with this… this is what a Marja` does/is meant to do. On the otherhand there are some maraji` who stick to the same thing and don’t change anything or research/investigate further.. i think this is essentially ok also if nothing changes in the marja` point of view to determine whether or not to look into things further.

My main questions for discussion are:

1. Is the system flawed if there’s no proper system of ‘quality assurance’ so to speak if someone is not performing their duty as a marja`?

2. Are they once a marja` always a marja`?

3. Why cant we follow more than one marja` ? I haven’t been completely convinced as to the one-only philosophy yet (currently following one though)

4. Does the system need to be changed? ie.. do we need more stringent systems in place.

Interested in hearing people's thoughts re some/all of my questions

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1. Is the system flawed if there’s no proper system of ‘quality assurance’ so to speak if someone is not performing their duty as a marja`?

Some scholars as far as I remember (warning: my memory these days is horrible) have called for this.

http://www.aimislam.com/resources/22-juris...-marjaiyya.html

http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/default.asp?url=ijtihad.htm (you will have to scroll down, just search for Council of Fuqaha on the page)

2. Are they once a marja` always a marja`?

A marja is a mujtahid who is followed by people (as I understand from what I was told). So maybe if folk stop following the mujtahid his marja status goes. :unsure:

3. Why cant we follow more than one marja` ? I haven’t been completely convinced as to the one-only philosophy yet (currently following one though)

I think I will just post one of my previous posts explaining why it is not allowed. I dont want to type it all out again.

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=1813296 (first paragraph after quote)

You would be following contradictory academic principles if you followed more than one marja.

4. Does the system need to be changed? ie.. do we need more stringent systems in place.

Doesnt seem like it or even if there is let the marjas deal with it. :P

Ayatollah Behjat (ra) was asked what irfan is. He went silent (yeah I think he did go silent even though I am not 100% sure because my memory has been horrible lately) and then he replied it (irfan) is to act on what you know. So if you know lying is haram then you dont do it. That is irfan. Anyways so my point is instead of making changes to an already stable system and worrying about it, lets first act on what we already know and try and bring changes to things we already know need to be changed (ourselves).

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I think its a pretty weird question that you are asking to begin with. Have you ever done any research work in University or higher level? Then you would know that you work with one mentor just like a Ph. D. student works under one professor. He does interacts, presents and defends his thesis but those others (professors or intectuals) are not his boss or lead. Its natural that two people visualize and conclude differently with the similar knowledge even though we (who are not specialized ourselves in that area) may not see it. The same thing applies to Maraaja and you can not follow two people at the same time. So I don't see any bottlenecks in the system.

First of all, you don't have to follow a marjaa if you are capable yourself to gain all the knowledge and are able to infer from Hadith to come up with a ruling. Mostly people don't want to do it and its not an easy task either. Then you are the one who selects from your research the most knowledgeable, pious person with other required qualities by Islam. If after selecting some one you getting a different feeling, it just reflects that you did not do your job of researching correctly or you proably don't know what you are doing. In any case the option to follow yourself is open and we all know there are some great shia people (converts) exist because of the same reason that they really researched.

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Assalam alaykum everyone,

Inshallah everyone is well.. I havent posted a topic in ages, inshallah this doesnt offend. I thought however that this forum may be the right place to discuss a somewhat sensitive topic with regards to marja`iyyah.

There's already a thread about how one becomes a marja`.. I wanted to have a look at the system itself, especially 'post' graduating (if thats the right word) into the realm of marja`iyyah.

In society we have proper 'systems' in place for those who are high up and influence people to keep things in check. For example.. A doctor has to go through a medical degree before he graduates... if there are 'problems' he's taken to the medical board who strip him of his licence or hear the story and evaluate the truthfulness of the allegations. Prime Ministers and Presidents don’t go unscathed either and have similar/more complicated processes to ensure we are being led by ‘just’ people.

Why don’t we have the same systems in place for our leaders? Or do we..?

