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Ibn Al Arabi , Sunni or Shia ?

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Ibn Arabi's works and thoughts have been heavily tampered with.. It wouldn't surprise me if it'd turn out to be political propaganda that has forced his writings into the books we have today. He has far too many complicated contridictary notions throughout his writings for it all to be true. For example, the fact which Fyst had pointed out with respect to his explanation of Umar's ''knowledge'' contradicts his teachings of the imamah being a higher station than nubuwwa. OR he was just a complicated contridictary man in person.

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Ibn Arabi's works and thoughts have been heavily tampered with.. It wouldn't surprise me if it'd turn out to be political propaganda that has forced his writings into the books we have today. He has far too many complicated contridictary notions throughout his writings for it all to be true. For example, the fact which Fyst had pointed out with respect to his explanation of Umar's ''knowledge'' contradicts his teachings of the imamah being a higher station than nubuwwa. OR he was just a complicated contridictary man in person.

I'd say it be more likely the latter, since his magnus opum, al-Futuhat al-Makkiyya, is available in his own hand-written manuscript. (Not that there hasn't necessarily been tampering apart from that though, I suspect that some if not all of the passages that people use to "prove" he was really a Shi`a are interpolations done by later Shi`as to try to rescue the guy from his otherwise very clear Sufi Sunnism (and anti-Shi`ism)). Why Shi`as should turn to this confused person for any type of religious and spiritual guidance is baffling.

For instance, his variously stating that `Isa b. Maryam (as) was the khatam al-wilayat, and that the Mahdi (as) is the khatam al-wilayat (if he really said that), and finally that he himself is the khatam al-wilayat might just be the indications of an increasingly megalomaniac sense of self importance (as is not uncommon with a number of self-professed "mystics").

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You seem pretty confident in your opinion, you write him off as some L Ron Hubbard.. you have to give the guy some credit though as being misunderstood by so many.

Honestly, I think the ones that have "misunderstood" him the most are those that have been so blinded by his reputation that they've failed to see the guy for what he really was.

If folks want to see what I'm talking about, I'd point them to this work of Sayyid Murtada al-`Amuli which several quotes from his works and such, letting him condemn himself with his own words as it were. To verify, you can look them up in his Futuhat (the ones that are from that), which is available online:

http://www.mezan.net/sayed_jaafar/s-j-b/ebensrabi.htm

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as is not uncommon with a number of self-professed "mystics"

Lol, from "Shaykh Al-Akbar" to a "megalomaniac pseudo self-professed mystic" :lol:..

Honestly, I think the ones that have "misunderstood" him the most are those that have been so blinded by his reputation that they've failed to see the guy for what he really was.

A slight over exaggeration don't you think ? So now every scholar who gave him credit where it was due, did so not because they thought his works deserved praise, but out of blindness of his reputation ? You may ascribe the fallacy of appealing to someone's reputation to some ignorant kid, but to attribute it to great scholars, all of them, is beyond absurd. This is what Mutahhari writes about him:

Muhyi al-Din, also known by the name Ibn al-'Arabi, is certainly the greatest mystic of Islam. No one else has been able to reach his level, neither before nor after him. Thus he is known by the sobriquet 'al-Shaykh al-'Akbar' (the Greatest Shaykh).

Islamic mysticism, from the time of its first appearance, has made progress one century after another. Each century, as indicated above, produced great mystics who have developed 'irfan, always adding to its heritage. This advancement had always been gradual. But in the 7th/13th century with the appearance of Ibn al-'Arabi 'irfan made a sudden leap and reached the summit of its perfection.

Ibn al-'Arabi took 'irfan to a stage it had never reached before.

The foundations for the second branch of 'irfan, that is theoretical 'irfan and its attendant philosophy, were laid by Ibn al-'Arabi. In general, the mystics who came after him ate the crumbs from his table.

