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But a leading dissident cleric, Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri, said an "impartial" committee should resolve the election dispute, which he warned could ultimately undermine the government if it is not addressed. "If Iranians cannot talk about their legitimate rights at peaceful gatherings and are instead suppressed, complexities will build up which could possibly uproot the foundations of the government, no matter how powerful," Agence France-Presse quoted him as saying.

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I think this is a reasonable suggestion.

The fact is people who should investigate the dispute are closely aligned with supporters of Mr AJ.

And the other faction is closely aligned with people who supports Mr AJ.

I hope this thread doesn't turn into "Let's attack Montazeri" :squeez:

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the problem is that the constitution has already designated this organ to be responsible for the monitoring of the election disputes. To say that they must use another organ is unconstitutional.

why dont they have a much easier solution :

form a very reliable polling group from different countries and include musawi and najad people in it , the group would go to Iran and conduct big sample polls on the ground and publicize the results as much as they publicized the death of that lady Neda or the release of that journalist Sabri,

then if the Majlis sees a big difference it can call for reelection otherwise the results will calm the Musawi's group when they know that they really failed and their votes were not stolen.

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If free and fair polls/surveys were allowed, we won't even be having this discussion.

What I don't understand is where are the 40 million ballots sitting at? If the govt counted 40 million votes in 2-3 hours, why don't they simply form a committee of 1000 people from all groups and recount the vote randomly making sure that the votes are by people who exist. Even if constitution designates a certain agency to recount, there should be nothing to stop independent observers sitting behind those guys monitoring the count.

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exactly but when all 3 candidates were called only rezai attended the meeting called by election comitee on saturday

musawi and karrobi chose not to attend and were supporting rioters on streets

whose fault?

rezai evenualy took back all his complaints

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The 12-man Guardian Council¡¯s statement leaves little scope for more legal challenges to the election result, short of an attack on the position of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has expressed strong support for Ahmadinejad.

¡°The Guardian Council has almost finished reviewing defeated candidates¡¯ election complaints ... the reviews showed that the election was the healthiest since the revolution ... There were no major violations in the election,¡± said Abbasali Kadkhodai, spokesman of the council

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle...tion=middleeast

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If free and fair polls/surveys were allowed, we won't even be having this discussion.

What I don't understand is where are the 40 million ballots sitting at? If the govt counted 40 million votes in 2-3 hours, why don't they simply form a committee of 1000 people from all groups and recount the vote randomly making sure that the votes are by people who exist. Even if constitution designates a certain agency to recount, there should be nothing to stop independent observers sitting behind those guys monitoring the count.

this is a lie they did not count 40 million votes in 2-3 hours

in 2-3 hours they only announced that they counted 20% of the total results and ahmadi was sitting on 69% so far

only after 10-12 hours they finished counting the whole thing...

secondly you must understand that they do not have to count 40 million because there are 47 000 poll stations and they all count in parallel not in series as you might imagine.

40 million divided by 47 000 is about 850 votes

so they only had to count 850 votes not 40 million because each station starts counting its own 850 votes at the same time as other stations, do you get it ???

then each station reports the 850 votes electronically and the central counting put everything together and guess what ??

they don't use their fingers to sum up the results but rather they put them in some thing called Microsoft excel and the total sum is done within seconds

you type this formula =Sum( highlight all the cells you want to sum) Enter and you get the sum

but i agree with you why cant they have musawi people sitting behind monitoring the count... but i don't think it will solve anything because they don't think a recount will solve the problem thats why they said they want the thing nullified.

if their claim is that ballots were added then a recount will not help because the added ballots are still there and will reflect even in the recount and give the same result.

they already published the results per box but its not helping .

a reelection would probably be rejected by the people but i always thought its worthwhile the bloods that are spilt

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this is a lie they did not count 40 million votes in 2-3 hours

in 2-3 hours they only announced that they counted 20% of the total results and ahmadi was sitting on 69% so far

The first batch was 5 million votes (about 1/8 of the total vote).

There were six announcements throughout the night.

In the second round of the 2005 election, 2/3 of the votes were counted within the first 4 hours.

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OK, the special commission members have just been announced. Fair selection or not?

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Council appoints 'commission' to probe election

Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:22:43 GMT

The Guardian Council, Iran's election watchdog, forms a "special commission" to prepare a report on the disputed presidential election.

In an interview with Press TV on Thursday, Guardian Council Spokesman Abbas-Ali Kadkhodaei said in addition to a five-day extension for filing complaints, the Council had formed a "special commission" to "secure the additional confidence of the complaining candidates and their supporters."