Our scholars (may Allah (swt) protect them) study for decades and some eventually become a Marja` (under the guidance of many learned men and their own research, that’s my understanding). We follow them. Based on their years of study, these men make or break whether or not we are essentially along the 'rigth path'. These men wont necessarily all be the same.. some of the fundamentals will be.. other things wont. Some explore issues further after they reach the level of a marja` and make decisions.. occasionally depending on time/place they may change some of their earlier findings and influence a large number of Muslim brothers and sisters. There’s nothing wrong with this… this is what a Marja` does/is meant to do. On the otherhand there are some maraji` who stick to the same thing and don’t change anything or research/investigate further.. i think this is essentially ok also if nothing changes in the marja` point of view to determine whether or not to look into things further.

My main questions for discussion are:

1. Is the system flawed if there’s no proper system of ‘quality assurance’ so to speak if someone is not performing their duty as a marja`?

2. Are they once a marja` always a marja`?

3. Why cant we follow more than one marja` ? I haven’t been completely convinced as to the one-only philosophy yet (currently following one though)

4. Does the system need to be changed? ie.. do we need more stringent systems in place.

Interested in hearing people's thoughts re some/all of my questions

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You would be following contradictory academic principles if you followed more than one marja.

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I have to respectfully disagree.

You would be following poor logic in addition to contradictoru academic principles if you followed ONLY 1 marja that was not an infallible. As is stands, we have no infallible marjas available and thus we must follow the most knowledgeable. However, a lot of people miss the point that most knowledgeable is a relative concept. I can be the most knowledgeable in fiqh, but not necessarily history. You can be the most knowledgeable in the science of hadith, but not in classic arabic or quran.

The point I am trying to make here is that there exists no marja to date, nor will there ever, that can claim to be the most knowledgeable in all the matters that a Muslim requires another to explain, when it comes to providing law & guidance.

My advice is to respect the institution of marja'iyat and consult a variety of them when you have a question or concern. But also, you need to know how they came to that conclusion. IF they came to their opinion by way of hadith, is their knowledge of hadith the best out there? Do they know enough history to make sure the hadith was not taken out of context? What about references in the Qu'ran?

How many marjas have even put out tafseers?

Check the marjas, but do your research also. Do no sacrifice your gift of 'aql & ijtihad. Tab'eed is the most pragmatic solution for the current times, in my humble opinion (especially if you live in a non-muslim country with no marja present).

To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing in the Qu'ran or Hadith that make it wajib on us to follow only 1 marja.

May Allah forgive me if I am wrong and may he guide us all to the truth.

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Salams again,

I've been insanely busy but and am back again lol. Apologies for the delay in my response:

^Hassassin - i'm with you on the infallibility issue. If our Imam Al Mahdi (atf) was around, sure there'd be only one that would be worthy of being followed.... but infallibles and to only follow ONE? Why not use our `aql and read the info of all scholars if we wanted to? The fact that no one is infallible except those (as) who came before us, there needs to be a system in place to ensure that us lay people can be rest assured with whomever we are following. There needs to be a board/council of some sort, not rumours from what one marja3 says of another - it needs to be CLEAR ie no ambiguity else it's all slander and gossip.

I think its a pretty weird question that you are asking to begin with. Have you ever done any research work in University or higher level?

LOL, in highschool I would be told that I either think outsede the square or be given a 'look' when i ask an unusual question. Things dont change I guess lol. And yes, I have done both.

Then you would know that you work with one mentor just like a Ph. D. student works under one professor. He does interacts, presents and defends his thesis but those others (professors or intectuals) are not his boss or lead. Its natural that two people visualize and conclude differently with the similar knowledge even though we (who are not specialized ourselves in that area) may not see it. The same thing applies to Maraaja and you can not follow two people at the same time. So I don't see any bottlenecks in the system.

Hmmm.. that doesnt make sense to me. I haven't done a phD yet, (not that insane – yet anyway lol), however a number of my friends have – and they are mentored/supervised by one or two people, and they research many other 'scholars' or 'scholarly text' to help justify or add food for thought depending on what they are investigating.