Besides bringing 'irfan into a new phase, Ibn al-'Arabi was one of the wonders of time. He was an amazing person, and this has led to wildly divergent views about him. Some consider him al-Wali al-Kamil (the Perfect Saint) and the Qutb al-'Aqtab (the Pole of Poles). Others degrade him so much as to regard him a heretic, calling him Mumit al-Din (the Killer of the Faith) or Mahi al-Din (the Effacer of the Faith). Sadr al-Muta'allihin (Mulla Sadra), the great philosopher and Islamic genius, had the greatest respect for him, considering him far greater than Ibn Sina or al-Farabi.

And what reputation are you talking about anyway ? Repuation is earned. And if you agree he has reputation amongst the scholars, then you also acknowledge that he must've had something, at least one thing, which was good and noble enough to win him his reputation. So you are actually (contradictarily and implicitly) praising the man yourself already..

I suspect that some if not all of the passages that people use to "prove" he was really a Shi`a are interpolations done by later Shi`as to try to rescue the guy from his otherwise very clear Sufi Sunnism (and anti-Shi`ism)

To summarise, efforts (like yours) to push him to one extreme (anti-Shi`ism) are proportional in validity to the efforts of others that try to push him to the other extreme (Shi`ism). You implicitly acknowledge this when you say "I'd say it be more likely the latter".

Needless to say, both these efforts are absolutely futile. His views on one issue, do not [necessarily] promote nor tarnish the validity of any another concept he may of have proposed (not to mention one of a mystical nature as well)..

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As-Salamu 'Alaykum,

Seyyed Hossein Nasr writes in his introduction to Allamah Tabataba'i's "Kernel of the Kernel":

"[Allamah Tabataba'i] once told me that he had studied the Fusus of Ibn-Arabi for years in Persia and thought that he knew this central work of Sufi gnosis well before he set out to continue his studies in Najaf. Once in that city he decided to attend the private lessons being given by Mirza Ali Qadi on the Fusus. The venerable and saintly 'Allamah Tabataba'i told me that during the first hour of the course his whole state (hal) began to change and he heard the walls of the room echoing Shaykh al-Akbar's words. He realized that until then he had only known the outward meaning of the words of the text and was only now beginning to understand what they really meant. The master later initiated the young Allamah who began to undergo parallel with his formal studies, rigorous spiritual discipline with long fasts of silence that affected his presence for the rest of his life. One could not be in his presence, even when he was teaching, without experiencing something of the holy silence from which all words worthy of the name proceed and to which they all return."

The transmission of 'irfan and Ibn 'Arabi teachings in the Shi'ite world is discussed at more length in the article, although Ibn 'Arabi's teachings are one element in Shi'ite 'irfan, which can not be reduced to them. Much like Sunni Sufism, Shi'ite 'irfan is also based on the Quran, and the barakah of the Prophet (sal) as transmitted through living chains.

http://islamknowledge.org/Collection/About...'snotes.htm

Wa Salam,

Nur Muhammad

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Sunnis do not believe in the hidden 12th Imam in occultation or so

Sunnis accept the Imama of Sayyiduna Imam Zain al-Abidin Sayyiduna Imam Muhammad al-Baqir Sayyiduna Imam Ja'far as Sadiq Sayyiduna Imam Musa al-Kadhim and his descendents.

But there is no 12th Imam son of Sayyiduna Imam Hasan al-askari radiallahu anhu

This is spiritual Imama, not the Imama concept as stated by shiis of any group.

Imam Ibrahim al-Nakha'i radiallahu anhu and his students and their students such as Imam abu Hanifa, all Sunnis, were also all students of the Imams of the Ahl al-Bayt.

Shaykh al-Akbar Ibn al-'Arabi's Teachers all belonged to the 4 Schools of Sunni Islam. Since he was from Spain/Maghreb, they were mostly of the Madina School, but others too.