He added that the commission was composed of six "outstanding political, social and religious figures" and the representatives of the two defeated candidates Mir-Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karroubi who persist with their complaints and demand a re-run.

A third candidate, Mohsen Rezaei, has withdrawn his complaint.

Members of the special commission include

1) former foreign minister and current foreign affairs adviser to the Leader Ali Akbar Velayati,

2) former Majlis speaker Gholam-Ali Haddad Adel,

3) Dean of the Faculty of Law at Shahid Beheshti University Goudarz Eftekhar-Jahromi,

4) Chief Prosecutor Qurban-Ali Dorri-Nadjafabadi,

5) Majlis deputy Mohammad Hassan Abutorabi,

6) and the Leader's representative at the Martyrs Foundation Mohammad-Hassan Rahimian.

The commission will supervise the recounting of about 10 percent of the ballot boxes to be "chosen at random," which Kadkhodaei may be broadcast live.

Kadkhodaei said candidates had 24 hours to name their representatives.

He added that the Guardian Council had called on all political and religious figures to send in any "ambiguities, questions or documented issues for consideration" and that the Council had contacted a number of social and political figures in this regard.

Iran became the scene of opposition rallies last week after the announcement of the results of the 10th presidential election, which declared Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as the winner with nearly two-thirds of the votes.

At least 20 people were killed and many others injured when some protests turned violent. Tehran blames 'saboteurs' for the deaths of the Iranian protesters.

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I watched the American election of Barack Obama, and it only took a few hours to declare him the winner. It was about 10:00pm-11:00pm New York time. So about how long it took to count the votes is an excuse.

Well, America has a much more developed infrastructure, internet access virtually everywhere, etc. Iran is fairly developed but there are still some remote far-out areas which are rather rural and more stuff is done manually.

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Well you see that might be true, but in my country Obama was declared the winner while we were still voting in some states. Not even all of the polls were even closed yet... If I am not mistaken he even made his victory speech while people were still voting. And this raises an interesting question, what if Iran began counting before all of the polls closed like America did? Furthermore, we also know voting was extended for six hours in Iran, what if counting was already taking place then?

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The timeline i have ascertained is that Mousavi declared victory two hours after polls closed with no reference/sources.

1 hour later IRNA declared victory for Ahmedinejad with no reference/sources.

The next morning around 7 or 8 AM Iran time, the MOI announced victory for Ahmedinejad with about 70% of the votes counted.

This timeline is verifiable from this NYTimes article: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/13/world/mi...ast/13iran.html

I believe (not sure and cant find reference right now) that the FIRST set of results was announced right before IRNA's announcement for Ahmedinejad. IRNA did not reference it, but at least the first set of results was out, whereas Mousavi had nothing to base his view on, except his own self-conviction.

FURTHERMORE:

A simple google search on "iran election" for 6/24/05-6/26/05 (for the June 24 2005 elections) will produce a amazingly similar pattern as this election including:

- Khamenei announcing the election results a "profound humiliation" for the US (6/25) - http://www.iranian.ws/cgi-bin/iran_news/exec/view.cgi/3/7829

- Both sides proclaiming victory & Khamenei banning rallies for both sides (6/25) - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2...tent_454507.htm

- Approval of the results by the GC five days later (6/29) - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161027,00.html

- RE: First round - claims of fraud, and GC agreeing to recount votes in 100 ballot boxes - http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2005/06/20/iran050620.html

You can google the same for 2001, and 1997, and you will much of the same patterns....

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Well, America has a much more developed infrastructure, internet access virtually everywhere, etc. Iran is fairly developed but there are still some remote far-out areas which are rather rural and more stuff is done manually.

How aware are you of how developed Iran's infrastructure is? Are you for example aware that Iran is one of few countries in the world that has a fiber optic backbone, connecting all governmental bodies to one another with fiber optics? Are you also aware that all departments of Iran are online? This is the same fiber optics network Iran installed for Lebanon... which amazed the Zionists that they just couldn't cut communication and the satellite channel of Hezbollah because of this network.

All results are filled on five forms, signed by several representatives, one of which is entered in the ballot box itself. Other than that all results are entered in PC right after counting, while the person entering it is being watched by four observers.

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Other than that all results are entered in PC right after counting, while the person entering it is being watched by four observers.

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Don't forget ....computer glitches, software defects, rounding errors, ballot box being tampered before the voting process....I can really be creative. Mr Musavi had over 640 complaint. You need an independent panel.

If you can't have independent then get representative from both side.

This is really not unreasonable request.

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