First of all, you don't have to follow a marjaa if you are capable yourself to gain all the knowledge and are able to infer from Hadith to come up with a ruling. Mostly people don't want to do it and its not an easy task either. Then you are the one who selects from your research the most knowledgeable, pious person with other required qualities by Islam. If after selecting some one you getting a different feeling, it just reflects that you did not do your job of researching correctly or you proably don't know what you are doing. In any case the option to follow yourself is open and we all know there are some great shia people (converts) exist because of the same reason that they really researched

I know that we can 'follow ourself' if we research ourselves..... however for me this just lends itself to the 'follow more than one marja3'. By researching the range of scholars and making our 'own' decision, essentially we are following 'more than one marja3' as each judgement we make is based on the opinion/s of few/many (not just one – otherwise they would be the 'marja3).

Ayatollah Behjat was asked what irfan is. He went silent (yeah I think he did go silent even though I am not 100% sure because my memory has been horrible lately) and then he replied it (irfan) is to act on what you know. So if you know lying is haram then you dont do it. That is irfan. Anyways so my point is instead of making changes to an already stable system and worrying about it, lets first act on what we already know and try and bring changes to things we already know need to be changed (ourselves).

But thats the thing dingdong, I dont think its a stable system – there's one gaping hole in it. Allah (swt) has asked that we ask questions of things we are unsure of... and this is quite a significant issue that I am forced to question.

Khair inshallah - again dont mean to offend.

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3. Why cant we follow more than one marja` ? I haven’t been completely convinced as to the one-only philosophy yet (currently following one though)

It is possible, actually. There is a technical terms for it that I forget, but the notion does exist. There is the option of doing the most stringent option amongst all available that everyone knows about, but there is another option as well where you refer to a number of top tier scholars on issues.

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Salams again,

I've been insanely busy but and am back again lol. Apologies for the delay in my response:

^Hassassin - i'm with you on the infallibility issue. If our Imam Al Mahdi (atf) was around, sure there'd be only one that would be worthy of being followed.... but infallibles and to only follow ONE? Why not use our `aql and read the info of all scholars if we wanted to? The fact that no one is infallible except those (as) who came before us, there needs to be a system in place to ensure that us lay people can be rest assured with whomever we are following. There needs to be a board/council of some sort, not rumours from what one marja3 says of another - it needs to be CLEAR ie no ambiguity else it's all slander and gossip.

LOL, in highschool I would be told that I either think outsede the square or be given a 'look' when i ask an unusual question. Things dont change I guess lol. And yes, I have done both.

Hmmm.. that doesnt make sense to me. I haven't done a phD yet, (not that insane – yet anyway lol), however a number of my friends have – and they are mentored/supervised by one or two people, and they research many other 'scholars' or 'scholarly text' to help justify or add food for thought depending on what they are investigating.

I know that we can 'follow ourself' if we research ourselves..... however for me this just lends itself to the 'follow more than one marja3'. By researching the range of scholars and making our 'own' decision, essentially we are following 'more than one marja3' as each judgement we make is based on the opinion/s of few/many (not just one – otherwise they would be the 'marja3).

But thats the thing dingdong, I dont think its a stable system – there's one gaping hole in it. Allah (swt) has asked that we ask questions of things we are unsure of... and this is quite a significant issue that I am forced to question.

Khair inshallah - again dont mean to offend.

The late Ayatullah Lankarani allowed more than one Mujtahid to be followed if one was certain that another Mujtahid was a specialist in a certain domain. However true this would still be done under the guidance of one jurist

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Why don’t we have the same systems in place for our leaders? Or do we..?

The answer would be yes and no. When one examines the issue of Taqleed and the institution of Marjiyyah and the path taken to reach that there are certain aspects which will stand out which makes it difficult to have such a system. You have to realise that focus of the Mujtahid/Marja is the realm of Jurisprudence primarily however they do study other subjects and master them as well. When they reach a certain stage and given the ijaza of Ijtehad then the system ceases as to speak, it is not because the person is above criticism or scrutiny rather it is because the person in the subject of Fiqh is his own marja essentially and does not follow another Marja so if a system of checks was to be inplace for this then it would raise very complex problems and issues due to the differences that occur between the Marjiyyah on different aspects of Fiqh. There is no clear cut ruling to make the criteria and the examine it against if that makes sense I hope.