Shaykh al-Akbar was a Master of Tasawwuf. Sunnis proudly narrate his authenticated miracles, and there are so many, and so amaizing.

Could you please give some more info on the athna ashari sunnis

yes, sunnis say that too, and not just for him, but also for others like him

Shaykh al-Akbar ibn al-Arabi was only one Spiritual Master. I guess people here do not know about others. On of them is

Ghawth Abu Madyan Tlemcani

He is resting in Tlemcan, on the Moroccon/Algerian border

Shaykh al-Akbar Ibn al-'Arabi radiallahu anhu is one of the Mujtahids of the Sunnis. All his students were Sunni masters, and all his teachers were also Sunni masters.

Infact, some of his teachers were even higher masters than himself. I guess the twelver scholars in Iran have not come across the works of Shaykh al-Akbar teachers.

1) Most of ibn Arabi's student were either Shi'ites under taqiyya or had some relation to the Shi'ite school of thought.

2) Ibn Arabi (ra) explicitly mentioned his strong belief in the 12th Imam that is in occultation, and named him (as) by his name: Al-Mahdi. Along with that, he described the holy Imam (as) by the descriptions of the Shi'ites narrations. He also goes on to mention that he had met the Imam (as) two times and saw the "sign" which he has to show that he is the chosen leader.

3) In many different references, Ibn Arabi prefers the Shi'ite jurisprudential laws over that of the Sunni's, such as the Basmala of the verses, where Ibn Arabi believes that it is part of the Sura, just as the Shi'ites believe that. He later explains that those who have this believe, are the 'ulama' billah (the scholars of God), meaning those who do not believe it are not. Also, he prefers the method of wudu' for the Shi'ites in explaining the verse of the Qur'an which speaks about the wiping of the feet, where Ibn Arabi emphasizes that the correct method of ablution is to wipe the feet, and not wash them, as the Sunni sect says.

4) Ibn Arabi had mentioned, as quoted by Mulla Muhsen Faydh Al Kashani (ra) , that Imam Ali (pbuh) holds the secrets of all the Prophets (as) , and that he is the most knowledgeable after Prophet Muhammad (saww).

5) Ibn Arabi has a book in the name of manaqeb al 'a'ema. In this book, he recites a special prayer to each Imam (pbuh) regarding the high status of that Imam (as) , and I will paste it here in order to spread the rewards between the lovers of Ahlulbeit (pbut):

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1) Most of ibn Arabi's student were either Shi'ites under taqiyya or had some relation to the Shi'ite school of thought.

they were all Sunni, can you name them all please

2) Ibn Arabi (ra) explicitly mentioned his strong belief in the 12th Imam that is in occultation, and named him (as) by his name: Al-Mahdi. Along with that, he described the holy Imam (as) by the descriptions of the Shi'ites narrations. He also goes on to mention that he had met the Imam (as) two times and saw the "sign" which he has to show that he is the chosen leader.

he believes in Imam al-Mahdi as every sunni does; it does not matter how far twelvers manipulate

3) In many different references, Ibn Arabi prefers the Shi'ite jurisprudential laws over that of the Sunni's, such as the Basmala of the verses, where Ibn Arabi believes that it is part of the Sura, just as the Shi'ites believe that.

actually, its a Sunni position too.

He later explains that those who have this believe, are the 'ulama' billah (the scholars of God), meaning those who do not believe it are not.

typical exagerration

Also, he prefers the method of wudu' for the Shi'ites in explaining the verse of the Qur'an which speaks about the wiping of the feet, where Ibn Arabi emphasizes that the correct method of ablution is to wipe the feet, and not wash them, as the Sunni sect says.

where did you get this from?

4) Ibn Arabi had mentioned, as quoted by Mulla Muhsen Faydh Al Kashani (ra) , that Imam Ali (pbuh) holds the secrets of all the Prophets (as) , and that he is the most knowledgeable after Prophet Muhammad (saww).

sunnis believe that too, but not as twelvers try to make it out

5) Ibn Arabi has a book in the name of manaqeb al 'a'ema. In this book, he recites a special prayer to each Imam (pbuh) regarding the high status of that Imam (as) , and I will paste it here in order to spread the rewards between the lovers of Ahlulbeit (pbut)

no he does not, and Allah knows Best

What are you talking about ? Tabataba`i's [QS] preceptors does not include, and has nothing to do with, "Shaykh Al-Akbar" (despite whatever others may write about him). Not only is he not in Tabataba`i's chain, but you are also claiming that authorisation from him is necessary ?!

He explicitly writes himself:

The chain of the teachers of gnosis goes back to Imam Ali. The number of the sufi orders which have taken part in imparting the mystic knowledge is more than 100, but the main orders are not more than 25. All these orders go back to Imam Ali. Almost all of them belong to the Sunni denomination. Only two or three of them are Shi'ite. Some of these orders are traced back through Ma'ruf Karkhi to Imam Ali Reza.
But we belong to none of these orders and follow the directions of the late Akhund,
who had nothing to do with these orders.

And then fyi, he goes onto describe his chain exactly:

More than a hundred years ago there lived in Shustar a leading scholar and Qazi (judge) named Agha Sayyid Ali Shushtari. Like other eminent scholars his occupation was teaching and administration of justice. Many people called on him to take counsel. One day all of a sudden somebody knocked at his door. When Agha Sayyid Ali opened it he saw a weaver standing there. On inquiry as to what he wanted, he said: "The judgement given by you regarding the ownership of that particular property on the basis of the evidence produced before you was not correct. Actually that property belongs to an orphan little child and its deed is buried at such and such place. The course that is being followed by you is also wrong." Ayatulllah Shushtari said: "Do you mean to say that my judgement was wrong?" The weaver said: "What I have told you is the fact." After saying that the weaver went away. The Ayatullah began to think over who that man was and what he said. On further inquiry it was found that the said deed was actually buried at the place mentioned by the weaver, and that the witnesses produced were liars. The Ayatullah was alarmed, and said to himself: "My other judgements also might have been wrong." He was frightened. Next night the weaver again knocked at the door and said: 'The course being followed by you is not proper.' The same thing happened the third night. The weaver said: 'Do not waste time. Collect all your domestic effects and sell them out, and then set out for Najaf. Do as I have told you, and after six months wait for me in the Wadi'us Salam of Najaf. The late Shushtari left for Najaf. As soon as he arrived there he saw that the weaver in the Wadi?us Salam at sunrise, as if he had emerged suddenly from the ground. He gave some instructions and then disappeared once again. The late Shushtari entered Najaf and began to act according to the weavers instructions. At last he reached a position too high to be described.

The late Sayyid Ali Shushtari held Shaykh Murtaza Ansari in great respect and attended his lectures on theology and jurisprudence. Shaykh Murtaza Ansari also attended Sayyid Ali's lectures on moral law once a week. Following Shaykh Murtaza Ansari's death, the late Sayyid Ali assumed his teaching functions and began to give lectures from where Shaykh Murtaza Ansari had suspended them. But he did not live long and died after six months only. Anyhow, during this short period Sayyid Ali trained and guided Mulla Husayn Quli, one of Shaykh Murtaza Ansari's distinguished pupils. Mulla Husayn Quli already had some contact with Agha Sayyid Ali and from time to time used to ask him questions regarding moral and spiritual matters. When Sayyid Ali succeeded Shaykh Murtaza Ansari, he sent a message to Mulla Husayn Quli, on which he wrote:

'The course that you are following presently is faulty. Try to attain to higher positions.' At last Agha Sayyid Ali succeeded in persuading Mulla Husayn Quli to follow his method. Consequently before long Mulla Husayn Quli became a wonder of his time in morals, spiritual knowledge and self-mortification. Mulla Husayn Quli also trained some very distinguished and competent pupils, each of whom became a shining star on the sky of gnosis. His most prominent pupils included Haji Mirza Jawad Agha Malaki, Agha Sayyid Ahmad Karbalai Tehrani, Agha Sayyid Muhammad Sa'id Habbubi and Haji Shaykh Muhammad Bahari.