Till the point of being a mujtahid, one goes through different levels of studies and examinations. Tested by other marjas in certain aspects before being given the permission of Ijtehad however that system as well in itself is not fully implemented because if such did occur you will find that every person who has been to the Hawza would have creditionals stating where he got to in his studies and there would be no confusion as to whether X or Y has creditionals to be a Senior Aalim/Mujtahid etc. There is an article which narrates the view of Shaheed Sadr [r] in this aspect of the Hawza where he talks about how there should be a system in place for this. Have a look at this thread: Al-Sadr's Quest for the Marjiyyah

Some explore issues further after they reach the level of a marja` and make decisions.. occasionally depending on time/place they may change some of their earlier findings and influence a large number of Muslim brothers and sisters. There’s nothing wrong with this… this is what a Marja` does/is meant to do. On the otherhand there are some maraji` who stick to the same thing and don’t change anything or research/investigate further.. i think this is essentially ok also if nothing changes in the marja` point of view to determine whether or not to look into things further.

That is a question more on the basis of methodologies applied by the Marjas in regards to the formulation of the ruling.

1. Is the system flawed if there’s no proper system of ‘quality assurance’ so to speak if someone is not performing their duty as a marja`?

I do not believe the system as such flawed because at a certain point you reach a limiting aspect in the system if the quality assurance was introduced as to speak. However, I would like to see a system which actually works to establish accredited Scholars through recognising their progress in the Hawza.

One thing that we have seen in the last decade or so as to speak is that people go to the hawza and come back and the mimbars are occupied by them while their creditionals are not really there. This undermines the role of a Scholar in the community as a whole. Having a system in place which shows creditionals of a person clearly would actually go a long way in establishing a solid relationship between the community and that scholar.

Here is another thing to consider as well, as you mentioned in your example of Doctors they have a board, the people on that board are probably the most qualified doctors. The Marjiyyah is the highest rank in the Scholaristic aspect hence they would actually make this board so when it comes to doing checks on other Marjas then would it not be very complicated due to differing ideologies and methodologies? Also, you have to compare the system of Marjiyyah say a few decades ago to now to realise that there has been mass changes. For example, in the past there was a notion of one the most knowledgeable Marja and people would follow him. Now this concept is very rarely practised due to there not being the most knowledgeable Marja notion and hence this raises many questions regarding the institute of Marjiyyat given its current state.

2. Are they once a marja` always a marja`?

I would say yes such has been the case.

3. Why cant we follow more than one marja` ? I haven’t been completely convinced as to the one-only philosophy yet (currently following one though)

You do not have to. There is Ehtiyat and there is Tab’eedh. Following one marja is one's own choice otherwise one can apply the other two concepts mentioned.

4. Does the system need to be changed? ie.. do we need more stringent systems in place.

See above.

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You would be following poor logic in addition to contradictoru academic principles if you followed ONLY 1 marja that was not an infallible. As is stands, we have no infallible marjas available and thus we must follow the most knowledgeable. However, a lot of people miss the point that most knowledgeable is a relative concept. I can be the most knowledgeable in fiqh, but not necessarily history. You can be the most knowledgeable in the science of hadith, but not in classic arabic or quran.

You only follow a marja in issues of fiqh, hence it doesn’t matter if they are not the fore most expert in other fields, although technically fiqh does encompass all the fields.

I suggest you guys read this excellent article by former SC member AbdulHussain:

I think this may help answer some questions.

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Salaam,

I think there is a system to ensure "QA" for the Maraja, but its not as formal. If one marja makes incorrect rulings or acts, then other scholars, of equal, higher, or lower stature will call them out and say so. Whether its valid or not, that is exactly what is happening with Syed Fadlallah.

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The marja'iyyah system is definitely under stress and without changes it is sure to head for serious crisis. Although there probably are some quality control issues, I think much more serious has been the encroachment of politics and certain governments into the the system. Until the marja's can be independent again, and it is not all their fault that they are not, their will be problems. The irony of the revolution in Iran is that it was an attempt to instill religion into politics that ended up infecting and de-legitimizing religious authority. It is clear that the marja'iyyah system is not what it appears, where people rise based on money and government support instead of knowledge and serious reform is needed. There is also issues around accountability with khums money and a few other minor issues, but the above is the most critical.