My preceptor was the late Haji Mirza Ali Agha Qazi who was a pupil of Agha Sayyid Ahmad Karbalai. This is the chain of my preceptors which goes back to the above mentioned weaver through the late Shushtari. Anyhow, it is not known who that weaver was and from where he acquired his gnostic knowledge.

Suprisingly, I see no mention Ibn `Arabi in that list anywhere..

thanks for proving that Shaykh Tabatabai does not have a chain from Shaykh al-Akbar

I'd say it be more likely the latter, since his magnus opum, al-Futuhat al-Makkiyya, is available in his own hand-written manuscript. (Not that there hasn't necessarily been tampering apart from that though, I suspect that some if not all of the passages that people use to "prove" he was really a Shi`a are interpolations done by later Shi`as to try to rescue the guy from his otherwise very clear Sufi Sunnism (and anti-Shi`ism)). Why Shi`as should turn to this confused person for any type of religious and spiritual guidance is baffling.

For instance, his variously stating that `Isa b. Maryam (as) was the khatam al-wilayat, and that the Mahdi (as) is the khatam al-wilayat (if he really said that), and finally that he himself is the khatam al-wilayat might just be the indications of an increasingly megalomaniac sense of self importance (as is not uncommon with a number of self-professed "mystics").

his own handwritten manuscript did not survive

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Anyone have this chapter online?

Salaam

http://www.ibnarabisociety.org/articlespdf/sp_mahdi.pdf

What are you talking about ? Tabataba`i's [QS] preceptors does not include, and has nothing to do with, "Shaykh Al-Akbar" (despite whatever others may write about him). Not only is he not in Tabataba`i's chain, but you are also claiming that authorisation from him is necessary ?!

Since we know nothing of his precepters beyond the 'weaver'; who knows what path the chain took.

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they were all Sunni, can you name them all please

he believes in Imam al-Mahdi as every sunni does; it does not matter how far twelvers manipulate

actually, its a Sunni position too.

typical exagerration

where did you get this from?

sunnis believe that too, but not as twelvers try to make it out

no he does not, and Allah knows Best

thanks for proving that Shaykh Tabatabai does not have a chain from Shaykh al-Akbar

his own handwritten manuscript did not survive

Thank you for your reply brother,

I ask you to grant me the time of my return to the house in order to reply to what you have written.

Do not forget us from your du'as.

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Imami ali

1) A baseless statement

2) Yes, Shaykh al-Akbar (radia'Llahu anhu) beleived in the 12 Imams, and believed Imam Muhammad bin Hasan to be al-Mahdi. Al-Shaykh also describes that they met the Imam Mahdi, who was then over 300 years.

3) The Basmala is to be recited according to the fiqh of Imam al-Shafi'i and his school.

The wiping of the feet was the opinion of some of the early ulama, many mujtahid Imams have passed, but not all opinions have been preserved, let alone their math'habs. He was a mujtahid fi al-shar or a Thahiri, and here Thahiri means in the sense of them being anti-taqlid, not embracing the usul of Imam Dawud al-Thahiri.

4) I also believe al-Imam Ali (karamu'Llahu wajhahu wa alaihi al-salam) to have inherited the secrets of the Prophet (salla'Llahu alaihi wa alihi wasallam), and to be the most knowledgable.

5) It is to be expected from someone like al-Shaykh al-Akbar (rahimahu'Llah).