Although I do not agree with everything in them there are a few articles that may be of interest, most prominent of which is probably Mehdi Khalaji's, The Last Marja: Sistani and the End of Traditional Religious Authority in Shiism. Also Oliver Roy's, The Crisis of Religious Legitimacy in Iran is of interest as well as Linda Walbridge's, The Counterreformation: Becoming a Marja' in the Modern World. Charles Kurzman's, Critics Within: Islamic Scholars' Protests Against the Islamic State in Iran is a further essential read.

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1. Is the system flawed if there’s no proper system of ‘quality assurance’ so to speak if someone is not performing their duty as a marja`?

(salam)

This is my personal opinion.

I think the marja'iyyah is the best system that we currently have. This is the system that ensures we have proper quality control among the scholars.

If you need example, then just look at the non-Shia scholarly pursuit. Why do you think they have people like Bin Baz, Bin Laen, The Online Fatwa Shaykh (Ibrahim?) and others who are speaking on behalf of Islam when they are clearly not so knowledgeable and very malicious.

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I do not believe the system as such flawed because at a certain point you reach a limiting aspect in the system if the quality assurance was introduced as to speak. However, I would like to see a system which actually works to establish accredited Scholars through recognising their progress in the Hawza.

Me too :)

One thing that we have seen in the last decade or so as to speak is that people go to the hawza and come back and the mimbars are occupied by them while their creditionals are not really there. This undermines the role of a Scholar in the community as a whole. Having a system in place which shows creditionals of a person clearly would actually go a long way in establishing a solid relationship between the community and that scholar.
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Here is another thing to consider as well, as you mentioned in your example of Doctors they have a board, the people on that board are probably the most qualified doctors. The Marjiyyah is the highest rank in the Scholaristic aspect hence they would actually make this board so when it comes to doing checks on other Marjas then would it not be very complicated due to differing ideologies and methodologies? Also, you have to compare the system of Marjiyyah say a few decades ago to now to realise that there has been mass changes. For example, in the past there was a notion of one the most knowledgeable Marja and people would follow him. Now this concept is very rarely practised due to there not being the most knowledgeable Marja notion and hence this raises many questions regarding the institute of Marjiyyat given its current state.

Not necessarily, if people 'graduate' there's a system and process in which they abide by. Ie researchers 'research' something/an issue before they can publish it. How 'strong' their research is depends on the extent of study and literature explored. Sure research is always up for discussion however even with research there are levels re what is considered 'strong' versus that which is considered weak. The scholars can determine this as they would have gone through a similar process (down the track). The question however still remains regarding the 'board of scholars and what percentage of 'them' are needed to determine someone can 'continue' as a marja`... ie 100%, >50%... OR should it just be whoever is a marja` continues as one forever? And leave it at that? Forever... ?

I think there is a system to ensure "QA" for the Maraja, but its not as formal. If one marja makes incorrect rulings or acts, then other scholars, of equal, higher, or lower stature will call them out and say so. Whether its valid or not, that is exactly what is happening with Syed Fadlallah.

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But that is exactly my point, there needs to be a far far better way. How do 'we' ie society/shia community know what is a correct/incorrect act? How do we trust what one marja` over another when there's possible personal/political issues at play? The maraji` are NOT infallible. What is happening with Sayyid Fadhlallah in terms of 'theories' and opinions is nothing short of conjecture and from an Islamic perspective gossip/slander in its most extreme form.

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This is my personal opinion.

I think the marja'iyyah is the best system that we currently have. This is the system that ensures we have proper quality control among the scholars.

If you need example, then just look at the non-Shia scholarly pursuit. Why do you think they have people like Bin Baz, Bin Laen, The Online Fatwa Shaykh (Ibrahim?) and others who are speaking on behalf of Islam when they are clearly not so knowledgeable and very malicious.

Wasalams, Yes I agree somewhat however, I wouldnt call what we have in terms of post-graduating a 'system' - we have nothing but comments here and there, nothing formal, or if there is the marja` wont verify his opinion on the matter etc etc making it seem like there are so many so-called 'representatives' in-between making comments out of their authority. Surely there's more that can be done.
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My main questions for discussion are:

1. Is the system flawed if there’s no proper system of ‘quality assurance’ so to speak if someone is not performing their duty as a marja`?

2. Are they once a marja` always a marja`?

3. Why cant we follow more than one marja` ? I haven’t been completely convinced as to the one-only philosophy yet (currently following one though)

4. Does the system need to be changed? ie.. do we need more stringent systems in place.

First off, I think you've raised a few great questions here.

1- I personally would go so far to say the system is flawed, but it can definitely be improved! In order for a religious scholar to be considered a marja`, he does go through a process similar to that of a grad student, in that he researches an area of interest/importance and writes a dissertation, and then defends this dissertation in front of board of learned experts who are familiar with the topic researched. The scholar is then judged based on his ability to gather relevant information and logically construct a valid argument through which a proposal is presented.

This process is great, but as for there being any sort of quality assurance like the checks and balances system, I think that's where we have an issue.

In any area in society, one becomes licensed to perform a duty/task by demonstrating the abilities/knowledge to carry out the task. To become a doctor, an engineer, a lawyer, and even to get a driver's license, you must first show that you are able to do so successfully!

At this point, you are assumed to have good intentions. But once you abuse the privileges given to you, you are then stripped of your license. The same should go for a marja`. One that issues a verdict that CAN BE PROVEN to be contradictory to a fundemental ruling, must retract his verdict or lose his right to lead others in matters of religion. If he retracts the verdict, then he should be monitored for "repeat offenses", and if this occurs on several occasions (let's say three times) then he should be dismissed of his clerical duties. It is not uncommon for a thinker to challenge the "status quo", in fact this should be welcomed; but that in itself is no reason for the cleric to lose his clerical privileges.

2- I think I've already answered this question in a sense that a cleric CAN LOSE his ability to perform clerical duties if deemed "unfit" for the task.

3- I think the reason we cannot follow more than one marja

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(Since my previous post was incomplete, I'll resume it here)

3- I think we can't follow more than one marja`, because this MAY (key word) cause inconsistencies in how we make certain rulings. In other words, every cleric is considered to be a philosopher in the sense that he makes his rulings on the basis of what he deems to be more prior; this priority is relative to each scholar and most likely differs from one marja` to another. To one marja`, it may be okay for a Muslim to eat non-Halal meat if it is completely impossible to get Halal meat from anywhere within 6 hours of driving; while to another scholar, it is unacceptable, and the Muslim must go on a vegetarian diet (I completely made this up as an example). Is the scholar's priority for one to make reasonable effort to eat Halal meat, or is it to completely refrain from eating non-Halal (Haram) meat? To follow this marja` in one ruling and to follow another in a different ruling, of similar nature, is literally "getting your priorities mixed up"...

The consistency and coherence of our lifestyle is thus lost in this scenario...

4-If this system does NOT allow one marja` to lose his rights to perform clerical duties, even if he is proven to have issued a verdict contradictory to himself or the very fundemental principles of the religion, then yes, there need to be changes made, which can only be accomplished on the clerical level as well. In other words, if we go and try to protest this flaw in the system, I don't think we'll make much of a difference unless the movement is led by a cleric of respectably high status.

I hope my response is clear and helpful..

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I think the more important question is if our early scholars told us this thing to follow marjas. What was point for authorin man la yadhurul faqeeh if wer suppos to be in leash for a marja?

Pardon me, but I;m not sure what you said was very clear. Could you please rephrase that?

Do you mean to ask whether we are required to seek fiqh even though we are simply following someone who is already knowledgeable?

I'm not sure if that is your question, but if it is:

I think you should never be content with the amount of knowledge you possess, and it is a religious as well as a moral and humanitarian responsibility to continue to pursue knowledge, no matter how much it seems that that is unnecessary.

Additionally, it's each of our responsibility to be able to critically analyse jurists rulings.

I hope I've answered your point.

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Salams,

Apologies for the very delayed response... i stopped checking, didnt think anyone was interested! I think I'll 'subscribe' to this thread just incase lol

Thanks jonrhaider for your insights! For some people this whole thing isnt an 'issue' at all, but for me it most definitely is something i question a LOT.. I question a bit too much maybe, but ive always been a debater, from highschool through to now lol. With discussions i feel assured re certain issues. I havent been 'assured' yet with this one.

[iraqLives1=quote]Essentially it is a flawed system because we have no imam to guide us.

But it will do for now since its the only way to variate differing hadiths and qurans interpretations.

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