If he calls the Rawafith Pigs in Spirit, people don't understand how he can be so contradictory. This is because you make assumptions according to your pre-conceived beliefs. See, it is possible to believe in the 'Immah (alaihim al-salam) and at the same time love Shaykhayn (radia'Llahu anhuma), and believe in the validity of their Khilafa, and in their Justice. So does this make him a 12'er, does this make him a Sunni? Or does this leave him in a situation where he is not accepted by either group, Allahu alam.

wassalam

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(bismillah)

(salam)

Isa Abdullah-

Studying the history, can you say it's possible to love both Ahlul-Bayt (as) and the first three caliphs?

If Umar opposes the Prophet (s) throughout his mission, refuses him his wish on his deathbed and calls him "that man" who is "sick" can one really love them both?

If Fatima (sa) tells Abu Bakr she is angry with him, and her anger is that of the Prophet (s) which is the anger of God, can I love them both? Do I love the one whose house was threatened with fire and the one who threatened it?

One cannot love both truth and falsehood

Allah has not made for any man two hearts within him (33:4)

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Isa Abdallah ,did you read Ibn Arabi?

Be careful ,there are several versions of this book and those copied in Safavid Iran and used today by the mollahs have been falsified ,it's a well known fact.

Ibn Arabi did no meet the so called hidden Mahdi.

Ali where is your answer about the students of Ibn Arabi.?

Ibn Arabi was an anti Rafidite.

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Isa Abdallah ,did you read Ibn Arabi?

Be careful ,there are several versions of this book and those copied in Safavid Iran and used today by the mollahs have been falsified ,it's a well known fact.

Ibn Arabi did no meet the so called hidden Mahdi.

Ali where is your answer on the students of Ibn Arabi.?

Ibn Arabi was an anti Rafidite.

(bismillah)

(salam)

Falsified by who and on what grounds?

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Instead of diverting from the subject, why don't you say something of substance if you are going to reply to my post?

Shaykh al-Akbar (ra) loved Shaykhayn and the 'Imma. If you don't accept this as true love, that's on you. Ultimately Allah will be the judge.

Omar Khayyam

It's undeniable that Shaykh al-Akbar (ra) believed in Muhammad bin al-Hasan as the Mahdi.

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Instead of diverting from the subject, why don't you say something of substance if you are going to reply to my post?

Shaykh al-Akbar (ra) loved Shaykhayn and the 'Imma. If you don't accept this as true love, that's on you. Ultimately Allah will be the judge.

(bismillah)

(salam)

You said: "See, it is possible to believe in the 'Immah (alaihim al-salam) and at the same time love Shaykhayn (radia'Llahu anhuma), and believe in the validity of their Khilafa, and in their Justice."

I replied showing how this makes no sense at all, since the latter opposed the former, and I'm diverting from the subject? :wacko:

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(bismillah)

(salam)

You said: "See, it is possible to believe in the 'Immah (alaihim al-salam) and at the same time love Shaykhayn (radia'Llahu anhuma), and believe in the validity of their Khilafa, and in their Justice."

I replied showing how this makes no sense at all, since the latter opposed the former, and I'm diverting from the subject? :wacko:

Because what was mentioned was Ibn Arabi (ra) believing in the 12 Imams including Imam Mahdi, while at the same time loving Shaykhayn. So in simple terms, he was not a Rafidhi (rejector of Shaykhayn). So where does this leave him? It doesn't matter whether you find it logical possible or not to love them all at the same time - It's not a basis for claiming Shaykh Ibn Arabi (ra) was under tuqiyah.

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Isa Abdallah ,did you read Ibn Arabi?

Be careful ,there are several versions of this book and those copied in Safavid Iran and used today by the mollahs have been falsified ,it's a well known fact.

Ibn Arabi did no meet the so called hidden Mahdi.

Look into the works of his students, such as abdulwahhab al sha'rani and Sadr-deen al Qunawi, they assure that their teacher ibn Arabi met with the Imam (as) on numerous occasions, and some even claim that for themselves.

Sadrudeen al-Qunawi is the direct student of 'Ibn Arabi, and was raised by Ibn Arabi himself since Ibn Arabi married his mother after her husband died. One famous qoute from Sadrudeen al Qunawi (taken from his will to his students and followers) :

" áÇ íÞÈáæÇ ßáÇãÇ ãä ÐæÞ ÃÍÏ¡ Çááåã ÅáÇ ãä ÃÏÑß ãäåã ÇáÅãÇã ãÍãÏ ÇáãåÏí ÝáíÈáÛå ÓáÇãí æáíÃÎÐ Úäå ãÇ íÎÈÑå Èå ãä ÇáãÚÇÑÝ áÇ ÛíÑ.."

Do not accept teachings from anyone .. but only those who meet Imam Muhammad al-Mahdi, let them send him my regards and they must take knowledge from him only.

(The translation is quick)

Wasalam

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I don't think it matters that much. Rumi was sufi and yet we use him to advance ourselves spiritually and study him in Hawza. Its a similar situation with Ibn Arabi. Whats important is that you use his teachings to make yourself a better muslim, sect isn't important in this respect.

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Salam, I do not take any of the opinions of Sunni influenced ulema or urafa as important. Sunnis have unfortunately a tendency of making thier sheikhs larger than life.

Examples being,

1. If you read Sunni Islam from the glasses of Sunni history Umer seems holier than Prophet (saw) himself.

2. Aisha, the teenage rebel seems bigger than Khadija and Fatima (sa).

3. Khalid bin Walid seems more valiant and faithful than Jaffar Tayyar (raa).

4. Abdul Qadir Jilani is bigger than Masoom Aimah (sa) in irfan.

5. Abu Hanifa is someone who could see Allah in his dreams.

And so on and so forth...

They are like Hindus who make god out of everything, so any God gifted or a hardworking accomplished person becomes a god himself. Whenever I read these exaggerations of Sunnis, it reminds me of this famous comment of Tijani about how Sunnis mostly appeared to take the shell and ignore the essence, this was while his Sunni companion was so keen to visit the grave of Abu Hanifa and did not know a thing about Imam Musa Al Kadhim (as)..

As far as Ibn Arabi, he was quoted for some of his works by Imam Khomenei in his discussions of irfan but again Imam Khomenei also quoted stuff from Iqbal and Rumi as well which in no way gives any credibility or approval to any one of those ulema.

I personally found Mulla Sadra and Sheikh Amuli more convincing and reflecting the teachings of Prophet and Imam (pbuh). I may not have understood it or gotten to the essence of it a whole lot due to my inability to comprehend original texts of Farsi or Arabic.

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Sheikh Baha'uldeen Al Amili considers him to be a Shia and he talks about why he had some dodgy writings for example praising Abu Bakr and Uthman etc, he said it was due to living in Syria in the time of the Ummayads so he most likely used Taqiyah as his other works in Fotohat Al makkiyah praise Ahlulbayt very highly and he also says Imam Ali(عليه السلام) was the closest person to the Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).A.W and that he was the secret of all Prophets he also agrees that Imam Al Mahdi(A.A.T.F) is Allah's vicegerent on earth and that he's from the line of Sayeda Fatima(عليه السلام) so it's quite a controversial topic. Imam Al Khomeini((رضي الله عنه)), Ayatollah Bahjat((رضي الله عنه)), Allamah Tabatabai((رضي الله عنه)) and all the mystic's of the Hawza respect him and study his books Fusus Al hikam and Fotohat Al Makkiyah and they all agree he made the biggest contribution in the history of Sufism and Islamic Mysticism, but Allamah Tabatabai((رضي الله عنه)) also states in Tafsir Al Mizan:"How could Ibn Arabi be a Shia if he described the likes of Mutawakil and Muawiyah as being good people" so his sect was not very clear, but his work is still something outstanding and his books are studied till this day in the Hawzas. 

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